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    1. Re: [PACE-L] Robert Spencer, William Newsome
    2. James Blair
    3. --- Becky Mosely <beckymosely@comcast.net> wrote: > Spencer notes, although not Robert that I see.bbm > No. This is running into some of my other lines of descent and getting quite confusing. The following will probably not be of general interest but I'm trying to get them all straightened out in my head. 1672 - Wm. NEWSOM, aged about 24, saith about 3 years ago Roger RAWLINGS desired him to go with him to John Kindred's place to fetch a heifer sd Kindred had given his daughter Betty - did fetch it RAWLING'S did mark it; Heifer did remain a certain time in "My FATHER WATKINS," his pasture, etc.. *Surry County Records, Book II, 1671-1684, p. 16 William Newsome is brother-in-law to Roger Rawlings. Roger Rawlings is attorney to William Briscoe. Robert Spencer and William Newsome are both mentioned in the will of Capt. George Watkins, Lawnes County, will proved 24 Oct 1673. Robert Spencer is also one of the appraisers of the estate (sworn before Col. Geo. Jordan). Capt. Watkins was married to Gertrude, fourth wife of William Newsome Sr (father of the William Newsome who is mentioned in the will of Capt. Watkins). The younger William Newsome married Anne Shephard, granddaughter of William Spencer who came on the Susan Constant. However, I can't find any connection between Robert Spencer and the William Spencer family. I'm inclined to think he must have been unrelated. (Mary Newsome, who around 1747 married Silas Pace, was the great great granddaughter of William Newsome Sr, and the great great great granddaughter of William Spencer.) James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/11/2006 04:54:23
    1. Virginia County Formation Dates
    2. Joyce
    3. Always good to keep in mind the changing county boundaries, as well as neighbors and associated family names.. Prince George Co. was not formed until 1702/03 from Charles City Co., and adjacent Surry Co. (until about 1753) extended well southward, almost to the NC border. At least the names of the watercourses usually remain intact, and some can even be found in current-day DeLorme map books, which helps in placing ancestors geographically. Here's a link to a good chart of all the VA counties, formation dates and parent counties, for anyone who may find it helpful: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb/county2.htm - Joyce

    08/11/2006 04:22:26
    1. Re: [PACE-L] Richard Pace on Wm. Browne's Tithables List 1668/69/70
    2. Becky Mosely
    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <jnb05042000@yahoo.com> > They all seem to have been associated, though exactly how is not clear to > me. > > 4 Sept 1682, Surry County Records Book 1 and 2 page 321: > Estate of Lt. Coll. Geo. Jordan. In a list of 108 names is Richard Pace > followed by An Scorby, also on list Catrina Sorsby and Thomas Soworby. > > The will of George Jordan (1682) was witnessed by William Browne and > Robert Spencer. > > Robert Spencer was married to a Jane Browne. Spencer notes, although not Robert that I see.bbm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hemlockhill/Spencer.htm http://home.midsouth.rr.com/genealogy/newsom3.htm > Jane Browne Spencer married (2) Thomas Jordan, nephew of Col. George > Jordan. Two daughters, Jane and Mary. Mary married Francis Sowersby. > > Thomas Jordan married (2) Lucy Corker, daughter of the William Corker who > claimed a Richard Pace as headright. http://www.answers.com/topic/four-mile-tree I assume Jordan is also buried here as requested in his will. This would have been close to Paces Paines. http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaschsm/surhist.html NOTES on Surry County http://www.2fools.net/book-0001/0013-0001.html "The preponderance of evidence indicates that Henry Brown acted as guardian for the Jordan Children." .......................... Henry Browne was an early immigrant to Virginia and as a member of the Virginia Council was involved in the politics of Virginia from 1634 to 1662. Governor Argall in 1619 defined the Four Mile Tree (Four miles from Jamestown upriver) as the farthest limits of Jamestown. Henry Browne patented his plantation there on the southside of the James River purchasing portions of it from the heirs of John Smith. He was a member of the Virginia Council in intervals from 1634 to 1662 and a vestryman of Southwarke Parish, Surry County Virginia, in 1661. Southside Virginia Families, Volume I, by John Bennet Boddie, Pacific Coast Publishers, Redwood City, California, 1955. .............. Chippokes Plantation State Park is located off Virginia State Highway 10 in Surry County, Virginia. Chippokes Plantation was established in 1619 by Captain William Powell of the Jamestown Settlement in the Virginia Colony. > It's beginning to seem to me very likely that some of the records in Surry County which mention "Richard Pace" could refer to the Richard Pace who was claimed as a headright by William Corker. > James I don't know how this RICHARD PACE of Surry Co fits in but I think somehow we need to divide the entries for Prince George and Surry into two camps. The RICHARD PACE of Pr. Geo. had a certain group of folks around him on documents as well as physical land area. The RICHARD PACE of Surry had entirely different folks on his documents. When I have time I'll look back and see what happens in Brunswick, Greenville, & even Isle of Wight to the (ID)folks on the documents there. NC also needs to be looked at. Keep in mind that Richard Pace was only named as a "headright", which only shows he came to VA at that time or before. It doesn't say it was the first time in VA. Regards, Becky > --- Joyce <joy_harr@swbell.net> wrote: SEE PREVIOUS POST FROM JOYCE....

    08/11/2006 04:14:12
    1. Richard Paces [was:] Re: [PACE-L] Richard Pace on Wm. Browne's Tithables List 1668/69/70
    2. Rebecca Christensen
    3. This has been an interesting discussion and I hope it continues. I haven't researched the Virginia Paces yet so most of this information is new to me. Both James and Becky have brought up a very *important* concept. It is very important to research the associates - besides the extended family - to sort out entries so they can hopefully be assigned correctly to the right people. Most often it is the neighbors and associates that will provide the evidence, often indirectly, that will answers questions. Many wrong conclusions in genealogy in general have been made in the past because research has not included the associates- but often just the direct family line of interest, ignoring even the siblings and their families. Individuals generally did not move around by themselves, especially in these early times. They moved with extended families (including inlaws with different surnames) and close neighbors. Life on the frontier - in early Virginia all of it was the "frontier" - was difficult and dangerous so you moved with those you knew. The early Richard Pace of North Carolina, for example, should be able to be identified by some of his associates there. It would be expected that some of his associates in North Carolina were associates he knew before he showed up in the North Carolina records - whereever it may be that he came from. But if the only names that are researched in the records are Paces, we probably won't get any farther than we are now. We need to research the individuals and families associated with the Paces as well. Rebecca Christensen Becky Mosely <beckymosely@comcast.net> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" > They all seem to have been associated, though exactly how is not clear to > me. > I don't know how this RICHARD PACE of Surry Co fits in but I think somehow we need to divide the entries for Prince George and Surry into two camps. The RICHARD PACE of Pr. Geo. had a certain group of folks around him on documents as well as physical land area. The RICHARD PACE of Surry had entirely different folks on his documents. When I have time I'll look back and see what happens in Brunswick, Greenville, & even Isle of Wight to the (ID)folks on the documents there. NC also needs to be looked at. Keep in mind that Richard Pace was only named as a "headright", which only shows he came to VA at that time or before. It doesn't say it was the first time in VA. Regards, Becky

