It's interesting to consider the James City household of Capt Roger Smith as shown on the muster of 1624/5: Capt Roger Smith head Mrs Joan Smith his wife Elizabeth Salter aged 7, arrived on the Seaflower Elizabeth Rolfe aged 4, born in VA Sarah Macock aged 2, born in VA Charles Waller servant, 22, arrived on the Abigail in 1620 Christopher Bankus, servant, 19, arrived on the Abigail in 1622 Henery Booth servant, 20, arrived on the Dutie Henery Lacton servant, 18, arrived on the Hopwell in 1623 So there are three mystery girl children without parents living in this household. Who is Elizabeth Rolfe? If aged 4, she would be born abt 1620, so she can't be a daughter of Pocahontas. Did John Rolfe marry a third time? Who is Elizabeth Salter? Sir Nicholas Salter was a hefty shareholder in the Virginia Company but would this be his daughter, all alone in Virginia? Seems unlikely. And then there's Sarah Macock, who may or may not have been the daughter of Samuel, who like Roger Smith was a member of Council. Roger Smith seems to have taken in all the unprotected children of high social status. Ellen pace3637@nc.rr.com wrote: Just one more point about the Sarah Maycock issue. Pace researchers "assumed" for years that George Pace married the daughter of Saml. Maycock. who would have been a girl of 14 or 15 in 1637 (date?) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

I have been discussing this with a cousin, who has explained to me a possible reason why Richard Pace might have found it necessary to establish who his mother was before she married his father. I daresay many on this list are already familiar with this argument but I am going to explain it anyway for the benefit of those who may not know of it. The purpose of the 1658/9 document is to confirm a sale of land. To do that, Richard Pace has to show that it is his, and show how he came by it. On 1 Aug 1650, George Pace patented 1700 acres "on the south side of the James River commonly called Matocks". It is alleged by some (though not the Lib of VA) that this should read "Macocks". On 12 Oct 1650, George sold part of this land to Thomas Drew. It is this sale which George's son Richard is confirming in 1658/9. On 26 October 1650, Thomas Drew repatented the land in question, and in that patent it is described as "490 acres lying on the north side of the Flower De hundred Creeke bounded north on the land purchased by Mr. Pace, south upon Flower Do hundred Creek". The argument goes, that in 1650 George Pace was patenting land which formerly belonged to Sarah Macock, Samuel's heir. If true, that would lend weight to the theory that his wife was Sarah Macock (whether widow or daughter) when he married her. So where did Samuel Macock or his heir own land? 1. There was "Samuel Macocks divident", where five were killed in the massacre. This is listed in John Smith's account immediately following Flower de Hundred, which adjoined the land that George Pace patented in 1650. 2. In the Minutes of the Council and General Court May 8 1626 it says: "y't is ordered y't Sara Maycock for fower servants brought over in the Abigaill 1622 upon the accompt of Mr. Samuell Maycock shall have two hundred acres of lande to be take upp by her in any place not formerly taken upp." It is not known, at least by me, where she took up this land but it would not be surprising if she chose land adjoining "Samuel Macocks Divident". So it appears that the land George Pace patented, and later sold part of to Thomas Drew, had indeed previously belonged to Sarah Maycock. And if George married her and acquired the land in that way, then when Richard confirmed the sale to Thomas Drew, it might have been important for him to explain in the document of 1650 that (a) his mother was Sarah Maycock and (b) he was "first issue" and her rightful heir. Can't help noticing that Thomas Drew's patent says that George Pace purchased his land. Any comments? Does anyone know of any evidence to support or refute this argument, which I have not mentioned? Ellen gnlgy458 <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 3. Some believe that Bruce Howard's interpretation of the "sonne and heire" document is the correct one, and that Richard's mother must have married a Maycock after the death of George. This makes more sense to me than either of the other theories. When you think of it, there doesn't seem to be any reason why Richard would mention his mother by her maiden name. So I agree with Bruce Howard that the document shows that Richard's mother was "Mrs Sarah Maycock" by the time she died, therefore she must have married again after George died. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Dear Ellen -- Yes, John Rolfe married a third time after his wife Pocahontas died in England, to Jane Pierce, born abt 1587 in England. They had one daughter, Elizabeth, said to be born on 25 Jan 1620/21 in James City County, Va. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "gnlgy458" <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [PACE-L] Was Rev Samuel Macock father of the child Sarah Macock? > It's interesting to consider the James City household of Capt Roger Smith > as shown on the muster of 1624/5: > > Capt Roger Smith head > Mrs Joan Smith his wife > Elizabeth Salter aged 7, arrived on the Seaflower > Elizabeth Rolfe aged 4, born in VA > Sarah Macock aged 2, born in VA > Charles Waller servant, 22, arrived on the Abigail in 1620 > Christopher Bankus, servant, 19, arrived on the Abigail in 1622 > Henery Booth servant, 20, arrived on the Dutie > Henery Lacton servant, 18, arrived on the Hopwell in 1623 > > So there are three mystery girl children without parents living in this > household. > > Who is Elizabeth Rolfe? If aged 4, she would be born abt 1620, so she > can't be a daughter of Pocahontas. Did John Rolfe marry a third time? > > Who is Elizabeth Salter? Sir Nicholas Salter was a hefty shareholder in > the Virginia Company but would this be his daughter, all alone in > Virginia? Seems unlikely. > > And then there's Sarah Macock, who may or may not have been the daughter > of Samuel, who like Roger Smith was a member of Council. > > Roger Smith seems to have taken in all the unprotected children of high > social status. > > Ellen > > pace3637@nc.rr.com wrote: > Just one more point about the Sarah Maycock issue. Pace researchers > "assumed" for years that George Pace married the daughter of Saml. > Maycock. who would have been a girl of 14 or 15 in 1637 (date?) > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace > Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com > >

