Here is a little more. Gracie Ann Walters was born to Jacob and Rebecca Brooks Walters (m: April 11, 1807 - DSIGI, Batch 7810201, Sheet 40) I think that Rebecca Brooks mother was a Locke. Jacob was born Sept. 25, 1848 near Hodgenville, Kentucky and Rebecca Brooks was born in 1786, they married on Jan. 14, 1836 in Hardin County Kentucky. Jacob and Rebecca's children were: Margaret Walters - married Barrett Pace Hardin Brooks Walters - married Mary Rana Locke Mary J. Walters married William Shaw Jacob Warren Walters married Lydia Funk in McCracken County KY (Notice the "Warren" in this name? I've come across that in reference to the Pace family before.) Jacob Walters is buried at the Walter's Cemetery near Prewitt's (sp?) Knob, on the Oscar Logsdon Farm near Glasgow Kentucky. Jacob and Rebecca Brooks Walter were married on April 11, 1807, by an A. McDougal and the surety was placed by "Coonrod" (love that spelling) Walters. I have another Conrad Walters Jr. (Hardin County Marriage BooK), who got marriage consent from Guardian George Helm (who also posted surety), to marry Peggy Larue on Sept. 11, 1804 Now to Gracie Ann. She was born c. 1815, and died March 11, 1876. I once corresponded with a gentleman who was a Walters descendent and had a considerable cache of genealogical information for that line. I can also tell you that the families of Walters, Locke, and Brook(s) were very intertwined. If anyone is interested I do have some more information on those families. Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 -----Original Message----- From: Janie H. Pace [mailto:jhpacerd@charter.net] Sent: June 18, 2006 11:11 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE-L] David Foster Pace and Grace Walters My husband Ronnie Pace is a descendant of David Foster Pace and Grace Ann Walters, born 1815 in KY and died 11 Mar 1876 in Warren Co, KY Grace Ann Walters' parents were: Jacob Walters born 25 Sep 1783 in Jefferson Co, KY and died 15 Oct 1848 in Barren Co, KY. He married Rebecca Ruth Brooks 11 Apr 1807 in Hardin Co, KY. She was born 1786 in Wythe Co, VA. Jacob Walters parents were: Conrad Walters born 15 Feb 1755 in Pennsylvania, and died 19 Feb 1831 in Hodgenville, KY. He married Grace Wildman Oct 1779. She was born 30 Jan 1760 in Pennsylvania. Conrad Walters parents were: Conrad Walters born 12 Mar 1712 in Nordheim, Germany and died 08 May 1792 in Nelson Co, Ky. He married Nancy Redman in Germany. She was born 1716 in Germany. Conrad Walters was buried 08 May 1792 in Philip Fort, LaRue, KY. Emigration: 25 Sep 1732, arrived on the ship Loyal Jedeth, of London, Robert Turppin, Master from Rotterdam. Doesn't seem to be a connection to your information. Let me know if you'd like more information and sources. Hope to see you at the Pace reunion next week! Janie and Ronnie Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Long Carey" <lcarey@bcpl.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:24 AM Subject: [PACE-L] David Foster Pace and Grace Walters > on 1860 census for Hardin, Kentucky is a > Rebecca Walters , age 74. > Would she be the mother of grace Walters > > Is there any connection to the following? > > Thomas Walter b. South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland > married, April 14, 1733 > Lucy Clement Walker-died in Pittsylvania Co.Va > > Their children were: > John Walters > Robert > ARcher > Obediah > William > Wilmoth > scott > Agatha > Lucy Walker Walters > Margaret > Abraham > Thomas > > found on Ancestry.com > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list > (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, > reply to sender. ==== PACE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word message: subscribe OR unsubscribe For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com