    08/11/2006 01:46:28
    1. Maybe Briscoe married the relict of Surry Co. Richd Pace?
    2. James Blair
    3. Is there any proof that the "relict of Richard Pace" who married William Briscoe was the widow of Richard Pace (George, Richard)? Is it possible that Briscoe married the widow of a different Richard Pace -- the Richard Pace who appears on William Browne's tithable list in Surry County? Is anything known which could rule out this possibility? The court cases against "Wm Briscoe as marrying the relict of Richard Pace" all seem to involve people associated with the Brownes, Jordans, etc. 2 Nov 1680, Surry County Virginia Court Book 3 page 324 Judgmt granted Xtopher Foster for nanappearance Wm Briskoe as marrying the Relict of Rich. Pace deced. [Mary Jordan, sister of Col. George Jordan, married (1) Arthur Bayley; married (2) Christopher Foster, 15 June 1677. There was also a son Christopher Foster born of this second marriage. He is named as a nephew in the will of Col. George Jordan (1678). ] 6 Sept 1681, Surry Co. Court Orders Book 3, page 348 Roger Rawlins attorney of Wm Briskoe who married the relict of Rich. Pace dec'd. Agst Mr. Fran. Taylor for expenses in the said Pace's ordinary. [Roger Rawlings was married to Alice Newsome, a daughter of William Newsome. James Jordan (the nephew of Col. George Jordan, the one who married Jane Browne Spencer) also was licensed in 1684 to "keep an ordinary". Why would Richard Pace of Charles City Co. be keeping an ordinary in Surry County? Seems more likely that the Richard Pace who kept the ordinary was the Richard Pace who was associated with the Brownes and the Jordans. Which would mean that Wm Briscoe married the relict of the Surrey County Richard Pace, not Mary the relict of the Charles City County Richard Pace.] Also: 7 Sept 1675, Surry County Virginia Court Book 3 page 98 Attachmt agt. estate Rich. Pace granted Coll. Thomas Swann for 400 lbs tobacco. [Col. George Jordan was godfather to the daughters of Coll. Thomas Swann.] On the other hand, a Jordan is one of the appraisers of the estate of Richard Pace in 1678 in Charles City County. So who knows? James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/11/2006 12:55:31
    1. Richard Pace on Wm. Browne's Tithables List 1668/69/70
    2. Joyce
    3. Having seen mention of the Richard Pace on the 1670 tithables list, thought I'd add that he was also on the lists in 1668 & 1669. Excerpts from each follow. Why he was listed each time with Francis Sorsby, I do not know. Did they live on the same plantation, etc.? - Joyce 1668: A List of Tythables taken by me subscribed ye. 10th. June 1668. Tho. Sowersby............................01 Ffrancis Sorsby, Pace & 1 Sarvt...03 signed Wm. BROWNE 1669: A List of tythables taken by me subscribed ye. 6th. June 1669. Fran. Sorsby & Rich. Pace ...02 signed Will. BROWNE 1670: A List of tythables taken by Me subscribed ye. 7th, June 1670 Ffra. Sorsby & Rich. Pace ...02 signed Wm. BROWNE [jhh note, the earlier section for this year seems to indicate that these are names taken from "ye Lower p:te of Southwarke p:ish taken in June 1670"] One source is: Weynette Parks Haun, compiler, Surry County, Virginia Court Records (Deed Book I) 1664-1671, Book II (Durham, NC:,) I've also xeroxed many, many pages of sequential years of these tithables lists from older issues from one of the "Virginia" magazines, but don't have the folder handy at the moment so can't cite with certainty. - jhh

    08/10/2006 11:45:39
    1. Re: [PACE-L] Richard Pace on Wm. Browne's Tithables List 1668/69/70
    2. James Blair
    3. They all seem to have been associated, though exactly how is not clear to me. 4 Sept 1682, Surry County Records Book 1 and 2 page 321: Estate of Lt. Coll. Geo. Jordan. In a list of 108 names is Richard Pace followed by An Scorby, also on list Catrina Sorsby and Thomas Soworby. The will of George Jordan (1682) was witnessed by William Browne and Robert Spencer. Robert Spencer was married to a Jane Browne. Jane Browne Spencer married (2) Thomas Jordan, nephew of Col. George Jordan. Two daughters, Jane and Mary. Mary married Francis Sowersby. Thomas Jordan married (2) Lucy Corker, daughter of the William Corker who claimed a Richard Pace as headright. Sorry for the lack of dates and sources. Picked up all over the place, just trying to sort it out. It's beginning to seem to me very likely that some of the records in Surry County which mention "Richard Pace" could refer to the Richard Pace who was claimed as a headright by William Corker. James --- Joyce <joy_harr@swbell.net> wrote: > Having seen mention of the Richard Pace on the 1670 > tithables list, thought > I'd add that he was also on the lists in 1668 & 1669. > Excerpts from each > follow. Why he was listed each time with Francis Sorsby, > I do not know. Did > they live on the same plantation, etc.? - Joyce > > > > 1668: > > A List of Tythables taken by me subscribed ye. 10th. June > 1668. > > Tho. Sowersby............................01 > > Ffrancis Sorsby, Pace & 1 Sarvt...03 > > > > signed > > Wm. BROWNE > > > > 1669: > > A List of tythables taken by me subscribed ye. 6th. June > 1669. > > Fran. Sorsby & Rich. Pace ...02 > > > > signed > > Will. BROWNE > > > > 1670: > > A List of tythables taken by Me subscribed ye. 7th, June > 1670 > > Ffra. Sorsby & Rich. Pace ...02 > > > > signed > > Wm. BROWNE > > > > [jhh note, the earlier section for this year seems to > indicate that these > are names taken from "ye Lower p:te of Southwarke p:ish > taken in June 1670"] > > > > One source is: Weynette Parks Haun, compiler, Surry > County, Virginia Court > Records (Deed Book I) 1664-1671, Book II (Durham, NC:,) > > I've also xeroxed many, many pages of sequential years of > these tithables > lists from older issues from one of the "Virginia" > magazines, but don't have > the folder handy at the moment so can't cite with > certainty. - jhh > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at > http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/10/2006 11:20:37
    1. Re: [PACE-L] RE: Minutes of the Council & General Court of VA
    2. James Blair
