I'm not quite sure I understand the two posts suggesting improvements in DNA testing and asking about the cost of reports. Forgive me if I am wrong, but the questions may stem from a misunderstanding of how DNA testing works and what can be done now. First of all, genealogical DNA testing is done by private for-profit companies. Getting them to share results is like getting General Motors and Ford to use interchangeable parts because it would make it easier for consumers to get repairs. Or maybe like getting different prescription drug companies to share the formula for their patented drugs. Cost of reports? Why can't you just print your report out and send it to as many people as you want? On FTDNA, our sponsor, you have a personal page with your results. You could print that page, or cut and paste the results to a word processing program (like Microsoft Word) and print as many as you want. Just go to familytreeDNA.com, put in the name of the study (Pace) and your kit number. Joe Anderson has given a good explanation of why it wouldn't help for different lines to share results. You get your DNA from all of your ancestors, but for most types of DNA, there's no way of telling which ancestor. Let's say you have blue eyes and blond hair. You may be able to guess which side of the family your blue eyes and blond hair came from, but only for the generations that you know. Further back, they could come from anywhere. You have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents, and that keeps doubling so that ten generations back you have 1024 ancestors. Which one passed the blond hair and blue eyes genes to you? Impossible to tell. However, as Joe has explained, two kinds of DNA can be traced--yDNA using the Y chromosome because it passes only male to male, and mtDNA, mitrochondrial DNA (which for clarity I call maternal DNA) passes from a mother to all of her children but only the females pass it on. I'll use myself as an example. My mother was a Pace; my father a Johnson. I have had my DNA tested on the Johnson study on FTDNA, but that would have no relationship at all to my Pace ancestry, so what good would sharing the results do? I have a good paper trail back to John of Middlesex but no way to prove it out by DNA as my mother's Pace line has died out. She had one brother and he is deceased, and there are no other close male relatives. So the best I can do is to ASSUME my paper records are accurate and ASSUME the extremely consistent results on that line would be what my uncle would get if the tested. I will never be able to validate that assumption with DNA. If I tested my maternal DNA, that would go back up my mother's female line. My mother was Ena Pace. Her mother was Mary nee Bottom; Mary's mother was a Burnside, and that's as far as I know. If I found someone else whose maternal line went to Burnside, we could both test to see if we have a common female ancestor. But as you can see, the mtDNA test is less useful in genealogy because the name changes with marriage. Incidentally--searching the Internet for the Bottom surname was interesting. I think I hit every pornography site in existence. I do have another idea. Joe has been having problems getting his results from another company to be used by FTDNA. If the markers that they use are the same, and if Joe would send me the results from the other company and I could match them up, I could include them on the Results page regardless of whether the companies would exchange data or not. The Pace DNA pages are on our own server, not controlled in any way by FTDNA. Can you do that, Joe? Roy Johnson DNA coordinator

