Perhaps I need to clarify that I'm not trying to "debunk" anybody. I was making the point that the Wapping-Jamestown assumption is one of several links in the Richard Pace "line" for which there is no proof. They are suppositions -- not proven fact, but not fiction either since they might be proved true in the future. gnlgy458 <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Best not to refer to her as Isabella Smyth Pace, by the way. There's no proof that Isabella Pace of Jamestown was the same person as Isabell Smyth of Wapping. That is an example of what I would call mere supposition. paceshire@juno.com wrote: I believe that Richard Pace as well as Isabella Smyth Pace recieved 100 acreas each as early planters. --------------------------------- The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. ==== PACE Mailing List ==== If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. Please include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the message to PACE-L@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine

Does anyone have this mysterious document in hand? If so, would you mind scanning it and sharing it with some of us? If no one has a copy of the ORIGINAL document, then - WHY NOT???? What is it going to take to get a copy of it? A phone call to a county clerks office and probably no more then 5 bucks! Julie

gnlgy458 <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   Best not to refer to her as Isabella Smyth Pace, by the way. There's no proof that Isabella Pace of Jamestown was the same person as Isabell Smyth of Wapping. That is an example of what I would call mere supposition. THE FELLOW RESEARCHER. It is not accepted as a fact, One is not believing what was reported by the first Researcher. WHY not just be Diplomatic & say that This information on Iasbella Pace, Just doesn't match what <I> YOU, have. Isabella & The Mysterious Maycock, Woman seems to create a Book full of ______???. They may be Ancestors of Mine, So I hope that Some where in time the TRUE connection is located. CUZ A T

Best not to refer to her as Isabella Smyth Pace, by the way. There's no proof that Isabella Pace of Jamestown was the same person as Isabell Smyth of Wapping. That is an example of what I would call mere supposition. paceshire@juno.com wrote: I believe that Richard Pace as well as Isabella Smyth Pace recieved 100 acreas each as early planters. --------------------------------- The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.

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Nancy Woods did not name the ship. Do you know that it was the Abigail? paceshire@juno.com wrote: One did in 1636 according to post of Nancy Woods JackPace On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:44:57 EDT Way8458@aol.com writes: > Did Sara come over on the ship named Abigail? > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: > www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America for > only $25.00 per year. > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America for only $25.00 per year. --------------------------------- The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.

It's not that simple, I'm afraid. Private property law was just in the process of development at that time. Up until around 1615, all land belonged to the Company. By 1626, when Sarah Maycock was granted her 200 acres, the Company had lost its Charter, Virginia had become a royal colony, and the headright system had been established. Not easy, I imagine, even for an expert, to decipher how such an evolving system might have applied to a particular instance in 1626. However, Nancy Webb Wood has cited an example of a child Temperance Bailey owning land in Virginia in 1620. If it was possible for a child to own land in Virginia in 1620, then it is possible that the Sarah Maycock who received land in 1626 (for persons transported in 1622) was a child rather than an adult. No firm conclusion can be drawn. She could have been the daughter or she could have been the widow. However, we have evidence that the daughter survived, and no evidence either that the widow survived or that her given name was Sarah. Consequently my personal opinion is that George Pace's wife probably was Samuel Maycock's daughter, but it can't be proven. "If you can not document it is fiction, and opinions (including mine) are mere fiction!!!. " I don't agree. When documentation is sparse, it can be helpful, and interesting, to try to make sense of the known facts, as long as one bears in mind the distinction between proven fact and mere supposition. --------------------------------- The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.

COUSINS, Have you ever noticed how much research time is wasted & the List Archives are Cluttered up with our unnecessary Commentary abt what someone said abt a family member. AND often there is no Solution Offered . JUST ASKING. CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