There are references to one Barnabas Pace in Wilkes/Lincoln Co GA records. I think in the late 1700's and early 1800's. betty in ga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce" <joy_harr@swbell.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [PACE-L] Thomas Pace, early GA (who is this one?) > Could someone enlighten as to which Thomas Pace this would be in these > Georgia land references below? It looks like he would have been Thomas > the > son of Richard IV and Elizabeth Cain; however, the "Barnabas Pace Letter" > says that Thomas "never married" and engaged to marry the widow of Col. > Leroy Hammond when he died on the eve of marriage. > > > > Reference: Georgia Pioneers (magazine), Vol. 6, Aug.1969, No. 3, p 194 > > Heading, "Petitions for Land - Augusta Area, 1744-1773 > > > > "PACE, Thomas > > Jan 1767 Wf, 3 ch., 3 negroes, prays for 200 a. on Kioka Cr., near the > Hunting Path." > > [jhh note: this Thomas had a wife and three children by 1767] > > > > At the same time, January 1767, LeRoy Hammond also petitioned for land. > Assume this is the same Leroy Hammond whose widow (one) Thomas Pace was > about to marry later, according to "The B.P. Letter." > > > > "HAMMOND, Leroy > > Wf., child, 7 negroes, pet. for 250 a. on br. of Uchee Cr., at place > called > Locust Hill, and an add. 250 a. to include 3 small islands (31 a.), orig. > ordered to Wm. Shields, dec'd." > > > > Another reference, assuming the same Thomas but not positive., from: > > Marion R. Hemperley, Surveyor General Department, State of Georgia, Book: > English Crown Grants in St. Paul Parish in Georgia 1755-1775 (State > Printing Office, Atlanta, 1974), p 146 > > > > "Pace, Thomas > > 200 acres, St. Paul Parish > > Granted May 2, 1769 Grant Book G, page 319" > > > > Am assuming that this grant to was to Thomas the son of Richard IV and > Elizabeth Cain, since it was about the same time as Knowles Pace's grant, > and in the same vicinity as Richard Pace's. Could it be that the Barnabas > Pace who wrote "The Letter" was mistaken about the early marital status of > his relative? Or, is this a completely different Thomas Pace and if so, > then who was he? > > > > Thanks for any insight anyone can offer. I have a fair amount of info on > various Thomas Pace(s) in various counties in early GA but have lack some > confidence about their identities. > > - Joyce Harris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. > Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: > http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out! > > >

Yes, she is. This is my line. David Foster Pace, Schuyler Pace, William Thomas Pace, Walker Elgin Pace, William James Shannon Pace - me! Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 -----Original Message----- From: Lois Long Carey [mailto:lcarey@bcpl.net] Sent: June 18, 2006 6:25 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] David Foster Pace and Grace Walters on 1860 census for Hardin, Kentucky is a Rebecca Walters , age 74. Would she be the mother of grace Walters Is there any connection to the following? Thomas Walter b. South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland married, April 14, 1733 Lucy Clement Walker-died in Pittsylvania Co.Va Their children were: John Walters Robert ARcher Obediah William Wilmoth scott Agatha Lucy Walker Walters Margaret Abraham Thomas found on Ancestry.com ==== PACE Mailing List ==== To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, reply to sender.

I was told the muster list for living, dead, etc., could be found on Jamestowne Society site. However, I can not find them! Would someone please copy/paste & send them to me....also if VA Musters 1623/24 & 1624/25 are different include them also....would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ~Kathlynn~

Why is the word which is clearly written as "Matocks" in the original 1650 land document (with George Pace) consistently referred to as Maycox or Maycocks? (The image of the original writing is viewable online through the Library of Virginia's digitized documents and there can be little question as to its spelling as in the handwriting of the clerk, especially after comparing the formation of letters in nearby words.) By the way, there is reference to another Virginia plantation called Matocks, quotation from the Library of Congress site: "Matocks or Mattoax was a Tucker plantation in Chesterfield Co. [VA]..." And, from a Rootsweb site, slightly different spelling, same property: "Frances Bland was a sixteen-year-old beauty in 1769, when she married John Randolph....They lived at Matoax, his plantation in Chesterfield County ... on Appomattox River...The grave of Frances Bland Randolph Tucker is located in the Randolph family cemetery at Matoax, the farm where she lived with her first husband, John Randolph. She was buried beside him there. As a young widow with small children, she married St. George Tucker and continued to live at Matoax with him. So it was only natural that she be buried there in the family cemetery...on the Randolph Farm property of Virginia State University...it belongs to the Commonwealth of Virginia." "Matock" is also a word referring to a kind of axe. Finally, there are the English surnames Matocks and Mattocks on record. So, is it possible that the clerk in 1650 wrote the document exactly as it was supposed to be? Or, are there enough verifiable instances in other records to confirm the "real" name of this property as Maycocks rather than Matocks? - Joyce Harris

