Spencer Pace was a figment of my imagination. I meant Dempsey Pace and I think my brain scrambled the letters around. My mistake. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lois Long Carey Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 and Spencer Pace Somewhere in my notes I heard from a man who lived in N.C in the house that once belonged to Spencer Pace. Was there more than one Spencer Pace? Will try to find my notes! Lois carey * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lonnie Pace" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 > Roy, > > Well, I might as well "pile on" too. > > In the black paragraph under the chart, you say "126591 is a descendent > of the third brother, Spencer." > > We can't all be without error. I appreciate the work that you do, and > only wish that I had your understanding of the subject. > > Let's see if I have this straight. I gather from the information that: > A: it is believed that there were three brothers, John, William and > Dempsey Pace, and > B: we have DNA samples from direct line descendants of each of these > three brothers, and the commonality of these samples appears to prove > that belief, and > C: There is no such thing as "Proof Positive", rather only a > preponderance of the evidence submitted that strengthens said belief. > > Thank You, > > Lonnie Pace > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Roy Johnson > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:11 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 > > Thanks for the heads up. Don't know where Ic ame up with Spencer. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Janders 45 > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 > > I see one error in the chart - Spencer should be Dempsey. Yes, > Frederick > Pace of Wales is alive and well, at least from a family tree/ancestral > chart > point of view. > > The DNA results only indicate that it is highly probable that the five > individuals tested have a common male ancestor at some point in time, > but > the DNA results alone can't speak to the exact nature of that > relationship. > To determine this, we have to rely on other sources and, fortunately, > the > nature of the relationship of the three Clarke Co Paces, William, John, > and > Dempsey, is rather well documented. The DNA evidence does not "prove" > that > these old sources are true, but the evidence is consistent with the old > sources, so it does suggest that they are likely to be true. As Roy > pointed > out, we can now be confident that the father of these Paces "was not > "John > the Tory" as has been alleged." > > Joe Anderson > > > >> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 > 22:17:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > I just > re-read > Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons> might be a > brother > of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results> would neither > prove > nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is> concerned, this would be > quite possible.> > Roy> > -----Original Message-----> From: > [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf> > Of > Roy Johnson> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM> To: > [email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > The results > on > this kit are interesting and relevant to further> understanding this > group. > With results in for the three sons of the believed> Frederick, we now > have a > perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William> and Spencer, and a > 25/25 > match for two of the four descendents of John. This> would make it > likely > that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of> these sons, and > virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA.> > > > This group > seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any> documentary > records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John> the > Tory" > as has been alleged.> > > > The chart is at > http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm> > > > Roy Johnson> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please > send > an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in> the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found > in > this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: > 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008> 7:56 > PM> > >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please > send > an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > When your life is on the go-take your life with you. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: > 11/1/2008 > 7:56 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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I have no idea where I got Spencer. It is of course Dempsey. I changed that in the chart but forgot I needed to change it in the explanation also. Your analysis is totally correct. Also, have you clicked the link to the documentary evidence and Bob Webb's commentary? Bob seems to think some of the dates are out of whack and that William and John could be brothers to Frederick. Since brothers would have the same DNA as Frederick, DNA could not sort this out. What the DNA does is to give strong evidence that these donors have a common ancestor, and that they absolutely cannot be, as Bruce Howard proposed, descendents of John the Tory. Somewhere on the FTDNA site is a chart showing the percentages of likelihood of common ancestor, showing X percentage of a common ancestor within X generations. They have moved this on the site; I will have to search again to find it. It might be good for you to browse around on the FTDNA site (familytreedna.com) and read the tutorials etc. Rebecca Christensen is the one who knows DNA better than I do. I am mainly a go-between, and I had to learn enough to basically interpret the results and put the donors in the right place on the chart. I haven't had time to study in depth. There is information on what specific alleles show, and I haven't gotten into that at all. I'll make the necessary correction. ; Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lonnie Pace Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 Roy, Well, I might as well "pile on" too. In the black paragraph under the chart, you say "126591 is a descendent of the third brother, Spencer." We can't all be without error. I appreciate the work that you do, and only wish that I had your understanding of the subject. Let's see if I have this straight. I gather from the information that: A: it is believed that there were three brothers, John, William and Dempsey Pace, and B: we have DNA samples from direct line descendants of each of these three brothers, and the commonality of these samples appears to prove that belief, and C: There is no such thing as "Proof Positive", rather only a preponderance of the evidence submitted that strengthens said belief. Thank You, Lonnie Pace -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 Thanks for the heads up. Don't know where Ic ame up with Spencer. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janders 45 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 I see one error in the chart - Spencer should be Dempsey. Yes, Frederick Pace of Wales is alive and well, at least from a family tree/ancestral chart point of view. The DNA results only indicate that it is highly probable that the five individuals tested have a common male ancestor at some point in time, but the DNA results alone can't speak to the exact nature of that relationship. To determine this, we have to rely on other sources and, fortunately, the nature of the relationship of the three Clarke Co Paces, William, John, and Dempsey, is rather well documented. The DNA evidence does not "prove" that these old sources are true, but the evidence is consistent with the old sources, so it does suggest that they are likely to be true. As Roy pointed out, we can now be confident that the father of these Paces "was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged." Joe Anderson > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:17:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > I just re-read Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons> might be a brother of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results> would neither prove nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is> concerned, this would be quite possible.> > Roy> > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf> Of Roy Johnson> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further> understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed> Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William> and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This> would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of> these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA.> > > > This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any> documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John> the Tory" as has been alleged.> > > > The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm> > > > Roy Johnson> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in> the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008> 7:56 PM> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go-take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Muscoe Russell Pace b. 2 Feb 1852 son of George Davis Pace (1811-1865) son of George Saunders Pace (d. in 1837) son of Williamson "William" Pace son of Benjamin Pace (d. 1781) son of Benjamin Pace (b. 1700) son of John (of Middlesex Co, VA) Pace I can't now back this up by sources but this is the informatin I got from someone years back. ricky pace researching family of John (the Tory Pace) and Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] Muscoe Russell Pace b.Feb.1852 on Richmond va census -possible connection William Hamilton Pace on 1900 Montgomery Co. Md. census > Lois, > ???? I hesitate to write this, but do you think that your Muscoe Pace > could be Roscoe?? I believe there was a Roscoe Pace in my Fluvanna Pace > family, but he died young (?).? I, also, have a Russell, my father's > brother, b. late 1800s.? It seems that we just keep having similarities. > > ???? Regards, > ???? Kathy Best > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:39 am > Subject: [PACE] Muscoe Russell Pace b.Feb.1852 on Richmond va > census -possible connection William Hamilton Pace on 1900 Montgomery Co. > Md. census > > > > I Believe Muscoe R.Pace is a son of William Hamilton Pace, who was born in > Va, > but living Montgomery Co. Md in 1900 > Gordon W. Pace says he is a descendent of John Pace of Middlesex > How are they connected to John of Middlesex? > from a posting in 1998 there is a reference to George Davis Pace,son of > George > Sanders Pace > > on 1900 census for Richmond : > Muscoe R.Pace b. Feb. 1852 > Nannie Pace wife b.July 1852 > Nannie Pace dau. b. Feb, 1879 > Muscoe Pace son b. Oct. 1880 > Mason W. Pace son b. Nov.1885- He is on the 1910 census with a > wife,Gertrude E. > and son, Muscoe R.-2 mos. > Virginia E.Pace Dau. b. June 1888 > Olive Pace dau. b. Nov. 1890 > Ann R. Mason-aunt.b Oct. 1826 > > Ann R. Mason,widow of Caleb is listed in Richmond City Directories for > 1889-1890 > boards at 423 Laurel Street. > There must have been another Muscoe R. Pace > He is found on the enlistment records of 1938-1946 for World War 11, > as having enlisted on 14 Dec. 1943 > his birth date is given as 1915 in Virginia > > 1900 census for Montgomery County, Md. > William Hamilton Pace, b. Aug. 1839 Va-age 60 > Aretha J.Pace wife age 53 > Augusta H.Pace age 20 > Anne C.Pace age 19 > William K. Pace age 12 > Emma Childs age 49--sister-in-law > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove > [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in > touch! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Lois, ???? I hesitate to write this, but do you think that your Muscoe Pace could be Roscoe?? I believe there was a Roscoe Pace in my Fluvanna Pace family, but he died young (?).? I, also, have a Russell, my father's brother, b. late 1800s.? It seems that we just keep having similarities. ???? Regards, ???? Kathy Best -----Original Message----- From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:39 am Subject: [PACE] Muscoe Russell Pace b.Feb.1852 on Richmond va census -possible connection William Hamilton Pace on 1900 Montgomery Co. Md. census I Believe Muscoe R.Pace is a son of William Hamilton Pace, who was born in Va, but living Montgomery Co. Md in 1900 Gordon W. Pace says he is a descendent of John Pace of Middlesex How are they connected to John of Middlesex? from a posting in 1998 there is a reference to George Davis Pace,son of George Sanders Pace on 1900 census for Richmond : Muscoe R.Pace b. Feb. 1852 Nannie Pace wife b.July 1852 Nannie Pace dau. b. Feb, 1879 Muscoe Pace son b. Oct. 1880 Mason W. Pace son b. Nov.1885- He is on the 1910 census with a wife,Gertrude E. and son, Muscoe R.-2 mos. Virginia E.Pace Dau. b. June 1888 Olive Pace dau. b. Nov. 1890 Ann R. Mason-aunt.b Oct. 1826 Ann R. Mason,widow of Caleb is listed in Richmond City Directories for 1889-1890 boards at 423 Laurel Street. There must have been another Muscoe R. Pace He is found on the enlistment records of 1938-1946 for World War 11, as having enlisted on 14 Dec. 1943 his birth date is given as 1915 in Virginia 1900 census for Montgomery County, Md. William Hamilton Pace, b. Aug. 1839 Va-age 60 Aretha J.Pace wife age 53 Augusta H.Pace age 20 Anne C.Pace age 19 William K. Pace age 12 Emma Childs age 49--sister-in-law * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I Believe Muscoe R.Pace is a son of William Hamilton Pace, who was born in Va, but living Montgomery Co. Md in 1900 Gordon W. Pace says he is a descendent of John Pace of Middlesex How are they connected to John of Middlesex? from a posting in 1998 there is a reference to George Davis Pace,son of George Sanders Pace on 1900 census for Richmond : Muscoe R.Pace b. Feb. 1852 Nannie Pace wife b.July 1852 Nannie Pace dau. b. Feb, 1879 Muscoe Pace son b. Oct. 1880 Mason W. Pace son b. Nov.1885- He is on the 1910 census with a wife,Gertrude E. and son, Muscoe R.-2 mos. Virginia E.Pace Dau. b. June 1888 Olive Pace dau. b. Nov. 1890 Ann R. Mason-aunt.b Oct. 1826 Ann R. Mason,widow of Caleb is listed in Richmond City Directories for 1889-1890 boards at 423 Laurel Street. There must have been another Muscoe R. Pace He is found on the enlistment records of 1938-1946 for World War 11, as having enlisted on 14 Dec. 1943 his birth date is given as 1915 in Virginia 1900 census for Montgomery County, Md. William Hamilton Pace, b. Aug. 1839 Va-age 60 Aretha J.Pace wife age 53 Augusta H.Pace age 20 Anne C.Pace age 19 William K. Pace age 12 Emma Childs age 49--sister-in-law * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