COUSIN JOYCE, There could not be more truth in a saying that. NOW lets HOPE that Researchers will try to remember that true saying. The way that I present my Posting's is SO; <According to my Records> They may be Right Or Wrong, BUT that is according MY RECORDS. OH I get replies that I am wrong. That person did read what I said. My records may not match yours, but that DOES NOT mean that I am wrong, it is just that our records do not match. WHAT bothers me most is, for someone to set them selves up as the last word in Genealogical research. I very well know that EVERY bit that is posted on line is not ALWAYS Correct. But there are many Very good researchers, so if # 6 finds something just why should # 6 get the impression that none of those from # 1 through #-5 would not have found the Same thing that # 6 found. HEY COUSINS, with the travel Pattern of our Ancestors there is NO WAY that any one of us will ever be able to visit all of the Points of Record, So WHY not learn to depend on our efficient Researching Cousins. That is WHY I believe it is just as important to know WHERE my Cousins live as to know that you are my Cousins. My Connection to the Pace Family IS SO: William Johnson Married Margaret Pace, Their Son Stephen Johnson Married Susannah Pace They were my Fourth Great Grand Parents They wound up in Amherst County, Va. CUZ A T & Leona <atpowelljr@aol.com>

-----Original Message----- From: paceshire@juno.com [mailto:paceshire@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:37 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Re:Jamestown Massacre: What year did it occur? <If you can not document it is fiction....> ------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, not quite. It may be Truth which is lurking in the guise of Truth Which Cannot be Proven, or, Truth Which is Awaiting Proof, either of which is different than Mere Fiction. Sort of like "guilty until proven innocent." Example: If, your parents once got married and there were no witnesses except the J.P. and his wife, then your folks lost their marriage certificate, Mr. & Mrs. J.P died, the courthouse and state records agency got bombed, and finally your parents died so we don't even have their word for it, does that make you a "love child," the product of a mere fictional event? No, it just means the marriage can no longer be proven, but, it did indeed happen. The problem arises when we researchers cite events as facts without a shred of backup AND with no disclaimers such as, "This seems to be...or, the evidence points to this, but it cannot currently be proven." Maybe it's true, maybe not, but IMHO, to label something as mere fiction seems an unwarranted leap and may discourage further investigation. - Joyce

I believe that Richard Pace as well as Isabella Smyth Pace recieved 100 acreas each as early planters. After Richard had died and she married Perry both George as heir apparent, and Isabella as orginal patents re-patented these same acres in now Surry County at Pace's Paines. She was a land owner. In fact she also added 100 acres of Chapmans who also was orginal patent holder. There are those who hold no proof that believe that Chapman and Perry were related. If I recall Mrs Perry and Infant and Chapman were listed in Jamestown together after the Massacure. Jack Pace / Williamsburg, Va. On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:45:12 -0500 "Nancy W. Wood" <nwwood@cox.net> writes: > In response to your questions I submit the following: > > 1. Peter Coldham's "The Complete Book of English Emmigrants" states > in part > :"George Yardley, Knight Governor and Captain General of Virginia > with the > consent of the Council give to Samuel Jordan of Charles City in > Virginia, > ancient planter who hath abode here in the Colony for 10 years ... > 450 acres > and to Cecily his wife, an ancient planter also of nine years > continuance > ... 100 acres more." This event occurred on 16 November 1618 and > land was > granted 20 Sep 1620. > > The above is an example of no title given to a wife. > > 2. Temperance Bailey, born 1617, was the daughter of the above > Cecily Jordan > by her first marriage to Thomas Bailey. Thomas died before 20 Sep > 1620 in > Virginia. His daughter Temperance Bailey was granted 200 acres in > the > Territory of the Weyanoke credited to her in the 1626 list of > patents. On 10 > Dec 1620 Samuel Jordan patented "338 acres of land in or near upon > Sandy's > hundred, toward the land of Temperance Bailey." > > This deed shows Temperance Bailey was a landowner at the age of > three. Her > mother lived many years after this land patent. > > I agree the original documents might provide helpful clues if they > are > extant. I do not know whether Sarah Maycock was the wife or daughter > of > Samuel Maycock, so I hesitate to offer an opinion. > > Nancy Webb Wood > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gnlgy458" <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Re:Jamestown Massacre: What year did it occur? > > > > I too still think it's more likely to have been young Sarah who > married > George. Only my opinion, though, and I am far from sure. > > > > I think the document of 1626 is our best hope of solving it. > Two > questions that need expert answers: > > > > 1. The heir is referred to as "Sara Maycock" with no title. > Can one > draw any reliable conclusion from this as to whether she was the > child or > the widow? > > > > 2. Can we reliably conclude that the person mentioned as due > the 200 > acres must by law have been a grownup, or is it possible she could > have been > a child? > > > > Solid answers to one or both these questions might, taken > together, tell > us who married George Pace. > > > > I don't think it's cluttering up the list to discuss these > questions. > Isn't it what the list is for? Personally, I'd like to hear more > people's > opinions about it. > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > > - ------------------------------- > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all > new > Yahoo! Security Centre. > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail > list (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply > personally, reply to sender. > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

