Val & Jeff Tice seem to be the foremost experts on Jamestown Society admissions for the Pace surname. Here is Val's response to my enquiry that I received yesterday and was not sent to the Pace mail list. This is very important information which is probably not known to many on the the Pace mail list or PSA members: "I know the Jamestown Society accepts as descendants of Richard & Isabella the descendants of Richard [b. 1661] m. Rebecca (died in Bertie) including his son Richard IV m. Elizabeth Cain and his daughter Rebecca m. 1) Bradford 2) Aycock and the descendants of John [Sr, b. 1668] m. Elizabeth (most likely Lowe. He died in Bertie 1727). [I personally believe that Elizabeth Lowe was m. to John's brother James (b. 1666) per Bruce Howard, GWP] He died in Bertie 1727. If you can prove lineage from either Richard or John of Bertie, both those lines are accepted as far as I know. I don't have a lot of applications in the records that I store, but I do have a couple of them as recent as last year... I haven't heard of anyone being denied membership through either John or Richard.... John Pace m. Ann Russell descendants have also been accepted in the Jamestown Society as descendants of Richard & Isabella. But that is the line where the first DNA test did not match the 3a and 3b DNA groups. We are waiting for another test on another son's line. I believe the test results are due in November sometime. I don't know whether descendants from the John Pace m. Sarah {Burgh?] (he was born in Prince George, VA, d. in Surry, North Carolina) are accepted. I haven't seen any applications on this line." Val Tice submitted by Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Val & Jeff: Thanks for your response. It wasn't clear to me from your message whether the Paces who were accepted into the Jamestown Society were from the male Pace lineage or the female lineage. You mentioned that the Pace lineages accepted were Richard Pace b. 1661 who m. Rebecca (Poythress?), John Pace, Sr. b. 1748 who m. Ann Russell and John Pace, Sr. b. 1668 who m. an Elizabeth. In these cases was the Pace ancestry accepted into the Jamestown Society? Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: val & jeff tice <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 9, 2008 10:29 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? > >The most recent application I have is 2007 on the Bradford line which is the >Aycock line. People have been accepted on other branches of Richard m. >Rebecca and on the John m. Elizabeth line. Also, they have been accepted on >John Pace m. Ann Russell which is a line where we are waiting for the DNA >results on a different son's line. The first test did not match the 3a or >3b DNA groups. > >I don't have any applications on the John m. Sarah line, so I don't know >whether they have been accepted into the Jamestown Society. > >Val > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of Roy Johnson >Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:59 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? > >I didn't read this post before I sent mine. I stand corrected, if these >folks got in on Pace records and not some other line. But I don't understand >how, given that the documentary record is not there. > >Roy > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of val & jeff tice >Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:12 PM >To: 'Gordon W. Pace'; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? > >Dear Gordon: > >There have been quite a few Pace descendants accepted into the Jamestown >Society. We have some of the applications used in the Society records. > >Val > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of Gordon W. Pace >Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:35 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? > >Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted >as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My >recollection is that none have, although some may have become members >through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is >very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the >Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. >Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in >Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their >only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in >Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only >son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as >he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that >George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in >Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and >John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably >the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this >family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or >Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. >In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were >descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears >that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to >the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria >needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. >It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there >are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which >indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. >Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to >trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society >will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in >the Society. >Gordon W. 