After we left St. Dunstan's we went to St. Paul's. I did not have time to go in but I did take several pictures of the outside. I have downloaded the pictures to my home camera and also made a DVD set from the memory cards. However, I have not yet transferred the pictures to the computer where I email from. I will do that shortly. Royce ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] St. Dunstans > Royce W. Phillips wrote: > >> I'm not sure who I should send this to. My wife and I just returned two >> weeks ago from London. We had a big part of one day to do some exploring >> east of the Tower of London. We walked down to St. Dunstans and found it >> rather easily. We looked around outside for awhile. Then we were able >> to find someone inside. They allowed us in and for over an hour we >> explored, chatted, and took dozens of digital pictures. I took many more >> outside. From there we walked along Wapping Street toward the Tower of >> London. I discovered there was a Pace wedding at the church in 2004. I >> would be happy to share the details as well as the pictures with the >> Society if someone would tell me how to go about that. >> >> Royce Phillips >> ------------------------------- > > Royce, > > I have been adding some Reunion pictures to the Society web site > http://www.pacesociety.org/reunion2/001.htm > in the form of slide shows and would be happy to add some of yours as a > St. Dunstan's feature slide show, also if you have any of St. Paul's too, > where Richard Pace was Dean 1519 to 1524. > > If you take your pictures to a Walmart photo store, they can arrange your > pictures on a CD. > > Gord Pace > PO Box 3066 > Brighton, Ontario > Canada K0K 1H0 > > >

Yes, they are the same. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MAC Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Funding needed Roy: About a month ago I sent a small amount to help in funding a DNA test. I just noticed the transaction was paid to Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd, not FTDNA. Are these two "companies" one and the same or have I been slightly scammed? M. A. Causey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM

Roy: About a month ago I sent a small amount to help in funding a DNA test. I just noticed the transaction was paid to Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd, not FTDNA. Are these two "companies" one and the same or have I been slightly scammed? M. A. Causey

Hold off just a little till I hear from him and make sure he hasn't paid. There is some confusion. Then you have to put it in the FTDNA Pace fund by credit card. I will give you the details. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Funding needed Roy I will contribute $30.00....tell me where to send check, ~Kathlynn~ In a message dated 10/26/2008 9:37:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I need funding for a person of the following lineage: **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM

Lois Long Carey wrote: > Are there any Paces in the > Society with Cherokee ancestry who have done the DNA test? Is there DNA > different from others? > Anyone with Pace ancestry should be welcomed to the Society .They may > possibly solve many questions. > If my Canadian friend is a subscriber to this list. I would love to hear > from her and whether she ever did get a relative > to do the test. Do you know,Gordon in Canada? She brought pictures of her > relatives in the USA who were black, > but she looks as white as anyone I know. Yes, I subscribed her onto the Pace list myself. She has recognised many of the Pace family names from your ancestry and connected them with an ancestral chart from her family. More work needs to be done on this. This is an interesting case but it seems to involve some kind of political cover-up from the Jefferson era. I was expecting to see someone of colour when I went to visit Barb Danby at Waterloo, Ontario. I read with her the book about Thomas Jefferson from the Waterloo Library. It mentioned HENRY PACE editor of the National or US Gazette had disclosed information, I think about JEFFERSON. HENRY PACE was beaten or roughed up for doing so. Afterwards, MERIWETHER LEWIS was killed, Shortly after being appointed Governor of the Louisiana Territory. (Murdered or suicide) Was Lewis' death to do with being appointed governor of the Louisiana Territory or something else. He was called back from St. Louis to take this posting, if I remember correctly. The episode of HENRY PACE seemed to possibly have a connection to the LEWIS death. Does anyone know more about HENRY PACE, his ancestry? These facts likely have a connection to Barb Danby's ancestry and why she can't put a handle on some of it. There are historical situations that are difficult to explain, especially when political skullduggery seems to be involved and I've read enough essays that indicate. Barb Danby has intense JOHNSON connections and was in close contact with a JOHNSON researcher in New England. JOHNSON is intricately involved with PACE ancestry, as we know, in those VA counties of your ancestry. In Ontario we had the terminus of the Underground Railway and it continued on to Montreal. Many coloured folk came here to Ontario and American bounty hunters came up to kill them if they couldn't take them back to the US. Some American bounty hunters, much hated in Ontario, were killed themselves. The Americans were much hated in colonial Upper Canada (Ontario) and the blacks of emancipation were very much welcomed. Then the American Irish or Fenian Raids of 1837 were beaten back. This is why many of Scott Aaron's United Empire Loyalist Paces left Ontario and returned to the US. Much hard feeling still exists today here in Ontario. In Ontario we have some interesting Colonial Heritage TV programmes that go deeply into this so we don't forget easily. I've recorded many. This is where American History differs depending on what side of the border it's taught. Anyway, so much for that, but I believe some of this had an effect on Barb Danby's ancestry and why William Chastain Captain went to Canada between 1837-1842 and was sent some kind of pension to keep the family members in Canada so they might not be killed as so many fleeing folk were, before or after they made it to Canada. Could it be Barb Danby's ancestor connected to Monticello was from Cherokee background instead of black. As you say, Lois, some Cherokee were considered black, probably for the land grab in Tennessee. These people would look white so they had to be made to look otherwise, politically. Consider Will Rogers from Claremore, Oklahoma wasn't he Cherokee. I visited the museum with Ivan Pace in July. He had a way of talking about politics. Truly a great man and respected everywhere. He also looked as white as anyone. Maybe Barb Danby's people were Cherokee and some were black and the Cherokee were considered black and made to look that way for the land grab in Tennessee and then the Trail of Tears. There is much on the Creek-southeast Rootsweb list. Some of my ARCH family went there from England in colonial days. Also came across some PACES on that list. GTP >>From some notes from her. > William Chastain Captain went to Canada between 1837-1842 > With him was a Lucy Ann White b, June 16, 1827 in Charlottesville or > Staunton,Va >>From more notes from her there seems to be a connection to William Moment > Pace b. 1806 and Dicy King > The approx. location of the land that the Captain Children inherited is 130 > acres at Cuffey's Creek > In her notes are also the following Virginia family names, > Meriwether > Anderson > Lewis > Henry Pace(editor of the" Gazette of the United States"- broke the news on > Oct. 13, 1802 that > Thomas Jefferson had fathered a child by a slave( Slly Hemmings) > Henry Pace's partner was found floating in the river after the story broke. Also wasn't Meriwether Lewis found floating in a river, thought to have been murdered or suicide? GTP > Ann Meriwether Johnson( from her Captain line) had a second marriage to John > Cosby. > This is of particular interest to me as the lady who lived with my Pace > family was Fannie Cosby( wife of Edw.Cosby) > > > Lois Carey