And just to add to what Roy said, for some European's emigrating, only the local priest might read and write, or read and write in one of the two acceptable languages - latin and english. So when my husband's parents came to Canda from Poland their passports, filled out for them by the village priest, were in latin. When they got to Canada, the customs officer couldn't read them, so he did the best he could. Havarka became Howorko. Believe me no Polish person recognizes the name and those who would guess at ethnicity by name, tend to think it may be Japanese. Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson [mailto:royj@webster.edu] Sent: June 11, 2006 9:01 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Names I sent this but never did see it posted. It didn't come back to me. A difficulty that genealogists who are seeking immigrant ancestors often run into is the problem of name changes when the ancestor enters the US, due to the official writing it down as he hears it, which may not be the actual spelling, particularly for non-English names. We have that in the Pace society with Pees-Pace. It will help in the following anecdote if you know a little German, but I think it will be funny even if you don't. Johann Schmidt was an immigrant from Germany. He had decided to Americanize his name to the English equivalent of John Smith. John Smith is just as hard to remember to a German as Johann Schmidt would be to an American, so he repeated it over and over. Later, a relative coming to visit from Germany finally caught up with him and was surprised to be told that his new name was Sean (pronounced "shawn") Ferguson. "How in the world did you get to be Sean Ferguson-an Irish name?" the friend asked. "It's like this', he said. I practiced and practiced, but when I entered the country, there was this big gruff Irishman taking names. I was so nervous I couldn't think of it. All I could do was mumble "schon vergessen" (already forgot) in German. And that's how I got to be Sean Ferguson." That would give some future researcher nightmares. Roy Johnson ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America for only $25.00 per year.

A T & Leona, You posted this on Johnson list. I saved it and am going thru cleaning up before my computer has another fit. In re-reading it something hit me that I had not connected before. It may be a wild goose chase but  I have a newly married Thomas Johnson (wife, Catherine Nichol) on the 1800 Lower Antietam, Washington Co., MD Census and just above him is what could be a Peter Pace and just above him is Michael Nichol Family  Thomas's father-in -law. IF this is so could Peter Pace  be related to my Johnson's or Nicols? The Nichol family are German Reformed. I do not know Thomas' Religious  preference or his parents. Jo Anne Martin CUZ A. T. <atpowelljr@aol.com> THANKS