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The most recent application I have is 2007 on the Bradford line which is the Aycock line. People have been accepted on other branches of Richard m. Rebecca and on the John m. Elizabeth line. Also, they have been accepted on John Pace m. Ann Russell which is a line where we are waiting for the DNA results on a different son's line. The first test did not match the 3a or 3b DNA groups. I don't have any applications on the John m. Sarah line, so I don't know whether they have been accepted into the Jamestown Society. Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? I didn't read this post before I sent mine. I stand corrected, if these folks got in on Pace records and not some other line. But I don't understand how, given that the documentary record is not there. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of val & jeff tice Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:12 PM To: 'Gordon W. Pace'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? Dear Gordon: There have been quite a few Pace descendants accepted into the Jamestown Society. We have some of the applications used in the Society records. Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon W. Pace Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My recollection is that none have, although some may have become members through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in the Society. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't read this post before I sent mine. I stand corrected, if these folks got in on Pace records and not some other line. But I don't understand how, given that the documentary record is not there. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of val & jeff tice Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:12 PM To: 'Gordon W. Pace'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? Dear Gordon: There have been quite a few Pace descendants accepted into the Jamestown Society. We have some of the applications used in the Society records. Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon W. Pace Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My recollection is that none have, although some may have become members through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in the Society. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM

My understanding is that the Jamestowne Society does not accept the lineage you suggest as being proven. The only document linking "Richard II" to those sons that you cite is the Winifred Aycock Lane letter, the memory of an old lady as told to her by her mother. She states that a Richard Pace of Virginia was her ancestor, but the problem is that there were THREE Richard Paces in Virginia at that time, so which one was it? There are no birth records of any of Richard IIs children, no official documents linking the sons that you cite to Richard. DNA evidence shows that the descendents of these Paces are related to one another, but that still doesn't prove which of the three Richards thy might have descended from. Also, they are divided into groups 3a and 3b; are BOTH groups descended from Richard, or is one group possibly descended from a relative of Richard, maybe even back in England? For the Winifred Aycock Lane letter, see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/documnts/aycock.htm For the several Richard Paces, go to: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/miscpaces.htm Some records seem to indicate that there were at least two planters named Richard Pace, in addition to a servant Richard Pace and others. This is why the Jamestowne Society won't accept this lineage. It has long been an assumption of the Pace Society, but there is a gap in the records and this lineage does not have documentation of the type acceptable to the society. I don't recall the details, but I believe there has been some discussion on the list that at least one of these "sons of Richard II" was actually a son of George Pace. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon W. Pace Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My recollection is that none have, although some may have become members through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in the Society. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1712 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 9:41 AM

