Cousins; I believe that the greatest unjustified REBUKE one could receive is to be Condemned for asking or Implying Questions. I see so much abt not believing what is found on line, <GOOD IDEA> BUT, I so happen to believe there are other Researchers as Good or better, than so many self proclaimed Experts. It baffles me that there is so much, implied resentment at my questions ABT D. N. A. HERE is my Problem, My second Grt Grand Parent was A Female, Her Son My Grt Grand Parent, Son My Grand Parent MY Father, Me, There were two sons, One <Dec> His son His Two Daughter's, and Son #-2 with one Daughter, SO that will be a six Male ascendency, Then Female Descendants, so for me now D. N. A.__?? BUT something to PONDER; I am 80 years old, I got interested in Family Research at 69 YEARS, I have a 14 year old Grand Daughter, Give her 10 rears to her first child <??>= 2016, <MY GRT Grand Child> Give that Grt Grand Child 24 Years, to A child = 2040 Now this Grt Grand Child Follows ME & my age to become interested= 2109, IF I OR any of you Cousins Had our D. N. A. Recorded Now, <Following my Route to & through Genealogical/Research By 2120 OUR Grt Grand Children Very well could be able to USE the Female D. N. A. & Match our Male Results. Something to Ponder. NOW; what ever questions that may be asked, PLEASE, Cousins that is the Best Way that I have ever found to learn. The foundation to the Greatest Brick wall ever encountered is These 4 words, <IT JUST CANT BE> JUST how could anyone know that without ASKING & researching. Remember. <ASK & ANSWER QUESTIONS SOMEONE KNOWS> Something to ponder. JUST think of how many cousins that will read this----?? I hope, Now a record of Our D. N. A. Stored would be a GREAT assist to our Descendants in Research, WELL some just may keep the Flame LIT, But we are going to have Descendants that no doubt will have a greater Gap between Is & our Descendant that takes the interest in Genealogy that we have today, Something to Ponder, Just think of what a Down hill Swing we would had IF we Had D. N. A. from our 5th Grt Grand Father. WE know that Cousin Roy has a great record, BUT Something to Ponder, There is a Criminal D. N. A. Data Base, THAT is out. BUT; Just think of the Savings IF A group of Families could get together & Then there would be a need for only one Record point, so more Cheaper than That many Familles each having a separate POINT, Each one could send their D. N. A. ##,s in & they would be waiting for our Distant Descendants to Compare <Just something to PONDER> Please put as much Attention to this Idea as Has been directed to TRASHING CUZ A T because I had a Question abt D. N. A. SOMETHING else to Ponder. <atpowelljr@aol.com>

At 03:22 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote: >I thank all of those who came to my defense, but I really don't think the >person who made that post intended to attack me. It was just his >unique way of >wording things. I responded offline in a friendly manner, and we now have a >good private thread going about our common John of M ancestry. > >There's an old Ozark saying--"You can catch more flies with honey >than you can >with vinegar." > >Roy While I have not been able to prove my direct line back beyond Benjamin Pace, born 1801 in Virginia, I think that my line goes to Edmund or Edward Pace and a Susan Johnson, then to John Pace and Susannah Houchins, then Joseph Pace and Ann Basford and finally to John of Middlesex. My mother was the Pace, and I have one living Uncle, and as far as I know only two other living males in my direct line. I might be able to find some of children or grandchildren, even great grandchildren of my grandfather's brothers , but I haven't had the time to try and find those relatives, and as far as I know none of them are into genealogy. I did see an email on a mailing list from an Arleta Howe Date: February 28, 2002 at 05:57:50 who indicated that she was in the same line, and hunting children of my Uncle Henry who died in 1971 and I do know that two of his three boys are dead. I have tried to convince my living uncle and his son to do a DNA test, but so far I have not been able to do so. This would help me prove who was the father, and grandfather of Benjamin Pace, born 1801 in VA and died in 1859 in Edmonson County Kentucky.