Roy I will contribute $30.00....tell me where to send check, ~Kathlynn~ In a message dated 10/26/2008 9:37:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I need funding for a person of the following lineage: **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

I need funding for a person of the following lineage: Donor Father Grandfather Great-Grandfather - Robert James Pace b. June 8, 1848, Columbus, Colorado Co. TX - d September 4, 1903, Bastrop Co. TX-Married Martha Ellen Keepers G-Great-Grandfather - Dempsey Council Pace b, abt 1820, TN - d. Oct. 3, 1851, Columbus, Colorado Co. TX -Married Elizabeth Dabney G-G-Great-Grandfather - Gideon Pace b. abt 1784, TN - d. abt Sept. 2, 1829, Schooner Eclipse returning to TX. Gideon arrived in TX in 1828, documented in Texas State Archives. Gideon is listed with known brothers in William Pace Sr. will.- Married Martha Hunt G- G-G-Great-Grandfather - William Pace Sr. b. abt 1747, Edgecombe Co.,NC d. 1845, in Montgomery Co., TN-Married Sicely Walker We usually collect the funds before ordering the kit but he didn't understand that and went ahead and ordered a 67 marker at $149 plus $4.00 s/h, and donated $50 toward that end. We need the rest. There is already some money in the fund that we could use if we don't reach the amount but I like to keep a little cushion. Roy Johnason

He can't do DNA; he isn't a Pace and his Pace ancestor was female and several generations back. No chance to find a male Pace descendent; he isn't even sure who the father of his female Pace ancestor was. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces Roy, I did respond to your message about tri-racial PACE's. I wish we could get this person to do DNA and find out if we (any of us) are related to this person somehow. I don't actually see this as being a bad thing, we are who we are, and it won't change anything. I would love to see the DNA myself, if nothing else. Addie Pace-Galsgow<BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)</HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM

Roy, I did respond to your message about tri-racial PACE's. I wish we could get this person to do DNA and find out if we (any of us) are related to this person somehow. I don't actually see this as being a bad thing, we are who we are, and it won't change anything. I would love to see the DNA myself, if nothing else. Addie Pace-Galsgow<BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)</HTML>

