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    1. Re: [PACE-L] RE- WHO WAS GRAND PA'S MAMA???
    2. I didn't mention any names in my previous e mail about not knowing my birth G Grandmother because it wasn't a Pace. It was on my Williams side. Julie In a message dated 8/1/2006 1:39:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, Atpowelljr@aol.com writes: CUZ, Now if ya was to , Give the name of Your Grt Grand Father, & Just ANYTHING about his Like Any Dates & Perhaps where he Came from into Texas. YA neva Know just who might have A bit on da old Grt Grand PA. LIKE What else do you know abt the Second <Cousin> WIFE?? & WHERE IN the lone STAR?? in 1902?? CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

    08/01/2006 02:31:02
    1. Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..."
    2. Mr John Pace
    3. I have nothing on the transportation of Richard Pace but found this interesting tidbit about William Corker Summary Transcripts of papers, 1654-1712, concerning Smith's Fort, property owned by the Rolfe family in Surry County, Virginia, containing of deeds, depositions, judgments, and photographs consisting of an abstract of a deed, 10 June 1654, for 150 acres in Surry County, from Thomas Rolfe (b. 1615) to William Corker, who assigned it to William Barber, 22 August 1654, who assigned it to Roger Gilbert and Christopher Mitchell, 1 December 1654, Mitchell assigned his interest to Gilbert, 10 June 1657; depositions, 5 March 1677/8, of Richard Tyas (b. ca. 1629) and Thomas Pittman, Sr. (b. ca. 1615) concerning the sale of Smith's Fort by Thomas Rolfe to Thomas Warren (or Waring) and Warren's construction of the house on the property, the depositions were recorded 19 March 1677/8; judgment, 17 December 1712, in suit of ejectment brought by Solomon Saveall against Samuel Thompson in the Surry County Court, which notes the land formerly belonged to Chief Powhatan (ca. 1550-1618) who gave it to John Rolfe (1585-1622) who had married Powhatan's daughter Pocahontas (1595-1617); photograph, n.d., of Smith's Fort, noted as the oldest brick house in Virginia and dated 1653. The deed and assignments are recorded in Surry County Deeds, Wills, etc. 1671-1684, 2, pp. 54-55. The depositions are recorded in Surry County Deeds, Wills, etc., 2, 1671-1684, pp. 166-167. The judgment is recorded in Surry County Orders, 1691-1713, p. 409. Cite As Rolfe family. Surry County Records, 1654-1712. Accession 19977. Personal papers collection. The Library of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia. John Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: <roy.w.johnson@att.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..." > > > -------------- Original message from gnlgy458 > <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk>: -------------- > > >> >> Also: in 1660 William Corker receives 1250 acres in York County for >> transportation of 25 people into the colony. One of these 25 is a Richard >> Pace. >> > > We MUST document this piece of inromation--this is perhaps THE most > important piece of Pace information since we found that John of Middlesex > is not related to the North Carolina Paces. This could throw a number of > prior assumptions into a cocked hat--and it might upset a lot of people > who think they can trace to Richard of Jamestown, as now we have another > Richard who could be an ancestor. > > The ONLY evidence that we have that the North Carolina Paces are > descendents of Richard of Jamestown is the Winnifred Aycock Lane letter > (three versions of it are on the Pace Network--we don't even have the > original), and the fact that the Paces of North Carolina have the same > names as those in her letter. We have assumed they must be the offspring > of Richard of Jamestown because we had no other candidates for any other > Richards or anyone else who could be their parents except "Richard II" > (Richard-George-Richard). Now we do. Just glancing at the donors page, I > see that at least some of the Paces of NC were born AFTER 1660 and could > be the sons of this Richard rather than "Richard II". Ruth Keyes Clark > has said that she found evidence of at least two, and maybe three, Richard > Paces in early Virginia who could have gone to North Carolina themself or > could have sired those who did. Now we may know who one of them is. > > I have not had time to build a careful timeline of when the North Carolina > Paces probably migrated, or what their ages were compared to this Richard, > but I can see immediately that they are contemporary. > > Please tell us where you got this fantastic piece of evidence! > > Roy Johnson > >>--------------------------------- >> Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to >> use" - >> The Wall Street Journal >> >> >> ==== PACE Mailing List ==== >> To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list >> (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, >> reply to >> sender. >> > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message > describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. > Please include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the > message to PACE-L@rootsweb.com > >