Roy, Well, I might as well "pile on" too. In the black paragraph under the chart, you say "126591 is a descendent of the third brother, Spencer." We can't all be without error. I appreciate the work that you do, and only wish that I had your understanding of the subject. Let's see if I have this straight. I gather from the information that: A: it is believed that there were three brothers, John, William and Dempsey Pace, and B: we have DNA samples from direct line descendants of each of these three brothers, and the commonality of these samples appears to prove that belief, and C: There is no such thing as "Proof Positive", rather only a preponderance of the evidence submitted that strengthens said belief. Thank You, Lonnie Pace -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 Thanks for the heads up. Don't know where Ic ame up with Spencer. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janders 45 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 I see one error in the chart - Spencer should be Dempsey. Yes, Frederick Pace of Wales is alive and well, at least from a family tree/ancestral chart point of view. The DNA results only indicate that it is highly probable that the five individuals tested have a common male ancestor at some point in time, but the DNA results alone can't speak to the exact nature of that relationship. To determine this, we have to rely on other sources and, fortunately, the nature of the relationship of the three Clarke Co Paces, William, John, and Dempsey, is rather well documented. The DNA evidence does not "prove" that these old sources are true, but the evidence is consistent with the old sources, so it does suggest that they are likely to be true. As Roy pointed out, we can now be confident that the father of these Paces "was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged." Joe Anderson > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:17:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > I just re-read Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons> might be a brother of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results> would neither prove nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is> concerned, this would be quite possible.> > Roy> > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf> Of Roy Johnson> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further> understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed> Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William> and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This> would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of> these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA.> > > > This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any> documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John> the Tory" as has been alleged.> > > > The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm> > > > Roy Johnson> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in> the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008> 7:56 PM> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go-take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the heads up. Don't know where Ic ame up with Spencer. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janders 45 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 I see one error in the chart - Spencer should be Dempsey. Yes, Frederick Pace of Wales is alive and well, at least from a family tree/ancestral chart point of view. The DNA results only indicate that it is highly probable that the five individuals tested have a common male ancestor at some point in time, but the DNA results alone can't speak to the exact nature of that relationship. To determine this, we have to rely on other sources and, fortunately, the nature of the relationship of the three Clarke Co Paces, William, John, and Dempsey, is rather well documented. The DNA evidence does not "prove" that these old sources are true, but the evidence is consistent with the old sources, so it does suggest that they are likely to be true. As Roy pointed out, we can now be confident that the father of these Paces "was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged." Joe Anderson > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:17:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > I just re-read Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons> might be a brother of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results> would neither prove nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is> concerned, this would be quite possible.> > Roy> > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf> Of Roy Johnson> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further> understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed> Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William> and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This> would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of> these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA.> > > > This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any> documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John> the Tory" as has been alleged.> > > > The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm> > > > Roy Johnson> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in> the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008> 7:56 PM> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go-take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM

I see one error in the chart - Spencer should be Dempsey. Yes, Frederick Pace of Wales is alive and well, at least from a family tree/ancestral chart point of view. The DNA results only indicate that it is highly probable that the five individuals tested have a common male ancestor at some point in time, but the DNA results alone can't speak to the exact nature of that relationship. To determine this, we have to rely on other sources and, fortunately, the nature of the relationship of the three Clarke Co Paces, William, John, and Dempsey, is rather well documented. The DNA evidence does not "prove" that these old sources are true, but the evidence is consistent with the old sources, so it does suggest that they are likely to be true. As Roy pointed out, we can now be confident that the father of these Paces "was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged." Joe Anderson > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:17:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > I just re-read Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons> might be a brother of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results> would neither prove nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is> concerned, this would be quite possible.> > Roy> > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf> Of Roy Johnson> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further> understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed> Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William> and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This> would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of> these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA.> > > > This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any> documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John> the Tory" as has been alleged.> > > > The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm> > > > Roy Johnson> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in> the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008> 7:56 PM> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go—take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/

I just re-read Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons might be a brother of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results would neither prove nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is concerned, this would be quite possible. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA. This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged. The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM

The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA. This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged. The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm Roy Johnson

The name Hartwell/Heartwell occurs many times in the names of my Missouri Paces, who are John of Middlesex descendents. Their route to Missouri was Goochland County VA, Pittsylvania County VA, then directly to western Missouri. I have no clue as to where it came from. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lois Long Carey Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Harry Hartwell Pace, dau of Marion Pace Sublett of Charlottesville, Va Obituary of Marian Pace Sublett, age 77 in The Daily Progress of Charlottesville, Va, May 13, 2004 Born on May 9, 1926 in Albemarle County,va. preceded in death by her husband, Charles William Sublett, and her brother, Harry H.Pace Jr. survived by her son, Charles William Sublett, Jr. and his wife, Jayne Johnson her daughter. Susan S. Muse--several grandchildren sister,Mathilda P. Ramey of La Cresenta,Calif, sister-in-law, Julia Pace of Charlottesville,va Graveside service at Monticello Memory Gardens Hill and Wood Funeral Service in charge of Arrangements Anyone connect with these Paces? or know why the name Hartwell was used by her husband and son * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 4:10 PM