    3. If George had a younger brother named Richard, that Richard could have married and had a son named Richard who could have been the Richard Pace on William Browne's 1670 tithable list. Is that what you mean? It's an intriguing idea. Such a Richard would be first cousin to George's "sonne and heire" Richard. Or (or rather "and") George's son Richard also could have had a younger brother. I don't see how Richard could have had an older surviving half-brother and still have been George's heir. But he could have had an older half-sister, if George was married before. Either a younger brother, or an older half-sister, could explain the wording in the deed. If George and Sarah had two sons we are inexorably drawn to suppose that the second son might be named George. He would have been born later than 1638. Is there a George Pace in the records who could have been born to George and Sarah? James --- Becky Mosely <beckymosely@comcast.net> wrote: > > PS... Somebody smoke over the possibility that George had > a first wife...and children, considering Browne who was > mentioned earlier was also right here around Gray's > Creek.... Or George wasn't the only child, just the > oldest. > --- Becky Mosely <beckymosely@comcast.net> wrote: > These entries show Richard Pace to be on Powell Land in > 1625. (THANKS KIM) > > A COURTE held the xxx(superscript o) dye of maye 1625 > beinge > p[?}fent [present] > > S(superscript r) ffrancis Wyat Knight Gou(superscript > r)nor & S(superscript r) George Yardly, Knight, > M(superscript r) George Sandys, Threa[?], > Cap(superscript t) Roger Smith, Cap(superscript t) > Samuell Mathews, M(superscript r) > W(superscript m) Cleyborne > > Richard Richardes fworne and Examined fayeth that he went > over to y(superscript e) grounde w(superscript th) > Richard Pace and y(superscript t) Richard Pace went as > overfeer for Cap(supercript t) Powell. And fayeth > y(superscript t) he never harde but y(superscript t) it > was Cap(superscript t) Powells grounde, and > y(superscript t) they cleered it as Cap(superscript t) > Powells ground > (as he ever conceaved) > > Page 65 > > xiii(superscript th) of June 1625 > > A COURTE held the xxxi(superscript th) of June 1625 > beinge > p[?}fent [present] > > S(superscript r) ffra: Wyatt Knight Gouerno(superscript > r) & S(superscript r) George Yardley, Knight, > M(superscript r) George Sandys, Threa[?], > Cap(superscript t) Smith, Cap(superscript t) Samell > Mathews, M(superscript r) Abraham Perfie M(superscript > r) W(superscript m) Cleybourne. > > And further fayeth y(superscript t) Cap(superscript t) > Powell offered M(superscript r) Pace he fhould have the > ground yf he would continue there and builte vppo [build > uppon it], yf he did not [intend] to goe to his owne > Plantacon [c has a wavy line above it], But Rich [c has a > wavy line above it] Pace goinge to his own Plantacone [c > has a wavy line above it], did leave it vpp to > Cap(superscript t) Powell > > COMMENT: At first I assumed the above was speaking of > Powell Brooke.... BUT Powell also had land below Rolfe's > (Roger Smith)... See Matthews note below. > > > CAPT. ROGER SMITH'S PLANTATION > Smith came to Virginia in 1620 and a year later was > named to the Council, being first designated a > "provisionall Councellor" on July 21, 1621. He, it might > be added married Jane, the widow of John Rolfe who is > thought to have been killed in 1622. Perhaps, this gave > him use of the land across the James which Rolfe is > reported to have patented. > Source: VIRGINIA 1607-1682, pg. 82 by Hatch 1957 > > NOTE: Pace's Paines & Rolfe's Pl were across Gray's > Creek from each other. So George & Sarah were in close > proximity to each other while growing up.... > > CAPT. SAMUEL MATHEWS' PLANTATION > Samuel Mathews, long time a councilor in Virginia > beginning in 1624, first came to Virginia, it appears, in > 1620. In November, 1622 there is reference to a patent > granted to him for undertaking to transport 100 persons > to the Colony. About a month later he seems to have been > interested in Captain Powell's cleared ground across the > water from Jamestown. Mathews evidently seated on it and > Powell loaned him "the howses of the upper fort for the > use of his servants." In 1625 the court saw no way to > "put Captain Samuell Mathews who is presently seated > there-on, out of possessione" in spite of a petition to > do this. > In a listing of land grants in 1625, there is > reference to Mathews "Divident planted" although no > acreage is mentioned. The same list indicated that > Powell had earlier received two tracts of 200 and 550 > acres respectively, both of which were now "planted" over > the water from Jamestown. > Source: VIRGINIA 1607-1682, pg. 82 by Hatch 1957 > > Comment: Believe the above land is what is mentioned in > the Pace documents, rather than Powell Brooke which is > miles (perhaps 20) north and not across from Jamestown at > all. (Powell Brooke & Maycocks are also across a creek > from each other.) > > slowly, slowly I am coming around to the Maycock camp.... > > DOES any of the above make sense? Regards, Becky > > PS... Somebody smoke over the possibility that George had > a first wife...and children, considering Browne who was > mentioned earlier was also right here around Gray's > Creek.... Or George wasn't the only child, just the > oldest. > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to > PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word message: > subscribe OR unsubscribe > For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/10/2006 09:02:48
    1. Re: [PACE-L] RE: Minutes of the Council & General Court of VA
    2. James Blair
    3. Is this the area that is called Tappahanna?(http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj8&fileName=mtj8pagevc04.db&recNum=586) It seems that some claimed that the land in question was owned communally, whereas William Powell claimed it belonged to him. In a court record of 1625, it's stated or claimed that "the piece of ground belonging to Capt. Powell, Richard Pace, Wm Pery, Thomas Gages, Richard Richards, and Hugh Crowthers had been cleared for the use of all concerned." "Hugh Crowthers declared that the land was not cleared for Capt. Powell or anyone else in particular and that furthermore six of his family who did help to clear the ground had noe share. Hugh Crowthers here further declared that Capt. Mathews had worked as hard as anyone to bring this land to perfection... " I only saw a transcript of this record, and don't have the exact date. Perhaps it is part of the same record as the one you quote, in May 1625. Evidently Richard Pace gave witness for William Powell, and Powell won the case. James --- Becky Mosely <beckymosely@comcast.net> wrote: > These entries show Richard Pace to be on Powell Land in > 1625. (THANKS KIM) > > A COURTE held the xxx(superscript o) dye of maye 1625 > beinge > p[?