    08/01/2006 02:28:55
    1. Re: [PACE-L] William Corker headright grant
    2. Rebecca Christensen
    3. While this is being discussed, it should be remembered that this transcription does not imply that Richard Pace was transported into the colony in 1660 nor does it mean that Richard Pace lived in in York County nor does it give us any indication of Richard Pace's age, nor does it indicate that this Richard Pace was even living in 1660. It also doesn't mean that all 25 people came into the colony at the same time. The below is stating that in 1660 William Corker received land that happens to be located in York County (the location of the land - not necessarily Richard Pace's location). William Corker was submitting his paperwork for the transportation of a Richard Pace into the colony at some time before 1660. This Richard Pace could have come 20 years earlier, for example. We have no way of knowing when he came to the colony other than it was sometime before 1660. Rebecca Christensen gnlgy458 <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Also: in 1660 William Corker receives 1250 acres in York County for transportation of 25 people into the colony. One of these 25 is a Richard Pace.

    07/31/2006 11:55:35
    1. The name "Richard"
    2. James Blair
    3. One of the most striking features of the Pace family history, as it is so often presented, is the recurrence of the name "Richard Pace", apparently in successive generations. It's almost hypnotic. But when you look at it closely, Richard Pace and Isabella had a son named "George", not "Richard". Did they also have a son named "Richard", who died or disappeared? We don't know. It shouldn't be assumed. George Pace may well have been named after Richard Pace's father. Then George Pace had a son, and named him Richard -- presumably after his father. That son, Richard Pace, had at least one child but we don't know its name. Richard Pace of Bertie County, on the other hand, did indeed name his eldest son "Richard". But that son doesn't seem to have named a son "Richard". So was it only Richard Pace d. 1738 who we know for sure named his eldest son Richard? That's the way it looks to me. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    07/31/2006 11:34:34
    1. Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..."
    2. James Blair
    3. I've read the Aycock letter (numerous versions) several times and I can't see anything to link Richard Pace of Bertie County with Richard Pace of Jamestown. The statements in the letter are consistent with the supposition that Richard Pace of Bertie County came from Virginia, but that was always going to be likely. It doesn't offer any clues as to who his father was. I must admit I'm quite surprised it seems to have been accepted as some kind of proof of a link. Personally I think letters and such like can be useful for clues but can't be relied on if the primary evidence is not there to confirm what is said in the letter. And if the primary evidence IS there, then once it has been identified, the letter is not needed. In this case, the primary evidence is not there, it seems. Happy to be corrected if I am mistaken. James --- roy.w.johnson@att.net wrote: > > The ONLY evidence that we have that the North > Carolina Paces are descendents of Richard of > Jamestown is the Winnifred Aycock Lane letter (three > versions of it are on the Pace Network--we don't > even have the original), and the fact that the Paces > of North Carolina have the same names as those in > her letter. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    07/31/2006 11:10:32
    1. Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..."
    2. James Blair
    3. I don't know enough about these things to have an opinion as to whether we can draw any firm conclusions about "the orphan" from the fact that the administrators of the estate were still being brought to court in 1692. Perhaps someone else can comment. It does seem interesting that this estate keeps coming up in the court records again and again during the widow's marriage to William Briscoe. Debts owed by Richard Pace, perhaps? None of the court cases seem to refer to a son/daughter who has inherited or is due to inherit; it's always between the administrator and some other claimant. One would have to see the original to know for sure, but I suspect that if a Pace heir were named in any of these Briscoe court cases, it would not have been overlooked by previous researchers. Yrs, James James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    07/31/2006 10:21:59
    1. RE- WHO WAS GRAND PA'S MAMA???
    2. CUZ, Now if ya was to , Give the name of Your Grt Grand Father, & Just ANYTHING about his Like Any Dates & Perhaps where he Came from into Texas. YA neva Know just who might have A bit on da old Grt Grand PA. LIKE What else do you know abt the Second <Cousin> WIFE?? & WHERE IN the lone STAR?? in 1902?? CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

