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I have been reading some notes transcribed from"History of Albemarle Co.Va" printed by The Michie Company page 314 Samuel Shelton was settled in the county from the beginning. His wife's name was Judith. His children were; Clough,joseph,Samuel, David,Elizabeth. Clough was a captain in the Revolutionary army and was taken prisoner at the surrender of Charleston. He died about 1833. His children were Nelson, Maria, the wife of Robert Anderson,Cicely, the wife of a Walker, and William A Is this Cicely Shelton, wife of a Walker connected to a Cicely Walker who married a Pace? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!
Lois, I re-read Bruce Howard's book on this issue (relative to my Alsey Pace, b. 1785NC, son of Stephen Pace and an Indian girl). Bruce said: In the 1820, 1830, and 1840 census reports an Indian would be shown as a Free Person of Color in the main census report. If he were considered to be Black or Negro, he would be shown at the very end of the white people in that enumeration district. My Alsey was always shown as a FPC in the main census report, but when he married again in 1836 (white man a bondsman), he and his family were shown as mulatto--black would have been a possibility if the census taker judged that appropriate. I take it that this fact signifies that he must have looked Native American. For Alsey this is true of his family in the 1850 census and onward. I wish one of that family would take the DNA test. My line from Alsey (and Zilpha Hall of Johnston Co. NC) were deserted by Alsey Pace and always showed white in census reports in Guilford Co. NC and later in other counties. Betty Pace On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:06:40 -0400 "Lois Long Carey" <[email protected]> writes: > I agree with Joe . I would love to hear from any black Paces from > Alabama( > or elsewhere) who could submit to a DNA test. > Is it possible that since in 1850 Cherokees were listed as black, > that some > black Paces today could believe they > are black because of being listed that way on earlier census, rather > than > Cherokee? Are there any Paces in the > Society with Cherokee ancestry who have done the DNA test? Is there > DNA > different from others? > Anyone with Pace ancestry should be welcomed to the Society .They > may > possibly solve many questions. > If my Canadian friend is a subscriber to this list. I would love to > hear > from her and whether she ever did get a relative > to do the test. Do you know,Gordon in Canada? She brought pictures > of her > relatives in the USA who were black, > but she looks as white as anyone I know. > >From some notes from her. > William Chastain Captain went to Canada between 1837-1842 > With him was a Lucy Ann White b, June 16, 1827 in Charlottesville or > > Staunton,Va > >From more notes from her there seems to be a connection to William > Moment > Pace b. 1806 and Dicy King > The approx. location of the land that the Captain Children inherited > is 130 > acres at Cuffey's Creek > In her notes are also the following Virginia family names, > Meriwether > Anderson > Lewis > Henry Pace(editor of the" Gazette of the United States"- broke the > news on > Oct. 13, 1802 that > Thomas Jefferson had fathered a child by a slave( Slly Hemmings) > Henry Pace's partner was found floating in the river after the story > broke. > Ann Meriwether Johnson( from her Captain line) had a second marriage > to John > Cosby. > This is of particular interest to me as the lady who lived with my > Pace > family was Fannie Cosby( wife of Edw.Cosby) > > > Lois Carey > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mDcGmxeGlU93liJJ5AbZ254KBKeXCOJQg3qZnGPUxkqtRYs/
Roy, I heard it in Norfolk, VA on PBS channel 15 (WHRO). The author (Dr. James Horn) gave a short lecture and Q&A, which was sponsored by the Miller Center, University of Virginia, Charlottesville. A tape may be available, if anyone wants it. Betty --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:38:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [PACE] A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James Horn. Message-ID: <[email protected]> Roy, That would be fine. Betty On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:02:16 -0500 "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> writes: > I would like to put these reviews of this book on the Pace Network > with your > permission. I have some book reviews there now and intended to set > up a book > review section. Okay? > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > Of Betty A Pace > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PACE] A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of > America / > James Horn. > > A new look at Jamestown. > > I heard Dr. Horn;s televised presentation on PBS and he signaled > that > this book shows that Jamestown colonists almost failed, and had > they > failed, the English would have given up the Chesapeake Bay area, > only to > be followed by some other European power. Even New England might not > have > lasted in English hands. Thus our country might not be > English-speaking > today. My own library has the book (summarized below from the > library > catalog) and I have put in a request for it. > > A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James > Horn. > A land as God made it : Horn, James P. P. > > Call Number: 975.5425 HOR > Publication Information: New York : Basic Books, c2005. > > Physical Description: p. cm. > > ISBN: 0465030947 (hc : alk. paper) $26.00 > > > Summary > What if Jamestown-the first permanent English settlement in North > America-had collapsed? Would efforts to establish an English colony > have > been abandoned? Would other European powers such as the Spanish, > Dutch, > or French have moved into the mid-Atlantic region instead? Without > Virginia, would the Pilgrims have ever gone to Plymouth? Would the > English have ever established themselves as the major colonial power > on > the mainland of North America? Would modern American society have > been > entirely different? Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. > > Publisher's Weekly Review > Horn, who heads the library at the Colonial Williamsburg > Foundation, > offers a history that will put Plymouth in its place. Not only was > Jamestown settled before Plymouth, in 1607, but, says Horn, it was > the > seedbed of many themes, both glorious (representative government) > and > tragic (imperialism), that run through American history. In this > detailed > narrative of Jamestown's first 18 years, Horn focuses primarily on > the > relationship between the English settlers and the Native Americans. > (He > gives disappointingly scant attention to the first Africans' arrival > in > 1619.) Jamestown was the first English colony in North America to > succeed; that success was "disastrous" for the Indians. The town > leader > John Smith figures prominently in Horn's tale. Smith's own written > recollection of his captivity by Indians is the source for the > well-known > story that a young Pocahontas saved his life; Horn dismisses > Smith's > account as implausibly exaggerated. In Horn's view, a pivotal point > in > Indian-Anglo relations was the Powhatan uprising of 1622. Any hope > that > the English might partner with the Indians against Spain and treat > them > with kindness or justice was killed thereafter, the settlers were > determined to exclude the Indians from their new commonwealth. 12 > b&w > illus., 6 maps. Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of > Reed > Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business > Information > Reed Elsevier Inc. > > Library Journal Review > Horn (director, John D. Rockefeller Lib., Colonial Williamsburg > Foundation; Adapting to a New World) writes an account of the > Jamestown > Colony, founded in 1607 the first permanent English settlement in > North > America, predating the Mayflower's arrival at Plymouth by 13 years. > Horn's story encompasses such legendary figures as Capt. John Smith > and > Pocahontas although Horn discounts the importance of the latter. He > defines in detail the significance of Jamestown: many of the themes > that > run through American history were first invoked there. For example, > on > March 22, 1622, hundreds of Powhatan warriors burned the > settlement, > taking the lives of 347 colonists. This calamitous event, which > came > close to destroying Jamestown, forever altered the relationship > between > the English and the Indians in the New World: no longer was it > possible > to achieve peace between the two peoples. Additionally, Jamestown > was > where slavery was first introduced into England's American Colonies; > it > also was primary in employing a representative government. Thus, > Horn > demonstrates that the Jamestown experience, for good and ill, played > a > formative role in defining America. Recommended for all public > libraries. > Karen Sutherland, Bartlett P.L., IL Copyright ? Reed Business > Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. > Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. > > Author Biography > James Horn is O'Neill Director of the John D. Rockefeller Jr. > Library at > The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation and lecturer at the College of > William & Mary Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. > > Table of Contents > AcknowledgmentsXI > Prologue: Before Jamestown1 > 1 Two Worlds11 > 2 The "Pearl and the Gold"39 > 3 Smith's Epic73 > 4 Innocence Lost99 > 5 Virginea Britannia131 > 6 War and Retribution157 > 7 Redeeming Pocahontas193 > 8 For "The Good of the Plantation"225 > 9 "Fatall Possession"249 > Epilogue: After the Fall279 > Illustration Credits291 > Notes293 > Index323 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nlXF9Zij0UxPLRvnx9QThD gaU > 8mS1u0QqWsXA0Bqh8Tcxmw/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1733 - Release Date: > 10/20/2008 > 7:25 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free search of religious schools located near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oJxrUBNzmbwJKlWD8SXSOb r9Q7Fk3DbnPTepqfq2K3Omn7C/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Roy, That would be fine. Betty On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:02:16 -0500 "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> writes: > I would like to put these reviews of this book on the Pace Network > with your > permission. I have some book reviews there now and intended to set > up a book > review section. Okay? > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > Of Betty A Pace > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PACE] A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of > America / > James Horn. > > A new look at Jamestown. > > I heard Dr. Horn;s televised presentation on PBS and he signaled > that > this book shows that Jamestown colonists almost failed, and had > they > failed, the English would have given up the Chesapeake Bay area, > only to > be followed by some other European power. Even New England might not > have > lasted in English hands. Thus our country might not be > English-speaking > today. My own library has the book (summarized below from the > library > catalog) and I have put in a request for it. > > A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James > Horn. > A land as God made it : Horn, James P. P. > > Call Number: 975.5425 HOR > Publication Information: New York : Basic Books, c2005. > > Physical Description: p. cm. > > ISBN: 0465030947 (hc : alk. paper) $26.00 > > > Summary > What if Jamestown-the first permanent English settlement in North > America-had collapsed? Would efforts to establish an English colony > have > been abandoned? Would other European powers such as the Spanish, > Dutch, > or French have moved into the mid-Atlantic region instead? Without > Virginia, would the Pilgrims have ever gone to Plymouth? Would the > English have ever established themselves as the major colonial power > on > the mainland of North America? Would modern American society have > been > entirely different? Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. > > Publisher's Weekly Review > Horn, who heads the library at the Colonial Williamsburg > Foundation, > offers a history that will put Plymouth in its place. Not only was > Jamestown settled before Plymouth, in 1607, but, says Horn, it was > the > seedbed of many themes, both glorious (representative government) > and > tragic (imperialism), that run through American history. In this > detailed > narrative of Jamestown's first 18 years, Horn focuses primarily on > the > relationship between the English settlers and the Native Americans. > (He > gives disappointingly scant attention to the first Africans' arrival > in > 1619.) Jamestown was the first English colony in North America to > succeed; that success was "disastrous" for the Indians. The town > leader > John Smith figures prominently in Horn's tale. Smith's own written > recollection of his captivity by Indians is the source for the > well-known > story that a young Pocahontas saved his life; Horn dismisses > Smith's > account as implausibly exaggerated. In Horn's view, a pivotal point > in > Indian-Anglo relations was the Powhatan uprising of 1622. Any hope > that > the English might partner with the Indians against Spain and treat > them > with kindness or justice was killed thereafter, the settlers were > determined to exclude the Indians from their new commonwealth. 12 > b&w > illus., 6 maps. Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of > Reed > Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business > Information > Reed Elsevier Inc. > > Library Journal Review > Horn (director, John D. Rockefeller Lib., Colonial Williamsburg > Foundation; Adapting to a New World) writes an account of the > Jamestown > Colony, founded in 1607 the first permanent English settlement in > North > America, predating the Mayflower's arrival at Plymouth by 13 years. > Horn's story encompasses such legendary figures as Capt. John Smith > and > Pocahontas although Horn discounts the importance of the latter. He > defines in detail the significance of Jamestown: many of the themes > that > run through American history were first invoked there. For example, > on > March 22, 1622, hundreds of Powhatan warriors burned the > settlement, > taking the lives of 347 colonists. This calamitous event, which > came > close to destroying Jamestown, forever altered the relationship > between > the English and the Indians in the New World: no longer was it > possible > to achieve peace between the two peoples. Additionally, Jamestown > was > where slavery was first introduced into England's American Colonies; > it > also was primary in employing a representative government. Thus, > Horn > demonstrates that the Jamestown experience, for good and ill, played > a > formative role in defining America. Recommended for all public > libraries. > Karen Sutherland, Bartlett P.L., IL Copyright ? Reed Business > Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. > Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. > > Author Biography > James Horn is O'Neill Director of the John D. Rockefeller Jr. > Library at > The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation and lecturer at the College of > William & Mary Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. > > Table of Contents > AcknowledgmentsXI > Prologue: Before Jamestown1 > 1 Two Worlds11 > 2 The "Pearl and the Gold"39 > 3 Smith's Epic73 > 4 Innocence Lost99 > 5 Virginea Britannia131 > 6 War and Retribution157 > 7 Redeeming Pocahontas193 > 8 For "The Good of the Plantation"225 > 9 "Fatall Possession"249 > Epilogue: After the Fall279 > Illustration Credits291 > Notes293 > Index323 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nlXF9Zij0UxPLRvnx9QThD gaU > 8mS1u0QqWsXA0Bqh8Tcxmw/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1733 - Release Date: > 10/20/2008 > 7:25 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free search of religious schools located near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oJxrUBNzmbwJKlWD8SXSObr9Q7Fk3DbnPTepqfq2K3Omn7C/