Today at Church an older lady asked me how I was doing. I told her, "Not to good, I guess you heard I lost my entire family last week." She grabbed her heart and sat down hard. She was so sorry to hear that and was terribly upset. She didn't know what to do to help me with my lost. She told me how much she had loved my wife. She said she thought my wife's heart was doing better after the "episode" she had the previous year. At that moment my wife came in. No, I said. My wife is fine. My computer, both hard drives crashed. Total lost. No back ups. 180,000 names. Gone. 18 years of Genealogy lost. My entire family gone. She, like Queen Victoria, was not amused. Jeff Bailey, from that Pace line which doesn't go back to Jamestown but has something to do with Middlesex County. I had it once. Remember to backup to disk your Genealogy. Two hard drives are not safe.

Maybe I've asked this before, but since this Pace is found relatively early in the records, will ask again: Who is the father of the Edward Pace whose land is mentioned as adjoining that of Thomas Todd in a 1665 land record, Elizabeth City County, Virginia? The original record image can be seen through the Library of Virginia's online archives by searching within their catalog, Land Office Patents and Grants. Of course, entering the search term" Pace" will bring up the early Pace land records, including the Richards and Georges and Isabella Perry, etc. Anyone with a .tif viewer can look at the original writing rather than transcriptions. This particular record for Thomas Todd ("Edward Paces land" mentioned within) is clear and extremely easy to read at 100% or 125% enlargement. Here is the URL for basic searches within Land Office Patents and Grants. Be sure to choose the dropdown, "Words Anywhere" in the box, "Fields to Search" when entering the word Pace in order to capture all instances of their appearance: http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/D4A44DGPUQK26XF3SQ26BRA6TF6F1JIEBHH2IVIS8TEAC3Q1 SX-01692?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30 Here is the URL for the LVA home page: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/ - Joyce Harris

Currently, I think we all have concluded that we do not know if Richard's mother Sarah Maycock is the widow of Samuel Maycock OR his daughter....right? However, according to my knowledge, the following details regarding these same documents have not been addressed. I understand most of you already have these documents, my purpose for including them again is just in case someone new later finds them in the archives they will know what/who we are talking about. Re: 1. April 25, 1659: "I Ric'd Pace Sonne and heire apparent of mr. George Pace of the Com: of Charles Citty att Mount Mar. in VA, and sonn and heire as the first issue of my mother Mrs. Sarah Macocke wife unto my aforesd father (being both dec'd) do hereby by these presents...confirme and allow of the sale of eight or nine hundred acres of land... sold by my dec'd father mr. George pace unto mr. Thomas Drewe." [from Bruce Howards book]. 2. And also this one that reads a little differently and has no date that the transaction took place: "There is a deed in the Charles City Co., records by which "Richard Pace, son and heire as the first issue of my mother, Mrs. Sarah Maycock, wife unto my aforesaid father, both deced", confirms a sale of 800 or 900 acres "lying near unto Pierce's Hundred als Flowerdieu Hundred" to Mr. Thomas Drew as per of his father Oct. 12, 1650. [from Sarah Maycock Brewer] Questions: 1. Richard is son & heir of 1st issue.......then who did Sarah marry after George Pace died and who were the 2nd issue of children? [Customarily "first issue" would mean another marriage that produced other children...right?] 2. Or in this case could "first issue" simple mean Richard was the oldest son and heir apparent? 3. When did George and Sarah die? [Evidenty they were both dead by 1659]. I have an undocumented claim that George died 1665 but apparently that can not be correct? ~Kathlynn~