    07/31/2006 08:28:38
    1. Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..."
    2. -------------- Original message from gnlgy458 <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk>: -------------- > > Also: in 1660 William Corker receives 1250 acres in York County for > transportation of 25 people into the colony. One of these 25 is a Richard Pace. > We MUST document this piece of inromation--this is perhaps THE most important piece of Pace information since we found that John of Middlesex is not related to the North Carolina Paces. This could throw a number of prior assumptions into a cocked hat--and it might upset a lot of people who think they can trace to Richard of Jamestown, as now we have another Richard who could be an ancestor. The ONLY evidence that we have that the North Carolina Paces are descendents of Richard of Jamestown is the Winnifred Aycock Lane letter (three versions of it are on the Pace Network--we don't even have the original), and the fact that the Paces of North Carolina have the same names as those in her letter. We have assumed they must be the offspring of Richard of Jamestown because we had no other candidates for any other Richards or anyone else who could be their parents except "Richard II" (Richard-George-Richard). Now we do. Just glancing at the donors page, I see that at least some of the Paces of NC were born AFTER 1660 and could be the sons of this Richard rather than "Richard II". Ruth Keyes Clark has said that she found evidence of at least two, and maybe three, Richard Paces in early Virginia who could have gone to North Carolina themself or could have sired those who did. Now we may know who one of them is. I have not had time to build a careful timeline of when the North Carolina Paces probably migrated, or what their ages were compared to this Richard, but I can see immediately that they are contemporary. Please tell us where you got this fantastic piece of evidence! Roy Johnson >--------------------------------- > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – > The Wall Street Journal > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list > (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, reply to > sender. >

    07/31/2006 07:55:13
    1. RE- COUSINS, THIS IS VERT GOOD INFORMATION <BELOW>
    2. What some may be overlooking is that, on the frontier, it was not uncommon for a couple to have an informal wedding before family and friends and then formalize it when a circuit rider came through. The circuit rider then filed the formal wedding at the next courthouse that he came to, which may have been in another county altogether. This explains some of the variants in marriage dates and places. Jim Crownover- CA When Searching we now know that the Marriage Record could be in an ajoining County, YA,LL May Have, BUT I had never thought ABT That. CUZ A T < atpowelljr@aol.com>

    07/31/2006 07:25:03
    1. Re: [PACE-L] Blood line-Love line.
    2. YA see Cuz, All of My Pace Cousins, Do not think like at CUZ BarbWHOMEVER. CUZ A T

    07/31/2006 06:58:10
    1. Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..."
    2. Roy, James, et al, Addition to post I just made 7/31/2006 8:35:37 P.M. Central Standard Time which included the descendant chart: I THOUGHT [before recently] that I descended from: Richard Pace/Isabella Smith George Pace/Sarah Maycock Richard Pace2 / Mary _____? [maybe Baker] James Pace/Elizabeth Lowe? or Sarah Eppes? Richard Pace/Sarah Woodlief Richard Pace/ Elizabeth _____? Amy Pace/Soloman Strickland Ezekiel Strickland/Elizabeth Jane Haynes?, [or Gillespie?=no proof] Emily C. Strickland/Robert Simenton Woods Samuel Hardy Woods/Louisa Ford Mattie Dell Woods/Martin Meritt Poole Laura Louise Poole/Edmond Simpson Kathlynn Sue Simpson=Me Am I understanding correctly, that has recently been determined in incorrect? Because "Richard and Mary had one child that we know of -- sex and name unknown" Therefore are you saying it is POSSIBLE I descended from Immigrant John of Middlesex Co, VA and Or the NC Pace's? Help, I've fallen...and I can't get up! LOL This Pace/Maycock line is as complicated/difficult as my Pace/ Woodlief connection. Will be interesting to see the FINAL results...huh? Sure seems the DNA is our savior. ~Kathlynn~ P.S. Remember I'm just asking questions, not making statements...so hopefully I won't get any backlash. When a few complained about my previous post, I made the decision to only post to a few....however I changed my mind for two reasons (1) Many wrote and ask that I KEEP posting to list. (2) I decided it is not my responsibility to post only what those few are interested and in the way they wanted it posted. Soooo, final conclusion: It is the responsibility of those few to simply delete or handle in whatever way they deem necessary to keep them happy.

