Who is this Thomas Pace and where in Virginia did he go? (from Peter Wilson Coldham's "Complete Book of Emigrants, Section II, Ch. 51, 1656"): 7 November 1656. Thomas Pace of Bath, Som, gent, bound to John White, merchant, to serve 4 years (in Virginia). Walter Phillips of Bristol, cooper, bound to Elizabeth Royde of Virginia, widow, to serve 4 years in Virginia. (BRO) jhh notes: Som is the abbreviation for Somerset (England). BRO is the abbreviation for Bristol Record Office, Bristol, England. References are to manuscript volumes entitled 'Servants to Foreign Plantations."

I said: > Ms. Mehrkens was not referring to the Lawrence records quoted by > Robertson for no Pace burial is indicated by Robertson, and the dates are > different. Oops! Mrs. Mehrkens did have the date right. Roy -------------- Original message from roy.w.johnson@att.net: -------------- > This record has been bouncing around the Pace Society since the early years. > Some tried to prove John of Hungars Parish was John of Middlesex because the > birth date was right, but now we know that this is unlikely. > > >From the William and Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine, > Volume 22, No. 1 (July 1913), pages 39-43, is an article written by > Thomas B. Robertson that is titled "Hungars Parish Records." Writing > from Eastville, Virginia, on 6 Feb 1913, Mr. Robertson says on page > 39, > > "In Vol. XVIII, page 178 and seq. of the William and Mary Quarterly > Historical Magazine, there was given the deaths and marriages for the > year beginning March 25, 1660, and ending March 25, 1661. I now give > below the report made to the monthly court for the year following, > that is, from March 25, 1661 to March 25, 1662. This interesting item > from the old records of this county is found in the Book of Deeds, > Wills, &c., for the years 1657 to 1666. John Lawrance seems to have > been the only parish clerk who took the trouble to file his returns > in the clerk's office. Or it is possible that in moving the office > around from house to house in those days the reports were destroyed > along with many other original papers." > > Then Mr. Robertson begins to quote from the records themselves: > > "A true account of such persons as have bin borne, Baptized, Married > and buried in Hungars Parish from ye 25th of March 1661 to ye 25th of > March Anno 1662." > > CHILDREN > Richard Johnson ye sonne of Tho and Ann Johnson - Apr 1st > Bridgett Robinson ye daughter of Jno. and Mary Robinson - Apr 2d > > John Pace ye sonne of Jno and Mary Pace - Apr 2d > > James Bruce ye sonne of James and Mary Bruce - Apr 2d > Thomas Martiall ye sonne of Tho and Mary Martiall - Apr 2d > Mary Obin ye daughter of Robert and Ann Obin - Apr 2d > Bridgett Henderson ye daughter of Gilbert and Mary Henderson - Apr 2d > Ann Mapp daughter of Jno and Mary Mapp - May 5th > > --- > > The lists continue on pages 40-43 with more births, baptisms, > burials, and marriages. There are no other Pace records given in this > list. > > The quote I have seen from Marion Mehrkens, states "In the Hungars > Parish Register is a listing of the birth of John Pace, 'ye sonne of > John and Mary Pace' on April 2, 1661. In the same year a John Pace is > shown as having died. Whether this was the infant, or his father, is > not clear." > > Ms. Mehrkens was not referring to the Lawrence records quoted by > Robertson for no Pace burial is indicated by Robertson, and the dates are > different. I wonder > where she obtained this information. From what I have seen of her other > submissions, she > often proceeded on poorly documented or non-documented assumptions. > > Hungars Parish was in Northampton County VA. Northampton County today > is located on the southern tip of the Delmarva Peninsula that > separates the Chesapeake Bay from the Atlantic Ocean. > > This is further indication that there were other Paces in early VA and may > account for some ot our non-matching Pace records. > > Roy Johnson. > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, > Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com >

This record has been bouncing around the Pace Society since the early years. Some tried to prove John of Hungars Parish was John of Middlesex because the birth date was right, but now we know that this is unlikely. From the William and Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine, Volume 22, No. 1 (July 1913), pages 39-43, is an article written by Thomas B. Robertson that is titled "Hungars Parish Records." Writing from Eastville, Virginia, on 6 Feb 1913, Mr. Robertson says on page 39, "In Vol. XVIII, page 178 and seq. of the William and Mary Quarterly Historical Magazine, there was given the deaths and marriages for the year beginning March 25, 1660, and ending March 25, 1661. I now give below the report made to the monthly court for the year following, that is, from March 25, 1661 to March 25, 1662. This interesting item from the old records of this county is found in the Book of Deeds, Wills, &c., for the years 1657 to 1666. John Lawrance seems to have been the only parish clerk who took the trouble to file his returns in the clerk's office. Or it is possible that in moving the office around from house to house in those days the reports were destroyed along with many other original papers." Then Mr. Robertson begins to quote from the records themselves: "A true account of such persons as have bin borne, Baptized, Married and buried in Hungars Parish from ye 25th of March 1661 to ye 25th of March Anno 1662." CHILDREN Richard Johnson ye sonne of Tho and Ann Johnson - Apr 1st Bridgett Robinson ye daughter of Jno. and Mary Robinson - Apr 2d John Pace ye sonne of Jno and Mary Pace - Apr 2d James Bruce ye sonne of James and Mary Bruce - Apr 2d Thomas Martiall ye sonne of Tho and Mary Martiall - Apr 2d Mary Obin ye daughter of Robert and Ann Obin - Apr 2d Bridgett Henderson ye daughter of Gilbert and Mary Henderson - Apr 2d Ann Mapp daughter of Jno and Mary Mapp - May 5th --- The lists continue on pages 40-43 with more births, baptisms, burials, and marriages. There are no other Pace records given in this list. The quote I have seen from Marion Mehrkens, states "In the Hungars Parish Register is a listing of the birth of John Pace, 'ye sonne of John and Mary Pace' on April 2, 1661. In the same year a John Pace is shown as having died. Whether this was the infant, or his father, is not clear." Ms. Mehrkens was not referring to the Lawrence records quoted by Robertson for no Pace burial is indicated by Robertson, and the dates are different. I wonder where she obtained this information. From what I have seen of her other submissions, she often proceeded on poorly documented or non-documented assumptions. Hungars Parish was in Northampton County VA. Northampton County today is located on the southern tip of the Delmarva Peninsula that separates the Chesapeake Bay from the Atlantic Ocean. This is further indication that there were other Paces in early VA and may account for some ot our non-matching Pace records. Roy Johnson.