Could someone enlighten as to which Thomas Pace this would be in these Georgia land references below? It looks like he would have been Thomas the son of Richard IV and Elizabeth Cain; however, the "Barnabas Pace Letter" says that Thomas "never married" and engaged to marry the widow of Col. Leroy Hammond when he died on the eve of marriage. Reference: Georgia Pioneers (magazine), Vol. 6, Aug.1969, No. 3, p 194 Heading, "Petitions for Land - Augusta Area, 1744-1773 "PACE, Thomas Jan 1767 Wf, 3 ch., 3 negroes, prays for 200 a. on Kioka Cr., near the Hunting Path." [jhh note: this Thomas had a wife and three children by 1767] At the same time, January 1767, LeRoy Hammond also petitioned for land. Assume this is the same Leroy Hammond whose widow (one) Thomas Pace was about to marry later, according to "The B.P. Letter." "HAMMOND, Leroy Wf., child, 7 negroes, pet. for 250 a. on br. of Uchee Cr., at place called Locust Hill, and an add. 250 a. to include 3 small islands (31 a.), orig. ordered to Wm. Shields, dec'd." Another reference, assuming the same Thomas but not positive., from: Marion R. Hemperley, Surveyor General Department, State of Georgia, Book: English Crown Grants in St. Paul Parish in Georgia 1755-1775 (State Printing Office, Atlanta, 1974), p 146 "Pace, Thomas 200 acres, St. Paul Parish Granted May 2, 1769 Grant Book G, page 319" Am assuming that this grant to was to Thomas the son of Richard IV and Elizabeth Cain, since it was about the same time as Knowles Pace's grant, and in the same vicinity as Richard Pace's. Could it be that the Barnabas Pace who wrote "The Letter" was mistaken about the early marital status of his relative? Or, is this a completely different Thomas Pace and if so, then who was he? Thanks for any insight anyone can offer. I have a fair amount of info on various Thomas Pace(s) in various counties in early GA but have lack some confidence about their identities. - Joyce Harris

What a really lovely and thought provoking message to all of us on Father's Day. Our Ancestors, Fathers of us All, our Forbears and through them, we are related... I too have stood before a Grace Grave and thought of Them. I remember a day some years ago when we attended a Pace Reunion in Columbia, SC and went to the M.E. Pace General Store in Saluda, S.C. and then to the Pace Graveyard on top of a Mountain. It was quite a climb from the Bus that took us, but standing on the hilltop and looking out over the Graves and the Mountains in the distance, I felt such a strong kinship to all of the Pace's, whether closely related, or not closely related at all, but such a strong feeling of family love and kinship and continuity.. Thank you for giving us that message on Father's Day. Your cousin, closely or distantly related, but cousins all the same. Thank You again, Betty Morgan BetinFL@aol.com