}fent [present] > > S(superscript r) ffrancis Wyat Knight Gou(superscript > r)nor & S(superscript r) George Yardly, Knight, > M(superscript r) George Sandys, Threa[?], > Cap(superscript t) Roger Smith, Cap(superscript t) > Samuell Mathews, M(superscript r) > W(superscript m) Cleyborne > > Richard Richardes fworne and Examined fayeth that he went > over to y(superscript e) grounde w(superscript th) > Richard Pace and y(superscript t) Richard Pace went as > overfeer for Cap(supercript t) Powell. And fayeth > y(superscript t) he never harde but y(superscript t) it > was Cap(superscript t) Powells grounde, and > y(superscript t) they cleered it as Cap(superscript t) > Powells ground > (as he ever conceaved) > > Page 65 > > xiii(superscript th) of June 1625 > > A COURTE held the xxxi(superscript th) of June 1625 > beinge > p[?}fent [present] > > S(superscript r) ffra: Wyatt Knight Gouerno(superscript > r) & S(superscript r) George Yardley, Knight, > M(superscript r) George Sandys, Threa[?], > Cap(superscript t) Smith, Cap(superscript t) Samell > Mathews, M(superscript r) Abraham Perfie M(superscript > r) W(superscript m) Cleybourne. > > And further fayeth y(superscript t) Cap(superscript t) > Powell offered M(superscript r) Pace he fhould have the > ground yf he would continue there and builte vppo [build > uppon it], yf he did not [intend] to goe to his owne > Plantacon [c has a wavy line above it], But Rich [c has a > wavy line above it] Pace goinge to his own Plantacone [c > has a wavy line above it], did leave it vpp to > Cap(superscript t) Powell > > COMMENT: At first I assumed the above was speaking of > Powell Brooke.... BUT Powell also had land below Rolfe's > (Roger Smith)... See Matthews note below. > > > CAPT. ROGER SMITH'S PLANTATION > Smith came to Virginia in 1620 and a year later was > named to the Council, being first designated a > "provisionall Councellor" on July 21, 1621. He, it might > be added married Jane, the widow of John Rolfe who is > thought to have been killed in 1622. Perhaps, this gave > him use of the land across the James which Rolfe is > reported to have patented. > Source: VIRGINIA 1607-1682, pg. 82 by Hatch 1957 > > NOTE: Pace's Paines & Rolfe's Pl were across Gray's > Creek from each other. So George & Sarah were in close > proximity to each other while growing up.... > > CAPT. SAMUEL MATHEWS' PLANTATION > Samuel Mathews, long time a councilor in Virginia > beginning in 1624, first came to Virginia, it appears, in > 1620. In November, 1622 there is reference to a patent > granted to him for undertaking to transport 100 persons > to the Colony. About a month later he seems to have been > interested in Captain Powell's cleared ground across the > water from Jamestown. Mathews evidently seated on it and > Powell loaned him "the howses of the upper fort for the > use of his servants." In 1625 the court saw no way to > "put Captain Samuell Mathews who is presently seated > there-on, out of possessione" in spite of a petition to > do this. > In a listing of land grants in 1625, there is > reference to Mathews "Divident planted" although no > acreage is mentioned. The same list indicated that > Powell had earlier received two tracts of 200 and 550 > acres respectively, both of which were now "planted" over > the water from Jamestown. > Source: VIRGINIA 1607-1682, pg. 82 by Hatch 1957 > > Comment: Believe the above land is what is mentioned in > the Pace documents, rather than Powell Brooke which is > miles (perhaps 20) north and not across from Jamestown at > all. (Powell Brooke & Maycocks are also across a creek > from each other.) > > slowly, slowly I am coming around to the Maycock camp.... > > DOES any of the above make sense? Regards, Becky > > PS... Somebody smoke over the possibility that George had > a first wife...and children, considering Browne who was > mentioned earlier was also right here around Gray's > Creek.... Or George wasn't the only child, just the > oldest. > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to > PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word message: > subscribe OR unsubscribe > For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/10/2006 08:33:42
    1. Re: [PACE-L] Documents, questions, speculations
    2. In a message dated 8/8/2006 10:15:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, gordonwpace@peoplepc.com writes: James: Your message suggests that we don't know who the children were of the Richard Pace who was a son of George Pace and Sarah Maycock. I think this is fairly well known: Richard III b. 1661, Sarah b. 1662, George b. abt 1663, Elizabeth b. 1664, James b. 1666, John, Sr b. 1668 and Ann b. 1674. Gordon W. Pace ************************ 8/10/06 Kathlynn writes: Hi Gordon, What is your source/documentation? [see mine below] Here is what I have = ALMOST the same as what you have. [I'm now sooo confused about the "paper trail ended" and "we don't know who Richard's children are."]. I descended from *Amy Pace and I am aware this is another controversial issue, I believe some think Amy was dtr. Of Thomas & Amelia Boykin. However I currently believe I have the following connections right, but if you, or anyone else, have anything that indicates otherwise please let me know.....Puleeeze? Descendants of Richard Pace [>George/Sarah Maycock > Richard/Isabella Smyth] 1 Richard Pace 1638 - 1677/78 +Mary ________?, [maybe Baker] 1640 - 2 Richard Pace 1661 - 1738 +Rebecca Poythress 2 Sarah Pace 1662 - 2 George Pace 1663 - 2 Thomas Pace 1665 - 2 James Pace 1666 - 1735 +Elizabeth Lowe 3 Richard Pace 1690 - +Sarah Woodlief 1696 - 4 Richard Pace, Jr. 1718 - +Elizabeth ________? 5 Anne Pace *5 Amy Pace 1739 - 1815 +Solomon Strickland, Sr. 1735 - 1818 5 William Pace 1745 - 4 Francis Pace 1719 - +Ann ________? 4 John Pace 4 Sarah Pace, [not proven] +John Bonner 4 Elizabeth Pace, [not proven] +Richard Biggins 3 George Pace 3 James Pace 3 Solomon Pace *2nd Wife of James Pace: +Sarah Eppes 1671 - 2 John Pace 1669 - 1727 2 Ann Pace 1671 - 2 Elizabeth Pace 1673 - Sources for Information: Bruce Howard describes the hard economic times they were living in. Richard and Mary left Charles City Co., and moved to Southwarke Parish where he owned and operated a road tavern, called in VA an "Ordinary" for the accommodation of travelers. He moved later to York Co., where he probably worked as a carpenter, and then back to the area of James Town. He died sometime prior to Feb., 1678, before having made a will and leaving some substantial debts unpaid. Mary filed a petition to administer the estate, which she was granted. The list of the children of Richard and Mary is from a letter written in 1791 by Mrs. Winnifred, Acock Lane of GA, about her Pace ancestors.