I sent this but never did see it posted. It didn't come back to me. A difficulty that genealogists who are seeking immigrant ancestors often run into is the problem of name changes when the ancestor enters the US, due to the official writing it down as he hears it, which may not be the actual spelling, particularly for non-English names. We have that in the Pace society with Pees-Pace. It will help in the following anecdote if you know a little German, but I think it will be funny even if you don't. Johann Schmidt was an immigrant from Germany. He had decided to Americanize his name to the English equivalent of John Smith. John Smith is just as hard to remember to a German as Johann Schmidt would be to an American, so he repeated it over and over. Later, a relative coming to visit from Germany finally caught up with him and was surprised to be told that his new name was Sean (pronounced "shawn") Ferguson. "How in the world did you get to be Sean Ferguson-an Irish name?" the friend asked. "It's like this', he said. I practiced and practiced, but when I entered the country, there was this big gruff Irishman taking names. I was so nervous I couldn't think of it. All I could do was mumble "schon vergessen" (already forgot) in German. And that's how I got to be Sean Ferguson." That would give some future researcher nightmares. Roy Johnson

The Sea Venture is the ship that was wrecked off the coast of Bermuda, the one that is thought to be the basis of "The Tempest". All 150 passengers got to land safely. Then they used the salvage from the Sea Venture supplemented with local timber to build two new ships, the Deliverance and the Patience. These two ships sailed on to Jamestown in 1610, arriving there after the "starving time" to find only 60 survivors. John Proctor was among those who arrived on the Deliverance and the Patience. I don't know his age, but it seems to me the birth date of 1608/09 is probably not correct because if he had been a baby, surely that fact would have been mentioned. Next info: John Proctor is listed in the 1624/5 Muster as Head of Household at Pace's Paines (but there is more than one person listed as Head of Household at Pace's Paines). He has a wife named Allis, who arrived in 1621 on the George. There are four servants in his household. So it does not tell us anything more than we already knew about when Pace's Paines was established or when Richard and Isabella arrived. I suggest that if George Proctor was born in 1647 he probably was not the son of John Proctor and Allis; perhaps he was their grandson. em "Betty A. Pace" <bapace2@juno.com> wrote: Does this finding suggest at all that John the Immigrant Proctor was an indentured servant of Richard Pace I? It does suggest that Pace's Paines had been established as early as 1609/10. Could it be that Richard Pace came over on the same ship? Betty Pace From: "Lois Long Carey" To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:17:55 -0400 Subject: John the Immigrant Proctor arr. in Va 1609/10 Was led to this gentleman while researching a possible connection to Wm H. Pace who married Ada Ann Williamson-12/22/1846 Charles Williamson was surety Charles Williamson married Sarah Ann Spain M.B. A p ril 15, 1847 William H. Pace was surety Sarah Ann Spain was dau. of Nancy T.Spain found a Hartwell Spain b. 2/10/1795 in N.C and a Martha Spain who married a Richard Proctor Richard Proctor was a son of Benjamin Proctor b. abt. 1761 in Brunswick Co. Va and died in Lincoln Co. Tenn. His ancestor was George Proctor b. abt. 1647 in Pace's Paines, Va George was the son of John The Imigrant Proctor and Alice unknown John the Immigrant Proctor was born 25 Feb 1608/09 and arrived in Va in 1609/10 on the SEA VENTURE 4 ( Jamestown, Va) and died in ( settled in Pace's Prairies,Va) He was the son of John Proctor and Unk Gray. Thought this was of interest. posted on the ancestry of Nancy Campbell ______________________________ ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Just one more point about the Sarah Maycock issue. Pace researchers "assumed" for years that George Pace married the daughter of Saml. Maycock. who would have been a girl of 14 or 15 in 1637 (date?) Bruce made the case that Gorge's wife was the widow of Samuel Maycock since the court clerk referred to her as "Mrs." rather than Mistres Sarah Maycock. Here is what I think: If it was the widow of Samuel Maycock that George Pace married, she would have remainded unmarried for about 14 years. How hard is it to believe that a woman at that time in that place would remain unmarried for that length of time! If she returned to England in the interim it is even more difficult to believe.. Of course I can't prove it but I believe: A. That th clerk made a mistake or B. That it was sort of an honorary thing to refer to her (the young Sarah) as a Mrs. As for the "Snowe" issue, I have no idea where that came from. W. James Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Geo. Pace what is his wife Sarah's maiden name Snowe? OR Maycock? To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com > The document mentioned below provides evidence that Richard > Pace's mother at some point in her life was known as Sarah > Maycocke - whether that is her maiden name or a married name is > now a matter of debate. It is my understanding that Mrs. does > not mean "married" during that time period, but is a social title > and can be used by both married and single women based on their > rank in society. I do not have an answer to the question of > Sarah's maiden name and really haven't formed a personal opinion > either way. We just have too little information available at this > point and we need to make sure we evaluate the little evidence > known to us now in the context of what was meant at the time, not > by today's terms, customs, and laws, etc. > I am not aware of any evidence whatsoever that her name was > ever Sarah Snowe. Where is it mentioned in any *document* that > her name was Sarah Snowe? or what documents used together support > that conclusion? Has the Genealogical Proof Standard been used to > draw that conclusion? Or is it an unsubstantiated theory that > made it into print? or published on the internet? It needs to > be remembered that Bruce Howard (or any living person today, for > that matter) is not a *source of evidence* - he was not there (or > Guiness Book of World Records I am sure would like to know), so he > is not a *source*. He (and anyone else) can cite sources that > provide evidence to support a conclusion but a living person today > is not a *source* for events that occurred in the 1600s. Also, > it must be remembered that the *Internet* is not a source. It is > a repository for information - like your library only on a much > larger scale. Just because information can be found on the internet > or in a library or published in any format, doesn't make it true. > My 2 cents. > > If anyone is aware of any *evidence* to support the theory > that Sarah's name at some point was Sarah Snowe, I am very > interested in learning of it. > > Rebecca > > Kathlynn3@aol.com wrote: > According to the convoluted information I have: > > George Pace [s.o. Richard 1 & Isabella Smythe] m: Sarah > Snowe...their > children were: Richard, Elizabeth and John. After George died > Sarah Snowe m: 2nd > _____? Maycock. This is based on the following: > > Per Bruce Howard: The primary document that has led many > researchers to > believe that George's wife was Sarah Maycock was one dated April > 25, 1659, when George's oldest son, Richard, confirms a sale of > land to Thomas Drewe. Richard stated that "I Ric'd Pace Sonne and > heire apparent of mr. George Pace of the Com: of Charles Citty att > Mount Mar. in VA, and sonn and heire as the first issue of my > mother Mrs. Sarah Macocke wife unto my aforesd father (being both > dec'd) do hereby by these presents...confirme and allow of the > sale of eight or nine hundred acres of land... sold by my dec'd > father mr. George pace unto mr. Thomas Drewe." Mr. Howard points > out that Richard is telling us that his mother has a second issue > of children, he being of the first issue. He doesn't say the first > issue of his father because his father died before his mother. In > the same breathe he says "Mrs. Sarah Macocke." He does not say "my > mother known before marriage as Sarah Maycock" or "my mother > formerly Sara Maycock daughter of Samuel."based on statement of > George's son > Richard. > > Questions > 1. What is the first name of Mr. Maycock? > 2 Who are the children of Sarah Snowe [aka Mrs Sarah Maycock] and > her 2nd husband Mr Maycock? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated....corrections/opinions > requested? > ~Kathlynn~ > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by > going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions > just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at > http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace

Hi Kathlynn, I also puzzle over this question. I'm not sure that I completely understand all the arguments which are put forward in support of the various theories, but for what it's worth, here's how I think it goes: 1. Some believe that Richard was referring to his mother by her maiden name and that "Mrs Sarah Maycock" was the same person as the child "Sarah Maycock" listed in the 1624/5 muster as two years old, born in VA. This child may or may not have been related to Samuel Maycock who was killed in the massacre. 2. Some believe that Richard was referring to his mother by her maiden name and think that "Mrs Sarah Maycock" was the widow of Samuel Maycock who was killed in the massacre. Samuel Maycock's widow does not appear among those listed in the 1624/5 Muster, and her given name is not known. As I understand it, there is a document dated 1626 which mentions "Mrs Samuel Maycock", but unfortunately does not reveal her given name. I think the argument goes that IF the child Sarah Maycock was a daughter of Samuel Maycock, then she might have been named after her mother, so her mother might have been called Sarah also. Too many "IFs" for me. 3. Some believe that Bruce Howard's interpretation of the "sonne and heire" document is the correct one, and that Richard's mother must have married a Maycock after the death of George. This makes more sense to me than either of the other theories. When you think of it, there doesn't seem to be any reason why Richard would mention his mother by her maiden name. So I agree with Bruce Howard that the document shows that Richard's mother was "Mrs Sarah Maycock" by the time she died, therefore she must have married again after George died. Mr Howard also argues that Mrs Sarah Maycock's maiden name was Snowe but there he loses me. I haven't seen any persuasive evidence as to what her maiden name might have been. Obviously this is a question that all of us who might be descended from Richard and Isabella would really like to see answered. But there are so many gaps in our knowledge of who was there, and how they might have been related. We can't assume that the Maycocks we know about, and the Sarahs we know about, were the only ones who were there. We can't just choose the Sarah that seems to fit the best and assume she was the right one. That's my take on it. I'd be interested to hear what others believe, even though I agree that "Unknown" is the only answer we can at present be sure of. Ellen Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Does this finding suggest at all that John the Immigrant Proctor was an indentured servant of Richard Pace I? It does suggest that Pace's Paines had been established as early as 1609/10. Could it be that Richard Pace came over on the same ship? Betty Pace From: "Lois Long Carey" <lcarey@bcpl.net> To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:17:55 -0400 Subject: John the Immigrant Proctor arr. in Va 1609/10 Was led to this gentleman while researching a possible connection to Wm H. Pace who married Ada Ann Williamson-12/22/1846 Charles Williamson was surety Charles Williamson married Sarah Ann Spain M.B. A p ril 15, 1847 William H. Pace was surety Sarah Ann Spain was dau. of Nancy T.Spain found a Hartwell Spain b. 2/10/1795 in N.C and a Martha Spain who married a Richard Proctor Richard Proctor was a son of Benjamin Proctor b. abt. 1761 in Brunswick Co. Va and died in Lincoln Co. Tenn. His ancestor was George Proctor b. abt. 1647 in Pace's Paines, Va George was the son of John The Imigrant Proctor and Alice unknown John the Immigrant Proctor was born 25 Feb 1608/09 and arrived in Va in 1609/10 on the SEA VENTURE 4 ( Jamestown, Va) and died in ( settled in Pace's Prairies,Va) He was the son of John Proctor and Unk Gray. Thought this was of interest. posted on the ancestry of Nancy Campbell ______________________________