From: Kathlynn3@aol.com [mailto:Kathlynn3@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:13 AM To: jim@williamson-clan.com Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Re:Jamestown Massacre: What year did it occur? Hi Jim, thanks for your input....this is so complicated it's beginning to get funny. I thought I had this all figured out perfectly, now I'm not sure! I'm having a little trouble with your statement "However, if the massacre were March 22nd, 1622 on the Julian calendar, then the year 1623 started a mere 3 days later. My problem is due to the fact that the document has the massacre occurred March 22, 1621 [per Julian] = March 22, 1622 [per Gregorian]. Tell me how I am mis-reading this? Isn't it funny how we each use a different mathematical formula........mine seems to be more complicated. Now isn't that the usual for female way versus male way???? LOL! Here is the explanation that I have put in their notes section: [Jim maximize email screen and hopefully it will put it back in proper format...I don't know why it tends to shuffle out of format when the screen is smaller?] Facts to Remember when discerning Samuel's death date and his Daughter Sarah's born date: 1. The Old Julian Calendar dates were used during this time frame when the year began on March 25 and continued to March 25 of the following year......until the current January to January began in 1752 when the Gregorian Calendar was adopted. 2. Volume year dates such as March 5, 1623/24 offer both the Old Julian year date and the New Gregorian year date. 3. A child born anytime during January 1621 up to March 25, 1622 would be only be a few months older than a child born on or after March 25, 1622 [not a year + months}. Another example: A child born March 24, 1621 would be only 1 day older than one born 25 March 1622. 4. March 22, 1621 or March 22, 1621/22 is the correct date that the massacre occured and the date that should be used for the ones that were killed in the massacre in order to make other documents fit....example father Samuel Maycock's death date and daughter Sarah at age 2 on 1624/25 muster = Samuel died March 22, 1621 aka March 22, 1621/22 [three days later, on March 25, the new 1622 Julian year began aka 1622/23] = Sarah born 1622/23. Or another correct way to enter the born date, for genealogy programs like my FTM program that will not allow the entry of only the year double dates: Sarah born Aft. March 25, 1622/23 OR bet. March 25, 1622 - March 24, 1623. And that fits with the 1624/25 Muster document showing Sarah at age 2. However, you DO derive with the same born date for Sarah when only the Massacre date March 22, 1622 is used when trying to discern Sarah's born date which is the current Gregorian calendar date that is found on most web sites and published books = 1624/25 muster date minus her age 2 = born 1622/23. But to reiterate: Unless you keep the fact in mind that there is only three days [not a year] between March 22, 1621 and March 25, 1622 it does make one instantly think that Sarah can not possible be the daughter of Samuel when you see a claim that has Sarah was born 1622/23 and her father Samuel died March 22, 1621. Whew! These complicated facts could blow a persons mind....hope I have said it all correctly. Jim, tell me if and how I am wrong? OR are we saying the same thing in a different way? ~Kathlynn~ *********************************** I think we are saying the same things. I think I just got mixed up swapping calendars back and forth. Let's see if I can explain my reasoning differently. The 'Order to keep March 22nd Holy' is dated March 4th 1622/23. That date would be March 4th 1622 on the Julian Calendar, and March 4th 1623 on the Gregorian calendar. They refer to the previous year. That previous year would have been 1621 Julian, 1622 Gregorian. So, either date would be correct, as long as we keep the right calendar in mind at all times. So, if we stick to the Julian calendar, and start with the January 29th 1624/25 muster and work backwards, using strictly Julian calendar, I will not be inserting the /year January 29th 1624 - Muster taken - Sarah has passed her second birthday but not yet attained her third Therefore, January 29th, 1623 Sarah is past her first birthday but not yet attained her second. March 4th, 1622 - 'Order' written January 29th, 1622 - Sarah has not reached her 1st birthday, but would have been born. March 22nd, 1621 - Massacre took place It is possible then, for her to have been born prior to the massacre on March 22nd, 1621, but no earlier than January 30th, 1621 Again, all dates there are Julian, to keep me from becoming befuddled again. I don't know what I thought I was seeing before, but this is as simple as I can make it now.. And I think my headache is starting to ease up some.

My husband Ronnie Pace is a descendant of David Foster Pace and Grace Ann Walters, born 1815 in KY and died 11 Mar 1876 in Warren Co, KY Grace Ann Walters' parents were: Jacob Walters born 25 Sep 1783 in Jefferson Co, KY and died 15 Oct 1848 in Barren Co, KY. He married Rebecca Ruth Brooks 11 Apr 1807 in Hardin Co, KY. She was born 1786 in Wythe Co, VA. Jacob Walters parents were: Conrad Walters born 15 Feb 1755 in Pennsylvania, and died 19 Feb 1831 in Hodgenville, KY. He married Grace Wildman Oct 1779. She was born 30 Jan 1760 in Pennsylvania. Conrad Walters parents were: Conrad Walters born 12 Mar 1712 in Nordheim, Germany and died 08 May 1792 in Nelson Co, Ky. He married Nancy Redman in Germany. She was born 1716 in Germany. Conrad Walters was buried 08 May 1792 in Philip Fort, LaRue, KY. Emigration: 25 Sep 1732, arrived on the ship Loyal Jedeth, of London, Robert Turppin, Master from Rotterdam. Doesn't seem to be a connection to your information. Let me know if you'd like more information and sources. Hope to see you at the Pace reunion next week! Janie and Ronnie Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Long Carey" <lcarey@bcpl.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:24 AM Subject: [PACE-L] David Foster Pace and Grace Walters > on 1860 census for Hardin, Kentucky is a > Rebecca Walters , age 74. > Would she be the mother of grace Walters > > Is there any connection to the following? > > Thomas Walter b. South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland > married, April 14, 1733 > Lucy Clement Walker-died in Pittsylvania Co.Va > > Their children were: > John Walters > Robert > ARcher > Obediah > William > Wilmoth > scott > Agatha > Lucy Walker Walters > Margaret > Abraham > Thomas > > found on Ancestry.com > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list > (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, > reply to sender.