One did in 1636 according to post of Nancy Woods JackPace On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:44:57 EDT Way8458@aol.com writes: > Did Sara come over on the ship named Abigail? > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: > www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America for > only $25.00 per year. > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

Try Google. Jack Pace On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:18:05 -0400 "Betty Bivins" <halbet@angus1841.com> writes: > Does anyone know anything about the Sir Francis Wyatt who is > referenced in > the post? > thanks, > betty in ga > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy W. Wood" <nwwood@cox.net> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:34 PM > Subject: [PACE-L] Sara Maycock > > > > 1626, May 8 - "Att a Court held May 8, 1626, being present Sir > Francis > > Wyatt, Governor Capt. Francis West, Captain Roger Smith, Capt. > Samuel > > Matthews, Mr. William Claybourne, it is ordered ye Sara Maycock > for four > > servants brought over in the Abigail, in 1622, upon the account of > Mr. > > Samuel Maycock, shall have 200 acres of land to be taken up by her > in any > > place not formerly taken up." Virginia Magazine Vol. 25, p 342 > > > > 1626, May 8 - "It is ordered yt for fower servants brought over in > the > > Abigail uppon the account of Mrs. Samuel Maycock shall have two > hundred > > acres of land to be taken upp by her in any place not formerly > taken up." > > Original record in the Library of Congress, Last item on page 247 > - there > > are two pages numbered 246. > > > > These two transcripts do not agree as to whether it was Sarah > Maycock or > > Mrs. Samuel Maycock who received the land grant. Does anyone on > the list > > live in or near Washington who could check this original record in > the > > Library of Congress? > > > > Nancy Webb Wood > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to > PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with > > the one word message: subscribe OR unsubscribe > > For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse > Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this > URL: http://boards.ancestry.com > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

If memory serves me he would have been 15 or less. Jack Pace On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:57:20 -0700 "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> writes: > > According to Virginia colonial Abstracts, Vol III Charles City > County Court Order 1655-1658 Page 146 > where .....Richard Pace Orphan of Desceased George Pace asked that > Wm Baugh be guardian of him so Richard was old enough to make that > request so abt how old would he have been? Might help determine when > George Pace -m- Sarah Maycock > > So we know he was alive here in Charles City County Court orders > The sale of Land in 1650 of George Pace to Thomas Drew in Oct 12 > 1650 per his son Richard Confirms this Feb 25 1658/9 Richard himself > signed this knowing his father George did in fact sell this land to > Thomas Drew is the way I read this.... So Richard was old enough to > sign this ... also noted in this court Order 1658-1659, both his > Mother Sara Maycock and George Pace Deceased > Darlene > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. > Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: > http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out! > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