I've been doing some thinking and trying to apply some logic to the connection between Jamestown Paces and those of NC. Landowners in early Virginia usually left more abundant records tue to their land transactions and court appearances. It was the servant class that slipped in under the radar. So it seems to me the only landowning Paces--at least large landowners--were the Richard line, or at least we haven't found evidence of any others. George Pace was one of the largest landowners in the area. Bruce Howard visited the area and measured out the metes and bounds of George's land and walked over it; see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/jtown.htm and click the link to the story of Bruce's visit. Therefore I would assums along with Bruce that the Richard Paces were the same. Likewise, Becky Mosely has presented a timeline showing a Richard Pace selling off land in VA and buying land in NC. I haven't sorted all of this out yet, but it is to me strong circumstantial evidence that Richard of NC was descended from Richard-George-Richard of Jamestown, although we do not have the birth records to prove it. A person who came as a servant was not likely to be buying land, and if so, only a small holding. Looks like Becky's timeline indicated a probable connection. One can always seek more records, but sometimes they are just not available and you have to go with what you have. I think that's fine as long as you clearly cite what records you are basing things on. Roy Johnson -------------- Original message from "Joyce" <joy_harr@swbell.net>: -------------- > According to Bruce Howard's "Our Colonial Ancestors," p. 75, there was a > jury list in York Co. in March 1672/73 which contained the name of Richard > Pace. Mr. Howard cites "Inquisitions on Escheated Lands. York Co. Va., p. > 202. 4th April 1673." He weaves this into the narrative of the comings and > goings across counties of Richard Pace m. Mary, and holds it as proof that > this Richard Pace was a landowner in York Co. since only freeholders were > allowed to serve on juries. > > Bruce Howard seems to think that this was the same Richard Pace as in > Charles City Co./Surry Co. (final boundary not decided til Sept. 1689). > Though Mr. Howard's opinions do not a fact make, a juryman had to be at > least 21 (correct?) so if not Richard m. Mary, then what Richard, again is > the reasonable question. > - Joyce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:56 AM > To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE-L] William Corker headright grant > > While this is being discussed, it should be remembered that this > transcription does not imply that Richard Pace was transported into the > colony in 1660 nor does it mean that Richard Pace lived in in York County > nor does it give us any indication of Richard Pace's age, nor does it > indicate that this Richard Pace was even living in 1660. It also doesn't > mean that all 25 people came into the colony at the same time. > > The below is stating that in 1660 William Corker received land that > happens to be located in York County (the location of the land - not > necessarily Richard Pace's location). William Corker was submitting his > paperwork for the transportation of a Richard Pace into the colony at some > time before 1660. This Richard Pace could have come 20 years earlier, for > example. We have no way of knowing when he came to the colony other than it > was sometime before 1660. > > Rebecca Christensen > > gnlgy458 wrote: > > Also: in 1660 William Corker receives 1250 acres in York County for > transportation of 25 people into the colony. One of these 25 is a Richard > Pace. > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message > describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. Please > include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the message to > PACE-L@rootsweb.com >

addition: Library of Virginia Website http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30 actual images available on the website in .tiff format) Title Pace, George. Publication 1 September 1628. Gen. note "son and heir aparent to Richard Pace, decd..." Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: James City County. Description: 400 acres within the Corporacon of James City, the southern side of the river at the plantacon called Paces Pain. Source: Land Office Patents No. 1, 1623-1643 (v.1 & 2), p. 64 (Reel 1). Title Perry, Isabella. Publication 20 September 1628. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Related See also the following surname(s): Peery. Note Location: James City County. Description: 200 acres within the Corporation of James City, on the southern side of the river, at the plantation called Paces Paine and formerly granted to herself and her late husband Richard Pace, decd. Source: Land Office Patents No. 1, 1623-1643 (v.1 & 2), p. 62 (Reel 1).