    08/10/2006 05:17:43
    1. Re: [PACE-L] RE-COUSIN'S TRYING TO PRONOUNCE WORDS TO DAY FROM MIDDLESEX COUNTY
    2. Thanks--and I might add, pronunciations change over time. The way Virginians pronounce things today may not be the way they pronounced them back then. For example, linguistic studies have shown that much southern speech was influenced by African speech--after all in many households it was a slave "mammy" who looked after the kids. My grandfather said "b'ar" for bear and "painter" for panther, but you don't hear that today even in Ozarkian speech. So we really don't know if "Matocks" would be pronounced "May-tocks" or not, but since there is no Matocks plantation listed, I think the best assumption is that it is a corruption of Maycocks. However, since we can't confirm it, this has to remain just an "educated guess", not a fact. Roy -------------- Original message from Atpowelljr@aol.com: -------------- > > The State of Virginia Has 5 distinct Dialects. > > I was raised in Amherst , Amelia & Appomatox Counties & have lived in > Russell, County, Lynchburg, Roanoke & have lived in Henrico County since 1965. > > For those of us that are not up on Va, Talk/TAUK, CUZ ya Haint heahd, > nuttin yet, In Amherst & Appomattox, A farmer says WHOA to stop his horse, in > Amelia County, They say WAHY. > > In Amherst & Appomattox is like out sounds, in Russell County, it > sounds like, Ouet. > > NOW i would think that Some of our Cousins Have been to the Oyster Festival > at URBANA, Va. > > For we say LIKE the DOG, in Urbana it Sounds like LOG Sounds > like AND Believe me ya should hear > them say < MUD DUCK> & some one trying to tell Cousin Roy Johnson How to > SAY MAY, MaCOCKS, MaCox, > Maytox, MyTOX, > > SOME of My Family name's, Wilmore/Wilmer, Tomlinson/Tomlin. Harvie/Harvey < > A P Howell To William Powell. > > COUSINS, untill you visit these areas from whence OUR Ancestors, Came from & > through, > from. > > The name of Taliferro is Pronounced Toliver I the Middlesex AREA. I have > heard over Yonder pronounced OVA Yhonda. > > YOUNGENS ah,m tellin ya ya haint heyad nuttin yet, ya git bak-upar in em > mountins, ay noze ah stranger at fust word. > > So kinda let up on ole cuz Roy, I don't know ifen he iz up on de taukin in > Middlesex County Va, But ifn He aint, WEll he is as near right as any one. > YOU Eva listened to a C B Radio, IN N. C. > > HOW ABOUT, some one From, Wisc, Minn, Mich, They use D Instead of T in > their words. > > AND, WHY would someone SAY, you know I don't Know, An up State OR Pa Truck > Driver on a C B. > > SO Cousins I am willing to Accept Cousin Roy's Version > > CUZ A T > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at http://genforum.com/pace/ > and the Pace Network at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace >

    08/10/2006 12:06:11
    1. RE: Minutes of the Council & General Court of VA
    2. Becky Mosely
    3. These entries show Richard Pace to be on Powell Land in 1625. (THANKS KIM) A COURTE held the xxx(superscript o) dye of maye 1625 beinge p[?}fent [present] S(superscript r) ffrancis Wyat Knight Gou(superscript r)nor & S(superscript r) George Yardly, Knight, M(superscript r) George Sandys, Threa[?], Cap(superscript t) Roger Smith, Cap(superscript t) Samuell Mathews, M(superscript r) W(superscript m) Cleyborne Richard Richardes fworne and Examined fayeth that he went over to y(superscript e) grounde w(superscript th) Richard Pace and y(superscript t) Richard Pace went as overfeer for Cap(supercript t) Powell. And fayeth y(superscript t) he never harde but y(superscript t) it was Cap(superscript t) Powells grounde, and y(superscript t) they cleered it as Cap(superscript t) Powells ground (as he ever conceaved) Page 65 xiii(superscript th) of June 1625 A COURTE held the xxxi(superscript th) of June 1625 beinge p[?}fent [present] S(superscript r) ffra: Wyatt Knight Gouerno(superscript r) & S(superscript r) George Yardley, Knight, M(superscript r) George Sandys, Threa[?], Cap(superscript t) Smith, Cap(superscript t) Samell Mathews, M(superscript r) Abraham Perfie M(superscript r) W(superscript m) Cleybourne. And further fayeth y(superscript t) Cap(superscript t) Powell offered M(superscript r) Pace he fhould have the ground yf he would continue there and builte vppo [build uppon it], yf he did not [intend] to goe to his owne Plantacon [c has a wavy line above it], But Rich [c has a wavy line above it] Pace goinge to his own Plantacone [c has a wavy line above it], did leave it vpp to Cap(superscript t) Powell COMMENT: At first I assumed the above was speaking of Powell Brooke.... BUT Powell also had land below Rolfe's (Roger Smith)... See Matthews note below. CAPT. ROGER SMITH'S PLANTATION Smith came to Virginia in 1620 and a year later was named to the Council, being first designated a "provisionall Councellor" on July 21, 1621. He, it might be added married Jane, the widow of John Rolfe who is thought to have been killed in 1622. Perhaps, this gave him use of the land across the James which Rolfe is reported to have patented. Source: VIRGINIA 1607-1682, pg. 82 by Hatch 1957 NOTE: Pace's Paines & Rolfe's Pl were across Gray's Creek from each other. So George & Sarah were in close proximity to each other while growing up.... CAPT. SAMUEL MATHEWS' PLANTATION Samuel Mathews, long time a councilor in Virginia beginning in 1624, first came to Virginia, it appears, in 1620. In November, 1622 there is reference to a patent granted to him for undertaking to transport 100 persons to the Colony. About a month later he seems to have been interested in Captain Powell's cleared ground across the water from Jamestown. Mathews evidently seated on it and Powell loaned him "the howses of the upper fort for the use of his servants." In 1625 the court saw no way to "put Captain Samuell Mathews who is presently seated there-on, out of possessione" in spite of a petition to do this. In a listing of land grants in 1625, there is reference to Mathews "Divident planted" although no acreage is mentioned. The same list indicated that Powell had earlier received two tracts of 200 and 550 acres respectively, both of which were now "planted" over the water from Jamestown. Source: VIRGINIA 1607-1682, pg. 82 by Hatch 1957 Comment: Believe the above land is what is mentioned in the Pace documents, rather than Powell Brooke which is miles (perhaps 20) north and not across from Jamestown at all. (Powell Brooke & Maycocks are also across a creek from each other.) slowly, slowly I am coming around to the Maycock camp.... DOES any of the above make sense? Regards, Becky PS... Somebody smoke over the possibility that George had a first wife...and children, considering Browne who was mentioned earlier was also right here around Gray's Creek.... Or George wasn't the only child, just the oldest.

