New 67 marker DNA results have been posted for kit number 127433, who gives the following lineage: donor father James Mitchel Pace Josephus Pace Hiram Kimsey Pace Daniel Kimsey Pace Burell Pace John Pace m. Sarah Perfect 25/25 match for the modal in group 3b. This donor submits the same lineage from grandfather on back as kit number 13700 and matches 24/25 with 13700. 36/37 match for the modal in group 3b. The only difference is in marker 35 with a one step mutation. This same mutation is shown in kit number 6280, who posts this lineage: 1. 0. Donor 2. 1. Father 3. 3. Grandfather 4. GEORGE ROBERT PACE was born on September 27, 1864 in Milton County, GA + DORA ELLEN TURLEY (Documented) 5. JONATHAN PACE was born on April 1, 1815 in Rutherford County, NC + MARY THOMPSON (Documented) 6. CORNELIUS PACE was born about 1787 in Spartanburg County, SC + ? ROYAL (Relationship tenuous but probable; some documentation) 7. BURRELL PACE was born about 1758 in Prince George County, VA + LYDIA WOODRUFF (Documentation; relationship highly probable) 8. JOHN PACE However there is a difference of 1 in these donors in marker 23. The similarity in marker 35 may not have much meaning. I have the chart ready to post when the site is back in operation. Roy Johnson

I can't access the Pace site to post the revised charts that I just announced; perhaps it is temporarily down. Roy Johnson

Kit 55000 submits this lineage: . Donor * 1. Father * 2. Grandfather * 3. JOHN ASHLY PACE b Oct 1861 Fannin Co. TX d Abt. 1921/22 -----Lamar or Fannin Co. TX + GEORGIE MAE SCALES (sources for John and Georgie are verbal information from living individuals, including my father, grandmother, and great aunt. Some of my family still residing in Fannin/Grayson/Lamar county have most of the documented sources from the court houses in those counties. I have received most of my information from them via emails; 1870, 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930 census records) * 4. ASHLEY L. PACE b 12 Dec 1834 AR d 7 Feb 1863 Grayson Co. TX; (same sources as above; 1860 census record) + ARAMINTA DAVIS m. 20 Dec 1860 Fannin Co. TX (2nd Wife, mother of John Ashly) * 5. TWITTY PACE b 29 Dec 1789 Greenville Co., SC d 11 Feb 1849 Fannin Co., TX + SUSANNAH DUNCAN m. 19 Apr 1810 Warren Co., Kentucky (Twitty Pace Bible, owned by Bland and Simeon Smith of Bonham, TX... published in the Fannin County Folks and Facts book (Bonham Public Library - 1977) DNA results for alleles 1-25 were inconclusive showing possible inclusion in group 3b with three differences-the borderline area. Results for 26-37 show conclusively that this donor is NOT in 3b. Modal for 3b 26-37: 11 11 19 22 16 15 17 17 36 40 12 12 Results for kit 55000: 10 10 23 23 16 15 20 16 37 37 12 12 As you can see, there are almost too many differences to count. I will need to remove this kit from the 3b chart to the unidentified Paces chart. Are there any other Twitty Pace descendents out there? It would be good to get more DNA. Roy Johnson

Found some info about them on the Walker Forum, # 13982 could there be any connection to the following on 1910 census for Charlottesville, va Robert Poore Valentine Head b. abt. 1854 Va( he was named in a history of the Charlottesville woolen Mill on the web) Ida Payne Valentine wife b. abt.1854 in Fluvanna co.va Bessie C. Walker dau. b. abt.1878 Va Albert E. Walker son-in-law b. abt. 1868 NEW YORK Virginia V. Walker granddau. b. abt. 1909 MARYLAND Ida V Valentine dau. b. abt.1882 Va Venton H. Valentine son b. abt. 1890 Va Sallie Williams servant Susie Smith Servant There is a wonderful history on the web, of the Woolen Mill in Charlottesville including a picture of what is known as the Hudson House. ( home of James E. Hudson, a supervisor at the mill, who was married to my Aunt, Mary Eliz.Pace, Dau of John Walker Pace b. 1843 in Fluvanna co.Va. I lived in the house in 1941 after my father passed away in 1941, and we moved to charlottesville to take care of my grandmother, Rebecca Ann Robinson, dau. of David Robinson and Mary Herndon..Rebecca was the wife of JOhn Walker Pace and the mother of Mary Elizabeth Pace Hudson. I have never heard of Robert Poore Valentine before and did not know of the Walker Connection. Is there any connection to Paul Valentine Walker , who married the dau. of Andrew Jackson Pace? Someone posted a message on the Walker Forum, # `13982 , which says that Jackson, Texas was named for A.J. Pace. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