Row 1 Johnson, Emma Ruth  died July 1,1939 "Age 68yrs, 11mons, 4days"     {Pace Funeral Home marker only} Johnson, William G. Jr.  b-Apr.9,1874  d-May 6,1935 Row 2 Johnson, William G.  b-Sept.10,1821  d-June 6,1904     Pvt. Co D 1 Inf Regt. Texas State Troops. CSA Unknown-Cedar tree at head of grave Unknown-Cedar Cross

Thank you! That gives so much clearer a picture than I had before. Thank you so much for putting in all the hard work to tie these records together. It's beginning to make a lot more sense to me, or I hope it will once I've got it all straight in a chart. Three cheers for John Bradford (and DNA). --------------------------------- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now...

This was sent to me by a researcher in Fluvanna co. who has done work for me in the past. It is quite long. I will try to post the highlights. Fluvanna County Order Book 1811-1815 pg.242,243-april 1813 In Chancery Tarlton Pace and Benjamin Pace, heirs of John Pace deceased. Sarah B. Magruder administratix (?) of John B. Magruder deceased, Abraham Shepherd and David Higginbotham Surviving partner and obligee of McCredie Higginbothan & Co. -----------------Plaintiffs against William Pace, William Wilkerson and Susanna his wife late Susanna Pace which said William Pace and Susanna are also heirs of said John Pace deceased and Polley Pace,Salley Pace, Nancy Pace, Valentine Pace and Tarlton Pace, heirs of Jesse Pace,. deceased, who was also an heir of said Jon Pace, deceased, Nancy Pace,widow and relict of said John Pace deceased and David L. Gillaspy-------- defendants This court doth appoint James Payne Guardian to the infant defendants, Polley Pace, Salley Pace, Nancy Pace, Valentine Pace, and Tarlton Pace to defend them in this suit and thereupon the bill and answer in this cause being filed. On hearing the same it is decreed and ordered that James Richardson, Horace Timberlake, Dennis Reiley, James T. Jones and John Omohundro or any three of them as commissioners for that purpose appointed do lay off and assign to the defendant Nancy Pace. widow of said John Pace, deceased husband and having first advertised the time and place of sale at the front door of the court house and at such other public places in this county and at such other public places in this county as they shall think proper for at least two weeks proceed to sell the said tract of land in the bill mentioned subject to the dower of the said defendant, Nancy, therein containing by estimation Sixty Three and three fourths acres at public auction for ready money and out of the proceeds arising there from that they pay to the defendant David L. Gillaspy, one seventh part thereof, an amount of his interest in right of one of the heirs therein and out of the balance of such proceeds pay to the plaintiffs, Sarah B.Magruder, administratrix of John B. Magruder, deceased Abraham Shepherd and David Higginbotham, surviving partners and obligee of McCredie Higginbotham & Co, the amount of their claims against the heirs of the said John Pace, deceased and costs of suits and pay the overflow, if any to the different claimants in said land being the Children of the said John Pace, deceased and render the proportion therof if any to which the heirs of Jesse Pace are entitled into come and that they also make and return to this court a report of their proceedings therein in order to a final decree. I did type the entire thing. Would Jack, Gordon, or anyone else familiar with this family decipher for me the connections between these persons and perhaps what they think this suit may be about. I Have seen a Gillaspy married to a descendent of William Moment Pace . Will post that information later.

According to Bruce Howard's "Our Colonial Ancestors," p. 75, there was a jury list in York Co. in March 1672/73 which contained the name of Richard Pace. Mr. Howard cites "Inquisitions on Escheated Lands. York Co. Va., p. 202. 4th April 1673." He weaves this into the narrative of the comings and goings across counties of Richard Pace m. Mary, and holds it as proof that this Richard Pace was a landowner in York Co. since only freeholders were allowed to serve on juries. Bruce Howard seems to think that this was the same Richard Pace as in Charles City Co./Surry Co. (final boundary not decided til Sept. 1689). Though Mr. Howard's opinions do not a fact make, a juryman had to be at least 21 (correct?) so if not Richard m. Mary, then what Richard, again is the reasonable question. - Joyce -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:56 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE-L] William Corker headright grant While this is being discussed, it should be remembered that this transcription does not imply that Richard Pace was transported into the colony in 1660 nor does it mean that Richard Pace lived in in York County nor does it give us any indication of Richard Pace's age, nor does it indicate that this Richard Pace was even living in 1660. It also doesn't mean that all 25 people came into the colony at the same time. The below is stating that in 1660 William Corker received land that happens to be located in York County (the location of the land - not necessarily Richard Pace's location). William Corker was submitting his paperwork for the transportation of a Richard Pace into the colony at some time before 1660. This Richard Pace could have come 20 years earlier, for example. We have no way of knowing when he came to the colony other than it was sometime before 1660. Rebecca Christensen gnlgy458 <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Also: in 1660 William Corker receives 1250 acres in York County for transportation of 25 people into the colony. One of these 25 is a Richard Pace.

page 771, ADVENTURERS OF PURSE & PERSON, Vol II 16. REBECCA PACE died by July 1762 when JOHN BRADFORD as surviving eldest son of JOHN BRADFORD asked for administration on his estate unadministered by Rebecca the widow. END Her second husband William Aycock was still alive (died before May 1765, Johnson co, NC). What I don't understand is that this is 22 years after her marriage to Aycock. This would be Col. John of Halifax Co. who asked for administration, b. abt 1730. I have not run into the above document before this book.... Maybe because it was filed in Johnson Co... No clue.... Anyway that gets one to Winifred.... No clue who widow Hannah Pitt is. There was a Capt. Pitt mentioned in a Surry doc, when his ship burned, but think that was some earlier.