    08/10/2006 10:01:57
    1. RE-COUSIN'S TRYING TO PRONOUNCE WORDS TO DAY FROM MIDDLESEX COUNTY
    2. The State of Virginia Has 5 distinct Dialects. I was raised in Amherst , Amelia & Appomatox Counties & have lived in Russell, County, Lynchburg, Roanoke & have lived in Henrico County since 1965. For those of us that are not up on Va, Talk/TAUK, CUZ ya Haint heahd, nuttin yet, In Amherst & Appomattox, A farmer says WHOA to stop his horse, in Amelia County, They say WAHY. In Amherst & Appomattox <HOUSE> is like out sounds, in Russell County, it sounds like, Ouet. NOW i would think that Some of our Cousins Have been to the Oyster Festival at URBANA, Va. For <DOG> we say LIKE the DOG, in Urbana it Sounds like <DUG> LOG Sounds like <LUG> AND Believe me ya should hear them say < MUD DUCK> & some one trying to tell Cousin Roy Johnson How to SAY <MAYCOCKS> MAY, MaCOCKS, MaCox, Maytox, MyTOX, SOME of My Family name's, Wilmore/Wilmer, Tomlinson/Tomlin. Harvie/Harvey < A P Howell To William Powell. COUSINS, untill you visit these areas from whence OUR Ancestors, Came from & through, <I do not question what a name sounds like until I know where it is from. The name of Taliferro is Pronounced Toliver I the Middlesex AREA. I have heard over Yonder pronounced OVA Yhonda. YOUNGENS ah,m tellin ya ya haint heyad nuttin yet, ya git bak-upar in em mountins, ay noze ah stranger at fust word. So kinda let up on ole cuz Roy, I don't know ifen he iz up on de taukin in Middlesex County Va, But ifn He aint, WEll he is as near right as any one. YOU Eva listened to a C B Radio, IN N. C. HOW ABOUT, some one From, Wisc, Minn, Mich, They use D Instead of T in their words. AND, WHY would someone SAY, you know I don't Know, An up State OR Pa Truck Driver on a C B. SO Cousins I am willing to Accept Cousin Roy's Version CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

    08/10/2006 06:36:16
    1. Jamestown Plantations
    2. Melea Allan
    3. Hi, Many of the last postings have been about location of the Maycock Plantation and the Pace's Paines Plantations. The booklet "The First Seventeen Years Virginia, 1607-1624" by Charles E. Hatch, jr. Jamestown Booklet No. 1 published by the University Press of Virginia Charlottesville the booklet was copyright in 1957 an I have an 8th printing copy from 1987. There is a map on pages 32 and 33 which lists 46 of the plantations of the area along the James River and their releationship to each other. The map does not give a lot of detail but each plantation is listed with a circled number and you can see who was who's neighbor and what side of the river they were on. The booklet also gives a brif history of the plantation varying in length from about a half page to a page and a half. On the Maycock's Plantation it gives the location as "upriver from Jamestown on the south side next above Flowerdieu Hundred" (2 paragraphs of information in booklet) Paces-Paines it states that "Richard Pace, late in 1620,braved the wilds over the river from Jamestown" it gives the location as "It was in the territory of Tappahanna in the western extremity of the Corporation of James City. Adjoining him was the 100 acre tract granted, at the same time, to Francis Chapman . . . John Burrows became one of their neighbors." (booklet has about 1 1/2 pages of information) I purchased my booklet through the mail some years ago. When I was in Jamestown area I saw it for purchase there also this was several years ago. I remember it being in about the $10 range in price. I hope this helps Melea --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

    08/10/2006 04:40:10
    1. Re: [PACE-L] Research
    2. James Blair
    3. Sorry but I don't understand your question. The extract I quoted does not say George received the land in 1650. It says "...SOLD [my caps] by my deceased father 12 Oct 1650 to Mr Thomas Drewe..." We don't know for sure how or when the land being sold was acquired by George Pace. It could be part of land previously patented by GP (using headrights) or it could be part of the land inherited by him, or it could be part of land which Sarah Maycock brought to the marriage, or it could be a mixture of any of these. My personal interpretation of the deed is that Richard as heir of both George and Sarah is confirming the sale of land which includes land in which both George and also Sarah had an interest. Now whether Sarah's interest arose because it was land that she had inherited from her father, or because it was the 200 acres that she was granted in 1626 -- who knows? I don't think we know where the 200-acre grant was taken up. That's how I understand it, but I could be wrong. James --- roy.w.johnson@att.net wrote: > Am I missing something? > > From your post below it looks as if George RECEIVED the > land in 1650, not that he sold it. > > Then Richard is selling some land (part of that land or > different land? Was any of the land sold within the land > that his mother received? Either way, that would be why > he would need to mention them. > > Roy > > -------------- Original message from James Blair > <jnb05042000@yahoo.com>: -------------- > > > > That is indeed good news. > > > > Regarding the deed of 1658: is it certain that the land > > > being sold was wholly contained within the 1700 acres > which > > George Pace patented by headrights on 1 August 1650? > > > > There are a couple of things which seem rather curious > > about this deed. To begin with, why does the sale of > 1650 > > need confirming by George's son in 1658? And, as you > say, > > why does he need to name his mother? > > > > According to the abstract in the Avant book, Richard > Pace > > says: > > > > "I, Richard Pace, sonne and heire apparent of Mr. > George > > Pace, of the Co. of Charles City, att Mount March in > > Virginia, and sonn and heire as the first issue by my > > mother, Mrs Sara Macocke, wife unto my aforesaid father > > > (being both deceased) do hereby...sell 800 or 900 acres > of > > land being neere unto Pierce's Hundred, alias Flowerday > > > Hundred, sold by my deceased father 12 Oct 1650 to Mr. > > Thomas Drewe..." > > > > George Pace was still alive two years later on 6 > December > > 1652 when he was granted 507 acres in Charles City > County > > on the south side of the James River and the East side > of > > Powells Creek, due for the transportation of ten > persons. > > > > Did some doubt arise, after the death of George Pace, > as to > > whether he had been clearly entitled to sell the land? > > > > If his wife had an interest in the land, but the sale > was > > for some reason accomplished without her signature or > > acknowledgment, that might explain both the need for > > confirmation (by the man who was heir to both George > and > > Sarah) and the need to explicitly name Sarah Maycocke > in > > the deed. > > > > So it would be interesting to figure out if possible > what > > land was being sold by George Pace, and where Samuel > > Maycock lived before he died. Somewhere I've seen an > > account of the dead which indicated that he lived near > > Flowerdew Hundred, but I can't recall now what document > > > that was. > > > > It seems likely that the 200 acres which was granted to > > > Sarah in 1626 would be adjacent to the land which > Samuel > > Maycock had before he died. > > > > Did Samuel Maycock actually patent that land? Or was he > > > just living on it? Do we know? > > > > James > > > > > > --- Becky Mosely wrote: > > > > > Good news, I've found someone to retrieve Richard > Pace, > > > etc. documents. The person I depended on has moved to > DC > > > so had to locate another. > > > > > > On the Sarah who? debate.... I cannot understand why > he > > > would have had to name anyone concerning the land he > > > PURCHASED himself with headrights. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > > To share info which may be of interest to others, reply > to the mail list > > (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise > reply personally, reply to > > sender. > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post > or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, > Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com > > James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/09/2006 10:58:14
    1. Correction for previous message just sent