Dear Gordon: There have been quite a few Pace descendants accepted into the Jamestown Society. We have some of the applications used in the Society records. Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon W. Pace Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My recollection is that none have, although some may have become members through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in the Society. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My recollection is that none have, although some may have become members through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in the Society. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Roy, I apologize for the delayed response. But I'm in the thick of pharmacy school right now. Nonetheless, this is my family and I responsible for the submitted data. The son dna sample is mine and the father's is my dad. The 3rd sample is from a distant cousin who lives in southeast Louisiana. I'll be glad to help in any way I can. Sammy Pace> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:21:26 -0500> Subject: [PACE] Another distinct line of Paces?> > Just browsing through the charts, and I noticed this interesting line of> Paces. They go back to North Carolina but show a distinct difference from> the other NC Paces and in fact are in Haplogroup 1 as are the John of> Middlesex Paces. These Paces, however, have too many differences to be John> of M related.> > > > The tests are from a father and son, which is two subsets of the same DNA,> and a VErY different relative who is only related back to the late 1700.> This third submission strongly suggests that this is another unique line of> Paces. However, we need more submissions from this line to test this out.> > > > Here are the lineages this group submitted. Anyone know anything about these> Paces?> > > > Roy Johnson> > > > * Kit #13552 Unsure (Son)> Kit #31372 Unsure (Father) > See distant relative kit no. 60597 below> > This branch of the Pace family does not appear to be related to any of the> other Paces in the study. There is no DNA match.> > The lineage begins with the son, who is donor 13552> > 0. Donor> 1. Father> 2. Grandfather> > 3. SAMUEL DUNBAR PACE > > * born 6/25/1866 Marion County, MS > * died 6/14/1953 Pulaski County, AR > > + NANCY ELIZABETH AULTMAN> (family knowledge, Carroll Watts research notes)> > * 4. JOHN GUSLIN PACE > > b. 8/18/1836 Marion County, MS d. 2/11/1921 Marion County, MS > > + AMEDILLA LOTT (Spelled phonetically on tombstone as Armadilla)> (Carroll Watts research notes, family knowledge) > > * 5. ZEBEDEE F. PACE b. 1810 Washington County?, MS Terr d. after> 1880; > + CANDIS MORRIS> (Carroll Watts research notes, Marion County MS marriage records, and> censuses) > * 6. JOHN PACE b. 1784 NC d. 1850-60 presumably in Marion County, MS> where he resided m. ABIGAIL ____ ? b. 1784 NC > (Carroll Watts research notes, 1850 Census) > > This is as far back as anyone in our branch of the family has been able to> trace our lineage. We've only been able to identify 2 sons of John and> Abigail and could likely track down all their descendants. However, we've> been unable to determine our relationship with any other Pace branches> anywhere. > > Kit 60597--distant cousin, descends from John Pace b. 1784 and Abigail.> 25/25 DNA match supports accuracy of research. > > o Donor> > o L.B. Pace b. Feb. 25, 1915 d. Oct. 24, 1969 m. Irene Parkman b. July 6> 1907 d May 6 2006> > o William Durien " Hilliard" Pace b.Feb 22, 1885 d. Sept 17 1965 M. Marth> Alice Hatten b. April 5 1890 d. Dec 10 1966> > o Leonidas Allen "Leon" Pace b. Jun 05, 1862 in Marion County, MS; d.> April 10 1928 m. Mary Elizabeth "Polly" Taylor b. Feb 22, 1868 d. July 6,> 1927> > o Lucas Allen Buel Pace b.Apr. 11, 1838 in Marion County, MS; d. Sept.> 25, 1892 in Marion County, MS Mary Ann McDaniel B. Nov. 11 1840 d. Dec.. 11,> 1915> > o William M. Pace b.1804 in GA; d. Aug. 07, 1862 in Marion County, MS Amy> Broom .b. 1814> > o John Pace b. 1784 in NC, d. 1850-60 presumably in Marion County, MS > where he resided m Abagail (?) b. 1784 in NC (Common ancestor)> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/

Joe, Where can I find these posts? I'd like to take a look and see what I can do to help. Sammy> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:33:42 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Another distinct line of Paces?> > There have been some posts about the ZEBEDEE F. PACE line and I have corresponded with the donor and exchanged speculations. Apparently these were some of the other Paces in Washington Co, MS territory in the early 1800's. (Other meaning not the Frederick of Wales group). I'm not aware that a firm link has been found back to NC. I remember thinking that these Paces may be the family of the widow Jenny Pace in the 1808 or 1810 census of Wash. Co, if I am remembering correctly.> > Joe> _________________________________________________________________> See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