It is for sure that Mary Pace was tied into York County. 10,Dec. 1683 Brisco, William as maarrying the relict of Richd. Pace suing George Tarne to Ct. upon a bill of 600 pounds tobo & caske putting plt upon proofe thereof it is ord that same be refered to nwent court. 24, Jan. 1683/4 Brisco, William, Diff between William Brisco as marrying relict of Richd. Pace and George Tarne ord that sd Tarne next court produce his discount otherwise Judgmt to pass for sum sued for last bill being proven by oath of Robert Perry one of the wittnesses. 24, March 1683/4 ref to next court between William Brisco as marrying the relict of Richard Pace and George Tarne. 26, May 1684 Brisco, William granted judgmt, George Tarne; marrying relict of Richd. Pace decd. for 600 pounds tob. & Ca. is ord. to be paid w/ costs als exec. I would guess that Brisco was sueing Tarne for a debt owed Richard Pace 1689 a William Brisco died. 1689 Mary Pace Brisco married Nicolas Whittmore, moved to his plantation. 1692 Thomas Kirkland v. Nicholas Whitmore and Mary, his wife, admix of Richard Pace, one of the executors of Hugh Kirkland, is refered to Capt. Taylor and Capt. Perry for audit. Charles City ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:11:10 +0100 (BST) gnlgy458 <gnlgy458@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > Indeed. So far, he is just a salutary demonstration that there could > have been more than one Richard Pace in Virginia at the time. > > Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I will be able to piece > together some more information about this Richard Pace. > > In 1670, the tithable list of William Browne includes a servant > Richard Pace. (Surry County Virginia Deed Book p. 345). > > Could this be the headright Richard Pace? > > On 7 Sept 1675, from Surry County Virginia Court Book 3: > "Attachment agt. estate Rich. Pace granted Coll. Thomas Swann for > 400 lbs tobacco." > > Who is this, I wonder? He seems to be dead. Richard Pace son of > George is apparently still alive in 1675. > > > Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > While this is being discussed, it should be remembered that this > transcription does not imply that Richard Pace was transported into > the colony in 1660 nor does it mean that Richard Pace lived in in > York County nor does it give us any indication of Richard Pace's > age, nor does it indicate that this Richard Pace was even living in > 1660. It also doesn't mean that all 25 people came into the colony > at the same time. > > > --------------------------------- > All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard > protect you. > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going > to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask > me - gordonpace@comcast.net > > WE are FREE because of the BRAVE.

Indeed. So far, he is just a salutary demonstration that there could have been more than one Richard Pace in Virginia at the time. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I will be able to piece together some more information about this Richard Pace. In 1670, the tithable list of William Browne includes a servant Richard Pace. (Surry County Virginia Deed Book p. 345). Could this be the headright Richard Pace? On 7 Sept 1675, from Surry County Virginia Court Book 3: "Attachment agt. estate Rich. Pace granted Coll. Thomas Swann for 400 lbs tobacco." Who is this, I wonder? He seems to be dead. Richard Pace son of George is apparently still alive in 1675. Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: While this is being discussed, it should be remembered that this transcription does not imply that Richard Pace was transported into the colony in 1660 nor does it mean that Richard Pace lived in in York County nor does it give us any indication of Richard Pace's age, nor does it indicate that this Richard Pace was even living in 1660. It also doesn't mean that all 25 people came into the colony at the same time. --------------------------------- All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.

Hello AT and other cousins, Let me put in my 2 cents. A lot of times marriages took place at the county of the bride. Wanda YEP, <DUH>, it IS the law in Va. that the Marriage License be issued in the County where the Bride Lives. DUH, Again: I personally had this experience in 1952 when I Married My First Wife the Second time, <WELL I Doubt if any one would be able to understand that <ONE> Course I ALSO, wonder Just how Many of those that Cannot understand that, Have ever had a 6 1/2 Year old son look them in the face & tell their Mother That I do not know this Man. But I am sure this law is POST Circuit Rider Days. So it is very possible for some Marriage's to have been recorded in the Next County. SO it would not to check some of the Counties Adjoining the County where Aunt Jane or Grt Grand MA. was raised, JUST THINK abt this: Appomattox County, Va was formed from Campbell, Charolette, Buckingham & Prince Edward Counties. Records were Destroyed by Fire in 1895, Buckingham County Records were Destroyed By fire in 1869. NOW HERE IS A COUNTY That could affect MANY of us, Because, PLEASE follow Along: New Kent County, formed 1654 from York County <Original Shire> Records Burned 1865 During Civil WAR, ON TO Hanover 1721 formed from New Kent County. Records Destroyed in 1865. ON TO- Louisa County 1742 Formed from Hanover County, ON TO Albemarle County 1744 <PART OF IT> Formed from Louisa County, onto Amherst County 1761 formed from Albemarle County onto Nelson County Va. 1808 formed from Amherst County, So COUSINS JUST maybe the Circuit Rider did make it to an adjoining County, & leave The Marriage INFO that we haven't found. NOW this may look like going all around the Mountain to get to the Source, BUT, we will take a bit more of the area, Henrico 1634 Original SHIRE, <County on to Goochland County 1728 Formed from Henrico County. All records were Destroyed by Fire June 1820, Other Records were Destroyed in 1865 During the Civil WAR, 1744 Albemarle County Formed With part OF Goochland County ON To Buckingham County 1761 formed from Albemarle County All Records destroyed in 1869. AND, Fluvana 1777 formed from Albemarle County. NOW; This may Seem far fetched in relation to our Genealogy BUT this is the route that many of <MY Ancestors> Travailed on their Journey to the Creation OF <CUZ A T> The Paces& Johnson's Moved from Middlesex Co. to Hanover & followed the Same Rout that Brought the Campbell's, Powell's, AND so many more of OUR wonderful Ancestors to the Beautiful BLUE RIDGE Mountains, Then onward Scattering Through the Land & Over SEAS < CUZ LILLY> NOW this Geography Lesson is from; RETRACING OUR FAMILY LEGACY. EVOLUTION of VIRGINIA COUNTIES <THE FORMATION OF VIRGINIA COUNTIES> SURELY SOMETHING TO PONDER- THEN TAKE A GOOD LOOK- Because this is THE path of many of our Ancestors. JUST Think: First U. S. Census 1790 Enumerated By the U. S. Marshall's They recorded only 4 Million People. Then; Birth Certificates, in Va in 1920_______?? OH YES. Then: The First SOC-#,S in 1935 UH-HUH, Now does any one care to ignore Looking for WHERE THE Circuit Rider <MAY> have Registered that Marriage, that He performed in New Kent Or Hanover_____?? CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

> Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I will be able to piece together > some more information about this Richard Pace. > > In 1670, the tithable list of William Browne includes a servant Richard > Pace. (Surry County Virginia Deed Book p. 345). Made these notes in LOOKING for a STILL illusive Thomas Bradford, not the early one in Jamestowne who had no descendants and is dead..... Anyway just notes on WILLIAM BROWNE.... SURRY COUNTY VA TITHABLES: MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY THOMAS BRADFORD Listed; 1674; June 10th 1675; June ye 8th 1678; June ye 6th 1679; 17 of May 1680; June 1681; June ye 9th 1682; June ye 9th 1683. comment: Always listed with others. 1st listing: Major Browne, Berkely Browne, Wm Rose Tho:Bradford, Jack and Kate negroes. Most all Lists with Thomas on them was taken by Browne. WHO WAS THIS??? 2nd note: A William Browne left England 1635; Hotten's List of the Living & Dead William Browne 2/16/1623; Land Grant to William Browne 23 April 1681, earlier granted to John Rolfe (Pocahontas] probably sold by Rolfe's executor - NC Higher Court Records 1670-1696. Has to do with Randolph family. [Note from Troy Valos on the BROWNE family as pertains above.] The main BROWNE Family of Surry County starts about 1635 when Captain HENRY Browne patents about 2,200 acres at Four Mile Tree to present day Eastover. He was very prominent in early times including being a member of the Colony's Council. Major WILLIAM Browne is his SON-IN-LAW who marries HENRY'S daughter MARY and dies in 1704/5. He too was very active in county politics (justice, militia, sheriff, etc.). I have yet to find any information about Henry and William's CONNECTION besides being IN-LAWS. BERKELEY BROWNE is HENRY'S son who dies young and leaves no heirs. THE BROWNE line descends from WILLIAM and MARY BROWNE. (The Randolph & Browne lines meet about the time of the American Revolution.) The lands JOHN ROLFE patented are about 3 to 4 miles away from Four Mile Tree - now known as Smith's Fort. [This is located directly across the river from Jamestowne, up Gray's Creek.]