    2. Whoops, I just realized I made a BIG boo boo. Roy, I just went back to the site after I sent the last message and realized YOU DO have the info about Sarah and her born date. I really should have send only the proof for the date of the massacre. But I got to slap happy and copied and pasted all I had in Sarah's note section. I'm so sorry about that. Just delete/ignore all except the Massacre date from the Library of Congress-Thomas Jefferson Papers, etc. And please forgive me for trying to recall it all from memory of yesterday and not double checking again before I sent the message. I'll be careful and try not to do that again. ~Kathlynn~

    08/09/2006 08:00:37
    1. Addition/correction for web site
    2. Att: Roy, I also noticed you have the massacre date as Mar 22,1622 on the web site. There was also many post made to the list in June and July in reference to the factual date of the massacre....which all started because a list member posted a message stating Samuel Maycock could not possible be the father of Sarah because he died a year or more before she was born [something like that]. Plus I have personally seen where some earlier researchers claim the massacre occurred in 1621 and others claim 1622. The following is the proof and comments that should put a stop to that controversial issue. I am hopeful you will consider changing the date on the site in order to prevent this same problem from continuing in the future. Its getting late so I am copying/pasting exactly what I have from my genealogy program notes section, some may be redundant but I am too spent to edit. Feel free to edit and eliminate or change whatever you deem necessary. Documents for proof of claims: 1. FACT: March 22, 1621 IS THE CORRECT DATE OF THE JAMESTOWN INDIAN MASSACRE...[not March 22, 1622, per some researchers claims that are currently in circulation. This date is based on the Old Julian Calendar that was used during this time frame. NOTE: The following Order was written March 4, 1622...however it states Massacre occurred 22 day of March last = 1621. From The Library of Congress web site: _http://memory.loc.gov/ cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj8&fileName=mtj8pagevc04.db&recNum=57_ (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj8&fileName=mtj8pagevc04.db&recNum=57) The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 8. Virginia Records Manuscripts. 1606-1737. Susan Myra Kingsbury, editor: Records of the Virginia Company, 1606-26, Volume IV: Miscellaneous Records, Image 58 - page 40 CCXCII. Governor in Virginia. Order to Keep the 22d. of March Holy. March 4, 1622/3 Manuscript Records Virginia Company, III, pt. ii, p. 51a Document in Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. List of Records No. 417 By the Governor and Capt generall of Virginia In consideration of Gods most mercifull delivrance of so many in this Countrie of Virginia from the treachery of the Indians on the 22th day of March last: The Governor wth the advice of the Counsell of State hath thought it very fitt, that the 22th day of March both this prsent yeare and for ever herafter (in memory of that great prservation) be in this Countrie celebrated Holy: And therefore doth straightly charg and Comand, Capt Willm Tuckar, that he, and all other that are any way undr his charge, do keep that day holy, spending the same in prayer thanksgiveing to God, and other holy exercises; not suffering any of them to worke, as he will answer the contrary at his perill. Given at James Cittie the 4th day of March 1622. The like (mutatis mutandis) to the Comander of each Plantation. Francis Wyatt Kathlynn comments: The following facts have to be kept in mind in order to prevent one from instantly thinking that Sarah Maycock born 1622/23 [based on the fact she is found at age 2 on January 29,1624/25 VA Musters] can not possibly be the daughter of Samuel Maycock who was killed March 22, 1621/22 in the Indian Massacre. Factually, these dates are correct, but they don't make sense unless one realizes: [a] The Indian Massacre occurred March 22, 1621 aka March 22, 1621/22. Most web sites and published books claim the Massacre date as March 22, 1622 [per Gregorian calendar]. This is incorrect and what causes difficulty when trying to make other document dates fit. In reference to Sarah muster dates information and father Samuel's massacre death date, regardless of which date is used they all fit perfectly, i.e., IF you use Julian dates consistantly [or Gregorian dates consistantly]. [b] The Old Julian Calendar dates were used during this time frame when the year began on March 25 and continued to March 25 of the following year. In 1752 the current Gregorian Calendar was adopted and a year was changed from January to January. [c] Volume year dates such as March 5, 1623/24 offer both the Old Julian year date and the New Gregorian year date and the volume dates are used only for the months of January 1 to March 25. [d] It is interesting to note this fact: There was only three days [not a year] between the above dates March 22, 1621/22 and March 25, 1622/23. Therefore, a child born anytime during January 1621 up to March 25, 1622 would be only be a few months older than a child born on or after March 25, 1622 [not a year or more older}. Likewise, a child born March 24, 1621 would be only 1 day older than one born 25 March 1622. [e] Sarah's mother, Mrs Samuel Maycock, was either pregnant with Sarah at the time Samuel was killed, and Sarah was born just a few months later. Or if the mother was killed in the massacre then Sarah would have been just a tiny infant. [f] You can NOT make dates fit if you use a Julian date from one document and a Gregorian date from another. Conclusion: Using both Julian/Gregorian calendar dates: Samuel killed March 22, 1621/22. Sarah was age 2 on January 29, 1624/25 muster = born 1622/23. Which appears Sarah was age 2, but not yet 3 when the muster was taken. Have I said that right? 6/18/2006 Jim > _jim@williamson-clan.com_ (mailto:jim@williamson-clan.com) writes: Kathlynn, I think we are saying the same thing. I think I just got mixed up swapping calendars back and forth. To keep me from becoming befuddled again, I am strickly using Julian calendar only and working backward: January 29th, 1624 Muster taken - Sarah has passed her second birthday but not yet attained her third January 29th, 1623 Sarah is past her first birthday but not yet attained her second. January 29th, 1622 Sarah has not reached her 1st birthday, but would have been born. Conclusion: It is possible then, for Sarah to have been born prior to the massacre on March 22nd, 1621, but no earlier than January 30th, 1621. 7/9/2006 8:43:32 AM Joe Anderson > _janders45@hotmail.com_ (mailto:janders45@hotmail.com) writes: I realize that my opinion makes no material contribution to the advancement of Pace research. I offer it in the hope that someone will correct me where I am wrong and help me to formulate a better hypothesis which will always be subject to change in the face of new evidence or when presented with a more logical interpretation of current evidence. So, here's my opinion, formed from discussions on this list, and totally unsupported by references to specific documents or links to previous posts: 1. Samuel Maycock died in the massacre. 2. His daughter, Sarah, born shortly before or not long after the massacre, survived him. 3. His wife, Mrs. Samuel Maycock, died in the massacre or not long after, possibly in the epidemic following the massacre. 4. Capt. Roger Smith took the orphan Sarah into his household and appears to be acting as her guardian, witness the Council's declaration of young Sarah's right to 200 acres of land. 5. Blanks to be filled in here. 6. On coming of age (perhaps mid teens), the orphan Sarah marries George Pace, son of Richard. Kathlynn comments: I agree! It is done, it is finished, it is sealed....and I have entered daughter Sarah's born date as Bet. January 30, 1621/22 & March 22, 1621/1622. And it a definate if her mother was killed in the massacre she would have to have born prior to March 22, 1621/22, thence, a tiny infant when her parents were killed. And if the ca 1637 marriage date estimate for George and Sarah is correct, then she would have been married at about age 16 or 17.....not 12 or 13 per some earlier researchers claim. However, I have not carved in stone yet....so if anyone disagrees, please inform me.