Amen. At best it's secondary evidence. Jack Pace / Williamsburg,Va. On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:49:19 -0500 "Nancy W. Wood" <nwwood@cox.net> writes: > A Bible record written after 1892 of an event that occurred before > 1647 > would not be considered proof, in my opinion. > > Nancy Webb Wood > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:02 PM > Subject: Bible record of Richard Pace of Va to Bertie NC notes > George > Pace -m- Sarah Maycock > > > > I think W. James Pace bring up a valuable claim in his message > below as to > Widow of Samuel Maycock, > > > > also in Pace archives Carolyn wrote this :Sent to Pace List > Archives: > Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:27 PM She says she wrote Colonial > Dames and > they show with absolute Certain "George Pace -m- Sarah Maycock > d/o Samuel > Maycock " at one time info was submitted and not questioned but I > think > they have cleaned up their records and make people show > Documentation. > > > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgibin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/PACE+20 02+165287479+F > > > > I also believe we go by Bible records as proof ... Right? Well > then go to > this site and you will see a Bible record showing George Pace -m- > Sarah > Maycock d/o Samuel Maycock, or are we going to question this > Richard Pace > Bible record ? > > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/bibles/p2000001.txt > > I know we all like to see the actual Document and guess one Can > get it by > Microfilm at the Georgia Archives, Drawer 91, Roll 62 > > > > My opinion we show far to many reference that George Pace -m- > Sarah > Maycock d/o Samuel Maycock, for it not to be so..... > > > > Also not too long ago someone on Pace mailing wanted some kind of > proof > the Richard Pace of Bertie Co NC was the one in Virgina this Bible > record > also note he went to Bertie Co NC > > Darlene > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <pace3637@nc.rr.com> > > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Re:Jamestown Massacre: What year did it > occur? > > > > > > > Hello: > > > You are correct Ellen; the dates do not solve the question of > which > Sarah (Sara) narried George Pace. I doubt we will ever know. But it > is hard > for me to believe that the widow would remain unmarried for all > those years > (12-14?) until young George was of marriagable age. It would not be > unusual > today, but think of how things were in that time and place. Someone > suggested that the widow returned to England for a time. Why did the > daughter remain behind living with another family? Can you picture > the widow > remainig unmarried in England and then returning to marry George? > Other > opinions are just as valid as mine, but that is all they > are-opinions. > > > Please forgive me! I promise not to clutter up the List with any > more > comments on this matter. > > > W. James Pace > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. > Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: > http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out! > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

Ellen: You might want to check the laws of 1620s to determine if a child could be a land owner. I believe if the patent was granted it was either to an adult or to a guardian of the child. However I have been advised that a child could hold title but had to be of age to sell land. I have not read all the stuff about Ruth Keys Clark on the Line, and I shall not bother, but her contention was that Sarah must have been an adult to receive the patent. I worked (she has died) with Ruth on several projects and she had her opinions, all of which I did not agree with, but when she could not document she stated it was her opinion. Lets let her rest in Peace. If you can not document it is fiction, and opinions (including mine) are mere fiction!!!. Jack Pace/Williamsburg, Va. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:36:14 +0100 (BST) gnlgy458 <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > I too still think it's more likely to have been young Sarah who > married George. Only my opinion, though, and I am far from sure. > > I think the document of 1626 is our best hope of solving it. Two > questions that need expert answers: > > 1. The heir is referred to as "Sara Maycock" with no title. Can > one draw any reliable conclusion from this as to whether she was the > child or the widow? > > 2. Can we reliably conclude that the person mentioned as due the > 200 acres must by law have been a grownup, or is it possible she > could have been a child? > > Solid answers to one or both these questions might, taken > together, tell us who married George Pace. > > I don't think it's cluttering up the list to discuss these > questions. Isn't it what the list is for? Personally, I'd like to > hear more people's opinions about it. > > Ellen > > > > --------------------------------- > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all > new Yahoo! Security Centre. > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail > list (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply > personally, reply to sender. > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

I am so sorry I will not get to see Ruth Keys Clark at the DAR Continental Congress this week. She was the first Pace that I met, outside of my own family. This year, the DAR is having another Pace there. National Defense Night Speaker General Peter Pace Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff DAR is thrilled to announce that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Peter Pace, will be the National Defense Night Speaker during the 115th Continental Congress. Since September 2005 General Pace has served as the principal military advisor to the President, the Secretary of Defense, and the National Security Council. General Pace is the first Marine to serve as Chairman, as well as the first Marine to have served as the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Born in Brooklyn, New York, and raised in Teaneck, New Jersey, the Chairman graduated from the United States Naval Acadamy in 1967. He obtained a Master's Degree in Business Administration from the George Washington University, and also attended Harvard University for the Senior Executives in National and International Security Program. General Pace also graduated from the Infantry Officers' Advanced Course at Fort Benning, Ga.; the Marine Corps Command and Staff College, in Quantico, Va.; and the National War College, at Ft. McNair, Washington, D.C. The Chairman served in Vietnam, as a Rifle Platoon Leader and an Assistant Operations Officer before he was assigned to Marine Barracks, Washington, D.C., where he served in a number of positions. General Pace has held command at nearly every level, and served in Nam Phong, Thailand; Seoul, Korea; and Yokota, Japan. He served as President, Marine Corps University, and as Deputy Commander, Marine Forces, Somalia, and as Deputy Commander, Joint Task Force, Somalia. General Pace served as Commander of the U.S. Marine Corps Forces, Atlantic/Europe/South before he was promoted to General and assumed duties as the Commander in Chief, United States Southern Command. The Chairman has numerous personal decorations, including Defense Distinguished Service Medal, with two oak leaf clusters; Defense Superior Service Medal; the Legion of Merit; Bronze Star Medal with Combat; to name only a few. Robyn Pace Putnam -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.3/374 - Release Date: 6/23/2006