I thought I saw a long term relationship between all these folks leading down to Winifred Aycock BUT maybe not.... note: POWELL'S CREEK In 1650, George Pace obtained a grant for 1,700 acres for 34 headrights. 1 Aug. 1650, p. 252. Lyeing on S. side of James Riv. commonly called Matocks, beg. at the mouth of a little swamp by the river side where PEIRCE his hundred takes ending, running etc., W. to a swamp which leads to POWELLS Cr. & along the cr. to the river, Trans. of 34 pers:.....................Source: Early Virginia Families along the James River, Vol. II by Louise Pledge Heath Foley, page 19 Location: Flower De Hundred THOMAS DREW, Gent., 490 acs. Chas. City Co., 26 Oct. 1650, p. 268. Lyeing on N. side of Flower De Hundred Cr., bounded N. upon land purchased by MR. PACE, S. upon sd. Cr. & N.E. upon Snow Cr. Trans. of 10 pers. Source: Early Virginia Families along the James River, Vol. II by Louise Pledge Heath Foley, page 20 Page 48 - (Same piece of land as above. bbm) ROBERT NETHERLAND, 490 acs. Chas. Citty Co., on N. side of Flower de hundred Cr., 15 June 1676, p. 613. Adj. land of MR. PACE upon sd. Cr., N. E. upon Snow Cr., &c. Granted to THO. DREW, Gent., dec'd., 4 June 1657. & being not seated, &c. Trans. of 10 pers: JNO. WILSON, THO. HILLIARD, ROBT. SUSSER, THO. ARTH. (AUTHUR?), Negro THEMS (others not mentioned). note: BOTH of above married to FRANCES WARD (widow of WILLIAM BARKER of Flower De Hundred) Location: POWELLL'S CREEK In 1652, George Pace obtained another grant for 507 acres for transportation of ten headrights. 507 acs. Chas City Co., 8 Dec. 1652, p. 170. On S. side of James Riv. & E. side of POWELL'S Cr. Trans. of 10 persons:...........Source: Early Virginia Families along the James River, Vol. II by Louise Pledge Heath Foley, page 25 RICHARD PACE, II (A3) is the son of George Pace and Sarah Pace. Richard Pace, II was born in latter part of 1637 in Virginia. This relationship is firmly established by Richard’s 1655 guardianship records: 'Richard Pace, the orphan and heire of George Pace, dec’d.' Richard Pace, at the age of around seventeen, inherited 1,700 acres of land. Being a minor but over the age of fourteen, Richard had the right to choose his own guardian and he chose William Baugh. Immediately upon coming of age, Richard Pace filed a confirmation of his father’s sale of 800 or 900 acres to Thomas Drew. This document had been drawn up on June 4, 1655 while Richard was still a minor and was rerecorded on May 9, 1659. 1655 June 4 Whereas Rich'd Pace the orphan and Heire of Geo. Pace dec'ed hath at this Co'rt made choice of and humbly Desired Confirm'con of mr. William Baugh to be Guardian of him and his estate dureing his minority. The Co'rt doth therefore hereby grant and confirme his said request requireing the sd Guardian to mannage duly and justly all estate belonging to the sd orphan giveing yearly aacco't to the Co'rt of the same and the improvement delivering the whole to the sd orphane at his full age. Court held at Westover, Charls. Citty County, page 3 1658 Actual: At a Co'rt holden att merchts hope Feb 25, 1658. Present: Thomas Drewe, mr Antho: Wyatt, mr. War: Horsmonden, Capt. John Epes, mr Steph: Hamelin, Capt. Tho: Stegge p. 179. "Know all men by these presents, and withnesse that I Richd Pace sonne and heire apparent of mr Geo pace of the Com of Charles Citty att Mount March in Virginia, and sonn and heire as the first issue by my mother Mrs Sara Macocke wife unto my aforesd father (being both dec'd) Do hereby by these presents ffor my selfe my heirs ex'ors adm'rs and ass's for ever absolutely confirme and allow of the sale of eight or nine hundred acres of land being neere unto Pierces hundred, als fflorday hundred, sold by my dec'd father mr George Pace unto mr Thomas Drewe as per bill of sale bareing date the 12th Day of October Ao 1650 may more large app'e x x [Richd Pace further confirms sale to Thos. Drewe] x x. Dated 25 February 1658/9. Signed Richard Pace. Wit: Anthony Wyatt, Thomas Stegge, Hoel Pryse CI. Rec 19 May 1659. Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Vol. III, Charles City County Court Orders, 1658-1661, page 214 by Beverly FLEET 1659/60 Richard Pace planter of Powells Creek in Virginia sells Tho: Madder of fflowerde hundred 300 acres on Powell's Creek . "as I the sd Richard Pace doe hold it by pattent" [Charles City Court Orders, P. 371] 1660 Richard Pace of Powell's Creek, planter to Wm Wilkins, 200 acres between Westowne branch of fflower de hundred Creeke and reedy bottoms [Charles City Co. Court Orders 1658-1661, p.249] 1660 Dispute between Richard Pace/Jno Drayton regarding cow to be settled by Mr. James Ward and Richd Taylor, Charles City Co 1661/62 Richard TAYLOR's first known land purchase was 13 March 1661/62 (CCCCOB 1661-1664, page 327), which he bought from Richard and Mary Pace for 300 pounds sterling. The land was on Powell's Creek in Charles City County. Wit: Caesar Walpole, John x Hobbs, John x ffloriday, John Daniell. [This land later went to William HAMLIN, son of Richard's daughter Elizabeth.] NOTE: RICHARD TAYLOR was the Father-in-Law of RICHARD BRADFORD. 1662 Deed: Thomas Crooke to William Tomlinson one line on Richard Baker, wit: Richard Taylor, Richard Pace Charles City Co VA 1662 Bond John Barker of "fflourd hundred" to Mr. Tho: Drew [father-in-law, term for stepfather back then], of same plantation - concerned dau of wife Hannah Pitt. Wit: Rich Taylor, Richard Pace Charles City Co 1664 Charles City County, Court Orders, 1661-1664 p. 476. Abstract. Deed. 19 May 1664. James Wallace "w'th the consent of my sife Joane" sells to Caesar Walpole, acerage not stated, "th't parcell of land lying and being upon the branches of Powells Creeke upon the Burchin Swamp and the great Swamp and bounding upon Capt. Tye and Richard Baker at the head and upon parte of a hundred acres of Land w'ch belongs to Morgan Jones at the head of the sd land, and at the Lower end upon the hundred acres of Land w'ch Mr. Banister gave to Richard Taylor next the mill called by the name of Chegoe Neck, and bounding upon a path wch form'ly run from James Wards to Bonny Coard at the head of the piney Levell by the mill, the aforesd parcell of Land belonging to a divident of land of Thomas Wheeler dec'd husband to the aforsd Joane Wallice, And in consideracon of full satisfaccon