    08/09/2006 07:34:50
    1. Re: [PACE-L] Maycock's
    2. -------------- Original message from "Becky Mosely" <beckymosely@comcast.net>: -------------- George's Patent 1650: "commonly called Matocks....." (I haven't been able to locate a plantation on the James called Matocks, on Powell's Creek by Pierce's Hundred.) Bruce Howard, of course, thinks this is a corruption of Maycocks. Several have questioned this because Matocks would today be pronounced with a short "a" but that was not necessarily so then. Maycocks could be easily corrupted and pronounced "May-tocks" and spelled Matocks. I have heard many similar letters crisscrossed like this in the area where I live. In the absence of any place named Matocks, I would lean to this as a possible conclusion. Roy

    08/09/2006 06:08:58
    1. Re: [PACE-L] Research
    2. Am I missing something? From your post below it looks as if George RECEIVED the land in 1650, not that he sold it. Then Richard is selling some land (part of that land or different land? Was any of the land sold within the land that his mother received? Either way, that would be why he would need to mention them. Roy -------------- Original message from James Blair <jnb05042000@yahoo.com>: -------------- > That is indeed good news. > > Regarding the deed of 1658: is it certain that the land > being sold was wholly contained within the 1700 acres which > George Pace patented by headrights on 1 August 1650? > > There are a couple of things which seem rather curious > about this deed. To begin with, why does the sale of 1650 > need confirming by George's son in 1658? And, as you say, > why does he need to name his mother? > > According to the abstract in the Avant book, Richard Pace > says: > > "I, Richard Pace, sonne and heire apparent of Mr. George > Pace, of the Co. of Charles City, att Mount March in > Virginia, and sonn and heire as the first issue by my > mother, Mrs Sara Macocke, wife unto my aforesaid father > (being both deceased) do hereby...sell 800 or 900 acres of > land being neere unto Pierce's Hundred, alias Flowerday > Hundred, sold by my deceased father 12 Oct 1650 to Mr. > Thomas Drewe..." > > George Pace was still alive two years later on 6 December > 1652 when he was granted 507 acres in Charles City County > on the south side of the James River and the East side of > Powells Creek, due for the transportation of ten persons. > > Did some doubt arise, after the death of George Pace, as to > whether he had been clearly entitled to sell the land? > > If his wife had an interest in the land, but the sale was > for some reason accomplished without her signature or > acknowledgment, that might explain both the need for > confirmation (by the man who was heir to both George and > Sarah) and the need to explicitly name Sarah Maycocke in > the deed. > > So it would be interesting to figure out if possible what > land was being sold by George Pace, and where Samuel > Maycock lived before he died. Somewhere I've seen an > account of the dead which indicated that he lived near > Flowerdew Hundred, but I can't recall now what document > that was. > > It seems likely that the 200 acres which was granted to > Sarah in 1626 would be adjacent to the land which Samuel > Maycock had before he died. > > Did Samuel Maycock actually patent that land? Or was he > just living on it? Do we know? > > James > > > --- Becky Mosely wrote: > > > Good news, I've found someone to retrieve Richard Pace, > > etc. documents. The person I depended on has moved to DC > > so had to locate another. > > > > On the Sarah who? debate.... I cannot understand why he > > would have had to name anyone concerning the land he > > PURCHASED himself with headrights. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list > (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, reply to > sender. >

    08/09/2006 05:56:36
    1. Richard Pace - Minutes of the Council & General Court of Colonial Virginia
    2. More information regarding Richard Pace in the book: Minutes of the Council & General Court of Colonial Virginia. First printed in 1924, reprinted by the Virginia State Library in 1979. Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac Page 63 xxx(superscript o) dye of maye 1625 A COURTE held the xxx(superscript o) dye of maye 1625 beinge p[?}fent [present] S(superscript r) ffrancis Wyat Knight Gou(superscript r)nor & S(superscript r) George Yardly, Knight, M(superscript r) George Sandys, Threa[?], Cap(superscript t) Roger Smith, Cap(superscript t) Samuell Mathews, M(superscript r) W(superscript m) Cleyborne Richard Richardes fworne and Examined fayeth that he went over to y(superscript e) grounde w(superscript th) Richard Pace and y(superscript t) Richard Pace went as overfeer for Cap(supercript t) Powell. And fayeth y(superscript t) he never harde but y(superscript t) it was Cap(superscript t) Powells grounde, and y(superscript t) they cleered it as Cap(superscript t) Powells ground (as he ever conceaved) Page 65 xiii(superscript th) of June 1625 A COURTE held the xxxi(superscript th) of June 1625 beinge p[?}fent [present] S(superscript r) ffra: Wyatt Knight Gouerno(superscript r) & S(superscript r) George Yardley, Knight, M(superscript r) George Sandys, Threa[?], Cap(superscript t) Smith, Cap(superscript t) Samell Mathews, M(superscript r) Abraham Perfie M(superscript r) W(superscript m) Cleybourne. And further fayeth y(superscript t) Cap(superscript t) Powell offered M(superscript r) Pace he fhould have the ground yf he would continue there and builte vppo [build uppon it], yf he did not [intend] to goe to his owne Plantacon [c has a wavy line above it], But Rich [c has a wavy line above it] Pace goinge to his own Plantacone [c has a wavy line above it], did leave it vpp to Cap(superscript t) Powell Page 159 21(superscript th) of January 1627 A COURTE at James Citty the 21(superscript th) of January 1627. p[?}fent [present] Cap(superscript t) ffrancis Weft Efq(superscript r) &c. Cap(superscript t) Smyth M(superscript r) Secretary. At this Court Richard Richards & Rich: Dolphenby came & did freely & fully furrender & giue vpp all their rigt tittle & intereft in one hundred acres of land belonging & graunted by Patent vnto ffrancis Chapman planter & fcituate nere vnto Paces-Paines vnto Izabella the wife of Willm [m has a wavy line above it] Perry of the fame place gent & hir heires & affignes for euer

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