Jon, I had heard that my G Grandfather's brother was James (O) Pace b. abt. 1840, some say 1846 MS. He has on his census in Franklin Co., AL that he was b. AL, but I am sure none of the children of Wyche/Wyatt H. Pace and Matilda W. Kirk were not born in AL. Wyche/Wyatt H. Pace was supposedly the son of Dempsey Pace and Miss HUNT. James Pace is on 1880 census, Franklin Co., AL., Township 7 Family History Library Film: 1254013; NA Film Number: T9-0013, Pg. 575A James Pace- self-MD-M-W-40-AL AL AL-farmer Josephine-wife-F-W-32-AL AL AL-keeps house Lewis Pace-son-s-m-w-11-AL AL AL-works on farm John Pace-son-s-m-w-8-AL AL AL Mattie Pace-dau-s-f-w-6-AL AL AL Mary Pace-dau-s-f-w-1-AL AL AL I cannot find any of this fmaily after THIS 1880 census. He would be brother to Lewis Cullen Pace, b. 1848 and married Mary Jane Benson- my G Grandparents- parents of Lonie Leona (Lucy L. on census- Franklin Co., AL) PACE married PACE, Joseph Benjamin Pace- my Grandparents. I really need some help on this. I know all this family did NOT die at same time after the 1880 census. Thanks, Addie Pace-Glasgow <BR><BR>**************<BR>Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)</HTML>

Roy Johnson wrote: > I am surprised that there were no responses to my previous posts about the > tri-racial group in the upper south which included Paces. Since members of > this group were classified variously as white, mulatto, or FPC (free person > of color). Some of our non-matching Paces could come from this group, many > of whom were so light skinned that they could easily pass into the white > world and pass their name on. > To see this interesting story, go to > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/Pace-Taylor/ > Roy Johnaon > ------------------------------- Many years ago, in the mid '60s I did service work from house to house, on the Bahamian Island of New Providence (Nassau Town) when it was still a British Colony and encountered many 'coloured' folk that were as light skinned as the local so called whites. Both groups were a coffee colour as coffee appears when milk is normally added. I was told that colonists from England came to the colony, in yore, and their descendents gradually became this light coffee colour, having no inter-relations, necessarily, with the local so called coloured folks there. My close friend who told me about this was from England himself and another from Australia. Both groups seemed to retain their characteristic features. The 'whites' were proud to have been just so many generations from England. Whether or not the races remained as pure, the colour seemed to come together as a common colour on that Island. Perhaps other British Colonists, such as from Malta, had settled on Bahamian Islands and the BWI while working the Merchant Marine Service. Maltese have this same colour and pass with British Colonial Citizenships in the Commonwealth. No doubt, many of these entered the colonial U.S. as they served on the British ships worldwide. Gord Pace

Royce W. Phillips wrote: > I'm not sure who I should send this to. My wife and I just returned two weeks ago from London. We had a big part of one day to do some exploring east of the Tower of London. We walked down to St. Dunstans and found it rather easily. We looked around outside for awhile. Then we were able to find someone inside. They allowed us in and for over an hour we explored, chatted, and took dozens of digital pictures. I took many more outside. From there we walked along Wapping Street toward the Tower of London. I discovered there was a Pace wedding at the church in 2004. I would be happy to share the details as well as the pictures with the Society if someone would tell me how to go about that. > > Royce Phillips > > ------------------------------- Royce, I have been adding some Reunion pictures to the Society web site http://www.pacesociety.org/reunion2/001.htm in the form of slide shows and would be happy to add some of yours as a St. Dunstan's feature slide show, also if you have any of St. Paul's too, where Richard Pace was Dean 1519 to 1524. If you take your pictures to a Walmart photo store, they can arrange your pictures on a CD. Gord Pace PO Box 3066 Brighton, Ontario Canada K0K 1H0

I haven't actually tried them all myself, but there is no way you can simply click or even copy and paste those long URLs. You have to take out the spaces and the > characters after you paste them. They have to be solid. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Hallman Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] FW: Evidence Explained (this might be of interest to reserchers Betty - Does RootsWeb still change links so you have to copy and paste? Anyhow, I first got to it by doing just that. But when the page popped up I noticed a different url so here it is. Hope it works for you!   http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/email/email4f09f466a13f4c89927b42c50b81 1538.html   Carol Pace Hallman --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] FW: Evidence Explained (this might be of interest to reserchers To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:02 PM Did anyone get into this web site. I couldn't make the link work. 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Received information from the Bartow Co GA List today about the following: For awhile now, the national archives division (NARA) in GA has allowed people to bring in their own flash drive and scan microfilm to a pdf file instead of printing files out on paper.... The Ga State Archives are now allowing the same thing. If you dont have a flash stick, they are selling them. Wish I lived in GA to take advantage of this. For those who can, enjoy! Gayle Fuller Boggess sent this to the Ezekiel Fuller Descendants List today and I thought I would copy it and send it to the Pace List. I wish some of the other State Archives and Libraries would do this. Or, let us scan to a *.jpg format? Kim Stracener Zapalac