Joe Anderson said: <<I didn't realize that anyone was being attacked. I thought that I was in a discussion about the merits of genetic genealogy in general and the Pace yDNA project specifically. There was a post that seemed to be disparaging the value of the yDNA project. I didn't agree and entered a contrary opinion.>> That's what I thought too. I didn't take it as an attack. Apparently some did. Roy

<<I still wonder Where Cousin ROY'S Johnson Family Got into the act. CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com> Easy. My father was Bob Johnson, my mother was Ena Pace. Family lore says our Johnsons are Swedish. Our brick wall is five generations back in East Kentucky. NOt many Swedes there, but there were Swedes in early New Jersey and Delaware who could have emigrated there. (It was the Swedes who taught us to build log cabins; the English used plank houses.) I did a 12 marker DNA and got no matches on the Johnson site. However, the tentative analysis said my ancestry is West African and I had two 11/12 matches in Senegal and Gambia. 12 markers does not provide a very accurate analysis but let's speculate a little. I did some research and found that there were free Africans living among the Swedes in early Delaware and New Jersey. If one of them sired a child by a Swedish woman, then that child melted into Swedish society, that African could be my ancestor. 6 generations of white intermarriage down to my great grandfather would wash out any sign of African ancestry. This is highly speculative and I intend later to get further testing done. Meantime I am having fun with my black friends telling them I am African- American. Human DNA worldwide differs only in minute ways. Two wolf packs on different sides of Mondana differ more in DNA than a blond Swede and a black African. Just goes to show that race is a myth. There is only one race--the human race. Roy

For Cousins, James, Maureen, Scott, Darlene, Joe Anderson Joyce H., NOW for the reason for this list of Names IS; When there has been a comment to or abt Cousin Roy, IT is directed to Cousin Roy. AS IT should be. Just wondering who this Phantom that the other Comments are Directed to. I try to Direct my Comments to the one that I am answering & Sign Off. < atpowelljr@aol.com> I have NOT said that D. N. A. is a waste of time &/OR Money But I am getting some FEED BACK, direct that gives me the impression that, THE IF'S, &&,s & maybesos are causing some people to shy away from the COST, YES I believe in TO each their own, but at the same time, every one does not have $$$ to spend on _______???. With me, My father was Adopted, So that rules out D. N. A. For My Surname, & my Bio Back ground would go to ONE Grt Grand Father, as THE fourth Grt Grand Parent was a Female, so According to the D. N. A. Path There is abt a NON question, THAT is for ME. <BUT for those of My Cousins who want to & can afford it BY ALL MEANS GO FOR IT> I still wonder Where Cousin ROY'S Johnson Family Got into the act. CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

Sometimes I think that I am following a thread, but then I realize that I've missed something. I hope that my earlier post was complimentary to the DNA page, as I think that it is very well done, but I didn't really know that I was defending anyone as I didn't realize that anyone was being attacked. I thought that I was in a discussion about the merits of genetic genealogy in general and the Pace yDNA project specifically. There was a post that seemed to be disparaging the value of the yDNA project. I didn't agree and entered a contrary opinion. I wasn't aware of any attacking or defending going on - I thought that it was a simple discussion about the general merits of DNA in genealogy research. Joe Anderson

I thank all of those who came to my defense, but I really don't think the person who made that post intended to attack me. It was just his unique way of wording things. I responded offline in a friendly manner, and we now have a good private thread going about our common John of M ancestry. There's an old Ozark saying--"You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar." Roy

Subj: [CAMPBELL] Cousin AT's DNA Relationships  Date: 7/29/06 5:44:18 AM Central Daylight Time From: k4ija@yahoo.com Reply-to: campbell@rootsweb.com To: CAMPBELL-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) I agree with cousin AT's reasoning with keeping all siblings records, if possible. I recently participated in the Campbell DNA project and found that I am related to  McAllisters of North Carolina and Kentucky. This is a relationship that I had never heard or known of before. Records of my GGrandfather, John W. Campbell, from North Carolina, have been nonexistant I begin to think that John W. was a stowaway on a phantom ship.      Tom Campbell   North, SC, USA         One ole Cousins Notion. THANKS COUSIN TOM. YA.ll oughta think abt this, with only one member of 5th Grt Grand Pa's kids as <YOUR MY LINE> Cousins AHM HEAH, to say That when your Male Member <QOUTE/UNQOUTE MY LINE> of 5th Grt Grand PA's Family, now when that MY LINE's Sister's Started maring Cousins & Their Children got to Marring Cousins. Now; JUST try to Picture This; When that old man became our 5th Grt Grand Father, CUZ we done got to be the 8th Genaration. Mercy me Young-un, & you wonder Why you Hit a brick wall. THAR most likely done been a bunch of Cousin Marriages by now AND gone un noticed, <According to the Answer that I so often GET> HUH, Gran DAD/Uncle I am not interested in who I am kin to, WHAT YA,LL Have not heard that. ACH SO, You are going to say that happened Many years ago. PLEASE BEAR WITH ME; One of my, <Campbell> 2nd Grt Grand Father Was Married 3 times, His Son in 2ND Marriage was My Mother's Grand Father, She had three Brother's, 2ND Grt Grand Ma D. & 2ND Grt Grand Pa married #-3 There were MANY Uncles & some Aunts. SO one of the Boys from 2ND Grt Grand Pa's 3rd Marriage, Raises his Family, Aunt Pearl Marries, Her Son Marries Along comes a Son, SORTA got it under control up to here, <looks like, HUH?> OK NOW, too blow the mind of MY line. 2ND Grt Grand PA'S 3rd Grt Grand Daughter, By the son from the 2ND Marriage, My 2ND Cousin, WELL SHE goes & marries the GRT GRAND Son of 2ND Grt Grand PA's Son By the Third Marriage, & I am Sure that they are TOTALLY UNAWARE OF their relationship. I am here to tell you, <MY LINE ONLY> Cousins, you, COULD & More than have run into a brick wall, That your <MY line> 4th Cousins Sibling's Hold the answer too. OH I know John's son From Va. Is in the Army in FT. Lenordwood, Mo. & he has Met the MOST Wonderful Girl, They were in for Thanksgiving, AW they just fit Perfect, AH HA, Cousin William is a Nosey Family researcher, asks Wonderful Girl A few Questions. WELL what do you Know, Wonderful Girls 5th Grt Grand Mother was The Sister To John's Son's Grt Grand Pa George_____L? <MY line only Any one else???> AW NOW CUZ, ya gona say, well Cousins I have found these Situations. OH I know that Every one in the Family cannot be Kept up with BUT______? which one & WHY would one drop ANY Family info, when MY LINES Siblings Marriage could just be the Answer to that BRICK WALL? CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

Regarding the recent discussion of DNA and its role in genealogy, I thought some might be interested in a free online lecture from the NEHGS: "Who was your Mother's Mother's Mother's Mother?" http://nehgs.breezecentral.com/mothersmother It's an online lecture on Matrilineal genealogy (sometimes called "umbilical genealogy," complete with slide-show demonstrations. Enjoy. Maureen Maureen Mead ASC CTGenWeb Project, http://www.rootsweb.com/ctgenweb.com CC Fairfield County, CTGenWeb Project, http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctfairfi

This may be a rather long post, but I feel in the mood to review some things. It humbles me to look back over the years and see how my feeble efforts have helped so many people. I don't know as much about DNA as some of you (especially Rebecca Christofferson) and I have not done a lot of genealogical research myself--I researched and verified my great grandfather's family and corrected some family legends, and the rest of my line back to John of Middlesex was sent to me by other respected researchers. It has been helpful that my MA degree is in European History and I had a good seminar on using sources--primary and secondary, verifying and authenticating, drawing conclusions from sources, etc. We were all given the same sources and had to write an account of an event in history then defend it in the seminar. Amazing that we all used the same sources but wrote slightly different, sometimes contradictory accounts. An eye openeer. I joined the Pace Society and thought such a prestigious group would have careful research, but was tremendously disappointed in much of what I saw. Retiring from high school teaching World History/World Cultures) and teaching computer courses at Webster University gives me the opportunity to buy high powered programs like FrontPage at riduculously low faculty prices. Most site managers can't do this. Of course you have to learn how to use them too. Back in the stone age of computing, I joined AOL and found that they had a genealogy section. Noticing some Pace posts I got the idea to coordinate online Pace research. I emailed those people and started the Pace Network, at that time just an email deal as the World Wide Web wasn't accessible yet. I think there were seven or eight of us in the original Pace Network. Then AOL opened the World Wide Web to AOL members, and I thought, "hey, here is a great chance to learn how to do a web page." AOL had a very simple program for doing it, which I still use sometimes. So I moved the Pace Network to the Web and set up queries pages, which I had to enter by hand. Eventually, I moved the Pace Network off of AOL and onto RootsWeb. I think the Pace Network is the oldest Pace resource on the Internet. Then an amazing thing happened that had important repercussions in our DNA project. I had a UK queries section, and one query mentioned that a family member had emigrated to Canada in the 19th century and contact was lost. Gordon Pace of Canada happened to browse that page and said, "Hey, that's my ancestor!" He got in contact with his Briish cousins, found documentary evidence going back to his Paces in Straffordshire, and visited there. That in itself is amazing enough, but we all know what happened when Gordon later matched 25/25 with John of Middlesex descendents and we were able to use his research to locate John's probable ancestry in England. There are some who have suggested that I be a presenter at a Pace Society meeting if I am ever able to go to one. But what would I present? Whether genealogy or DNA, there are those in the society who know more than I do. I am jack of all trades and master of none. I even dabble a bit in folk and country music. I wrote a sonf for my in-laws' golden wedding anniversary called "Golden Love". I paid to have a professional recording made of it, and later put it on a CD. I got the idea that it was general enough to have salable value, and I put it on the Internet, offering to personalize it with pictures and captions. I have sold 150 copies to 30-some states and England, Wales, Scotland, and Canada. If you are curious, you can see it at http://goldenwedding.net. I'm more of a people person than a research person. Someone asked me once if I preferred teaching World History/World Cultures or computer courses. I thought about it a minute and said: "I prefer teaching people." Guess it's that way with genealogy too. I have just had some fantastic good luck in bringing people together. I get lots of questions about genealogy and DNA from those who think I have expertise. I don't. Roy Johnson

On rereading, I see my mistake. It wasn't George who immigrated to Canada but a 19th-century descendant of George. Apologies. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

That's a very interesting story. Thanks for posting it. Seems to me it would make a very interesting presentation, though I'm not a Pace Society member. It's amazing that the Pace family in Shropshire still recall that a family member immigrated to Canada in the 17th century. Quite extraordinary. It made me wonder, though. If two of the brothers immigrated -- George to Canada and John to Virginia -- I wonder how it came about that George's journey got remembered but John's didn't. Did the Shropshire family have any thoughts on this? (I realize it's not absolutely proved that John and George were brothers but the evidence seems very persuasive.) James --- royj@webster.edu wrote: > This may be a rather long post, but I feel in the > mood to review some things. > > It humbles me to look back over the years and see > how my feeble efforts have > helped so many people. I don't know as much about > DNA as some of you > (especially Rebecca Christofferson) and I have not > done a lot of genealogical > research myself--I researched and verified my great > grandfather's family and > corrected some family legends, and the rest of my > line back to John of > Middlesex was sent to me by other respected > researchers. > > It has been helpful that my MA degree is in European > History and I had a good > seminar on using sources--primary and secondary, > verifying and authenticating, > drawing conclusions from sources, etc. We were all > given the same sources and > had to write an account of an event in history then > defend it in the seminar. > Amazing that we all used the same sources but wrote > slightly different, > sometimes contradictory accounts. An eye openeer. > I joined the Pace Society > and thought such a prestigious group would have > careful research, but was > tremendously disappointed in much of what I saw. > > Retiring from high school teaching World > History/World Cultures) and teaching > computer courses at Webster University gives me the > opportunity to buy high > powered programs like FrontPage at riduculously low > faculty prices. Most site > managers can't do this. Of course you have to learn > how to use them too. > > Back in the stone age of computing, I joined AOL and > found that they had a > genealogy section. Noticing some Pace posts I got > the idea to coordinate > online Pace research. I emailed those people and > started the Pace Network, at > that time just an email deal as the World Wide Web > wasn't accessible yet. I > think there were seven or eight of us in the > original Pace Network. > > Then AOL opened the World Wide Web to AOL members, > and I thought, "hey, here is > a great chance to learn how to do a web page." AOL > had a very simple program > for doing it, which I still use sometimes. So I > moved the Pace Network to the > Web and set up queries pages, which I had to enter > by hand. Eventually, I moved > the Pace Network off of AOL and onto RootsWeb. I > think the Pace Network is the > oldest Pace resource on the Internet. > > Then an amazing thing happened that had important > repercussions in our DNA > project. I had a UK queries section, and one query > mentioned that a family > member had emigrated to Canada in the 19th century > and contact was lost. > Gordon Pace of Canada happened to browse that page > and said, "Hey, that's my > ancestor!" He got in contact with his Briish > cousins, found documentary > evidence going back to his Paces in Straffordshire, > and visited there. > > That in itself is amazing enough, but we all know > what happened when Gordon > later matched 25/25 with John of Middlesex > descendents and we were able to use > his research to locate John's probable ancestry in > England. > > There are some who have suggested that I be a > presenter at a Pace Society > meeting if I am ever able to go to one. But what > would I present? Whether > genealogy or DNA, there are those in the society who > know more than I do. > > I am jack of all trades and master of none. I even > dabble a bit in folk and > country music. I wrote a sonf for my in-laws' > golden wedding anniversary > called "Golden Love". I paid to have a professional > recording made of it, and > later put it on a CD. I got the idea that it was > general enough to have salable > value, and I put it on the Internet, offering to > personalize it with pictures > and captions. I have sold 150 copies to 30-some > states and England, Wales, > Scotland, and Canada. If you are curious, you can > see it at > http://goldenwedding.net. > > I'm more of a people person than a research person. > Someone asked me once if I > preferred teaching World History/World Cultures or > computer courses. I thought > about it a minute and said: > > "I prefer teaching people." > > Guess it's that way with genealogy too. I have just > had some fantastic good > luck in bringing people together. I get lots of > questions about genealogy and > DNA from those who think I have expertise. > > I don't. > > Roy Johnson > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can > post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, > Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I'll give a hearty second to that motion. The Pace DNA project and Roy's organization and presentation of the results represents a job very well done. None of my other surname projects come anywhere close. While it has not told anyone exactly who their gggggg-grandpa was, that not being within the scope of the technology, it has answered some important questions and given some clues to others. Now we really need some more donors from the Frederick of Wales lines to hep us answer that question. Joe Anderson ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Joyce" <joy_harr@swbell.net> To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Usefulness of DNA Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:20:14 -0500 Might I add that the AWESOME job that Roy has done in compiling the DNA results and the resultant chart for the Pace project, with explanatory notes, helps immensely in understanding. I'm a proxy-member of another surname project and the Pace chart blows the others out of the water. We're fortunate to have someone who keeps it up like this. (Besides, it's real purty :-) Thanks, Roy, for all your efforts. - Joyce H. royj@webster.edu wrote: > > If you understand how DNA works and what its limits > are it can be a help. It is > better at disproving than at proving, but it can > support documentary evidence. > Look at the DNA chart > (http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/results.htm) and see > how > consistently the John of Middlesex Pace descendents > (group 2) match each other > but NOT the Jamestown area Pace descendents (3a and > 3b), but notice how > consistently those Paces match each other. If this > isn't helpful data, I don't > know what is.

I'll second that. I became the admin for a DNA project BECAUSE of the PACE DNA project, and used it on several occasions to show potential participants in my project, how they work and how helpful they can be. I believe Roy and Rebecca(?) also gave me a lot of guidance on using the SMGF database to supplement our results (which worked out great). And again, in defense of genetic genealogy, I don't look at it as a way to tell you exactly who you descend from, but its a tremendous tool for confirming relationships that may only have been 'educated guesses' before. In my project, we had a gentleman join that had a completely different surname, but oral family tradition from several generations back had told him that the family originally had our surname, and he thought he might be related to a specific branch. We were lucky enough to find a descendant from that branch and order a test and sure enough, they were a match! Looking at the 'educated guess' trees for these 2 participants, the most recent common ancestor was EIGHT generations ago. The gentleman that approached us has since met many in his 'new' family and attended a large family reunion with this group. DNA is not the all-answering genealogical tool, but it is an amazingly powerful one. Scott --- darlene <darlene@adweb.net> wrote: > Genealogy DNA is relative new, Like anything it does > take some time to > review results and the More DNA done sure helps the > History results, I have > been Lucky to get Roys opinion, Rebecca Christiansen > and Joe Anderson > opinion .....They understand DNA far more than I > do.. as Science was not one > of my achievements. > > Roy Johnson DNA site is wonderful... so much better > than Most sites ... I am > so proud of it, I have my Hopkins line and Stone > Lines ck it out so they can > set it up kinda like it so those people can > understand DNA better ...They > still do not report as Roy does to Pace mailing > lists new results coming > in... which would be helpful, but as Roy says at > time he does not have the > time he need as he is taking care of ill person so > hurts his time on DNA .. > but we all understand and wish the best for > him...... > > No DNA does not give me exactly who I descend from, > but a general Idea , > but I wanted to help with this new DNA research, and > so I decided to get > some of my related families to have DNA done one was > brother of My Gr > Grandfather and I searched until I found one who > would qualify & do DNA.. > His (Kit # 53888 ) matches up exactly with my > results (MyKit # 13827) > Which Tells us for sure Richmond Pace was father of > both those boys as I > knew they were , Now I am eagerly awaiting Results > on a Kit ????.. who I am > sure John Pace is brother of My Richmond Pace and > almost sure DNA will prove > this up as Documentation shows brothers ..at the > most it could be off one > marker on Marker 2, which just might agree with Kit > # 7791 which possibly is > a Brother of Richmond Pace but we had no proof > ...That DNA should be out > at least by 2nd week in Aug if not before...and Kit > #10683 is exact Match > with Kit # 7791 and one marker off from my Kit > 13827 so perhaps Kit 7791 & > Kit 10683 Descend from Brothers of one another and > have the same father > Which would be William Pace & Secely Walker ...So I > am eagerly awaiting the > New Kit # to come out...I am told if agrees exactly > with my Kit then Kit > 7791 is not a brother of my Richmond Pace, Just some > how related ... > > We all Have opinions and at first when I had DNA > done I was a bit > disappointed it did not tell me exactly who I decend > from, but I am excited > abt my abv DNA information ..... > > If you Qualify want DNA done and feel Price to > expensive the Pace site has > indeed helped some of us that could not afford to > have it done ...As we all > donate a bit ..I tend to donate to the NC Pace's > especially the 3bGreen.. > but if you need help or feel too expensive ...I will > gladly donate some to > your DNA even tho its Middlesex Pace line, it will > help the History of DNA > for every DNA done...So have your DNA done if you > Qualify... and hope it > shows something that might help.you get excited > about DNA as I am now.. > I remain Darlene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Atpowelljr@aol.com> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:03 PM > Subject: [PACE-L] RE-D. N. A. & GETTING A REPLY > > > > Cousin Roy IF you will note I STATED that no doubt > D. N. A. > > Serves a Purpose. What bothers me is the > <UO-AH-UR> That every time I > see a > > question asked: NOW; That <UO-AH-UR> is the noise > an expert Makes when the > > Expert Finds Both Feet in their Mouth. > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at > http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Joe I have tried to find one that would qualify on those Alabama & some Arkansas Pace's who I think descend from Frederick of Wales .. I like you sure wish one would show up .. Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janders 45" <janders45@hotmail.com> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Usefulness of DNA > I'll give a hearty second to that motion. The Pace DNA project and Roy's > organization and presentation of the results represents a job very well > done. None of my other surname projects come anywhere close. While it has > not told anyone exactly who their gggggg-grandpa was, that not being within > the scope of the technology, it has answered some important questions and > given some clues to others. > > Now we really need some more donors from the Frederick of Wales lines to hep > us answer that question. > > Joe Anderson > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Joyce" <joy_harr@swbell.net> > To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Usefulness of DNA > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:20:14 -0500 > > Might I add that the AWESOME job that Roy has done in compiling the DNA > results and the resultant chart for the Pace project, with explanatory > notes, helps immensely in understanding. I'm a proxy-member of another > surname project and the Pace chart blows the others out of the water. We're > fortunate to have someone who keeps it up like this. (Besides, it's real > purty :-) Thanks, Roy, for all your efforts. - Joyce H. > > > royj@webster.edu wrote: > > > > > If you understand how DNA works and what its limits > > are it can be a help. It is > > better at disproving than at proving, but it can > > support documentary evidence. > > Look at the DNA chart > > (http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/results.htm) and see > > how > > consistently the John of Middlesex Pace descendents > > (group 2) match each other > > but NOT the Jamestown area Pace descendents (3a and > > 3b), but notice how > > consistently those Paces match each other. If this > > isn't helpful data, I don't > > know what is. > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. Please include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the message to PACE-L@rootsweb.com > > __________ NOD32 1.1683 (20060728) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Genealogy DNA is relative new, Like anything it does take some time to review results and the More DNA done sure helps the History results, I have been Lucky to get Roys opinion, Rebecca Christiansen and Joe Anderson opinion .....They understand DNA far more than I do.. as Science was not one of my achievements. Roy Johnson DNA site is wonderful... so much better than Most sites ... I am so proud of it, I have my Hopkins line and Stone Lines ck it out so they can set it up kinda like it so those people can understand DNA better ...They still do not report as Roy does to Pace mailing lists new results coming in... which would be helpful, but as Roy says at time he does not have the time he need as he is taking care of ill person so hurts his time on DNA .. but we all understand and wish the best for him...... No DNA does not give me exactly who I descend from, but a general Idea , but I wanted to help with this new DNA research, and so I decided to get some of my related families to have DNA done one was brother of My Gr Grandfather and I searched until I found one who would qualify & do DNA.. His (Kit # 53888 ) matches up exactly with my results (MyKit # 13827) Which Tells us for sure Richmond Pace was father of both those boys as I knew they were , Now I am eagerly awaiting Results on a Kit ????.. who I am sure John Pace is brother of My Richmond Pace and almost sure DNA will prove this up as Documentation shows brothers ..at the most it could be off one marker on Marker 2, which just might agree with Kit # 7791 which possibly is a Brother of Richmond Pace but we had no proof ...That DNA should be out at least by 2nd week in Aug if not before...and Kit #10683 is exact Match with Kit # 7791 and one marker off from my Kit 13827 so perhaps Kit 7791 & Kit 10683 Descend from Brothers of one another and have the same father Which would be William Pace & Secely Walker ...So I am eagerly awaiting the New Kit # to come out...I am told if agrees exactly with my Kit then Kit 7791 is not a brother of my Richmond Pace, Just some how related ... We all Have opinions and at first when I had DNA done I was a bit disappointed it did not tell me exactly who I decend from, but I am excited abt my abv DNA information ..... If you Qualify want DNA done and feel Price to expensive the Pace site has indeed helped some of us that could not afford to have it done ...As we all donate a bit ..I tend to donate to the NC Pace's especially the 3bGreen.. but if you need help or feel too expensive ...I will gladly donate some to your DNA even tho its Middlesex Pace line, it will help the History of DNA for every DNA done...So have your DNA done if you Qualify... and hope it shows something that might help.you get excited about DNA as I am now.. I remain Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <Atpowelljr@aol.com> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: [PACE-L] RE-D. N. A. & GETTING A REPLY > Cousin Roy IF you will note I STATED that no doubt D. N. A. > Serves a Purpose. What bothers me is the <UO-AH-UR> That every time I see a > question asked: NOW; That <UO-AH-UR> is the noise an expert Makes when the > Expert Finds Both Feet in their Mouth. >