The document mentioned below provides evidence that Richard Pace's mother at some point in her life was known as Sarah Maycocke - whether that is her maiden name or a married name is now a matter of debate. It is my understanding that Mrs. does not mean "married" during that time period, but is a social title and can be used by both married and single women based on their rank in society. I do not have an answer to the question of Sarah's maiden name and really haven't formed a personal opinion either way. We just have too little information available at this point and we need to make sure we evaluate the little evidence known to us now in the context of what was meant at the time, not by today's terms, customs, and laws, etc. I am not aware of any evidence whatsoever that her name was ever Sarah Snowe. Where is it mentioned in any *document* that her name was Sarah Snowe? or what documents used together support that conclusion? Has the Genealogical Proof Standard been used to draw that conclusion? Or is it an unsubstantiated theory that made it into print? or published on the internet? It needs to be remembered that Bruce Howard (or any living person today, for that matter) is not a *source of evidence* - he was not there (or Guiness Book of World Records I am sure would like to know), so he is not a *source*. He (and anyone else) can cite sources that provide evidence to support a conclusion but a living person today is not a *source* for events that occurred in the 1600s. Also, it must be remembered that the *Internet* is not a source. It is a repository for information - like your library only on a much larger scale. Just because information can be found on the internet or in a library or published in any format, doesn't make it true. My 2 cents. If anyone is aware of any *evidence* to support the theory that Sarah's name at some point was Sarah Snowe, I am very interested in learning of it. Rebecca Kathlynn3@aol.com wrote: According to the convoluted information I have: George Pace [s.o. Richard 1 & Isabella Smythe] m: Sarah Snowe...their children were: Richard, Elizabeth and John. After George died Sarah Snowe m: 2nd _____? Maycock. This is based on the following: Per Bruce Howard: The primary document that has led many researchers to believe that George's wife was Sarah Maycock was one dated April 25, 1659, when George's oldest son, Richard, confirms a sale of land to Thomas Drewe. Richard stated that "I Ric'd Pace Sonne and heire apparent of mr. George Pace of the Com: of Charles Citty att Mount Mar. in VA, and sonn and heire as the first issue of my mother Mrs. Sarah Macocke wife unto my aforesd father (being both dec'd) do hereby by these presents...confirme and allow of the sale of eight or nine hundred acres of land... sold by my dec'd father mr. George pace unto mr. Thomas Drewe." Mr. Howard points out that Richard is telling us that his mother has a second issue of children, he being of the first issue. He doesn't say the first issue of his father because his father died before his mother. In the same breathe he says "Mrs. Sarah Macocke." He does not say "my mother known before marriage as Sarah Maycock" or "my mother formerly Sara Maycock daughter of Samuel."based on statement of George's son Richard. Questions 1. What is the first name of Mr. Maycock? 2 Who are the children of Sarah Snowe [aka Mrs Sarah Maycock] and her 2nd husband Mr Maycock? Any help will be greatly appreciated....corrections/opinions requested? ~Kathlynn~ ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net