Did anyone get into this web site. I couldn't make the link work. Betty Pace On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:44:24 -0500 "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> writes: > > > > > From: Footnote [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:11 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Evidence Explained > > > > To view this email as a web page, go > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?email=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yE e8v > zT4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=4> here. > > October 2008 > > "Best Reference of 2007" > > > > Evidence Explained by Elizabeth Shown Mills > > > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> Evidence > Explained > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> > > Footnote is the exclusive provider of the digital version of > Elizabeth Shown > Mills' book, Evidence Explained. The LIBRARY JOURNAL selected > Evidence > Explained as one of its "Best Reference of 2007" selections. This > ground-breaking reference volume features over 1,000 citation > models, > including records created by digital media: websites, digital books, > DVDs, > CDs, podcasts and more. Download a digital copy of this valuable > book from > Footnote and get the convenience of easy reference searches, laptop > portability, and thumb drive storage. The hardcover cost in > bookstores is > more than double the price of the digital version from Footnote, > where it's > only $24.95. Take advantage of this offer by clicking the link > below. > > > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> Evidence > Explained > > > > ult.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> Elizabeth > Shown > Mills > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> > > About the Author > > Elizabeth Shown Mills is a historical writer with decades of > research > experience in public and private records of many Western nations. > Published > widely in academic and popular presses, Mills edited a > national-level > scholarly journal for sixteen years, taught for thirteen years at a > National > Archives-based institute on archival records, and for twenty years > has > headed a university-based program in advanced research methodology. > Mills > knows records, loves records, and regularly shares her expertise in > them > with live and media audiences across three continents. > > Footnote <http://www.footnote.com/i/affimg/sidelogo.png> > > open > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?open=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=3> > > > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=98> > Footnote.com > > Questions about Footnote <mailto:[email protected]> email us. > > C2008 Footnote. All Rights Reserved. > > This email was sent to: [email protected] > > This email was sent by: Footnote.com > 355 S. 520 W. Lindon, UT 84042 USA > > We respect your right to privacy - > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?privacy=urIo8yYpX5JBE4 yEe > 8vzT4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=5> view our > policy > > > > > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?manage=urIo8yYpX5JBE4y Ee8 > vzT4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=67> > Unsubscribe/Manage Subscriptions | > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?update=urIo8yYpX5JBE4y Ee8 > vzT4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=7> Update > Profile > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1733 - Release Date: > 10/20/2008 > 7:25 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3norRKjsgCoe7Kx7AGiTOdPSNDIFNiZhJvDJWzfKuY8j3jfy/