I agree with Joe . I would love to hear from any black Paces from Alabama( or elsewhere) who could submit to a DNA test. Is it possible that since in 1850 Cherokees were listed as black, that some black Paces today could believe they are black because of being listed that way on earlier census, rather than Cherokee? Are there any Paces in the Society with Cherokee ancestry who have done the DNA test? Is there DNA different from others? Anyone with Pace ancestry should be welcomed to the Society .They may possibly solve many questions. If my Canadian friend is a subscriber to this list. I would love to hear from her and whether she ever did get a relative to do the test. Do you know,Gordon in Canada? She brought pictures of her relatives in the USA who were black, but she looks as white as anyone I know. >From some notes from her. William Chastain Captain went to Canada between 1837-1842 With him was a Lucy Ann White b, June 16, 1827 in Charlottesville or Staunton,Va >From more notes from her there seems to be a connection to William Moment Pace b. 1806 and Dicy King The approx. location of the land that the Captain Children inherited is 130 acres at Cuffey's Creek In her notes are also the following Virginia family names, Meriwether Anderson Lewis Henry Pace(editor of the" Gazette of the United States"- broke the news on Oct. 13, 1802 that Thomas Jefferson had fathered a child by a slave( Slly Hemmings) Henry Pace's partner was found floating in the river after the story broke. Ann Meriwether Johnson( from her Captain line) had a second marriage to John Cosby. This is of particular interest to me as the lady who lived with my Pace family was Fannie Cosby( wife of Edw.Cosby) Lois Carey * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janders 45" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces The black Paces that I knew growing up in Clarke Co, AL, did not appear to be of mixed race, but undoubtedly there are a number of black Paces out there who would be a yDNA match for our white Pace lines. I only became aware of a famous case from my home county a couple of years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace_v._Alabama http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~novkov/research/pacechap.htm#_edn4 The link will take you to a rather scholarly study of a court case that went all the way to the US Supreme Court. "Tony Pace . . . . and his partner Mary Ann Cox were convicted in 1881 of engaging in adultery or fornication, a felony because she was white and he was (in the statute’s language) a Negro or a descendant of a Negro. . . . At the time of their arrest, they were living in Clarke County, in the south central region of Alabama where many former slaves had remained after emancipation. . . ." My hypothesis is that Tony Pace was a possible descendent of Dempsey Pace and, hence, a cousin. I had a lead on a possible descendent of the Tony Pace in the court case and I attempted to contact him in order to invite him to join the Pace Society and submit a DNA sample, but I got no response to my emails, possibly because the addresses I had were no longer valid. I personally think that it would be great if we had some DNA samples from black Paces and I would welcome them into the Society. Joe Anderson > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]> Date: > Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:42:19 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces > << Many slaves took the last name of their owners>> > Yes, and thought some might not like it, some of those slaves were the> > children of the owners. Thus, some of them may carry male Pace genes. I> > would be much in favor of soliciting DNA from black Paces if we can find > any> who would donate. _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
A new look at Jamestown. I heard Dr. Horn;s televised presentation on PBS and he signaled that this book shows that Jamestown colonists almost failed, and had they failed, the English would have given up the Chesapeake Bay area, only to be followed by some other European power. Even New England might not have lasted in English hands. Thus our country might not be English-speaking today. My own library has the book (summarized below from the library catalog) and I have put in a request for it. A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James Horn. A land as God made it : Horn, James P. P. Call Number: 975.5425 HOR Publication Information: New York : Basic Books, c2005. Physical Description: p. cm. ISBN: 0465030947 (hc : alk. paper) $26.00 Summary What if Jamestown-the first permanent English settlement in North America-had collapsed? Would efforts to establish an English colony have been abandoned? Would other European powers such as the Spanish, Dutch, or French have moved into the mid-Atlantic region instead? Without Virginia, would the Pilgrims have ever gone to Plymouth? Would the English have ever established themselves as the major colonial power on the mainland of North America? Would modern American society have been entirely different? Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. Publisher's Weekly Review Horn, who heads the library at the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation, offers a history that will put Plymouth in its place. Not only was Jamestown settled before Plymouth, in 1607, but, says Horn, it was the seedbed of many themes, both glorious (representative government) and tragic (imperialism), that run through American history. In this detailed narrative of Jamestown's first 18 years, Horn focuses primarily on the relationship between the English settlers and the Native Americans. (He gives disappointingly scant attention to the first Africans' arrival in 1619.) Jamestown was the first English colony in North America to succeed; that success was "disastrous" for the Indians. The town leader John Smith figures prominently in Horn's tale. Smith's own written recollection of his captivity by Indians is the source for the well-known story that a young Pocahontas saved his life; Horn dismisses Smith's account as implausibly exaggerated. In Horn's view, a pivotal point in Indian-Anglo relations was the Powhatan uprising of 1622. Any hope that the English might partner with the Indians against Spain and treat them with kindness or justice was killed thereafter, the settlers were determined to exclude the Indians from their new commonwealth. 12 b&w illus., 6 maps. Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. Library Journal Review Horn (director, John D. Rockefeller Lib., Colonial Williamsburg Foundation; Adapting to a New World) writes an account of the Jamestown Colony, founded in 1607 the first permanent English settlement in North America, predating the Mayflower's arrival at Plymouth by 13 years. Horn's story encompasses such legendary figures as Capt. John Smith and Pocahontas although Horn discounts the importance of the latter. He defines in detail the significance of Jamestown: many of the themes that run through American history were first invoked there. For example, on March 22, 1622, hundreds of Powhatan warriors burned the settlement, taking the lives of 347 colonists. This calamitous event, which came close to destroying Jamestown, forever altered the relationship between the English and the Indians in the New World: no longer was it possible to achieve peace between the two peoples. Additionally, Jamestown was where slavery was first introduced into England's American Colonies; it also was primary in employing a representative government. Thus, Horn demonstrates that the Jamestown experience, for good and ill, played a formative role in defining America. Recommended for all public libraries. Karen Sutherland, Bartlett P.L., IL Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. Author Biography James Horn is O'Neill Director of the John D. Rockefeller Jr. Library at The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation and lecturer at the College of William & Mary Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. Table of Contents AcknowledgmentsXI Prologue: Before Jamestown1 1 Two Worlds11 2 The "Pearl and the Gold"39 3 Smith's Epic73 4 Innocence Lost99 5 Virginea Britannia131 6 War and Retribution157 7 Redeeming Pocahontas193 8 For "The Good of the Plantation"225 9 "Fatall Possession"249 Epilogue: After the Fall279 Illustration Credits291 Notes293 Index323 ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nlXF9Zij0UxPLRvnx9QThDgaU8mS1u0QqWsXA0Bqh8Tcxmw/
I would like to put these reviews of this book on the Pace Network with your permission. I have some book reviews there now and intended to set up a book review section. Okay? Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty A Pace Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James Horn. A new look at Jamestown. I heard Dr. Horn;s televised presentation on PBS and he signaled that this book shows that Jamestown colonists almost failed, and had they failed, the English would have given up the Chesapeake Bay area, only to be followed by some other European power. Even New England might not have lasted in English hands. Thus our country might not be English-speaking today. My own library has the book (summarized below from the library catalog) and I have put in a request for it. A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James Horn. A land as God made it : Horn, James P. P. Call Number: 975.5425 HOR Publication Information: New York : Basic Books, c2005. Physical Description: p. cm. ISBN: 0465030947 (hc : alk. paper) $26.00 Summary What if Jamestown-the first permanent English settlement in North America-had collapsed? Would efforts to establish an English colony have been abandoned? Would other European powers such as the Spanish, Dutch, or French have moved into the mid-Atlantic region instead? Without Virginia, would the Pilgrims have ever gone to Plymouth? Would the English have ever established themselves as the major colonial power on the mainland of North America? Would modern American society have been entirely different? Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. Publisher's Weekly Review Horn, who heads the library at the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation, offers a history that will put Plymouth in its place. Not only was Jamestown settled before Plymouth, in 1607, but, says Horn, it was the seedbed of many themes, both glorious (representative government) and tragic (imperialism), that run through American history. In this detailed narrative of Jamestown's first 18 years, Horn focuses primarily on the relationship between the English settlers and the Native Americans. (He gives disappointingly scant attention to the first Africans' arrival in 1619.) Jamestown was the first English colony in North America to succeed; that success was "disastrous" for the Indians. The town leader John Smith figures prominently in Horn's tale. Smith's own written recollection of his captivity by Indians is the source for the well-known story that a young Pocahontas saved his life; Horn dismisses Smith's account as implausibly exaggerated. In Horn's view, a pivotal point in Indian-Anglo relations was the Powhatan uprising of 1622. Any hope that the English might partner with the Indians against Spain and treat them with kindness or justice was killed thereafter, the settlers were determined to exclude the Indians from their new commonwealth. 12 b&w illus., 6 maps. Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. Library Journal Review Horn (director, John D. Rockefeller Lib., Colonial Williamsburg Foundation; Adapting to a New World) writes an account of the Jamestown Colony, founded in 1607 the first permanent English settlement in North America, predating the Mayflower's arrival at Plymouth by 13 years. Horn's story encompasses such legendary figures as Capt. John Smith and Pocahontas although Horn discounts the importance of the latter. He defines in detail the significance of Jamestown: many of the themes that run through American history were first invoked there. For example, on March 22, 1622, hundreds of Powhatan warriors burned the settlement, taking the lives of 347 colonists. This calamitous event, which came close to destroying Jamestown, forever altered the relationship between the English and the Indians in the New World: no longer was it possible to achieve peace between the two peoples. Additionally, Jamestown was where slavery was first introduced into England's American Colonies; it also was primary in employing a representative government. Thus, Horn demonstrates that the Jamestown experience, for good and ill, played a formative role in defining America. Recommended for all public libraries. Karen Sutherland, Bartlett P.L., IL Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. Author Biography James Horn is O'Neill Director of the John D. Rockefeller Jr. Library at The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation and lecturer at the College of William & Mary Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. Table of Contents AcknowledgmentsXI Prologue: Before Jamestown1 1 Two Worlds11 2 The "Pearl and the Gold"39 3 Smith's Epic73 4 Innocence Lost99 5 Virginea Britannia131 6 War and Retribution157 7 Redeeming Pocahontas193 8 For "The Good of the Plantation"225 9 "Fatall Possession"249 Epilogue: After the Fall279 Illustration Credits291 Notes293 Index323 ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nlXF9Zij0UxPLRvnx9QThDgaU 8mS1u0QqWsXA0Bqh8Tcxmw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1733 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 7:25 AM