I just thought I would mention that there was a Bunch family in the Louisa and Fluvanna County areas of Virginia. I have some information on them. They may have a connection to the Pace family in Va. I also seem to remember a connection to the Harlow family.Does anyone know where Anna Bunch was born? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon W. Pace" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: [PACE] Presley Page Pace Ancestry > Judy: > Your record of the ancestry of your mother's great-great-grandfather, > Presley Page Pace, agrees with mine. Presley's father was Willis Pace but > no one seems to have any idea who Willis's father was. His mother may > have been an Anna Bunch, somehow related to the Bunch family who adopted > Willis when we was orphaned at an early age. > Here is a summary of the ancestry from the 5th to the 10th generation: > 5. Richard Pace b. abt 1690 VA m. Sarah Woodliefe. > 6. Francis Pace b. 1718 Prince George Co, VA, m. Ann Biggins. > 7. Buckner Pace b. bef. 1755 VA m. unknown > (Buckner Pace as a son of Francis appears to be somewhat speculative, but > I believe it is correct based on the circumstantial evidence.) > 8. Jesse Gill m. Tabitha Pace b abt 1775 (She was a daughter of Buckner). > 9. Willis Pace b. 1790 d abt 1857, m. Polly Gill, daughter of Jesse Gill. > 10. Presley Page Pace b. 1/4/1830, d 7/24/1893 Wake Co, NC, m. Rebecca > Scarborough. > I am sending by direct email my detailed record of this ancestry, which > includes the first four generations back to Richard Pace of Jamestown. > Gordon W. Pace > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On October 4, 2008, Gordon W. Pace wrote:   >Presley's father was Willis Pace but > no one seems to have any idea who Willis's father was.  His mother may > have been an Anna Bunch, somehow related to the Bunch family who adopted > Willis when we was orphaned at an early age. I checked my memory and came across a couple of posts from several years back relating to this. I hope it's okay to dredge them up and include them here, even if Lois already has more information.   --- On Thu, 9/1/05, Amanda Cox Boyette <[email protected]> wrote: From: Amanda Cox Boyette <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE-L] Willis PACE? To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005, 9:20 AM Good morning. I am connected to the Paces through my maternal grandmother. We come through Presley Page Pace, whose parents were Willis PACE and Polly GILL. I have reached a dead end with Willis PACE. I read somewhere (maybe on a rootsweb discussion board) that Willis PACE was born in 1790, and orphanned by 1795, adopted by Thomas BUNCH. Then Thomas BUNCH died, and his brother, David BUNCH assumed the adoption. Thomas and David BUNCH had a sister, Anne BUNCH PACE, and some were speculating it was Willis PACE's mother or grandmother. Does anyone have any evidence to prove this? Then, we tie in with the PACEs again through Polly GILL. Her father was Jesse GILL and mother was Tabitha PACE. Tabitha's father was Buckner PACE. Has anyone found any link between Buckner PACE and Willis PACE? Many thanks. Amanda Boyette This one was posted by Betty Pace on April 12, 2005 including the forwarded message from Daniel Hoyle:   Does anyone know anything about this WILLIS PACE?  I don't. Betty Pace ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:05:35 EDT Subject: Pace Betty, I descend from a Willis Pace born in Wake Co in 1790. He married Polly Gill and I was told that his father was a William Pace by a Pace descendant.  His father  evidently died and his mother  died and his mother or grandmother  was Anna Bunch Pace.  I have gathered this from records that Willis was adopted by Thompson Bunch (Anna's brother).  Then Thompson died and David Bunch ( another brother of Anna and Thompson Bunch) took over the adoption and finished raising Willis. Polly Gill's grandfather was Buckner Pace who moved to Raleigh in 1780's or earlier  from Va.  Polly was given a gift of land from Buckner Pace with her 3 sisters.  Their mother was Tabitha Pace who was Buckner's daughter who married Jesse Gill. I assume that Polly Gill and Willis were cousins,  which Marriage to cousins  happened many times during that period. My Question is  Do you have any information on these Paces who lived in Wake Co NC? Thanks, Daniel Scarborough Hoyle Gallatin Tn --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Presley Page Pace Ancestry and Anna Bunch( possible mother) To: "Gordon W. Pace" <gordo[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 9:33 AM I just thought I would mention that there was a Bunch family in the Louisa and Fluvanna County areas of Virginia. I have some information on them. They may have a connection to the Pace family in Va. I also seem to remember a connection to the Harlow family.Does anyone know where Anna Bunch was born? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon W. Pace" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: [PACE] Presley Page Pace Ancestry > Judy: > Your record of the ancestry of your mother's great-great-grandfather, > Presley Page Pace, agrees with mine. Presley's father was Willis Pace but > no one seems to have any idea who Willis's father was. His mother may > have been an Anna Bunch, somehow related to the Bunch family who adopted > Willis when we was orphaned at an early age. > Here is a summary of the ancestry from the 5th to the 10th generation: > 5. Richard Pace b. abt 1690 VA m. Sarah Woodliefe. > 6. Francis Pace b. 1718 Prince George Co, VA, m. Ann Biggins. > 7. Buckner Pace b. bef. 1755 VA m. unknown > (Buckner Pace as a son of Francis appears to be somewhat speculative, but > I believe it is correct based on the circumstantial evidence.) > 8. Jesse Gill m. Tabitha Pace b abt 1775 (She was a daughter of Buckner). > 9. Willis Pace b. 1790 d abt 1857, m. Polly Gill, daughter of Jesse Gill. > 10. Presley Page Pace b. 1/4/1830, d 7/24/1893 Wake Co, NC, m. Rebecca > Scarborough. > I am sending by direct email my detailed record of this ancestry, which > includes the first four generations back to Richard Pace of Jamestown. > Gordon W. Pace > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Skip that middle section.  I shouldn't write when I'm too tired.  I now can read it that it isn't a straight line back through the male line used for DNA purposes, but it jogs through the wives to get back to Buckner Pace. It doesn't change that we still don't have any DNA participants through either Willis or Buckner Pace. Rebecca Christensen --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Presley Page Pace Ancestry To: "Gordon W. Pace" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 8:26 PM The Willis Pace and Buckner Pace lines are not yet represented in the DNA project.  It would be interesting to see a participant from these lines as these Paces moved into Wake Co., NC as did my line of Paces, but both Buckner and Willis appear in the county later.  It has been quite a while since I looked at the records for these individuals, but something seems wrong below in numbers 8 and 9.    It seems to read that Willis Pace was a son of Jesse Gill and Tabitha Pace, but he also married Polly Gill, daughter of Jesse Gill?    Are you saying below he was actually a Gill and he married his sister?  (I don't think that is what is meant but it seems to read that way.) Willis Pace did marry Polly Gill in 1816 but I didn't think Willis Pace's parents have been identified.  There have been others of this line on the mail list in the past. Rebecca Christensen --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Presley Page Pace Ancestry To: [email protected], "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:45 PM Judy: Your record of the ancestry of your mother's great-great-grandfather, Presley Page Pace, agrees with mine. Presley's father was Willis Pace but no one seems to have any idea who Willis's father was. His mother may have been an Anna Bunch, somehow related to the Bunch family who adopted Willis when we was orphaned at an early age. Here is a summary of the ancestry from the 5th to the 10th generation: 5. Richard Pace b. abt 1690 VA m. Sarah Woodliefe. 6. Francis Pace b. 1718 Prince George Co, VA, m. Ann Biggins. 7. Buckner Pace b. bef. 1755 VA m. unknown (Buckner Pace as a son of Francis appears to be somewhat speculative, but I believe it is correct based on the circumstantial evidence.) 8. Jesse Gill m. Tabitha Pace b abt 1775 (She was a daughter of Buckner). 9. Willis Pace b. 1790 d abt 1857, m. Polly Gill, daughter of Jesse Gill. 10. Presley Page Pace b. 1/4/1830, d 7/24/1893 Wake Co, NC, m. Rebecca Scarborough. I am sending by direct email my detailed record of this ancestry, which includes the first four generations back to Richard Pace of Jamestown. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Willis Pace and Buckner Pace lines are not yet represented in the DNA project.  It would be interesting to see a participant from these lines as these Paces moved into Wake Co., NC as did my line of Paces, but both Buckner and Willis appear in the county later.  It has been quite a while since I looked at the records for these individuals, but something seems wrong below in numbers 8 and 9.    It seems to read that Willis Pace was a son of Jesse Gill and Tabitha Pace, but he also married Polly Gill, daughter of Jesse Gill?    