Might I add that the AWESOME job that Roy has done in compiling the DNA results and the resultant chart for the Pace project, with explanatory notes, helps immensely in understanding. I'm a proxy-member of another surname project and the Pace chart blows the others out of the water. We're fortunate to have someone who keeps it up like this. (Besides, it's real purty :-) Thanks, Roy, for all your efforts. - Joyce H. royj@webster.edu wrote: > > If you understand how DNA works and what its limits > are it can be a help. It is > better at disproving than at proving, but it can > support documentary evidence. > Look at the DNA chart > (http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/results.htm) and see > how > consistently the John of Middlesex Pace descendents > (group 2) match each other > but NOT the Jamestown area Pace descendents (3a and > 3b), but notice how > consistently those Paces match each other. If this > isn't helpful data, I don't > know what is.

royj@webster.edu wrote: > > If you understand how DNA works and what its limits > are it can be a help. It is > better at disproving than at proving, but it can > support documentary evidence. > Look at the DNA chart > (http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/results.htm) and see > how > consistently the John of Middlesex Pace descendents > (group 2) match each other > but NOT the Jamestown area Pace descendents (3a and > 3b), but notice how > consistently those Paces match each other. If this > isn't helpful data, I don't > know what is. Hear, hear. I'm sure I'm not the only descendant of Richard Pace (d. NC 1738) who was delighted (and relieved) to see actual genetic confirmation of the documentation. It shows there has been no misinterpretation of the records. And the John of Middlesex result seems a really classic example of how DNA results can be combined WITH documentation to reveal a past which otherwise might never have been uncovered or suspected. Pity we can't search out the bones of Richard Pace of Jamestown and see who (if anybody) matches 25/25. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Cousin Roy IF you will note I STATED that no doubt D. N. A. Serves a Purpose. What bothers me is the <UO-AH-UR> That every time I see a question asked: NOW; That <UO-AH-UR> is the noise an expert Makes when the Expert Finds Both Feet in their Mouth. It would seem, now that the D. N. A. is showing that OUR Middlesex Pace's; < Of which I Descend> & the Pace's Of Cann: Are Connected. To find more proof of connection the point to Look would be the Port from which The two Groups of Pace's Boarded their Ship, Of Course<??> They could have come over on the Same Ship, BUT, as OUR John Pace Family Settled in Middlesex County Va & Gordon Pace's Family Wound up in Cann. More than Likely they were on Different BOATS. I found My Connection to the Pace's in Middlesex County Va Some time ago Marrying into the Johnson Family & that information has Satisfied My Close Cousins & I. From Middlesex County, Va to Goochland, Albemarle, Amherst & Nelson County, Va. on down here to Richmond, Va. OUR Johnson's with Pace Connection's are Very well Recorded from Middlesex County To Here, West Va. & Pa. Col. Fla. To the American Embassy in Mexico, Along with one of the Johnson's being I.D.ed By the Nick Name of LYING WILL Johnson, He was the Brother to one of my Grt Grand Mother's. YOUR/THE D. N. A. being used to <Disprove> SEEMS right expensive & a FER piece to go to Come up with MOTHING In disproving a Family Connection to some BOZO that one would not Care to Know, Let alone Be Related too. THAT is ABT like; I check the OBITS each Night in Roanoke & Lynchburg Va. < OH I did locate a Sister of my Wife's Last year that has worked out Fine> BUT I find Name that Match Some of My Families, & learn that they are of another RACE, by Checking the Funeral Home. ONE question: I see abt there Being so many Generation's in 3 or 500 Years_____????. TAKE Daniel Johnson M To Agnes in Middlesex Co Va. 1674,--?? five Generations Latter, To George Rodney Johnson, <MY 2nd Grt Grand Father> Born in 1819 = 145 Years, THEN Rodney's Dau, Born in 1859 five Generations To My Son Born in 1945 = 86 Years, From My Mother B. in 1906 to my Grt Grand Daughter Born in 1986 = 80 YEARS/ NOW there are 12 Generation's in 340 YEARS A bit Better than 28 years to the Generation; 28 Years to the Generation, 500 Years would be ABT 17 Generations, NOW realy Just how Many Family Records does any one Believe go That Far, < NOTE; I SAID <Just How MANY Family Records go that Far. YES, I Know that I have one Family Research that Claims to go to 435 B. C. While I am flabbergasted to Go back to 1650 in that Family, Which is very well PROVEN. SO Johnson, Pace, Newsome, Houchens AND Allen Scott Monroe who ever he maybe, THANKS for all of the effort and please Keep me informed as to Family information obtained From where & How. CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

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