Kathlynn3: If I were you I would go back and reread what Bruce wrote. I quote page 24 starting on line 16. "I am going to take up the matter of Sarah Maycock and then her father, AND THEN THE MOST PROBABLE PERSON WHO BECAME GEORGES WIFE." Later on the next page (25) COULD SARAH SNOWE HAVE BEEN A POSSIBILITY? Bruces opinion was that she was a possibility. No documentation (hard evidence) is offered. We do know that there was a Sarah Maycock, daughter of Samuel, who died in the Massacure. We know that a Sarah Maycock was granted land for persons who passage was paid for, most likely by her father. Would a child be offered a patent or would her guardians gain the patent to hold for her? We know that Richard named his mother Sarah Maycock. Could it have been Little Sarah's mother, she would be of age to receive land. Little Sarah was age 2. If so why was Mrs. Maycock not listed in the list of the living? Did the lady who George married become a Maycock from a earlier marriage? My belief is that before you cast your story in stone you might want to question statements that are not fully documented. Logic does not always lead to the proper answers. The answer to your question is --no one knows-- Bruce believes that Elizabeth and John were sibling of Richard. See Elizabeth page 42. Not conclusive, was she a Pace or Baker? If Richard had siblings was Baker their guardian? The searcch goes on!! Jack Pace / Wmsburg, Va.. On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:53:27 EDT Kathlynn3@aol.com writes: > According to the convoluted information I have: > > George Pace [s.o. Richard 1 & Isabella Smythe] m: Sarah > Snowe...their > children were: Richard, Elizabeth and John. After George died Sarah > Snowe m: 2nd > _____? Maycock. This is based on the following: > > Per Bruce Howard: The primary document that has led many researchers > to > believe that George's wife was Sarah Maycock was one dated April 25, > 1659, when > George's oldest son, Richard, confirms a sale of land to Thomas > Drewe. > Richard stated that "I Ric'd Pace Sonne and heire apparent of mr. > George Pace of > the Com: of Charles Citty att Mount Mar. in VA, and sonn and heire > as the first > issue of my mother Mrs. Sarah Macocke wife unto my aforesd father > (being both > dec'd) do hereby by these presents...confirme and allow of the sale > of eight > or nine hundred acres of land... sold by my dec'd father mr. George > pace > unto mr. Thomas Drewe." Mr. Howard points out that Richard is > telling us that > his mother has a second issue of children, he being of the first > issue. He > doesn't say the first issue of his father because his father died > before his > mother. In the same breathe he says "Mrs. Sarah Macocke." He does > not say "my > mother known before marriage as Sarah Maycock" or "my mother > formerly Sara > Maycock daughter of Samuel."based on statement of George's son > Richard. > > Questions > 1. What is the first name of Mr. Maycock? > 2 Who are the children of Sarah Snowe [aka Mrs Sarah Maycock] and > her 2nd > husband Mr Maycock? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated....corrections/opinions > requested? > > ~Kathlynn~ > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going > to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask > me - gordonpace@comcast.net > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