in hand rec'd I the aforsd Wallice and Joane my wife do bind ourselves xx"., etc. Signed James Wallace, Jo! ane Them'k M of Wallice. Wit: Rich Taylor, Will Peebells, Richard Pace. Recognit etc June 3, 1664. Rec June 10. sequ. [Note: Chegoe Neck = Chigger Neck.] 1664/65 Abstract. Deed of Gift. 21 Jan 1664/5. Richard Baker gives to Richard Pace a parcel of land, "lying on the other side of the bottome on the West side of the aforesd Bakers plantacon conteyning one hundred and forty acres in breth from the aforesd bottome and so holding the same bredth Downe to the great Swamp beginning upon the line of the aforesd Bakers at the head of the afore bottome". Signed: Richd X Baker Wit: Wm Harris, patrick Jackson, Casar Walpole. Rec 7 Feb. 1664/5 Charles City Co VA [pg. 530. att a Court held att Westov'r 3 Febr 1664/5] 1664/65 Charles City County, Court Orders, Fragments 1. p.507 'Richd Baker haveing proved in Court by confession of Richd Pace and John Rosser that he hath fully pd the estates of the Orphanes late in his tuicon, is released from his bond for the sd Orphanes estates, and the Court consequently discharged by the personall confession of the said Orphanes.' 2. p.485 'Abstract. Order that Tho Tomlinson keep a gun taken from an Indian by him. He gives bond, with Richd Pace security, 1000 lg. tobo to produce the "when (or if) cause shall bee to require itt".' 1673 Richard Pace bought 2 cows, 2 iron pots, 1 chair table from John Tane in Charles City County 1677 Richard Pace Died wife Mary was granted administration of estate. 1678 Mary Pace married William Briscoe, and Englishman in Jamestown - moved to Jamestown 2 SEP 1680 - Judgement granted Xtopher Foster non-appearance of Wm. Briskoe marrying relic of Richard Pace. (SURRY COUNTY, VA Order Book 1672-1682, p. 98) 20 SEP 1683 - Land Patent to William Briscoe, 12 acres, James City County. (Land Patent Book 7, p.324) 1682 Estate of Lt. Coll. Geo: Jordan, D'r to = [among others] Richard Pace, Maj Francis Epps, Ann Sorsby,....Thos. Sowerby..... (owed a debt to these people. Jordan was a tobacco factor.) Surry County Wills & Deeds, Book 1, p. 322. 1683 Several references, as descriptions, to Richard Pace in Charles Co., Westover Parish. Namely in the patents of Mr. John Williams and Mr. Daniell Higdon & Roger Reese. 1687 George Pace, 600 acs., Chas City Co., Westover Parish; on S. side of James Riv., nigh the Blackwater, 20 Apr. 1687, p. 554. Beg. at John Williams; crossing the Blackwater Path; & the Reedy Br., to Capt. Lucie's line, &c. Trans. of 12 pers.* [Cavaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book 7] Who was CAPT. LUCIE..? 2nd husband of SARAH BARKER, widow of Richard Taylor..... (1673 In 1673 Sarah & Robert LUCY received the upper part of Flowerdieu containing the residence. In a later division between her sons, Richard & John TAYLOR, the site of the present house was included in John's portion. [p.151, V.H.G., Boddie]) 1689 William Briscoe died leaving everything to live-in Anne Holden, rather than wife Mary Pace Briscoe. 1689/90 Mary Pace Briscoe married Nicolas Whittmore, moved to his plantation IMPORTANT: What WAS this about? 1692 "The matter of the account between Thomas Kirkland v. Nicholas Whitmore and Mary, his wife, admix. of Richard Pace, one of the executors of Hugh Kirkland, is referred to Capt. Taylor and Capt. Perry for audit." Charles City (had to do with child Hannah Petts or Pitts, stepchild of John Barker, 1662) Only note I see at moment regarding above: Following out the conditions of his brother-in-law, Richard Taylor, he gave to Thomas Drew, his "father-in-law," 30000 lbs. of good tobacco to guarantee him from all trouble for maintaining Hannah Pitt or Pett, daughter of his wife. The deed of gift was witnessed by Richard Pace and Richard Taylor. I DON'T KNOW.... but my notes are what they are.... 1703 Richard and Rebecca Pace left Prince George Co, VA to Surry Co VA to 1704 Albemarle Co NC, 640 acres grant of land 11/22/1706 [Bruce Howard] 1704 George Pace, son of Richard/Mary, had 1000 acres in Prince George (cut off from Charles City) This George Pace married a daughter of Edward Woodlief, son of John Woodlief and his wife, a daughter of Colonel Robert Wynne, speaker of the House of Burgesses. Evidently had two sons Richard and John who moved to Bertie Co. NC (see 1727) 1718 Richard Pace owned plantation Surry (Brunswick) Co. VA also plantation Chowan Precinct, Albemarle Co. NC (Bertie) Further Thomas Avent, 1200 acres, 1629, grant in Surry, "beginning at Richard Moore's line to Stewart's line and over Otterdam Swamp to include all land between John Davis and Richard Pace. [Sasser maps 18 & 19, present day Greensville Co VA near Sussex Co. line] 1718 Richard Pace sold VA land of 400 acres to Rebecca Poythress 1719 Richard/Rebecca Pace moved back to NC w/some children - Bertie [Bruce Howard] 1719/20 2998 PG. 196 RICHARD PACE, JR 1 March 1719/20 500 acres in Chowan precinct on ye N. side of Morattock River, joining ye river side, COLO. POLLOCK, ye N side of Your-ha Swamp, and JOHN GREEN Witnesss: CHA. EDEN, THOS. POLLOCK, FRE. JONES, RICHD. SANDERSON, JOHN HECKLEFIELD [Province of NC 1663-1729 Abstracts of Land Patents, Margaret M. Hofmann] 1719 (p. 178) Surry County Deeds, Wills, etc. #7, 1715-1730......... 18 Feb 1718.... Suit of Hugh Golitely against the estate of THOMAS WATSON valued by RICHARD PACE, THOMAS AVENT, RICHARD (X) MOORE and JAMES (X) ODYAN (ODYAM?). Surry County, Virginia, Deeds 1684-1733 and Other Court Papers by William Lindsay Hopkins NOTE: JOHN BRADFORD descent from RICHARD BRADFORD of Charles City Co. indicated by Y-DNA. So here could be a continuation of all of the above families doing's... Taylor, Barker, Ward, etc. 1719 (p.265) 25 Feb 1719.... Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. #7 1715-1730.... RICHARD PACE of Lawnes Creek Parish to JOHN BRADFORD of the same.... 285 acres in Lawnes Creek Parish on north side of Three Creeks. Land was granted to said RICHARD PACE on 12 Jul 1718 is bounded by Capt. John Geddes, George Hambleton and George Pasmore. Wit: Nathaniel Harrison, Edward Shepheard, Nathaniel Edwards and Robert Smith Woobank. Rec: 15 Jun 1720 Surry County, Virginia, Deeds 1684-1733 and Other Court Papers by William Lindsay Hopkins [John/Rebecca sold this land Feb 1722. Sasser's Map page 18 A2]