I don't think it is complete yet as I could not find my brother, a Viet Nam veteran,though he died at home. Betty Pace --------- Forwarded message ---------- Those seeking information on veterans may be assisted by this article. VA Adds Maps to Online Gravesite Locator WASHINGTON (June 20, 2006) - The grave locations of more than three million veterans and dependents buried in national cemeteries can be found more easily now because the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has added maps of burial sections online that can be printed from home computers and at national cemetery kiosks. The latest improvement builds upon a service begun two years ago, in which a VA online feature permits family members to find the cemetery in which their loved one is buried. "This new map feature makes it easier for families, friends and researchers to find the exact location of a veteran's grave in all national cemeteries and some state veterans cemeteries," said the Honorable R. James Nicholson, Secretary of Veterans Affairs. "It enhances VA's service at national cemeteries, already highly regarded, and our commitment to them as national shrines and historical treasures." The gravesite locator (http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov), online since April 2004, helps veterans' families, former comrades-in-arms and others find the cemeteries where veterans are buried. With the new online feature, people enter a veteran's name to search, click on the "Buried At" (burial location) link and a map of the national cemetery is displayed, showing the section where the grave is located. In a related development, VA recently added to its database the cemeteries in which 1.9 million veterans were buried with VA grave markers. These are mostly private cemeteries. This addition brings the number of graves recorded in the locator to approximately five million. Those with maps are in VA national cemeteries and in state veterans cemeteries and Arlington National Cemetery if burials were since 1999. Beyond the five million records now available, VA continues to add approximately 1,000 new records to the database each day. VA also plans to add to its online database the exact locations of veterans' gravesites in the remaining state veterans cemeteries. In the midst of the largest cemetery expansion since the Civil War, VA operates 123 national cemeteries in 39 states and Puerto Rico and 33 soldiers' lots and monument sites. More than three million Americans, including veterans of every war and conflict - from the Revolutionary War to the Global War on Terror - are buried in VA's national cemeteries on more than 16,000 acres of land. Veterans with a discharge other than dishonorable, their spouses, and eligible dependent children may be buried in a national cemetery. Other burial benefits include a burial flag, Presidential Memorial Certificate, and a government headstone or marker - even if they are not buried in a national cemetery. Information on VA burial benefits can be obtained from national cemetery offices, from the Internet at http://www.cem.va.gov or by calling VA regional offices toll-free at 1 800-827-1000.

Someone has sent me the following information which I hope someone can identify with:; George Lane who married Eliza Flanagan is the son of William S. Lane of Broken island . George;s sister Mary Ann Lane married my gggrandfather, William H. Jones. Another interesting from the Library of Virginia is that William H.JOnes' aunt, his Father Roland Jones' Sister, Sally Jones, married Garland White.Their son Demuel White married Rebecca Pace,dau. of Jesse and Catherine Pace. All in Fluvanna. This info. was posted on Virginia Forum # 32053 From another cosby researcher, it turns out that my " Aunt Fanny Cosby" who has been a mystery for may years is the dau. of Eliza. Flanagan and George Lane. They were married in Va. and moved to Alabama,where Fanny and I believe another sister, Sarah were born. Upon the return of the family to Fluvanna, Fanny married a Edward N. Cosby(widower). When my grgrandmother Mary A. Herndon Robinson, made application for a pension from her husband David C.Robinson,Edward N. Cosby and a Mr.Haden were witnesses to the facts.Hadens, Lanes, Cosbys, were neighbors. If anyone knows anything more about the parentage of Eliza Flanagan or Edward N. Cosby would love to know. They were born bet. 1800-1825, He in Va. She in Alabama.

Am I right in saying that most of the americas are ancestors from the UK strain? I'm happy to be told I'm wrong, just my thoughts going wild here! Jaquie