Are you saying below he was actually a Gill and he married his sister?  (I don't think that is what is meant but it seems to read that way.) Willis Pace did marry Polly Gill in 1816 but I didn't think Willis Pace's parents have been identified.  There have been others of this line on the mail list in the past. Rebecca Christensen --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Presley Page Pace Ancestry To: [email protected], "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:45 PM Judy: Your record of the ancestry of your mother's great-great-grandfather, Presley Page Pace, agrees with mine. Presley's father was Willis Pace but no one seems to have any idea who Willis's father was. His mother may have been an Anna Bunch, somehow related to the Bunch family who adopted Willis when we was orphaned at an early age. Here is a summary of the ancestry from the 5th to the 10th generation: 5. Richard Pace b. abt 1690 VA m. Sarah Woodliefe. 6. Francis Pace b. 1718 Prince George Co, VA, m. Ann Biggins. 7. Buckner Pace b. bef. 1755 VA m. unknown (Buckner Pace as a son of Francis appears to be somewhat speculative, but I believe it is correct based on the circumstantial evidence.) 8. Jesse Gill m. Tabitha Pace b abt 1775 (She was a daughter of Buckner). 9. Willis Pace b. 1790 d abt 1857, m. Polly Gill, daughter of Jesse Gill. 10. Presley Page Pace b. 1/4/1830, d 7/24/1893 Wake Co, NC, m. Rebecca Scarborough. I am sending by direct email my detailed record of this ancestry, which includes the first four generations back to Richard Pace of Jamestown. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy: Your record of the ancestry of your mother's great-great-grandfather, Presley Page Pace, agrees with mine. Presley's father was Willis Pace but no one seems to have any idea who Willis's father was. His mother may have been an Anna Bunch, somehow related to the Bunch family who adopted Willis when we was orphaned at an early age. Here is a summary of the ancestry from the 5th to the 10th generation: 5. Richard Pace b. abt 1690 VA m. Sarah Woodliefe. 6. Francis Pace b. 1718 Prince George Co, VA, m. Ann Biggins. 7. Buckner Pace b. bef. 1755 VA m. unknown (Buckner Pace as a son of Francis appears to be somewhat speculative, but I believe it is correct based on the circumstantial evidence.) 8. Jesse Gill m. Tabitha Pace b abt 1775 (She was a daughter of Buckner). 9. Willis Pace b. 1790 d abt 1857, m. Polly Gill, daughter of Jesse Gill. 10. Presley Page Pace b. 1/4/1830, d 7/24/1893 Wake Co, NC, m. Rebecca Scarborough. I am sending by direct email my detailed record of this ancestry, which includes the first four generations back to Richard Pace of Jamestown. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

from Kentucky Death Records; Margaret Pace Wrenn, wife of E.B.Wrenn dau. of John A.Pace b. Va and Sarah Shepherd b.Va anyone have more info.? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

Judy: I would be glad to help you find your ancestry. Please let me know all that you know about your Pace ancestry, e. g., your Pace father and his wife, with dates and locations, your Pace grandfather and his wife, etc. etc. I should be able to help you if you can go back at least two generations. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Judy Cox <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 1, 2008 5:28 PM >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: [PACE] Pace Family ancestors > >Dear Gordon, > >I have come across your name on several web sites regarding the Pace ancestry. > >My daughter did some research which led her to believe that we might be a descendant of Richard Pace an Ancient Planter of Jamestown. I am now trying to document my connection with Jamestown. Would you be willing to look at our findings and give me some pointers on where to find written document that would be accepted as historically accurate? > >Thanks, > >Judy Cox > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Judy,    If you post information about your Pace ancestry on the mail list, there may be people on the list that might help you determine your ancestry.   You may also be interested in joining the Pace Society of America (www.PaceSociety.org).   The society publishes a quarterly and also has a members' only section that includes a document database (digitized original documents) for several of the Pace lines along with digitized copies of the back issues of the Pace Society Bulletin.   There is also a Pace DNA project that if you have a male Pace relative (brother, father, uncle, male cousin, etc) that can test, the DNA test results may help you determine which Pace family you are related to.  The Paces believed to be related to Richard Pace of Jamestown are in Group 3 of the Pace DNA project.  Rebecca Christensen --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Judy Cox <[email protected]> wrote: From: Judy Cox <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Pace Family ancestors To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 4:28 PM Dear Gordon, I have come across your name on several web sites regarding the Pace ancestry. My daughter did some research which led her to believe that we might be a descendant of Richard Pace an Ancient Planter of Jamestown. I am now trying to document my connection with Jamestown. Would you be willing to look at our findings and give me some pointers on where to find written document that would be accepted as historically accurate? Thanks, Judy Cox