Obituary of Marian Pace Sublett, age 77 in The Daily Progress of Charlottesville, Va, May 13, 2004 Born on May 9, 1926 in Albemarle County,va. preceded in death by her husband, Charles William Sublett, and her brother, Harry H.Pace Jr. survived by her son, Charles William Sublett, Jr. and his wife, Jayne Johnson her daughter. Susan S. Muse--several grandchildren sister,Mathilda P. Ramey of La Cresenta,Calif, sister-in-law, Julia Pace of Charlottesville,va Graveside service at Monticello Memory Gardens Hill and Wood Funeral Service in charge of Arrangements Anyone connect with these Paces? or know why the name Hartwell was used by her husband and son * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

Roy Johnson wrote: > I just came across this in my files. Wonder why we haven't come across > descendents of any of these Paces? Or maybe we have in the non-matching > Paces. > Anyone recognize any of them? > http://www.castlegarden.org/help.html >>From ship manifests. Name, occupation, age, sex, date, country of origin, > ship name > > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716437> > Watchmaker 18 M 11 Jul 1857 England Cromwell > > Roy Johnson > ------------------------------- <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716437> Watchmaker 18 M 11 Jul 1857 England Cromwell this was a HENRY PACE - watchmaker - arrived on ship 'Cromwell' 11 Jul 1857 when 18 years of age This age could possibly fit Henry Pace - watchmaker that was connected to my Pace family and had something to do with my Pace family coming from England and settling at Lethbridge, Alberta in the 1880s where Henry Pace operated a jewellery/watchmaker business. If it's the same HENRY PACE that HENRY PACE showed in the 1871 census of OTTAWA, Ontario, Canada 1877, 1878, 1879 OTTAWA Business Directory with Jewellery/watchmaker store 29 Sparks Street, Ottawa after 1880 had moved to St. Paul, Minnesota and record of daughter VIOLET PACE born Canada abt 1880 My father was named after HENRY and my aunt named after VIOLET. This Violet Pace had married ALFRED KITSON, younger son of Norman Wolfred Kitson, Mayor of St. Paul, partner in American Fur Co. and partner of James Jerome Hill of Great Northern Railway which developed from St. Paul and Manitoba Railway. The Minnesota county east of Red River, adjacent to international boundary was named Kitson County. Kitson and Hill operated steam boats on the Red River Norman Kitson, originally of Sorel Quebec, had another son, Dr. John Kitson of the North West Mounted Police. Henry Pace's brother Frederick Pace was also an original member of the NWMP This Henry Pace operated a watchmaker business in Lethbridge, Alberta next to the Lethbridge House and died in 1899 his body shipped by train to St. Paul, Minnesota for burial by his daughter, Mrs. Kitson. Henry Pace had two brothers, Sidney and Frederick Pace. Sidney Pace 1891 census bartender at Russell House, Lethbridge, Alberta. 1901 census living at Grande Hotel, Great Falls, Montana. Frederick Pace had joined the North West Mounted Police at Toronto, Ontario about 1873 and took part in the famous 'March West to Macleod' of 1874. From Winnipeg, Manitoba to Fort Macleod, Alberta. Frederick operated a trading post at Standoff, Alberta and had children, Annie, Fanny, Johnny. Fred Pace had married a woman from the Blood Reserve. The Blood Reserve is where Sitting Bull stayed while in Canada in the 1880s and also where Charles Russell of St. Louis spent time to gather knowledge of frontier life and created his famous paintings and his Museum at Great Falls, Montana. More at: http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/fredpace.htm a partner of the Lethbridge House had sponsored another painter who was employed as a machinist with the Great Northern Railway, to also paint western frontier life paintings. These paintings hang in the Charles Russell Museum of Great Falls, MT. Info from Charles Russell Museum, Great Falls Oklahoma History Centre National Archives of Canada Pace Family Collection GTPace