According to the convoluted information I have: George Pace [s.o. Richard 1 & Isabella Smythe] m: Sarah Snowe...their children were: Richard, Elizabeth and John. After George died Sarah Snowe m: 2nd _____? Maycock. This is based on the following: Per Bruce Howard: The primary document that has led many researchers to believe that George's wife was Sarah Maycock was one dated April 25, 1659, when George's oldest son, Richard, confirms a sale of land to Thomas Drewe. Richard stated that "I Ric'd Pace Sonne and heire apparent of mr. George Pace of the Com: of Charles Citty att Mount Mar. in VA, and sonn and heire as the first issue of my mother Mrs. Sarah Macocke wife unto my aforesd father (being both dec'd) do hereby by these presents...confirme and allow of the sale of eight or nine hundred acres of land... sold by my dec'd father mr. George pace unto mr. Thomas Drewe." Mr. Howard points out that Richard is telling us that his mother has a second issue of children, he being of the first issue. He doesn't say the first issue of his father because his father died before his mother. In the same breathe he says "Mrs. Sarah Macocke." He does not say "my mother known before marriage as Sarah Maycock" or "my mother formerly Sara Maycock daughter of Samuel."based on statement of George's son Richard. Questions 1. What is the first name of Mr. Maycock? 2 Who are the children of Sarah Snowe [aka Mrs Sarah Maycock] and her 2nd husband Mr Maycock? Any help will be greatly appreciated....corrections/opinions requested? ~Kathlynn~

was led to this gentleman while researching a possible connection to Wm H. Pace who married Ada Ann Williamson-12/22/1846 Charles Williamson was surety Charles Williamson married Sarah Ann Spain M.B. A p ril 15, 1847 William H. Pace was surety Sarah Ann Spain was dau. of Nancy T.Spain found a Hartwell Spain b. 2/10/1795 in N.C and a Martha Spain who married a Richard Proctor Richard Proctor was a son of Benjamin Proctor b. abt. 1761 in Brunswick Co. Va and died in Lincoln Co. Tenn. His ancestor was George Proctor b. abt. 1647 in Pace's Paines, Va George was the son of John The Imigrant Proctor and Alice unknown John the Immigrant Proctor was born 25 Feb 1608/09 and arrived in Va in 1609/10 on the SEA VENTURE 4 ( Jamestown, Va) and died in ( settled in Pace's Prairies,Va) He was the son of John Proctor and Unk Gray. Thought this was of interest. posted on the ancestry of Nancy Campbell

Would appreciate it. Send to paceshire@juno.com or paceshire@msn.com. Hope you and yours are having a great summer. Hows everything in Salem? Thanks. Jack Pace / Wmsburg Va. On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:40:51 -0500 "alyce" <alyce@fidnet.com> writes: > I believe I have found a picture of Wesley Allen Pace and his wife. > Jack Pace do you want me to send a copy. Alyce Sigite/Salem > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at > http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace > >

I believe I have found a picture of Wesley Allen Pace and his wife. Jack Pace do you want me to send a copy. Alyce Sigite/Salem

This John Pace should be brother of William, Line should go !-John of Midd, 2- John Jr, & Elizabeth Montague, their children 1-William & Susanna West 2- John III and Catherine Unknown, Mary, Abraham who died abt same as father in 1734. John and Catherine had two sons 1- Newsome married Lucy, 2- John. You need to determine if the John Pace you have is the father or the son. With dates it's hard to determine which. Jack Pace / Wmburg,Va. On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:26:20 -0400 "Lois Long Carey" <lcarey@bcpl.net> writes: > while looking for a John Anderson who was surety > for the marriage of John Pace and Elizabeth P. > ( possibly smith or Swift) I came upon this:: > > Nottoway County Court Order Book 7 , page 194 > > It is decreed and ordered that Nathaniel Niblett, > Abraham Buford, JOHN PACE, and Samuel Morgan > of any three of them who are hereby named and > appointed Commissioners ------- > > Who was this John Pace??? > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse > Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this > URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

while looking for a John Anderson who was surety for the marriage of John Pace and Elizabeth P. ( possibly smith or Swift) I came upon this:: Nottoway County Court Order Book 7 , page 194 It is decreed and ordered that Nathaniel Niblett, Abraham Buford, JOHN PACE, and Samuel Morgan of any three of them who are hereby named and appointed Commissioners ------- Who was this John Pace???