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:21:26 -0500, Roy Johnson wrote > Just browsing through the charts, and I noticed this interesting > line of Paces. They go back to North Carolina but show a distinct > difference from the other NC Paces and in fact are in Haplogroup 1 > as are the John of Middlesex Paces. These Paces, however, have too > many differences to be John of M related. Roy, William Durien "Hilliard" Pace b.Feb 22, 1885 d. Sept 17 1965 M. Marth Alice Hatten b. April 5 1890 d. Dec 10 1966 Just from memory, I remember a "Hilliard" connected to a PACE from London, Eng. and something to do with a ship captain (of Jamaica, I think) and a will after a death of the captain. I think the Captain's name was Lancelot Pace. There was some talk on the Pace list from American folks that figured they were descendents of this London family. I hade some detail of the London family on a web page of a London parish register. Not really certain if what I had was the same family but the details were found and up to anyone to interpret them. Also this HATTON (MAY HAVE a connection to PACE, this way - suggestion) is a surname from The Gloucestershire PACE family that goes way back to the 1600s and my maternal side, BENNETT, HAYES, HATTON, which also connects to a PACE family from around Dymock & Newent, Gloucestershire which is near-by to Westbury upon Severn, GLS. (which may be connected to the Shropshire PACE "migration from Westbury upon Severn, GLS) If you look on my Gloucestershire PACE web page, you'll see the descendency and how HATTON connects to PACE in Gloucestershire. Some of these GLS PACE folk connect to Durham (NW Eng) then to north Wales, Lancashire, Australia. Several folks of this group inter-connection have written to me over the years. Recently, I wrote a couple articles on the early (1600s) PACE family of Prees, SAL. and how the Welsh Patrononomic naming system may have affected the ROWLAND and GRIFFITHS PACE families of my ancestry. I descend from Rowland Pace. The message did not show up on the Pace list so I re-wrote it again, from memory. The 2nd message did not show on the Pace list. Since this was a major work and difficult to keep trying to reproduce, I just gave up on the Pace list. I have some Welsh friends still in British Columbia and was discussing how the Welsh system of naming may have affected the PACE family of ROWLAND, which I descend from and the DNA relationship to that of the Maddock family from the same Shropshire parishes as PACE around 1600. The DNA for PACE and MADDOCK have the same alleles in the DNA results. Anyway, to sum this up, Dave Daniels, my Welsh friend from university days, had some interesting opinions. I can't go into it all again as it's too much work to not show on the list. It does point to the realization of how some early Shropshire/Welsh Marches families, in the same parishes, may actually be the same families, irregardless of what the established surnames are today. You have to have an understanding of the Welsh Naming System. It may take some time to "grasp" this old fashioned system. Dave seemed to have a good understanding of this. GordP

We owe Ray Ruck a big "Thank You" for straightening out the Wm Pace Elizabeth Wade Puzzle, I was never comforable with her age, b. 24 Nov 1764, then after her husband Richard Wade died she Betsy, moved to Barren co. Ky. with son, this is Obediah Wade. But Ray, has given us Deed records from Goochland Co. Deed book 14, page 173 and date 15 August 1783, showing John Pace married Elizabeth Wade. "All those persons looking for a John Pace, take note, is a Elizabeth a wife you are looking for?????" Betsy Baker wife of Richard Wade died in Barren co. Ky as recorded in, Will bk 3 page 2. shows, 22 Sept 1822 was proved 1826. Betsey stated she moved from Virginia to Ky 1807. Mentions daughter Betsy named for mother (Elizabeth) living in Georgia. THANK YOU RAY !!! Lois you asked about Stanhope Johnson a security when Elisha and Martha (Patsy) Johnson married in Louisa co.Virginia, 22 October 1806, daughter of Thomas Johnson and a witness Thomas Johnson Jr. Stanhope was a son of Daniel and farrar' He married SuaNN DEEIWA 20 March 1804

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