I will have to check that out. Thanks --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Fw: Re: A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James Horn. To: [email protected] Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 11:29 AM Roy, I heard it in Norfolk, VA on PBS channel 15 (WHRO). The author (Dr. James Horn) gave a short lecture and Q&A, which was sponsored by the Miller Center, University of Virginia, Charlottesville. A tape may be available, if anyone wants it. Betty --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:38:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [PACE] A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James Horn. Message-ID: <[email protected]> Roy, That would be fine. Betty On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:02:16 -0500 "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> writes: > I would like to put these reviews of this book on the Pace Network > with your > permission. I have some book reviews there now and intended to set > up a book > review section. Okay? > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > Of Betty A Pace > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PACE] A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of > America / > James Horn. > > A new look at Jamestown. > > I heard Dr. Horn;s televised presentation on PBS and he signaled > that > this book shows that Jamestown colonists almost failed, and had > they > failed, the English would have given up the Chesapeake Bay area, > only to > be followed by some other European power. Even New England might not > have > lasted in English hands. Thus our country might not be > English-speaking > today. My own library has the book (summarized below from the > library > catalog) and I have put in a request for it. > > A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James > Horn. > A land as God made it : Horn, James P. P. > > Call Number: 975.5425 HOR > Publication Information: New York : Basic Books, c2005. > > Physical Description: p. cm. > > ISBN: 0465030947 (hc : alk. paper) $26.00 > > > Summary > What if Jamestown-the first permanent English settlement in North > America-had collapsed? Would efforts to establish an English colony > have > been abandoned? Would other European powers such as the Spanish, > Dutch, > or French have moved into the mid-Atlantic region instead? Without > Virginia, would the Pilgrims have ever gone to Plymouth? Would the > English have ever established themselves as the major colonial power > on > the mainland of North America? Would modern American society have > been > entirely different? Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. > > Publisher's Weekly Review > Horn, who heads the library at the Colonial Williamsburg > Foundation, > offers a history that will put Plymouth in its place. Not only was > Jamestown settled before Plymouth, in 1607, but, says Horn, it was > the > seedbed of many themes, both glorious (representative government) > and > tragic (imperialism), that run through American history. In this > detailed > narrative of Jamestown's first 18 years, Horn focuses primarily on > the > relationship between the English settlers and the Native Americans. > (He > gives disappointingly scant attention to the first Africans' arrival > in > 1619.) Jamestown was the first English colony in North America to > succeed; that success was "disastrous" for the Indians. The town > leader > John Smith figures prominently in Horn's tale. Smith's own written > recollection of his captivity by Indians is the source for the > well-known > story that a young Pocahontas saved his life; Horn dismisses > Smith's > account as implausibly exaggerated. In Horn's view, a pivotal point > in > Indian-Anglo relations was the Powhatan uprising of 1622. Any hope > that > the English might partner with the Indians against Spain and treat > them > with kindness or justice was killed thereafter, the settlers were > determined to exclude the Indians from their new commonwealth. 12 > b&w > illus., 6 maps. Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of > Reed > Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business > Information > Reed Elsevier Inc. > > Library Journal Review > Horn (director, John D. Rockefeller Lib., Colonial Williamsburg > Foundation; Adapting to a New World) writes an account of the > Jamestown > Colony, founded in 1607 the first permanent English settlement in > North > America, predating the Mayflower's arrival at Plymouth by 13 years. > Horn's story encompasses such legendary figures as Capt. John Smith > and > Pocahontas although Horn discounts the importance of the latter. He > defines in detail the significance of Jamestown: many of the themes > that > run through American history were first invoked there. For example, > on > March 22, 1622, hundreds of Powhatan warriors burned the > settlement, > taking the lives of 347 colonists. This calamitous event, which > came > close to destroying Jamestown, forever altered the relationship > between > the English and the Indians in the New World: no longer was it > possible > to achieve peace between the two peoples. Additionally, Jamestown > was > where slavery was first introduced into England's American Colonies; > it > also was primary in employing a representative government. Thus, > Horn > demonstrates that the Jamestown experience, for good and ill, played > a > formative role in defining America. Recommended for all public > libraries. > Karen Sutherland, Bartlett P.L., IL Copyright ? Reed Business > Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. > Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. > > Author Biography > James Horn is O'Neill Director of the John D. Rockefeller Jr. > Library at > The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation and lecturer at the College of > William & Mary Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. > > Table of Contents > AcknowledgmentsXI > Prologue: Before Jamestown1 > 1 Two Worlds11 > 2 The "Pearl and the Gold"39 > 3 Smith's Epic73 > 4 Innocence Lost99 > 5 Virginea Britannia131 > 6 War and Retribution157 > 7 Redeeming Pocahontas193 > 8 For "The Good of the Plantation"225 > 9 "Fatall Possession"249 > Epilogue: After the Fall279 > Illustration Credits291 > Notes293 > Index323 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nlXF9Zij0UxPLRvnx9QThD gaU > 8mS1u0QqWsXA0Bqh8Tcxmw/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1733 - Release Date: > 10/20/2008 > 7:25 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free search of religious schools located near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oJxrUBNzmbwJKlWD8SXSOb r9Q7Fk3DbnPTepqfq2K3Omn7C/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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I've been interested for some time in learning how the African American PACE lines tie in. Orlando Pace, for example has been one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL....and as a Michigan fan, it pains me to say that since Pace is an Ohio State guy. :) Scott --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:06 AM > I agree with Joe . I would love to hear from any black Paces > from Alabama( > or elsewhere) who could submit to a DNA test. > Is it possible that since in 1850 Cherokees were listed as > black, that some > black Paces today could believe they > are black because of being listed that way on earlier > census, rather than > Cherokee? Are there any Paces in the > Society with Cherokee ancestry who have done the DNA test? > Is there DNA > different from others? > Anyone with Pace ancestry should be welcomed to the Society > .They may > possibly solve many questions. > If my Canadian friend is a subscriber to this list. I would > love to hear > from her and whether she ever did get a relative > to do the test. Do you know,Gordon in Canada? She brought > pictures of her > relatives in the USA who were black, > but she looks as white as anyone I know. > >From some notes from her. > William Chastain Captain went to Canada between 1837-1842 > With him was a Lucy Ann White b, June 16, 1827 in > Charlottesville or > Staunton,Va > >From more notes from her there seems to be a > connection to William Moment > Pace b. 1806 and Dicy King > The approx. location of the land that the Captain Children > inherited is 130 > acres at Cuffey's Creek > In her notes are also the following Virginia family names, > Meriwether > Anderson > Lewis > Henry Pace(editor of the" Gazette of the United > States"- broke the news on > Oct. 13, 1802 that > Thomas Jefferson had fathered a child by a slave( Slly > Hemmings) > Henry Pace's partner was found floating in the river > after the story broke. > Ann Meriwether Johnson( from her Captain line) had a second > marriage to John > Cosby. > This is of particular interest to me as the lady who lived > with my Pace > family was Fannie Cosby( wife of Edw.Cosby) > > > Lois Carey > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] > Please remove > [email protected] from your address books and files so that > we can stay in > touch! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janders 45" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces > > > The black Paces that I knew growing up in Clarke Co, AL, > did not appear to > be of mixed race, but undoubtedly there are a number of > black Paces out > there who would be a yDNA match for our white Pace lines. > I only became > aware of a famous case from my home county a couple of > years ago: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace_v._Alabama > > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~novkov/research/pacechap.htm#_edn4 > The link will take you to a rather scholarly study of a > court case that went > all the way to the US Supreme Court. "Tony Pace . . . > . and his partner Mary > Ann Cox were convicted in 1881 of engaging in adultery or > fornication, a > felony because she was white and he was (in the statute’s > language) a Negro > or a descendant of a Negro. . . . At the time of their > arrest, they were > living in Clarke County, in the south central region of > Alabama where many > former slaves had remained after emancipation. . . ." > > My hypothesis is that Tony Pace was a possible descendent > of Dempsey Pace > and, hence, a cousin. I had a lead on a possible > descendent of the Tony > Pace in the court case and I attempted to contact him in > order to invite him > to join the Pace Society and submit a DNA sample, but I got > no response to > my emails, possibly because the addresses I had were no > longer valid. > > I personally think that it would be great if we had some > DNA samples from > black Paces and I would welcome them into the Society. > > Joe Anderson > > > > > > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; > [email protected]> Date: > > Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:42:19 -0500> Subject: Re: > [PACE] tri-racial Paces > > > > << Many slaves took the last name of their > owners>> > > > > Yes, and thought some might not like it, some of those > slaves were the> > > children of the owners. Thus, some of them may carry > male Pace genes. I> > > would be much in favor of soliciting DNA from black > Paces if we can find > > any> who would donate. > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths > show you how. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
The black Paces that I knew growing up in Clarke Co, AL, did not appear to be of mixed race, but undoubtedly there are a number of black Paces out there who would be a yDNA match for our white Pace lines. I only became aware of a famous case from my home county a couple of years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace_v._Alabama http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~novkov/research/pacechap.htm#_edn4 The link will take you to a rather scholarly study of a court case that went all the way to the US Supreme Court. "Tony Pace . . . . and his partner Mary Ann Cox were convicted in 1881 of engaging in adultery or fornication, a felony because she was white and he was (in the statute’s language) a Negro or a descendant of a Negro. . . . At the time of their arrest, they were living in Clarke County, in the south central region of Alabama where many former slaves had remained after emancipation. . . ." My hypothesis is that Tony Pace was a possible descendent of Dempsey Pace and, hence, a cousin. I had a lead on a possible descendent of the Tony Pace in the court case and I attempted to contact him in order to invite him to join the Pace Society and submit a DNA sample, but I got no response to my emails, possibly because the addresses I had were no longer valid. I personally think that it would be great if we had some DNA samples from black Paces and I would welcome them into the Society. Joe Anderson > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:42:19 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces > << Many slaves took the last name of their owners>> > Yes, and thought some might not like it, some of those slaves were the> children of the owners. Thus, some of them may carry male Pace genes. I> would be much in favor of soliciting DNA from black Paces if we can find any> who would donate. _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008
Thank you for sending this out. It is very interesting. --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James Horn. To: [email protected] Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 9:52 AM A new look at Jamestown. I heard Dr. Horn;s televised presentation on PBS and he signaled that this book shows that Jamestown colonists almost failed, and had they failed, the English would have given up the Chesapeake Bay area, only to be followed by some other European power. Even New England might not have lasted in English hands. Thus our country might not be English-speaking today. My own library has the book (summarized below from the library catalog) and I have put in a request for it. A land as God made it : Jamestown and the birth of America / James Horn. A land as God made it : Horn, James P. P. Call Number: 975.5425 HOR Publication Information: New York : Basic Books, c2005. Physical Description: p. cm. ISBN: 0465030947 (hc : alk. paper) $26.00 Summary What if Jamestown-the first permanent English settlement in North America-had collapsed? Would efforts to establish an English colony have been abandoned? Would other European powers such as the Spanish, Dutch, or French have moved into the mid-Atlantic region instead? Without Virginia, would the Pilgrims have ever gone to Plymouth? Would the English have ever established themselves as the major colonial power on the mainland of North America? Would modern American society have been entirely different? Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. Publisher's Weekly Review Horn, who heads the library at the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation, offers a history that will put Plymouth in its place. Not only was Jamestown settled before Plymouth, in 1607, but, says Horn, it was the seedbed of many themes, both glorious (representative government) and tragic (imperialism), that run through American history. In this detailed narrative of Jamestown's first 18 years, Horn focuses primarily on the relationship between the English settlers and the Native Americans. (He gives disappointingly scant attention to the first Africans' arrival in 1619.) Jamestown was the first English colony in North America to succeed; that success was "disastrous" for the Indians. The town leader John Smith figures prominently in Horn's tale. Smith's own written recollection of his captivity by Indians is the source for the well-known story that a young Pocahontas saved his life; Horn dismisses Smith's account as implausibly exaggerated. In Horn's view, a pivotal point in Indian-Anglo relations was the Powhatan uprising of 1622. Any hope that the English might partner with the Indians against Spain and treat them with kindness or justice was killed thereafter, the settlers were determined to exclude the Indians from their new commonwealth. 12 b&w illus., 6 maps. Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. Library Journal Review Horn (director, John D. Rockefeller Lib., Colonial Williamsburg Foundation; Adapting to a New World) writes an account of the Jamestown Colony, founded in 1607 the first permanent English settlement in North America, predating the Mayflower's arrival at Plymouth by 13 years. Horn's story encompasses such legendary figures as Capt. John Smith and Pocahontas although Horn discounts the importance of the latter. He defines in detail the significance of Jamestown: many of the themes that run through American history were first invoked there. For example, on March 22, 1622, hundreds of Powhatan warriors burned the settlement, taking the lives of 347 colonists. This calamitous event, which came close to destroying Jamestown, forever altered the relationship between the English and the Indians in the New World: no longer was it possible to achieve peace between the two peoples. Additionally, Jamestown was where slavery was first introduced into England's American Colonies; it also was primary in employing a representative government. Thus, Horn demonstrates that the Jamestown experience, for good and ill, played a formative role in defining America. Recommended for all public libraries. Karen Sutherland, Bartlett P.L., IL Copyright ? Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. Copyright Reed Business Information Reed Elsevier Inc. Author Biography James Horn is O'Neill Director of the John D. Rockefeller Jr. Library at The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation and lecturer at the College of William & Mary Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc. Table of Contents AcknowledgmentsXI Prologue: Before Jamestown1 1 Two Worlds11 2 The "Pearl and the Gold"39 3 Smith's Epic73 4 Innocence Lost99 5 Virginea Britannia131 6 War and Retribution157 7 Redeeming Pocahontas193 8 For "The Good of the Plantation"225 9 "Fatall Possession"249 Epilogue: After the Fall279 Illustration Credits291 Notes293 Index323 ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nlXF9Zij0UxPLRvnx9QThDgaU8mS1u0QqWsXA0Bqh8Tcxmw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
absolutely!! He is welcome with me. I am a Caucasian Pace ....but, I do hope by now-in this day & time- we can accept that we may have other races in our blood line. I have always been very proud to be a Pace. In a message dated 10/19/2008 3:43:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have encouraged Europe Caucasian Farmer, the mixed race contact of mine who has Pace lineage, to join the Pace Society. I would not want him to feel unwelcome. Comment? Roy Johnson **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)
In a message dated 10/19/08 12:50:13 PM, [email protected] writes: > Actually, these tri-racial people were not the descendents of slaves, but > of > free blacks. Many folks do not know that the first blacks were treated as > indentured servants and released; one even imported white indentured > servants from Europe. It took most of a century to evolve our "peculiar > institution" of chattel slavery. At first, "slaves" could be white, black, > or Indian, and could be released after a term of servitude. > > Roy Johnson > Yes, Roy. It could have also happened in the mix of Irish and African slaves in the Caribbean. I never knew about Irish slaves till I started questioning the phrase in my own early RI Quaker tree. Background: A household member of the Quaker Slocum family of Rhode Island and Dartmouth, Massachusetts who was reportedly purchased as a slave and ended up marrying the master's son was "Lady" Elephel Fitzgerald (b. ca 1664 Ireland-1748, Massachusetts): A snippet: The "children stolen," "maidens pressed," and political prisoners from England were in great demand in the American Colonies and many women were brought who were "young, handsome and well-recommended for their virtuous education and demeanour, and were sold as wives to the planters fetching from one hundred and twenty to three hundred and fifty pounds of tobacco, i.e., from £18 to £52 sterling. Source: Slocum, Charles Elihu. A SHORT HISTORY OF THE SLOCUMS, SLOCUMBS, AND SLOCOMBS OF AMERICA. Genealogical and Biographical. [1882] Syracuse, NY, page 56. A friend challenged me on the term "slave." I found out that indeed, many Irish were slaves in every sense of the word. Do a google search for " Irish Slaves Caribbean" or "Irish Slaves" A snippet from one: There was no racial consideration or discrimination, you were either a freeman or a slave, but there was aggressive religious discrimination, with the Pope considered by all English Protestants to be the enemy of God and civilization, and all Catholics heathens and hated. Irish Catholics were not considered to be Christians. On the other hand, the Irish were literate, usually more so than the plantation owners, and thus were used as house servants, account keepers, scribes and teachers. But any infraction was dealt with the same severity, whether African or Irish, field worker or domestic servant. Floggings were common, and if a planter beat an Irish slave to death, it was not a crime, only a financial loss, and a lesser loss than killing a more expensive African. Parliament passed the Act to Regulate Slaves on British Plantations in 1667, designating authorized punishments to include whippings and brandings for slave offenses against a Christian. Irish Catholics were not considered Christians, even if they were freemen. The planters quickly began breeding the comely Irish women, not just because they were attractive, but because it was profitable, as well as pleasurable. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, and although an Irish woman may become free, her children were not. Naturally, most Irish mothers remained with their children after earning their freedom. Planters then began to breed Irish women with African men to produce more slaves who had lighter skin and brought a higher price. The practice became so widespread that in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” This legislation was not the result of any moral or racial consideration, but rather because the practice was interfering with the profits of the Royal African Company! It is inter esting to note that from 1680 to 1688, the Royal African Company sent 249 shiploads of slaves to the Indies and American Colonies, with a cargo of 60,000 Irish and Africans. More than 14,000 died during passage." link: http://www.giftofireland.com/IrishSlaves.htm http://www.kavanaghfamily.com/articles/2003/20030618jfc.htm ------------------ This same SLOCUM family of Dartmouth Quakers educated and freed a slave named Kofi who became known as Cuffe SLOCUM. Cuffe's freeborn son, (born to him and his Native American wife), rejected the SLOCUM name to become Paul Cuffe. http://www.blackpast.org/?q=aah/cuffe-paul-sr-1759-1817 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cuffe Maureen Mead [email protected] SC CTGenWeb Project: CTGenWeb.org My grandmother, Eva May Poole (Pettypoole)>Elizabeth Poole>Demarcus R. Poole> Maiden Seay Pace>Stephen Pace>etc. ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)
Quote:I wonder if Cherokees were listed as Black on the census in 1850 yes, cherokee were listed as mulatto, black dutch, negro, or often just as "unknown". the trail of tears was in 1838-39 and the ones that had married into the white people had to hide their heritage, sometimes keeping it hidden from their children as well. sometimes they would tell only the child that could be trusted to keep their secret quiet. they had to assimilate totally into the white culture or face death. 'The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you.' Entsala DelegalisWaya [>gls \y There is no death; only a changing of worlds. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
I meant to send a post to another list member about the tri-race Paces. It mentioned a Black and a Cherokee having lived in the household of my grgrandparents. Sorry to have bored everyone with it. Lois Carey * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!