Betty - Does RootsWeb still change links so you have to copy and paste? Anyhow, I first got to it by doing just that. But when the page popped up I noticed a different url so here it is. Hope it works for you!   http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/email/email4f09f466a13f4c89927b42c50b811538.html   Carol Pace Hallman --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] FW: Evidence Explained (this might be of interest to reserchers To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:02 PM Did anyone get into this web site. I couldn't make the link work. Betty Pace On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:44:24 -0500 "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> writes: > > > > > From: Footnote [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:11 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Evidence Explained > > > > To view this email as a web page, go > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?email=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yE e8v > zT4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=4> here. > > October 2008 > > "Best Reference of 2007" > > > > Evidence Explained by Elizabeth Shown Mills > > > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> Evidence > Explained > <http://survey.iarchives.com/fnsurvey/Default.aspx?link=urIo8yYpX5JBE4yEe 8vz > T4r4agxxEzc6DQodkH%2bXyRQLZCJcQehDqpqX1ra3sJJN&linkid=390> > > Footnote is the exclusive provider of the digital version of > Elizabeth Shown > Mills' book, Evidence Explained. 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Maybe we should try to contact Orlando Pace to see if he might be interested. I remember reading that right after he signed his pro contract he hired a genealogist to trace his family history. It would be interesting to learn what he learned and would be doubly interesting if he were interested. Jonathan A Pace Marietta, GA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Aaron Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces I've been interested for some time in learning how the African American PACE lines tie in. Orlando Pace, for example has been one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL....and as a Michigan fan, it pains me to say that since Pace is an Ohio State guy. :) Scott --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:06 AM > I agree with Joe . I would love to hear from any black Paces > from Alabama( > or elsewhere) who could submit to a DNA test. > Is it possible that since in 1850 Cherokees were listed as > black, that some > black Paces today could believe they > are black because of being listed that way on earlier > census, rather than > Cherokee? Are there any Paces in the > Society with Cherokee ancestry who have done the DNA test? > Is there DNA > different from others? > Anyone with Pace ancestry should be welcomed to the Society > .They may > possibly solve many questions. > If my Canadian friend is a subscriber to this list. I would > love to hear > from her and whether she ever did get a relative > to do the test. Do you know,Gordon in Canada? She brought > pictures of her > relatives in the USA who were black, > but she looks as white as anyone I know. > >From some notes from her. > William Chastain Captain went to Canada between 1837-1842 > With him was a Lucy Ann White b, June 16, 1827 in > Charlottesville or > Staunton,Va > >From more notes from her there seems to be a > connection to William Moment > Pace b. 1806 and Dicy King > The approx. location of the land that the Captain Children > inherited is 130 > acres at Cuffey's Creek > In her notes are also the following Virginia family names, > Meriwether > Anderson > Lewis > Henry Pace(editor of the" Gazette of the United > States"- broke the news on > Oct. 13, 1802 that > Thomas Jefferson had fathered a child by a slave( Slly > Hemmings) > Henry Pace's partner was found floating in the river > after the story broke. > Ann Meriwether Johnson( from her Captain line) had a second > marriage to John > Cosby. > This is of particular interest to me as the lady who lived > with my Pace > family was Fannie Cosby( wife of Edw.Cosby) > > > Lois Carey > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] > Please remove > [email protected] from your address books and files so that > we can stay in > touch! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janders 45" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces > > > The black Paces that I knew growing up in Clarke Co, AL, > did not appear to > be of mixed race, but undoubtedly there are a number of > black Paces out > there who would be a yDNA match for our white Pace lines. > I only became > aware of a famous case from my home county a couple of > years ago: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace_v._Alabama > > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~novkov/research/pacechap.htm#_edn4 > The link will take you to a rather scholarly study of a > court case that went > all the way to the US Supreme Court. "Tony Pace . . . > . and his partner Mary > Ann Cox were convicted in 1881 of engaging in adultery or > fornication, a > felony because she was white and he was (in the statute's > language) a Negro > or a descendant of a Negro. . . . At the time of their > arrest, they were > living in Clarke County, in the south central region of > Alabama where many > former slaves had remained after emancipation. . . ." > > My hypothesis is that Tony Pace was a possible descendent > of Dempsey Pace > and, hence, a cousin. I had a lead on a possible > descendent of the Tony > Pace in the court case and I attempted to contact him in > order to invite him > to join the Pace Society and submit a DNA sample, but I got > no response to > my emails, possibly because the addresses I had were no > longer valid. > > I personally think that it would be great if we had some > DNA samples from > black Paces and I would welcome them into the Society. > > Joe Anderson > > > > > > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; > [email protected]> Date: > > Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:42:19 -0500> Subject: Re: > [PACE] tri-racial Paces > > > > << Many slaves took the last name of their > owners>> > > > > Yes, and thought some might not like it, some of those > slaves were the> > > children of the owners. Thus, some of them may carry > male Pace genes. 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I am proud to be a caucasian PACE also, but would feel the same if I was tri-racial, to be a PACE. I hope this person will join us. Addie

> Maybe we should try to contact Orlando Pace to see if he > might be > interested. I remember reading that right after he signed > his pro contract > he hired a genealogist to trace his family history. Interesting. I had no idea. That would seem to open up the possibility that he might be willing to share his info with the PACE list/society. Maybe I'll see if I can try to reach him somehow. Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

1790 Edgecombe Co. NC -- census 1790 Edgecombe County, Halifax Dist pg 55a Pace, John.....................................2-0-0-0-5 At some distance on the census 1790 Edgecombe County, Halifax Dist pg 55a Pace, John.....................................1-2-4-0-0 Philips, Arthur................................1-2-3-0-15 Price, Samuel..................................1-2-4-0-0 Pace, Stephen..................................1-2-4-0-0 This is not in Bruce Howard's book. I think the Stephen Pace (near John Pace) is the son of John & Sarah Burge Pace. But who are the two John Paces? Bety Pace ____________________________________________________________ Experience the rustic luxury that comes with building a log home. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m1c6gnwlnIVZ2jNSjS8pZPwbsIy6lNzkQbWzCwD3nbbZoww/