on 1860 census for Hardin, Kentucky is a Rebecca Walters , age 74. Would she be the mother of grace Walters Is there any connection to the following? Thomas Walter b. South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland married, April 14, 1733 Lucy Clement Walker-died in Pittsylvania Co.Va Their children were: John Walters Robert ARcher Obediah William Wilmoth scott Agatha Lucy Walker Walters Margaret Abraham Thomas found on Ancestry.com

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Thank you. That's very interesting. It seems no weight can be given to the fact that "Sara Maycock" is referred to without a title. I will abandon that straw. The information you've given seems to answer the question of whether a child Sarah Maycock could have been granted the 200 acres. Evidently, she could have. Whether she was, is a different question. Thanks very much for posting this information. --------------------------------- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now...

-----Original Message----- From: Kathlynn3@aol.com [mailto:Kathlynn3@aol.com] "How could Sarah be Samuel Maycock's dtr when she was born too long after he got killed to be his dtr?" Which is the way it appears when you use the wrong date 1622 that the massacre occurred, instead the correct 1621 date or 1621/22. I had also questioned this many times and decided to try the answer....and that is why I proposed the question to the list in the first place and why I searched til I found the correct date. I still don't understand why so many web sites still claim the massacre date as 1622.....because that is exactly what cause the problem with making Sarah's born date fit! ------------------------------------------------------- Jim Comments: The dates that get the divided year as in 1622/23 are January 1st to March 25th of each year. The first year listed is the Julian, the second the Gregorian. After March 25th they both reflect the same year, until the following January 1st. Based on the "Order to Keep the 22d of March Holy dated March 4, 1622/3" which says the massacre happened the preceding March 22nd, 1621/22, the Gregorian date for the massacre is March 22nd, 1622. That would explain why so many people insist on that date. If Sam Maycock was killed in the massacre on March 22nd, 1622 Gregorian Calendar (1621 Julian calendar), then Sarah would have had some trouble being born in 1623 Gregorian calendar. However, if the massacre were March 22nd, 1622 on the Julian calendar, then the year 1623 started a mere 3 days later. The muster of January 29th, 1624/25 shows Sarah as 2 years old. So, she had not yet attained her third birthday, but, she could have been as old as 2 years and 11 months and still listed as 2 years old. The Gregorian date for the muster then was January, 1625. If Sarah was over 2, but not yet 3 years old, then she still could have been born in 1622 Gregorian calendar, but not in 1621. If I am missing some information here, please let me know, just trying to think about this is making my head hurt. Jim

Typo - should be 1637. nww ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy W. Wood" <nwwood@cox.net> To: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net>; <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Bible record of Richard Pace of Va to Bertie NC notes George Pace -m- Sarah Maycock > A Bible record written after 1892 of an event that occurred before 1647 > would not be considered proof, in my opinion. > > Nancy Webb Wood > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:02 PM > Subject: Bible record of Richard Pace of Va to Bertie NC notes George > Pace -