OK CUZ , JAMES, Now you have one Richard Pace; Died in 1738_____??? Here is my Question, to ANY & All Pace's & Descendants After you List Dates, for "Richard Pace" George Pace, <?> Then George Pace had a Son. Richard Pace of Bertie County. Now Pace Cousins, are there ANY CONNECTION to these Named Paces. YA see Cuz without Dates, & <PLACES> it is difficult for one to try a Match, GEORGE_________PACE or any one else. CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

How very interesting. Convoluted relationships. Let's see, John Barker was Thomas Drew's stepson and Richard Taylor's brother-in-law. John Barker married Hannah Pitt, who was not born Hannah Pitt but had been married before and had a daughter of the marriage, also named Hannah Pitt. I wonder who Hannah Pitt was before she married. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

UH HUH, CUZ, Please permit me to show why it Cam be to ones interest to Mention ANY/ALL Names when ever searching, PLEASE bear with me; My Mother' Maiden Name was Campbell, Her Mother was a Wilmer, Mothers Father's Mother was a Mitchell, Her Mother was a Harvey; One of Mama's Brother's was Earl Mitchell Campbell Another was Guy Wilmer Campbell R. Campbell__L Christepher Campbell__L Laura Mitchell____L Richard Harvey___L Guy Mitchell ____L These are Members Of The Family that have First OR Second Names From Ancestral Families. Granted I have not found the Pace Name used as a first name, BUT JUST how many 1000's of people do you think have the First Name of William??? YES I am sure that William often came from Grand Ma Williams Family. My 5 Grt Grand Mother, Margaret Pace Married William Johnson BACK in the 1700's. One of the surest ways to find that, Hidden Cousin is to check JUST why that person has a first or 2ND name of the Family that you are researching. Whenever I find, Campbell, Harvey, Johnson, Perry. Wilmer, Mitchell, Powell, Martin as First OR Second Names, No mater WHAT the last name may be, MY question is where did your first/Second name come from. I find Cousins that way often. I Have found Cousins in many parts of the World. The foundation to the greatest Brick wall EVER, is these 4 words, <IT JUST CANT BE> PLEASE; <ASK & ANSWER QUESTIONS SOMEONE KNOWS> CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

I think it is as James says -- the record mentioning "the orphan" seems to be the end of the paper trail from Richard and Isabella. We know there was at least one child of the marriage between Richard (George, Richard) and Mary but we don't know what became of that child. We don't know if it was a boy or a girl or whether it grew up to claim the estate which was still being haggled over in 1692. If it was a girl the chances of finding a trail are slim. If it was a boy there is difficulty in identifying it amongst the multiplying Paces in Virginia. Ruth Clark comments "the singular orphan may be significant". In the timeline, if I have not overlooked any entries, the next time a Richard Pace appears in court is in Surry County 15 Aug 1711: "Richd Pace not appearing to prosecute his suit agst. Jno. Edmunds. Case dismissed." Who is this Richard Pace? The orphan? Some other descendant of Richard and Isabella? Or an unrelated Richard Pace? There is this comment on the timeline: "Found no documentation as to the parents of the Richard PACEs in Surry County. We know which went to NC but cannot prove parentage." --------------------------------- All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.

I haven't seen the original. I've seen it cited in two places. First in the "Pace Event/Source Timeline 1610-1750 in Virginia" compiled by Ruth Keys Clark who so kindly sent me a copy of it. And second in a message posted to this list in 2003 (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PACE/2003-10/1067472856) by Roy Johnson. The source as given in the timeline is the York County court records p 88. --------------------------------- The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.