I always wonder how many PACE's must be out there whose line are unaccounted for here. Just the 1930 Census shows over 16,000 PACE's....I bet there are a LOT of lines in there that we haven't tapped into. Scott --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACE] Pace immgrantsd 19th century and later > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:22 PM > I just came across this in my files. Wonder why we > haven't come across > descendents of any of these Paces? Or maybe we have in the > non-matching > Paces. > > > > Anyone recognize any of them? > > > > http://www.castlegarden.org/help.html > > > > >From ship manifests. Name, occupation, age, sex, date, > country of origin, > ship name > > > > A. Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716428> > Carpenter 20 M 22 Feb 1853 Ireland Constantine Alice M Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716429> > Wife 22 > F 12 Apr 1881 England Devon Blanche Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716430> > Infant 1 > F 12 Apr 1881 England Devon Catherine Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716431> > Wife 23 > F 15 Apr 1872 England Calabria Christopher Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716432> > Infant > 10 m M 15 Apr 1872 England Calabria Edwin E. Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716433> > Hotel > Keeper 29 M 23 Nov 1885 England Oregon Eliza Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716434> > Laborer > 30 F 8 Jul 1851 Ireland Columbia Frank Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716435> > Child, > Youngster 2 M 15 Apr 1872 England Calabria Henry Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716436> > Child, > Youngster 13 M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan Henry Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716437> > Watchmaker 18 M 11 Jul 1857 England Cromwell > > > > James Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716438> > Farmer > 17 M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan James Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716439> > Laborer > 54 M 19 Aug 1872 England City Of Montreal Maria Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716440> > Widow / > Widower, Grass Widow 55 F 23 Jul 1852 England Richard Morse > Mary Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716441> > Spinster > 35 F 23 Jul 1852 England Richard Morse Mary Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716442> > Infant 9 > m M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan Mr. E.l. Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716443> > Gentleman U M 12 Jun 1881 England Spain Mr. R.c. Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716444> > Gentleman 29 M 21 Oct 1878 England City Of Berlin Mrs. Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716445> > Wife 32 > F 12 Oct 1868 USA City Of London Mrs. M. Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716446> > Lady 25 > F 2 May 1884 USA City Of Richmond Patrick Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716447> > Laborer > 24 M 16 Jun 1865 Ireland Aurora > > > > Robert Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716448> > Child, > Youngster 11 M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan Samuel Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716449> > Child, > Youngster 2 M 12 Apr 1881 England Devon Samuel Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716450> > Collier > 24 M 12 Apr 1881 England Devon Sidney Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716451> > Laborer > 20 M 17 Apr 1871 England City Of Brussels Thomas Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716452> > Farmer > 40 M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan William Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716453> > Miner 15 > M 15 Apr 1872 England Calabria William Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716454> > Laborer > 21 M 4 Sep 1882 England City Of Rome William Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716455> > Farmer > 23 M 21 May 1834 England Georg Klinton William Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716456> > Unknown > 28 M 26 Mar 1867 England City Of Limerick William Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716457> > Farmer > 41 M 19 Mar 1858 USA Empire > > > > George Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=6533219> > Laborer > 21 M 26 Sep 1870 England Nevada R. Pace > <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=9000859> > Servant, > Gentleman's Servant 24 F 30 Jul 1892 Switzerland La > Touraine > > > > > > > > Roy Johnson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Whoops! My file does not have all of those links showing. I didn't realize the program would somehow put them in. But maybe you can read it. Roy