    07/31/2006 05:04:25
    1. Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..."
    2. gnlgy458
    3. Richard Pace (George, Richard) is dead by 14 Feb 1677/8 when his wife Mary Pace is granted administration of his estate. By 24 Oct 1679 Mary has remarried to William Briscoe, who thus becomes administrator of the estate of Richard Pace dec'd. By 3 Aug 1692 William Briscoe has apparently died and Mary has remarried to Nicholas Whitmore. "The matter of the Account of Thomas Kirkland versus Nicholas Whitmore and Mary, his wife, administratrix of Richard Pace, deceased, [who was] one of the executors of Hugh Kirkland, is referred to Capt. Taylor and Capt. Perry for audit. Fifteen years after Richard Pace's death, it seems that the administration of his estate is still being argued about in court. Can anything be deduced from this regarding "the orphan"? Does it mean that by 1692 "the orphan" is still not of age? Also: in 1660 William Corker receives 1250 acres in York County for transportation of 25 people into the colony. One of these 25 is a Richard Pace. --------------------------------- Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal

    07/31/2006 04:54:44
    1. Blood line-Love line.
    2. M y thoughts are that all information in a family history should be documented and any condition other than what is considered normal should be noted.If your history is to be a blood line history it is proper to list any and all members of that blood line. If family members are not of that blood line a simple notation of that difference insures that future family researchers are advised of that saturation. Years ago the life span was much shorter, Medical conditions much poorer and the oldest sister may have died in giving birth and her parents or a younger family member took her children in as their own, in which case the child carried his fathers DNA but was raised as a full fleged family member. So blood line is a way, but LOVE Line is another way. All of the children who were put on the orphans trains during the depression were loved family members but carried a different blood line, Happy Search. . Jack Pace /Wms.burg Va.

    07/31/2006 04:48:45
    1. Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..."
    2. Would be interested in source for Richard Pace as listed in 1660 land grant. Is this record in York Co records or elsewhere? Please advise. Brisco went to court in York for Matters of Mary Pace relick of Richard Pace. Jack Pace/Wmsburg,Va.

    07/31/2006 04:21:43
    1. Re: [PACE-L] Blood line-Love line.
    2. There is a prime example in my family. I have NO idea who my grandfather's birth mother was. I have hunted and hunted and still can't find her. Apparently she died when my grandfather was born and his brother was 4. Their father brought them to TX and in 1902 he married his first cousin. She was only 9 years older then my grandfather and 5 years older then my brother but for their entire life she was their mother. On their SS apps, death certificates, obits, everything shows her to be their mother and they her sons. As far as I am concerned, I know that my grandfather would want me to keep it this way. However, I clearly state in my notes the story above and show her to be the second wife of their father with the first wife unknown. Someday, I hope to find out who their mother was. But it is also nice to know the family history of their "Mama Agnes". Julie In a message dated 7/31/2006 5:50:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, paceshire@juno.com writes: M y thoughts are that all information in a family history should be documented and any condition other than what is considered normal should be noted.If your history is to be a blood line history it is proper to list any and all members of that blood line. If family members are not of that blood line a simple notation of that difference insures that future family researchers are advised of that saturation. Years ago the life span was much shorter, Medical conditions much poorer and the oldest sister may have died in giving birth and her parents or a younger family member took her children in as their own, in which case the child carried his fathers DNA but was raised as a full fleged family member. So blood line is a way, but LOVE Line is another way. All of the children who were put on the orphans trains during the depression were loved family members but carried a different blood line, Happy Search. . Jack Pace /Wms.burg Va. ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com

    07/31/2006 01:16:08
    1. Re: [PACE-L] CUZ ANN the Copy to is that MISGUIDED Pace Cousin & she/He gave a BOGAS E-ADDY
    2. Marian Dunlap
    3. Since our message boards have to do with our genealogy, let me add that all adopted children should be added to the family listing--but there should be a notation that the individual was adopted, or twenty years later someone is going to insist the wrong information was given because there was another child in that family. HOWEVER, since genealogy has to do with blood lines, the descendants of that adoptee should not be included. They can be listed under a narrative or shown in some other fashion, but if you try to pretend they are of your blood line then down the road you can come out with mass confusion! We already are seeing some of that confusion when DNA results don't match the family and we need to accept that no matter how loved that adopted child may be--his/her blood line is not the same as ours! Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: <Atpowelljr@aol.com> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: [PACE-L] CUZ ANN the Copy to is that MISGUIDED Pace Cousin & she/He gave a BOGAS E-ADDY > Subj: Re: [STINNETT] COUSINS, CUZ SUE'S Message sounds so much like the > Kind of Family INFO That is > Date: 7/31/06 2:40:55 PM Central Daylight Time > From: cagney@bellsouth.net > reply to: STINNETT-L@rootsweb.com > To: STINNETT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > The only thing that made me angry was when a 2nd cousin submitted a > genealogy report to a website and left my sister off -- because she was > adopted! I was livid! She is as much a sister to me as my other sisters, > and since she was orphaned in Korea, we are the only family she has! I let > him know how I felt! > > All families have little things like divorce or illegitimacy, but it > should > not bother anyone. That's life! > > Jean Spradlin-Miller > < ALSO FOR, Elusive- BarbKeithBaily> > >

    07/31/2006 11:03:39
    1. Re: [PACE-L] CUZ ANN the Copy to is that MISGUIDED Pace Cousin & she/He gave a BOGAS E-ADDY
    2. JRA
    3. I cannot say I agree that the decedents of the adoptee should not be included in the family tree line. My grandmother, who is my Pace descendant through Rebecca PACE Bradford *Aycock* & her brother William Pace, was not able to have children because of necessary medical surgery when she was only 21. She wrote Papa explaining this to him, who at the time was on the Conyingham out in the Pacific Campaign, & that she would understand if he rather marry someone that could naturally provide him children. Papa wrote Meme back saying that could & would adopt. If Meme & Papa had not adopted their children, I would not be here, my cousins would not be here, their great-grandchildren, or our parents. To just put us as a sidebar is like saying, well their parents were adopted so they are not REALLY relatives. No, we are not blood related but we research the Pace line & our other lines for we are relatives & have never been treated otherwise. Any two people can have a child, but it takes a family to raise a child or children. Yes, a notation should be made so not to cause confusion, but the adoptees children & down the line should not be just cast aside like they do not matter. I am sorry if this sounds rude, but this brings back the memories of the taboo of adoption which was frequent when Dad, his sister & brother were growing-up & still gets under my craw. Sincerely, Lena Marian Dunlap <mdunlap@consolidated.net> wrote: Since our message boards have to do with our genealogy, let me add that all adopted children should be added to the family listing--but there should be a notation that the individual was adopted, or twenty years later someone is going to insist the wrong information was given because there was another child in that family. HOWEVER, since genealogy has to do with blood lines, the descendants of that adoptee should not be included. They can be listed under a narrative or shown in some other fashion, but if you try to pretend they are of your blood line then down the road you can come out with mass confusion! We already are seeing some of that confusion when DNA results don't match the family and we need to accept that no matter how loved that adopted child may be--his/her blood line is not the same as ours! Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: [PACE-L] CUZ ANN the Copy to is that MISGUIDED Pace Cousin & she/He gave a BOGAS E-ADDY > Subj: Re: [STINNETT] COUSINS, CUZ SUE'S Message sounds so much like the > Kind of Family INFO That is > Date: 7/31/06 2:40:55 PM Central Daylight Time > From: cagney@bellsouth.net > reply to: STINNETT-L@rootsweb.com > To: STINNETT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > The only thing that made me angry was when a 2nd cousin submitted a > genealogy report to a website and left my sister off -- because she was > adopted! I was livid! She is as much a sister to me as my other sisters, > and since she was orphaned in Korea, we are the only family she has! I let > him know how I felt! > > All families have little things like divorce or illegitimacy, but it > should > not bother anyone. That's life! > > Jean Spradlin-Miller > < ALSO FOR, Elusive- BarbKeithBaily> > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