The first Goochland deed that I have on record for Joseph was when he purcased 130 acres 22, Sept. 1739. Other records show that land including Pace Middlesex land was sold 04, Feb. 1736. Which would indicate that Pace Middlesex land was sold before that date and Joseph and family must have gone to Goochland about 1736.. So where was Joseph and family between 1736 and 1739? I have recently reviewed a deed-- Va. Wills & Deeds 1737-1734 Goochland Book 3-pages 49-50 dated 16, Aug. 1737 where Jonas Lawson to John Bostick, 15 pounds for 200 acres witnessed by Joseph Pace and others. Recorded 16, Aug. 1737. This places Joseph in Goochland 2 years before the 130 acre purchase. I have never found a deed where the Pace Middlesex property was sold, but i suspect it was sold to neighbors (Mosley) about 1736. Jack Pace / Williamsburg, Va.

Roy, Darren and others: Darren's DNA test represents the fourth separate line of descent from Richard Pace and Sarah Woodliefe, namely their son Francis Pace m. Ann Biggins. The other sons (whose test results match) are George Pace and Patience Howell, John Pace and Sarah Burgh and Richard Pace b. 1713 and Elizabeth. There could be a paternity error for Francis Pace or for any of his male descendants. It would be very helpful to have another DNA test from any of Francis's sons, namely John Pace m Ann Russell, Stephen Pace m. Elizabeth Hobbs or Bignal Pace m. Elizabeth Chieves. Does anyone out there have this ancestry? Gordon W. Pace Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >Sent: May 21, 2006 5:33 PM >To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACE-L] Puzzling DNA resulst > >DNA results are in for Darren Pace, who submits the lineage at the end >of this document. Sorry about the format but I think it is legible. > >The puzzling thing is that Darren does not match any other Paces in the >database. I have not uploaded the results yet, as I am in the country >300 miles from my home, and the upload is very slow from my modem >connection here. Since the results are a complete non-match (6 or 7 >alleles different out of 25, some by a genetic distance of 2), it is >less important to post it now. > >What is important is to help Darren sort out the mystery, and perhaps >some of you may help. Maybe you know something about this purported >lineage. Can anyone spot a glitch? It obviously cannot be correct. > >I have been saying that a mismatch could be due to three things-unknown >Pace line, unreported adoption, or illegitimacy. But I forgot a fourth >thing: A name change, such as Pass-Pace, Pees-Pace, or several of the >spellings that I encountered in England which may or may not be related >to our Pace name: Paise, Payce, Paice, etc. > >I don't know if Darren monitors this list, so please copy to him at >darren@paceroots.com > > > >Roy Johnson >DNA coordinator > > 0. Doner >* 1. Father >* 2. Grandfather >* 3. JOHN ASHLY PACE b Oct 1861 Fannin Co. TX d Abt. 1921/22 >Lamar >or Fannin Co. TX > + GEORGIE MAE SCALES (sources for John and Georgie are verbal >information from living individuals, including my father, grandmother, >and great aunt. >Some of my family still residing in Fannin/Grayson/Lamar county have >most of the documented sources from the court houses in those counties. >I have received most of my information from them via emails; 1870, 1900, >1910, 1920, and 1930 census records) >* 4. ASHLEY L. PACE b 12 Dec 1834 AR d 7 Feb 1863 Grayson >Co. TX; >(sames sources as above; 1860 census record) > + ARAMINTA DAVIS m. 20 Dec 1860 Fannin Co. TX (2nd Wife, mother of >John >Ashly) >* 5. TWITTY PACE b 29 Dec 1789 Greenville Co., SC d 11 Feb >1849 >Fannin Co., TX > + SUSANNAH DUNCAN m. 19 Apr 1810 Warren Co., Kentucky (Twitty Pace >Bible, owned by Bland and Simeon Smith of Bonham, TX... published in the >Fannin County Folks and Facts book (Bonham Public Library - 1977) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >---- >------------------------------------- > All below information is from OUR COLONIAL ANCESTORS by >Bruce Howard and/or The Pace Network, Pace Forums, and mailing list >archives. >* 6. JOHN PACE b 1748 Prince George County, VA d 1825 >Greenville >County, SC > + ANN RUSSELL >* 7. FRANCIS PACE b abt 1718 Prince George Co., VA d Aft. >1791 > + ANN UNK >* 8. RICHARD PACE, b abt 1690 VA > + SARAH WOODLIEF >* 9. JAMES PACE b abt 1666 VA > + ELIZABETH LOWE >* 10. RICHARD PACE, b abt 1636 VA d Abt. 1677 - 1678 > + MARY (BAKER?) m. Abt. 1660 Merchants Hope > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== >Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com