I don't how many of my earlier posts you have read. In 1850, living in the household of my grgrandparents was a William Captain, Black, carpenter, age 50. I do not know anything about him, but posted that information on the net and a lady who lives in Canada replied.She is related to a Captain family from Albemarle and Fluvanna area. She told me there was a gentlemen named Boswell who left some land to his slaves and their names were Captain.. She seemed to think there was some connection to the family of Thomas Jefferson also. She was on her way to Monticello to meet with some people there and show them information about her family. She stopped here on her way, and we had lunch. She has also met with Gordon Pace, who lives in Canada and the two of them put some information together. Another family story from my mother was that someone named "Aunt Fanny Cosby" lived with them and that she was part Cherokee. I did find a Fanny Cosby living with them in 1900. What I have since found is that my grgrandmother ,Elizabeth and Fanny may have been sisters.Their family moved to Alabama, which apparently is where Fannie was born.When the family returned to Va. She married a Edward Cosby,(Widower) from Louisa County. He signed an application for my other grgrandmother, Mary Ann Herndon Robinson, to get a pension from the service of her husband(David Robinson) in the war of 1812. I wonder if Cherokees were listed as Black on the census in 1850. Very challenging.! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genevieve Keller" <[email protected]> To: "Scott Aaron" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces >A 1965 news clipping in my possession quotes the 1962 charter of the > Pace Society as describing the society as "a non-profit organization > of Paces, white, of English descent, who inherited the name and whose > intent it is to collect, record, and print family records of the past > and present, recognizing the deeds and incidents of those worthy, and > see that they are preserved and revised for future descendants." > > some interesting language "white" "of English descent" "of those > worthy" and "revised for future descendants"--that raises other > questions and illuminates the thinking of the 1960s. > > > > > > On Oct 19, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Scott Aaron wrote: > >>> The Pace society had a "whites >>> only' restriction in >>> the by-laws up to 2001. >> >> Wow...I had know idea that was the case. I guess it shouldn't be >> overly surprising given that genealogy is primarily an 'older >> generation' hobby, and older generations grew up in a time when >> that mentality was tolerated (especially in the south, and of >> course most of the PACE lines have southern heritage...and I'm >> guessing the Society may have been founded in the south given that >> fact), but its still kind of shocking when you see/read something >> like that...especially today. In 2001? Whew. >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
A 1965 news clipping in my possession quotes the 1962 charter of the Pace Society as describing the society as "a non-profit organization of Paces, white, of English descent, who inherited the name and whose intent it is to collect, record, and print family records of the past and present, recognizing the deeds and incidents of those worthy, and see that they are preserved and revised for future descendants." some interesting language "white" "of English descent" "of those worthy" and "revised for future descendants"--that raises other questions and illuminates the thinking of the 1960s. On Oct 19, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Scott Aaron wrote: >> The Pace society had a "whites >> only' restriction in >> the by-laws up to 2001. > > Wow...I had know idea that was the case. I guess it shouldn't be > overly surprising given that genealogy is primarily an 'older > generation' hobby, and older generations grew up in a time when > that mentality was tolerated (especially in the south, and of > course most of the PACE lines have southern heritage...and I'm > guessing the Society may have been founded in the south given that > fact), but its still kind of shocking when you see/read something > like that...especially today. In 2001? Whew. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Actually, these tri-racial people were not the descendents of slaves, but of free blacks. Many folks do not know that the first blacks were treated as indentured servants and released; one even imported white indentured servants from Europe. It took most of a century to evolve our "peculiar institution" of chattel slavery. At first, "slaves" could be white, black, or Indian, and could be released after a term of servitude. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces I missed the earlier posts .... however, no big surprise for me. My Dad used to tell me how many slaves in the south would take on the last name of their "owners" if they were treated very well . Besides that, we are really all one anyway. In a message dated 10/17/2008 9:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am surprised that there were no responses to my previous posts about the tri-racial group in the upper south which included Paces. Since members of this group were classified variously as white, mulatto, or FPC (free person of color). Some of our non-matching Paces could come from this group, many of whom were so light skinned that they could easily pass into the white world and pass their name on. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 10/18/2008 6:01 PM
<< Many slaves took the last name of their owners>> Yes, and thought some might not like it, some of those slaves were the children of the owners. Thus, some of them may carry male Pace genes. I would be much in favor of soliciting DNA from black Paces if we can find any who would donate. An unpleasant topic, and likely to stir controversy, but it needs to be said. I have private email from a society member that, only a few years ago, when he was contacted by a black Pace who wanted to join the society, he was told he would be ostracized if he pursued it and brought the person to a Pace Society meeting. The Pace society had a "whites only' restriction in the by-laws up to 2001. I certainly hope that feeling no longer exists and I think a strong stand should be made against it if it does. I have encouraged Europe Ahmed Farmer, the mixed race contact of mine who has Pace lineage, to join the Pace Society. I would not want him to feel unwelcome. Comment? Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Aaron Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces Many slaves took the last name of their owners regardless of how they were treated as it was a way to stay connected to their families and only life that they had known. I'm sure many descendants of slave owning families would like to assume that African Americans that kept the surname of their families did so because their ancestors were 'good' slave owners, but often it had nothing to do with how they were treated as slaves. In researching my own wife's family we found slavery horror stories, yet there her ancestors were, post Civil War, carrying the surnames of their owners. Scott --- On Sat, 10/18/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 10:31 PM > I missed the earlier posts .... however, no big surprise for > me. My Dad > used to tell me how many slaves in the south would take on > the last name of > their "owners" if they were treated very well . > Besides that, we are really > all one anyway. > > > In a message dated 10/17/2008 9:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I am surprised that there were no responses to my previous > posts about the > tri-racial group in the upper south which included Paces. > Since members of > this group were classified variously as white, mulatto, or > FPC (free person > of color). Some of our non-matching Paces could come from > this group, many > of whom were so light skinned that they could easily pass > into the white > world and pass their name on. > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening > at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 10/18/2008 6:01 PM