I'm not quite sure I understand the two posts suggesting improvements in DNA testing and asking about the cost of reports. Forgive me if I am wrong, but the questions may stem from a misunderstanding of how DNA testing works and what can be done now. First of all, genealogical DNA testing is done by private for-profit companies. Getting them to share results is like getting General Motors and Ford to use interchangeable parts because it would make it easier for consumers to get repairs. Or maybe like getting different prescription drug companies to share the formula for their patented drugs. Cost of reports? Why can't you just print your report out and send it to as many people as you want? On FTDNA, our sponsor, you have a personal page with your results. You could print that page, or cut and paste the results to a word processing program (like Microsoft Word) and print as many as you want. Just go to familytreeDNA.com, put in the name of the study (Pace) and your kit number. Joe Anderson has given a good explanation of why it wouldn't help for different lines to share results. You get your DNA from all of your ancestors, but for most types of DNA, there's no way of telling which ancestor. Let's say you have blue eyes and blond hair. You may be able to guess which side of the family your blue eyes and blond hair came from, but only for the generations that you know. Further back, they could come from anywhere. You have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents, and that keeps doubling so that ten generations back you have 1024 ancestors. Which one passed the blond hair and blue eyes genes to you? Impossible to tell. However, as Joe has explained, two kinds of DNA can be traced--yDNA using the Y chromosome because it passes only male to male, and mtDNA, mitrochondrial DNA (which for clarity I call maternal DNA) passes from a mother to all of her children but only the females pass it on. I'll use myself as an example. My mother was a Pace; my father a Johnson. I have had my DNA tested on the Johnson study on FTDNA, but that would have no relationship at all to my Pace ancestry, so what good would sharing the results do? I have a good paper trail back to John of Middlesex but no way to prove it out by DNA as my mother's Pace line has died out. She had one brother and he is deceased, and there are no other close male relatives. So the best I can do is to ASSUME my paper records are accurate and ASSUME the extremely consistent results on that line would be what my uncle would get if the tested. I will never be able to validate that assumption with DNA. If I tested my maternal DNA, that would go back up my mother's female line. My mother was Ena Pace. Her mother was Mary nee Bottom; Mary's mother was a Burnside, and that's as far as I know. If I found someone else whose maternal line went to Burnside, we could both test to see if we have a common female ancestor. But as you can see, the mtDNA test is less useful in genealogy because the name changes with marriage. Incidentally--searching the Internet for the Bottom surname was interesting. I think I hit every pornography site in existence. I do have another idea. Joe has been having problems getting his results from another company to be used by FTDNA. If the markers that they use are the same, and if Joe would send me the results from the other company and I could match them up, I could include them on the Results page regardless of whether the companies would exchange data or not. The Pace DNA pages are on our own server, not controlled in any way by FTDNA. Can you do that, Joe? Roy Johnson DNA coordinator

On reviewing some of the treads on this list a question comes to mind, what is an Ancestor anyway? Are we looking for the DNA ancestor or our historical ancestor? Should someone who is adopted at birth be looking for their biological or adopted line? I believe DNA can take us only so far. I am more interested in the history of my family, rather than who slept with who. I am from the John of Middlesex line. I am interested in Jamestown because of my Rolfe line. I enjoy the discussions on this list and consider all of the Paces as my adopted family. The people on this list are by far and away the best genealogist of any list I belong to, and I belong to a lot of them. My DNA does no good to the Pace line as I am a Bailey and my mother a Christy. I believe it is important to do the DNA studies as it is leaving something for the future. Today's DNA studies are like Headstones. Important information for the future. People spend thousands on tombstones that fade away. DNA is forever. Jeff Bailey Gladstone, Missouri

  LORDY COUSIN SUE,    WE know that you are Correct & right, too, BUT IZ ya gona git trashed talking abt em Piosed Cousins so P. C. Incorrect, BUT right on CUZ.   Not one of those that will have something Smart to say abt US that had anything to do with SELECTING, our OR Their Ancestors Than we did< 000> BUT they are going to come back at you. People are so quick to sweep, questionable information under the RUG, NEVER thinking just What MIGHT could have   BEEN the circumstance at that time & place.   WE had a couple of wars here in the US, NOW lets get real,   After WW1-WW2 Europe & Japan, Korea, Nam, Afgh. Iraq, ONE thinks that a QUESTION ?? Concerning one of our Ancestors,   JUST what  kind of genealogical JUNGELL does one envision in   the Countries, <THATS RIGHT> OUR American Soldiers were in   NOW a moral STATEMENT here, <IF THEY> JUST DON'T say it   YES I know that our Self righteous, are going to boil over,  a Candy bar would open doors after the war, When I got to Germany in 1951 it had gotten up to the price of a 4oz jar of NESS CAFEE, THERE is ONLY hope that OUR country will never have another WAR, I hate to think what the going Price would be in this country IF it was Crushed like Germany, YEA I CAN hear   NOW <AU-AH-ER> That is the Noise heard when a perfectness finds BOTH FEET in their Mouth, WHO knows?? that Ancestor that is being Swept under the RUG, < Mama could have been raped, with the ANTI Abortionist Ideas to day she would be expected to carry it to term AND ADOPT it out, Now YA don't want to dream of that poor Soul,s Descendants Trying to   DO a Genealogical Search, SO Cousins Just Dispense with the <AU-AH-ER> & please try to understand What this REAL WORLD has for us to Accept, THANK  the POWER that be, I have not knowingly Left any one back in my 80 Year Life With a Genealogical Brick wall, at least That is my Greatest HOPE.   CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