A Bible record written after 1892 of an event that occurred before 1647 would not be considered proof, in my opinion. Nancy Webb Wood ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Bible record of Richard Pace of Va to Bertie NC notes George Pace -m- Sarah Maycock > I think W. James Pace bring up a valuable claim in his message below as to Widow of Samuel Maycock, > > also in Pace archives Carolyn wrote this :Sent to Pace List Archives: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:27 PM She says she wrote Colonial Dames and they show with absolute Certain "George Pace -m- Sarah Maycock d/o Samuel Maycock " at one time info was submitted and not questioned but I think they have cleaned up their records and make people show Documentation. > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgibin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/PACE+2002+165287479+F > > I also believe we go by Bible records as proof ... Right? Well then go to this site and you will see a Bible record showing George Pace -m- Sarah Maycock d/o Samuel Maycock, or are we going to question this Richard Pace Bible record ? > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/bibles/p2000001.txt > I know we all like to see the actual Document and guess one Can get it by Microfilm at the Georgia Archives, Drawer 91, Roll 62 > > My opinion we show far to many reference that George Pace -m- Sarah Maycock d/o Samuel Maycock, for it not to be so..... > > Also not too long ago someone on Pace mailing wanted some kind of proof the Richard Pace of Bertie Co NC was the one in Virgina this Bible record also note he went to Bertie Co NC > Darlene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <pace3637@nc.rr.com> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Re:Jamestown Massacre: What year did it occur? > > > > Hello: > > You are correct Ellen; the dates do not solve the question of which Sarah (Sara) narried George Pace. I doubt we will ever know. But it is hard for me to believe that the widow would remain unmarried for all those years (12-14?) until young George was of marriagable age. It would not be unusual today, but think of how things were in that time and place. Someone suggested that the widow returned to England for a time. Why did the daughter remain behind living with another family? Can you picture the widow remainig unmarried in England and then returning to marry George? Other opinions are just as valid as mine, but that is all they are-opinions. > > Please forgive me! I promise not to clutter up the List with any more comments on this matter. > > W. James Pace > > > > ______________________________

In response to your questions I submit the following: 1. Peter Coldham's "The Complete Book of English Emmigrants" states in part :"George Yardley, Knight Governor and Captain General of Virginia with the consent of the Council give to Samuel Jordan of Charles City in Virginia, ancient planter who hath abode here in the Colony for 10 years ... 450 acres and to Cecily his wife, an ancient planter also of nine years continuance ... 100 acres more." This event occurred on 16 November 1618 and land was granted 20 Sep 1620. The above is an example of no title given to a wife. 2. Temperance Bailey, born 1617, was the daughter of the above Cecily Jordan by her first marriage to Thomas Bailey. Thomas died before 20 Sep 1620 in Virginia. His daughter Temperance Bailey was granted 200 acres in the Territory of the Weyanoke credited to her in the 1626 list of patents. On 10 Dec 1620 Samuel Jordan patented "338 acres of land in or near upon Sandy's hundred, toward the land of Temperance Bailey." This deed shows Temperance Bailey was a landowner at the age of three. Her mother lived many years after this land patent. I agree the original documents might provide helpful clues if they are extant. I do not know whether Sarah Maycock was the wife or daughter of Samuel Maycock, so I hesitate to offer an opinion. Nancy Webb Wood ----- Original Message ----- From: "gnlgy458" <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Re:Jamestown Massacre: What year did it occur? > I too still think it's more likely to have been young Sarah who married George. Only my opinion, though, and I am far from sure. > > I think the document of 1626 is our best hope of solving it. Two questions that need expert answers: > > 1. The heir is referred to as "Sara Maycock" with no title. Can one draw any reliable conclusion from this as to whether she was the child or the widow? > > 2. Can we reliably conclude that the person mentioned as due the 200 acres must by law have been a grownup, or is it possible she could have been a child? > > Solid answers to one or both these questions might, taken together, tell us who married George Pace. > > I don't think it's cluttering up the list to discuss these questions. Isn't it what the list is for? Personally, I'd like to hear more people's opinions about it. > > Ellen > > > > - ------------------------------- > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. > > ______________________________

In a message dated 6/16/2006 5:08:55 AM Central Standard Time, gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk writes: Oh yes, sorry, I jumped to the conclusion (tssk) that the "image" button was for an image of the original, but it's just an image of the transcript page. I can't see how it's possible to solve the Sarah Maycock question through the dates and the single record of young Sarah's age. The known dates don't seem to rule out either Sarah Maycock (Samuel's daughter) or Mrs Sarah Maycock (Samuel's widow). Ellen Kathlynn comments: I agree Ellen. But it does help in solving the question that was recently posted on the list: "How could Sarah be Samuel Maycock's dtr when she was born too long after he got killed to be his dtr?" Which is the way it appears when you use the wrong date 1622 that the massacre occurred, instead the correct 1621 date or 1621/22. I had also questioned this many times and decided to try the answer....and that is why I proposed the question to the list in the first place and why I searched til I found the correct date. I still don't understand why so many web sites still claim the massacre date as 1622.....because that is exactly what cause the problem with making Sarah's born date fit!