I would like to look at the CD's. Thanks Linda

Lois and others: I have a searchable record of the Cherokee Dawes Rolls, as well as other Cherokee rolls on a CD. If anyone would like me to look for someone on this CD please let me know. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> >Sent: Sep 7, 2008 5:16 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] Hartwell Pace and application for membership in Cherokee nation > >I Believe that Betty Pace posted a list of the Dawes Roll? on the Pace >list. So maybe if you search the Pace list for her >Postings or look for Hartwell Pace you will find it. > > > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove >[email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in >touch! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:07 PM >Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended > > >> I'm trying to piece together some information from my memory--I found by a >> desktop google search on my desktop (older) computer that Hartwell Pace in >> Missouri applied for membership in the Cherokee Nation because there was >> some kind of monetary or land distribution or something. I remember also >> that Bruce Howard said a lot of people tried to get in on this. Hartwell's >> application was denied. So there was more than popularity involved, there >> was a pecuniary reason for having Indian blood. Wish I could get it >> straight >> in my mind or find it--it's a very fuzzy recollection. >> >> Roy Johnson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf >> Of Janders 45 >> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:31 PM >> To: Jackie Pace; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended >> >> Jackie, >> >> Prior to the Indian removal to Oklahoma in the 1830's, I suspect that our >> ancestors (certainly those on the frontier) were a lot more inclined to >> kill >> Indians than they were to marry or intermate with them, especially during >> the Revolution and the War of 1812 when so many Indians sided with the >> British or saw the war as an opportunity to chase the white men off their >> land. But after the Indians were gone and no longer a threat, our good >> Christian ancestors started to feel badly about what they had done to the >> poor Indians. Thus began the "noble red man" legend. After a while, >> having >> Indian blood became a mark of distinction rather than the taint that it >> had >> been before the Indian removal. Those of us with dark hair and with a >> complexion a bit darker than the norm could get away with the claim, and >> many had a grandmother or g-grandmother about whose ancestry little was >> known. So, the assumption might have been: "She must have been part >> Indian >> - that must be where we got! >> >> our black hair." After a generation or two, this possibility began to be >> passed down in the family as fact. >> Remember that there was an alternate explanation for darker than usual >> coloration in a family, and especially in the South, having Indian blood >> was >> a lot more socially acceptable than that other alternative. Anyway, >> that's >> my theory about why so many of us have Indian ancestry. Mind you, I >> recognize that some of us actually DO have Indian blood. But I suspect >> that >> this number is only a small fraction of the ones who "think" that they >> have >> Indian ancestry. >> >> Just my opinion, for what it's worth. >> Joe >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows >> Live. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 >> 8:07 PM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Dear List Members: Today I finally received a response from Rootsweb regarding recent problems with the Pace mail list. They gave me instructions about how to greatly reduce the frequency of members being involuntarily unsubscribed from the Pace mail list. This has been implemented. I also received instructions about how to resubscribe members to the list. So, if you are involuntarily unsubscribed from the list, please let me know and I will resubscribe you. Gordon W. Pace Pace Mail List Administrator -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> >Sent: Sep 8, 2008 2:30 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] list problems > > >This came through fine. Don't give up! Email one of us and we will contact >Gordon W. and have him fix it. > >Roy Johnson [email protected] > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of Sarah >Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:46 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PACE] list problems > >Twice in the past two months I have tried to post to this list (having been >subscribed to it for a long time) and both times I got a note that I was not >a member. I subscribed and was accepted after the first time but obviously >it didn't stick. I have subscribed and been accepted once more but if it >happens again I will give up on this list. I will miss hearing about my >Pace cousins if I have to give it up. > > > >Sarah > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1659 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 >7:01 AM > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

While searching for Fuqua family in Virginia I came across a picture of the following Raymond Pace, Lucille Lowry Pace,Theodore C. Kincanon, Jemmie Fuqua Cox, George W. Fuqua, Blanche Fuqua Kincanon It appears the picture was taken about 1944 and research shows there may be a connection to Bedford County, Va Anyone connect? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

This is just to let you know that the Pace Society website and database are offline and will be probably most of the week. The server crashed and has to be replaced. If anyone needs a particular document or record, let me know, and I can look it up. Thanks, Val Tice Pace Society of America Historian/Archivist

Your msg. was received...sooo looks like your still subscribed In a message dated 9/12/2008 6:36:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have not received any Pace list messages for several days now. I'm checking to see if I have been removed from the list again. If I'm still here, I apologize for the post. Sarah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Thanks for letting me know I'm still on the list. I especially appreciate the hint that I'm young! I'm leaving for Scandinavia in a couple of days and wanted to make sure this was in order so that I can read all messages while I'm away. Thanks! Sarah ---- [email protected] wrote: > I am so glad to except your apology. Young people these days are so > rude. It is refreshing to hear from someone with manners. I am > betting you come from Good Stock.......I would say the John of > Middlesex line. > >