Sorry about the previous message. I hit the send button by accident. Roy, thanks for the explanation. I can see that "the orphan" could mean "the heir", and might not exclude the possibility of other children. I will rephrase: Richard and Isabella had one child that we know of -- George. George and Sarah had one child that we know of -- Richard. Richard and Mary had one child that we know of -- sex and name unknown. Is anything known for certain about the one child that we know Richard and Mary had? Or is this where the proven paper trail from Richard and Isabella ends? James James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- roy.w.johnson@att.net wrote: > I do not agree that this record proves that George > has only one son. Neither did Ruth Clark or Bruce > Howard. > > It's a matter of grammar. "the orpan Richard Pace" > does not necessarily mean that he was the only > orpahn, only that he was the one who inherited the > estate. > > If my preacher mentions "the apostle Peter" in a > sermon it does not mean that there was only one > apostle. Suppose there was a brother Robert. > Grammatically I could say "the orphan Richard Pace > inherited the properrty; his brother the orphan > Robert Pace received nothing." The use of "the" > only means that the noun (Richard Pace) is a > singular noun, not that there are no others. > > It has been suggested by genealogists and is > possible that some of the Paces who moved to NC were > the offspring of George. It could be possible in my > opinion. > > Roy Johnson > > > -------------- Original message from James Blair > <jnb05042000@yahoo.com>: -------------- > > > > Richard and Isabella Pace: one son, George > > > > George and Sarah [Maycock] Pace: one son, Richard. > > > > > Richard and Mary Pace: apparently, one child, > name, > > sex and date of birth unknown. This is from the > > record dated 15 Apr 1676 in which Thomas Douglas > and ? > > Jordan are appointed to appraise the estate of > Richard > > Pace "in behalf of the orphan". > > > > Any further information about this orphan? Thanks > for > > any assistance. > > > > James > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > > If you haven't done so within the last six months, > please post a message > > describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you > descend from them. Please > > include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. > Send the message to > > PACE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to > PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word > message: subscribe OR unsubscribe > For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

>Incidentally--searching the Internet for the Bottom surname was >interesting. I think I hit every pornography site in existence. And I thought it was frustrating to search for my HEADs! Janet

Web Master Gordon Pace what is your Email.?. I am sorry I get you and Gordon Pace of Canada confused, I will note in my email in future,Gordon web master and Gordon Canada Then should be no more Confusion for me.. Something I should have done long ago ..... Thanks Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <Atpowelljr@aol.com> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: [PACE-L] THIS FITS MORE FAMILY ??? THAN MOST POSTS PLEASE READ CUZ A. T. > LORDY COUSIN SUE, > > WE know that you are Correct & right, too, BUT IZ ya gona git trashed > talking abt em Piosed Cousins so P. C. Incorrect, BUT > right on CUZ. > Not one of those that will have something Smart to say abt US > that had anything to do with SELECTING, our OR Their Ancestors Than we did< > 000> BUT they are going to come back at you. People are so quick to sweep, > questionable information > under the RUG, NEVER thinking just What MIGHT could have > BEEN the circumstance at that time & place. > > WE had a couple of wars here in the US, NOW lets get real, > After WW1-WW2 Europe & Japan, Korea, Nam, Afgh. Iraq, ONE thinks that a > QUESTION ?? Concerning one of our Ancestors, > JUST what kind of genealogical JUNGELL does one envision in > the Countries, <THATS RIGHT> OUR American Soldiers were in > NOW a moral STATEMENT here, <IF THEY> JUST DON'T say it > YES I know that our Self righteous, are going to boil over, a Candy bar > would open doors after the war, When I got to Germany in 1951 it had gotten up > to the price of a 4oz jar of NESS CAFEE, THERE is ONLY hope that OUR country > will never have another WAR, I hate to think what the going Price would be in > this country IF it was Crushed like Germany, YEA I CAN hear > NOW <AU-AH-ER> That is the Noise heard when a perfectness finds BOTH FEET > in their Mouth, WHO knows?? that Ancestor that is being Swept under the RUG, < > Mama could have been raped, with the ANTI Abortionist Ideas to day she would be > expected to carry it to term AND ADOPT it out, Now YA don't want to dream of > that poor Soul,s Descendants Trying to > DO a Genealogical Search, SO Cousins Just Dispense with the <AU-AH-ER> & > please try to understand What this REAL WORLD has for us to Accept, THANK the > POWER that be, I have not knowingly Left any one back in my 80 Year Life With a > Genealogical Brick wall, at least That is my Greatest HOPE. > > CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com> > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word message: subscribe OR unsubscribe > For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > __________ NOD32 1.1685 (20060731) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Ah the Pace list is such fun. I'm not really sure whats even being discussed any longer, but I have to congratulate A. T. on the most unusual capitalization practices I've ever seen. :) --- Atpowelljr@aol.com wrote: >   LORDY COUSIN SUE, > >    WE know that you are Correct & right, too, BUT IZ > ya gona git trashed > talking abt em Piosed Cousins so P. C. Incorrect, > BUT > right on CUZ. >   Not one of those that will have something Smart to > say abt US > that had anything to do with SELECTING, our OR Their > Ancestors Than we did< > 000> BUT they are going to come back at you. People > are so quick to sweep, > questionable information > under the RUG, NEVER thinking just What MIGHT could > have >   BEEN the circumstance at that time & place. > >   WE had a couple of wars here in the US, NOW lets > get real, >   After WW1-WW2 Europe & Japan, Korea, Nam, Afgh. > Iraq, ONE thinks that a > QUESTION ?? Concerning one of our Ancestors, >   JUST what  kind of genealogical JUNGELL does one > envision in >   the Countries, <THATS RIGHT> OUR American Soldiers > were in >   NOW a moral STATEMENT here, <IF THEY> JUST DON'T > say it >   YES I know that our Self righteous, are going to > boil over,  a Candy bar > would open doors after the war, When I got to > Germany in 1951 it had gotten up > to the price of a 4oz jar of NESS CAFEE, THERE is > ONLY hope that OUR country > will never have another WAR, I hate to think what > the going Price would be in > this country IF it was Crushed like Germany, YEA I > CAN hear >   NOW <AU-AH-ER> That is the Noise heard when a > perfectness finds BOTH FEET > in their Mouth, WHO knows?? that Ancestor that is > being Swept under the RUG, < > Mama could have been raped, with the ANTI > Abortionist Ideas to day she would be > expected to carry it to term AND ADOPT it out, Now > YA don't want to dream of > that poor Soul,s Descendants Trying to >   DO a Genealogical Search, SO Cousins Just Dispense > with the <AU-AH-ER> & > please try to understand What this REAL WORLD has > for us to Accept, THANK  the > POWER that be, I have not knowingly Left any one > back in my 80 Year Life With a > Genealogical Brick wall, at least That is my > Greatest HOPE. > >   CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com> > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to > PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word > message: subscribe OR unsubscribe > For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

yDNA results reflect only the paternal line (male to male to male, etc) and so would be relevant to only that line. There is a danger in assuming that the Y profile of a cousin is the same as your own, since the risk of a non-paternal event increases with the number of births that separate you and the cousin. Mutations do occur in the Y chromosome markers, so multiple samples may be needed in order to predict the Y profile of a distant male ancestor. The mutations are random events and yDNA usage in genetic genealogy becomes an exercise in statistical probabilities. The more data points (yDNA samples) that you have, the more reliable the prediction. I had a 26 marker test done on my Y last spring by Relative Genetics for $99. To get that price, I sent in a DNA sample to Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, along with a 4 generation family tree. In return, they sent me a $50 coupon for either the yDNA or mtDNA (female line) test. But FTDNA seems to have a monopoly on surname projects, and I haven't been able to persuade the Anderson project to use my results, though 21 of my Relative Genetics markers match the FTDNA markers. No other Anderson cousins in my known line have had the yDNA analysis done, so I need several more samples before I can predict the Y profile of Jonathan Anderson who died in Marengo Co, AL, in 1836. It was probably very like my own, and maybe exactly like mine. Unless Grandma got too friendly with the preacher way back then. You never know - even in the best of families . . . . Joe Anderson ----Original Message Follows---- From: cec@imagesverite.com To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] DNA Testing Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Hello, I have several lines that are doing DNA testing to determine linage paths. And, although I have heard that the tests are 'relatively' inexpensive (when compared to what they used to cost! Still, a major expense for my genealogy budget), it would be wonderful if the different DNA projects could use the same test results. So, my questions are: Can my different lines share the results? Is there an added expense to do that? In other words, do the results have to come from the lab itself, or can you send copies of the report and still be part of the study? If they are required to come from the lab, does the lab charge for each report sent? Thanks for your input, Cec Barton My Line: Wm(sn) & Mary > Elisha & Martha > Wm & Sarah > Elisha & Martha > James David & Mary > Sarah Pace & Ben Bolter > Rose & Benj. Harrison Barton > Roy Barton & Joanne Armstrong > then me

Hello, I have several lines that are doing DNA testing to determine linage paths. And, although I have heard that the tests are 'relatively' inexpensive (when compared to what they used to cost! Still, a major expense for my genealogy budget), it would be wonderful if the different DNA projects could use the same test results. So, my questions are: Can my different lines share the results? Is there an added expense to do that? In other words, do the results have to come from the lab itself, or can you send copies of the report and still be part of the study? If they are required to come from the lab, does the lab charge for each report sent? Thanks for your input, Cec Barton My Line: Wm(sn) & Mary > Elisha & Martha > Wm & Sarah > Elisha & Martha > James David & Mary > Sarah Pace & Ben Bolter > Rose & Benj. Harrison Barton > Roy Barton & Joanne Armstrong > then me

WHAT I had in mind was to take the test as Now for as many Cousins as possible, THE data center would work like just for reference, The Results from many Families would be Stored & future Cousins would only have to request info from one POINT. AN information POINT, LIKE now DO YOU KNOW Where or how many places you will have to go NOW, to try to find your Family D. N. A. INFORMATION????. With a central POINT for D. N. A. data, that INFO search could be done in Minutes & with multiple Families the cost would be much less for the INFO, After the Test Person Mailed their Results to the Center. <??? > Comment . CUZ A T < atpowelljr@aol.com> <????>

Richard and Isabella Pace: one son, George George and Sarah [Maycock] Pace: one son, Richard. Richard and Mary Pace: apparently, one child, name, sex and date of birth unknown. This is from the record dated 15 Apr 1676 in which Thomas Douglas and ? Jordan are appointed to appraise the estate of Richard Pace "in behalf of the orphan". Any further information about this orphan? Thanks for any assistance. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

It seems that no one has found any evidence to corroborate the statement in the Barnabas Pace letter that Richard Pace married an Elizabeth Cain. It seems also that no one has been able to identify a suitable "Elizabeth Cain" who might have been available for Richard Pace to marry. Thanks to those who emailed me. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks to Rebecca for setting me straight. I haven't had time to check everything or check the discussion on that list. I am at the Missouri Rehab Center where my mother in law is being given therapy to get her to walk again (with assistance and with walker) so we can take her home and not put her in a nursing home. She has spent much of July in hospitals. Fortunately each place has had Wi-Fi and I can take along my laptop and hook up from the hospital, so I can at least keep up with Pace-L and postings. I made the necessary correction on the Pace DNA web site. Roy Johnson

--- James Blair <jnb05042000@yahoo.com> wrote: > My Pace line is proved back as > far > as Richard Pace and Elizabeth Cain. I should say, it is proved back as far as the Richard Pace who is said to have married Elizabeth Cain. There seems to be no primary proof that the wife of Richard Pace d. abt 1775 was Elizabeth Cain. Or perhaps it exists and I have been unable to locate it. The only source I can find mentioned is the Barnabas Pace letter. Does anyone know of any proof of this marriage, or proof that a suitable Elizabeth Cain was present in the area at around the time Richard Pace is presumed to have married (abt 1723)? Thanks to anyone who can put me right on this. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

The group pricing still exists when a group administrator places an order from the project page or a current group participant upgrades. The group pricing is as follows and still includes the 25 marker test. Y-DNA12: 12 Marker Test $99 Y-DNA 25: 25 Marker Test $148 Y-DNA37: 37 Markers Test $189 Y-DNA67: 67 marker test $269 Y-Refine 12to25 *** $49 Y-Refine12to37 * $99 Y-Refine 12 to 67 ** $189 Y-Refine 25 to 37 ** $49 Y-Refine 25 to 67 ** $148 Y-Refine 37to67 *** $99 The pricing below is for people not part of a group project. Rebecca Christensen royj@webster.edu wrote: I don't recall receiving any email announcement of a change in pricing, but when I check the price section of FTDNA, I find the following: Y-DNA12: 12 Marker Test $149 Y-DNA37: 37 Markers Test $259 Y-DNA67: 67 Markers Test $349 Y-Refine12to37 * $109 Y-Refine12to67 ** $199 Y-Refine37to67 *** $109 I think the increaset price of the 12 marker test and the elimination of 25 marker test is going to discourage a lot of people from doing DNA. I have emailed FTDNA about this; have heard nothing. Roy Johnson ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com

I don't recall receiving any email announcement of a change in pricing, but when I check the price section of FTDNA, I find the following: Y-DNA12: 12 Marker Test $149 Y-DNA37: 37 Markers Test $259 Y-DNA67: 67 Markers Test $349 Y-Refine12to37 * $109 Y-Refine12to67 ** $199 Y-Refine37to67 *** $109 I think the increaset price of the 12 marker test and the elimination of 25 marker test is going to discourage a lot of people from doing DNA. I have emailed FTDNA about this; have heard nothing. Roy Johnson

Thank you, but no. My Pace line is proved back as far as Richard Pace and Elizabeth Cain. This thread is about the wife of Richard Pace b. abt 1638, who may or may not have been the grandfather of the Richard Pace who was married to Elizabeth Cain. As far as I'm aware, no one can prove descent back this far, but it's still interesting to consider the possibilities. For the sake of clarity, and for anyone searching this forum in future, I will recap. The wife of this Richard was named Mary, but her surname is unknown. Because of the deed of gift from Richard Baker to Richard Pace (1665), it has been speculated that Richard Baker might have had a daughter and if he did have a daughter she might have been named Mary, and Richard Pace might have married her. But now it seems that Richard Baker's wife Ann was married previously, and had a son from that previous marriage. The son's age is not given, but it does raise the possibility that IF there was a daughter at all, she could have been Richard Baker's stepdaughter rather than his daughter. So...would Richard Baker have deeded land to Richard Pace because of the marriage of his stepdaughter, without mentioning in the deed that that was the reason for the gift? And a couple of months later he dies leaving his wife unprovided for? For me, it doesn't hang together. The deed of gift could have been for some entirely different purpose (debt of honour, perhaps? paying it off before he dies?). And we don't even know if Richard Baker had a daughter or step-daughter. Personally I feel it is not good practice to "invent" possible ancestors. Consequently I prefer to leave the wife of this Richard Pace as "Mary [unknown]". I hope that explains it. Thank you for your kind offer of assistance. James --- BetinFL@aol.com wrote: > Are you trying to prove your line? Do you need > help? > Best regards, > Betty Morgan > BetinFL@aol.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Likewise. James --- Janders 45 <janders45@hotmail.com> wrote: > Sometimes I think that I am following a thread, but > then I realize that I've > missed something. I hope that my earlier post was > complimentary to the DNA > page, as I think that it is very well done, but I > didn't really know that I > was defending anyone as I didn't realize that anyone > was being attacked. I > thought that I was in a discussion about the merits > of genetic genealogy in > general and the Pace yDNA project specifically. > There was a post that > seemed to be disparaging the value of the yDNA > project. I didn't agree and > entered a contrary opinion. > > I wasn't aware of any attacking or defending going > on - I thought that it > was a simple discussion about the general merits of > DNA in genealogy > research. > > Joe Anderson > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can > post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, > Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com