    07/31/2006 10:14:56
    1. Re: [PACE-L] What is an Ancestor anyway?
    2. Good point. On reviewing some of the treads on this list a question comes to mind, what is an Ancestor anyway? Are we looking for the DNA ancestor or our historical ancestor? Should someone who is adopted at birth be looking for their biological or adopted line? I believe DNA can take us only so far. I am more interested in the history of my family, rather than who slept with who. I am from the John of Middlesex line. I am interested in Jamestown because of my Rolfe line. I enjoy the discussions on this list and consider all of the Paces as my adopted family. The people on this list are by far and away the best genealogist of any list I belong to, and I belong to a lot of them. My DNA does no good to the Pace line as I am a Bailey and my mother a Christy. I believe it is important to do the DNA studies as it is leaving something for the future. Today's DNA studies are like Headstones. Important information for the future. People spend thousands on tombstones that fade away. DNA is forever. Jeff Bailey Gladstone, Missouri

    07/31/2006 10:01:57
    1. CUZ ANN the Copy to is that MISGUIDED Pace Cousin & she/He gave a BOGAS E-ADDY
    2. Subj: Re: [STINNETT] COUSINS, CUZ SUE'S Message sounds so much like the Kind of Family INFO That is   Date: 7/31/06 2:40:55 PM Central Daylight Time From: cagney@bellsouth.net reply to: STINNETT-L@rootsweb.com To: STINNETT-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) You know, while we're on this subject, let me add my 2 cents. I had a distant cousin who wrote a family history a few years ago, and refused to refer to any divorce or anything else "scandalous" because he didn't want to embarrass any descendants.  I was respectful enough not to say it, but I thought it was hogwash!  What our ancestors did has nothing to do with who we are!  I cannot prove my great-grandmother's line because I can find no birth record.  Florence Drewry Stinnett was born in Bedford Co., VA, in April 1880.  On her marriage record, she states her parents were James M. Stinnett and Marinda Drewry.  But James and Marinda are not living together in 1880, and they didn't get married until 1890.  And, of course, Florence is nowhere to be found in the 1880 census.  My mother was irate when I mentioned that her grandmother may have been illegitimate!  I'm still trying to prove the connection. Another example -- my brother Neal dated Lisa for years, then dated Rhonda who he married.  They had a son, and then divorced.  After the divorce, Lisa contacted Neal, and told him that he was the father of her daughter.  She had told him before because she not wanted to come between him and Rhonda. Well, Neal and Lisa began dating again, and have been married for many years now.  I get all kinds of questions when I submit a genealogy report, saying that the middle child has another mother.  "Aren't you making a mistake in ages?  . . . in birth order?"  Etc., etc., etc. The only thing that made me angry was when a 2nd cousin submitted a genealogy report to a website and left my sister off -- because she was adopted!  I was livid!  She is as much a sister to me as my other sisters, and since she was orphaned in Korea, we are the only family she has!  I let him know how I felt! All families have little things like divorce or illegitimacy, but it should not bother anyone.  That's life! Jean Spradlin-Miller < ALSO FOR, Elusive- BarbKeithBaily> This is from OUR Stinnett Cousin in Birmingham ALA & A perfect example, of What MISGUIDED Pace Cousin misinterpreted. CUZ A T

    07/31/2006 10:01:06
    1. Re: [PACE-L] "...in behalf of the orphan..."
    2. I do not agree that this record proves that George has only one son. Neither did Ruth Clark or Bruce Howard. It's a matter of grammar. "the orpan Richard Pace" does not necessarily mean that he was the only orpahn, only that he was the one who inherited the estate. If my preacher mentions "the apostle Peter" in a sermon it does not mean that there was only one apostle. Suppose there was a brother Robert. Grammatically I could say "the orphan Richard Pace inherited the properrty; his brother the orphan Robert Pace received nothing." The use of "the" only means that the noun (Richard Pace) is a singular noun, not that there are no others. It has been suggested by genealogists and is possible that some of the Paces who moved to NC were the offspring of George. It could be possible in my opinion. Roy Johnson -------------- Original message from James Blair <jnb05042000@yahoo.com>: -------------- > Richard and Isabella Pace: one son, George > > George and Sarah [Maycock] Pace: one son, Richard. > > Richard and Mary Pace: apparently, one child, name, > sex and date of birth unknown. This is from the > record dated 15 Apr 1676 in which Thomas Douglas and ? > Jordan are appointed to appraise the estate of Richard > Pace "in behalf of the orphan". > > Any further information about this orphan? Thanks for > any assistance. > > James > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message > describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. Please > include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the message to > PACE-L@rootsweb.com >

    07/31/2006 09:43:01