I am so glad to except your apology. Young people these days are so rude. It is refreshing to hear from someone with manners. I am betting you come from Good Stock.......I would say the John of Middlesex line. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: Pace Family <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 6:35 am Subject: [PACE] Checking with apologies I have not received any Pace list messages for several days now. I'm checking to see if I have been removed from the list again. If I'm still here, I apologize for the post. Sarah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have not received any Pace list messages for several days now. I'm checking to see if I have been removed from the list again. If I'm still here, I apologize for the post. Sarah

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:36:42 -0400 (EDT), Gordon W. Pace wrote > Roy: > Thanks for your message about Cherokee Pace ancestry. I have found > that there are quite a few Pace lineages that are connected to the > Cherokees of OK. I have a significant amount of Cherokee blood and > have traced my Cherokee ancestry back about 300 years to one of the > earliest known Cherokee Chiefs, Chief Moytoy. I am very proud of > this ancestry. Gordon W. pace Albert James Pickett's on-line book: HISTORY OF ALABAMA has a chapter THE CHEROKEES. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmamcrk4/pkt6.html#anchor1577366 and many other chapters on early south/east aboriginal life. customs and history. It's a most interesting read.

Lois: On 8/11/2008 you reported about a Walker Floyd Payne of El Paso, who, per his passport application, was a son of David Hamilton Payne b. in the Shenandoah Valley of VA. You said that "research shows that he was a son of Eliza Ann Pace and David Hamilton Pace who were m. in Petersburg City, VA on Feb 19, 1845." I don't understand how a David Hamilton Payne could be a son of a David Hamilton Pace - why would there be a change in the surname. My record shows that David Hamilton Payne m. Ann Elizabeth Pace on 2/18/1845 in Dinwiddie, Co, VA. She was a daughter of James Pace and Ann Leigh Phillips. My only record of their children was Jesse Bignal Pace but I have also added Walker Floyd Pace as another child. You also mentioned a Joseph Farrar Pace. I have three Joseph Farrar Paces in my database, but none of them seem to be related to David Hamilton Pace or Payne. The earliest one is Joseph Farrar Pace b. 1859 m. Willie in 1884 in VA. He was a son of William A. Pace b. 1831 VA and Maria Farrar. The other two Joseph Farrar Paces were his descendants. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Roy: Thanks for your message about Cherokee Pace ancestry. I have found that there are quite a few Pace lineages that are connected to the Cherokees of OK. I have a significant amount of Cherokee blood and have traced my Cherokee ancestry back about 300 years to one of the earliest known Cherokee Chiefs, Chief Moytoy. I am very proud of this ancestry. Gordon W. pace -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> >Sent: Sep 7, 2008 4:39 PM >To: 'Jackie Pace' <[email protected]>, [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended > >The Indian ancestry legend is common in a lot of families, including mine. I >don't recall the exact details, but there was some kind of distribution or >something to Cherokees, and a lot of people tried to prove Cherokee >ancestry. Again I am fuzzy on the details but I was able to find the >application by a Pace ancestor to claim Cherokee ancestry, and it was based >only on personal remembrance and an affidavit from a family friend. It was >turned down. I'm sure that info is somewhere on my system, but many Indian >ancestry claims have been proven false. > >Roy Johnson > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of Jackie Pace >Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:58 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended > >Thank you Joe. I've found 3 female lines making that claim, but J*, H, & T2 > >says these females were not Indian on their maternal lines - and is very >unlikely they all had a unknown male Indian ancestor. Could these stories >be a cover-up for illegitimacy? > >Jackie Ashley PACE >The Woodlands, TX >http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ashley42 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Janders 45" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:30 AM >Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended > > >> Though mtDNA is not of use in surname studies, there are some interesting >> applications of mtDNA analysis. In my case, my ggg-grandmother in the >> direct maternal line is believed by some to be half-Indian. I am always >> skeptical of such claims as I believe that European-Indian marriage or >> cohabitation was extremely rare in Colonial times, other than the cases of > >> traders who lived amongst the Indians and took Indian wives. I had sent a > >> DNA sample to SMGF (Sorensen Molecular Genealogical Foundation) some time >> ago, and I was able to find my line in their mtDNA database a few months >> ago. After having deduced my mtDNA genotype from the SMGF information, I >> concluded that my mtDNA haplotype was largely Mediteranean and had little >> in common with known American Indian haplotypes. Hence, I believe that >> the mtDNA results have disproved the theory that my ggg-gandmother was >> half Indian. >> >> This conclusion is dependent upon my assumption that my ggg-grandmother's >> Indian parent was her mother, which would mean that I would be carrying >> Indian mtDNA, if the half-Indian theory were true. If she had been the >> product of a mating between an Indian male and a European female, then she > >> could be carrying European mtDNA and still be half-Indian. But I think >> that my assumption is valid since I believe that European male/Indian >> woman matings were rare in those times, and Indian male/European female >> matings were much rarer still. >> >> Joe Anderson >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of > >> your life. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >-- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. >SPAMfighter has removed 24619 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 >8:07 PM > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Mary Lily Shepherd was born 7/6/1797 She and Garland Farrar had 9 Children, one of which, Holland Farrar m. a Henry Baskett Does he have any connection to Mary Pace Basklett? Anyone else know of Pace-Farrar-Baskett-Shepherd-Lily connections? Looking for connections to a James Shelton Farrar of Fluvanna Va Who married Eliza Pace, dau. Of Wm. Moment Pace Some of the above were named in a chancery suit between my JohnW. Pace and others, including the name Gillespie and others It involved several hundred acres of land which was to be held in trust by a William Joseph Pace. Would love to hear from any descendents of William Moment Pace b. 1806 and his wife Dicy King * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

This is for the new member of the Pace group, Jon. Jon, I am also a descendant of William Pace and Ruth Lambert. My line goes from them through their son, John Pace, Sr. who was married to Sarah Anderson. John Pace, Sr. died during the War of 1812 in New Orleans as did his brother James Pace. My line goes like this: William Pace and Ruth Lambert Pace were my GGGGG Grandparents. John Pace, Sr. and Sarah Anderson were my GGGG Grandparents. John Pace, Jr. and Sarah [ Sallie] McCracken were my GGG Grandparents. Lenny Pace Lemmon and Robert Allen Lemmon were my GG Grandparents. Jefferson Davis Lemmon and Naomi Halbert Lemmon were my Great Grandparents. William Lambert Lemmon and Bess Tate Lemmon were my maternal Grandparents. Billie Jean Lemmon Little and Dorman D. Little were my parents. Me: Jane Ellen Little McEndree... My information is that William Pace, Jr. was born abt. 1750 in Franklin Co, N.C. and died on Nov. 30, 1834 in Rutherford Co, Tenn. Ruth Lambert was born abt. 1750 in Mecklenberg, Va. and died abt. 1800. John Pace, Sr. was born in, 1784 in Nash, N.C. and died on Jan. 8, 1815 in New Orleans, La. During the War of 1812. John Pace, Jr. was born on April 18, 1812 in Tenn. And died on April 7, 1874 in Ellis County, Texas. He is buried in the Pace Cemetery in Palmer, Texas. Lenny Pace Lemmon was born May 16, 1839 in Rutherford Co, Tenn. And died Sept. 27, 1867 in Texas. She is buried in Lancaster, Texas in Dallas County. Jefferson Davis Lemmon was born June 2, 1861 near Bear Creek near Lancaster, Texas and died Oct. 15, 1944 in Ferris,Texas in Ellis County. William Lambert Lemmon, my grandfather was born Oct. 1, 1894 in Trumbull, Texas in Ellis County. He died on Feb. 3, 1970 in Dallas, Texas. Notice that my grandfather's middle name was Lambert and he was named after Ruth Lambert Pace and his first name was William probably after Ruth husband, William Pace. There were several people in our family tree who had Lambert in their name. Good luck in your research. I do not have a male Pace from my line that I know of to have tested on the DNA. I wish I did. I would love to have someone in my direct Pace line tested. My family was big on naming kids after their ancestors. Jane Little McEndree Jane Little McEndree [email protected]

For several accounts of trips to Richard Pace's London and some pictures, go to: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/seeking.htm Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Royce W. Phillips Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] trip to London Later this month my wife and I will be making a trip to London and Scotland. I will have a little time to do a little exploring of my Pace ancestry while there. I expect to walk the area around Wapping and St. Dunstan's Church. But I am looking for suggestions what I should look for and things to notice while there. I will be taking my digital cameras as well. Royce Phillips ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1659 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 7:01 AM

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Royce W. Phillips Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] trip to London Later this month my wife and I will be making a trip to London and Scotland. I will have a little time to do a little exploring of my Pace ancestry while there. I expect to walk the area around Wapping and St. Dunstan's Church. But I am looking for suggestions what I should look for and things to notice while there. I will be taking my digital cameras as well. Royce Phillips ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1659 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 7:01 AM