I just came across this in my files. Wonder why we haven't come across descendents of any of these Paces? Or maybe we have in the non-matching Paces. Anyone recognize any of them? http://www.castlegarden.org/help.html >From ship manifests. Name, occupation, age, sex, date, country of origin, ship name A. Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716428> Carpenter 20 M 22 Feb 1853 Ireland Constantine Alice M Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716429> Wife 22 F 12 Apr 1881 England Devon Blanche Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716430> Infant 1 F 12 Apr 1881 England Devon Catherine Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716431> Wife 23 F 15 Apr 1872 England Calabria Christopher Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716432> Infant 10 m M 15 Apr 1872 England Calabria Edwin E. Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716433> Hotel Keeper 29 M 23 Nov 1885 England Oregon Eliza Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716434> Laborer 30 F 8 Jul 1851 Ireland Columbia Frank Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716435> Child, Youngster 2 M 15 Apr 1872 England Calabria Henry Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716436> Child, Youngster 13 M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan Henry Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716437> Watchmaker 18 M 11 Jul 1857 England Cromwell James Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716438> Farmer 17 M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan James Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716439> Laborer 54 M 19 Aug 1872 England City Of Montreal Maria Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716440> Widow / Widower, Grass Widow 55 F 23 Jul 1852 England Richard Morse Mary Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716441> Spinster 35 F 23 Jul 1852 England Richard Morse Mary Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716442> Infant 9 m M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan Mr. E.l. Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716443> Gentleman U M 12 Jun 1881 England Spain Mr. R.c. Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716444> Gentleman 29 M 21 Oct 1878 England City Of Berlin Mrs. Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716445> Wife 32 F 12 Oct 1868 USA City Of London Mrs. M. Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716446> Lady 25 F 2 May 1884 USA City Of Richmond Patrick Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716447> Laborer 24 M 16 Jun 1865 Ireland Aurora Robert Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716448> Child, Youngster 11 M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan Samuel Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716449> Child, Youngster 2 M 12 Apr 1881 England Devon Samuel Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716450> Collier 24 M 12 Apr 1881 England Devon Sidney Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716451> Laborer 20 M 17 Apr 1871 England City Of Brussels Thomas Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716452> Farmer 40 M 8 May 1855 England Manhattan William Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716453> Miner 15 M 15 Apr 1872 England Calabria William Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716454> Laborer 21 M 4 Sep 1882 England City Of Rome William Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716455> Farmer 23 M 21 May 1834 England Georg Klinton William Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716456> Unknown 28 M 26 Mar 1867 England City Of Limerick William Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=5716457> Farmer 41 M 19 Mar 1858 USA Empire George Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=6533219> Laborer 21 M 26 Sep 1870 England Nevada R. Pace <http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=9000859> Servant, Gentleman's Servant 24 F 30 Jul 1892 Switzerland La Touraine Roy Johnson

I believe all of the Pittsylvania Paces were John of M. My ancestor Francis Pace moved from Goochland to Pittsylvania between 1798 and 1800 based on birthplace of his children in the census records, apparently joining Paces already there. I do not have any of the Paces that you mention in my database. He had a brother William Pace. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Pace Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Pittsylvania Co Paces On the 1790 census for Pittsylvania Co VA there are 3 Paces on page 100, Spencer, William & Williamson. I assume these are all related and are of the John of Middlesex line. On page 40 there is another William. Has anyone identified this William to be of the John of Middlesex line? Thanks, John Pace ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1754 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 7:45 AM

On the 1790 census for Pittsylvania Co VA there are 3 Paces on page 100, Spencer, William & Williamson. I assume these are all related and are of the John of Middlesex line. On page 40 there is another William. Has anyone identified this William to be of the John of Middlesex line? Thanks, John Pace

The last funding request that I submitted was quickly filled and we have $89 toward the next, which is good, because I have another candidate with this lineage: William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 d. 7/27/66 Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada d. 3/6/1885 Canada Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 d. James Pace b. ca 1724 d. ca 1784 Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 d. ca 1775 Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 d. ca 1738 Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 d. 11/17/1677 George Pace b. ca 1609 d. ca 1655 Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 d. ca 1627 We need at least $128 for a 25 marker, which is the lowest that I recommend for meaningful results. Anyone interested? Roy Johnson

Kathlynn, We no longer need your money for the donor that I cited but we have another. Would you be willing to contribute to the following line? William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 d. 7/27/66 Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada d. 3/6/1885 Canada Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 d. James Pace b. ca 1724 d. ca 1784 Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 d. ca 1775 Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 d. ca 1738 Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 d. 11/17/1677 George Pace b. ca 1609 d. ca 1655 Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 d. ca 1627 To pay, you go to this link: http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html It can be a little confusing. You can print a form and pay by check (takes longer) or you can go to the bottom of the page and find the following: Don't have a PayPal account? Use your credit card or bank account (where available). Continue VisaMastercardAmerican ExpressDiscovereCheckPayPal You click "continue" and fill out the form with your credit card number. Just designate the Pace surname study. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Funding needed Roy I will contribute $30.00....tell me where to send check, ~Kathlynn~ In a message dated 10/26/2008 9:37:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I need funding for a person of the following lineage: **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM