I think that the chart to which Roy was referring is located at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAillustration.htm . -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA testing and Native American ancestry Betty, I'm sure Rebecca will give you an excellent answer as she understands DNA better than I do, but let me jump in and maybe I can help. Genealogical studies use only the Y chromosome. Females do not have a Y chromosome because that's what makes a fetus a male. So there could never be any crossover from the female side. That's why it works to test a lineage. If any female DNA was included, it would be impossible to tell where the DNa came from. You get your overall DNA from all kinds of ancestors; there is no way to sort it out except to use two factors that usually pass in "pure" form down a line. One is the surname, which usually goes male to male, and the other is the Y chromosome, which ALWAYS goes only male to male in pure form without any female elements. By matching these two, a male can get clues to his lineage. There is also a form of testing, called mtdna, which tests the female line, but again, this goes in pure form female to female to female, etc., so this wouldn't help you either, as your Indian ancestry apparently goes female to male to whatever. There is a chart online which explains this and shows that on a genealogical chart, only the "outside" lines can be tested. Try it at file:///C://public/DNA/DNAillustration.htm It shows how Y chromosome DNA and mtdna are the only types of DNA that do not combine and recombine to make it impossible to tell where it came from. These two types pass on in "pure" form. So there are a lot of your ancestors whose DNA you can never track specifically. Since females change names (usually) every generation mtdna is not usually useful in tracing a surname. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty A Pace Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA testing and Native American ancestry Rebecca, Let me see if I have this straight. Are you saying that if the Native American ancestry is in the female line, that there will be no signs of it in the Pace DNA test? My Alsey Pace (s/oStephen Pace, s/o John the Tory) had a Native American mother. My brother David took the short DNA test (#19490) and we fit into the Richard & Isabel Pace line. My brother did have one marker that was not typical -- could that reflect our Native American gggggrandmother? Betty Pace On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:41:01 -0800 (PST) Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> writes: > The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to > determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the > same path on the pedigree chart as the surname. So, if a Pace had > Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, > etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, > then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would > indicate Native American ancestry. But the Y-chromosome testing > that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on > your pedigree. > > Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your > mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom > branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial > DNA testing (mtDNA). But it wouldn't tell you about any Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines. > > To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in > the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants > among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for > the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for > the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly > paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly > female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American > ancestry. It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal > DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native > American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past > few generations. > > So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has > "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace > surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not > Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the > Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry. He > would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his > male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname > line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line > back to a Cherokee ancestress. Then the cousin could be tested for > Native American ancestry. > > Rebecca Christensen > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > wrote: > From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:40 PM > > Lois: > In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, > about 3% or > more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test > match most of > the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I > know that > there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are > either > distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far > as I know, > are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. > Gordon W. Pace > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Bills adding up? 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Betty, I'm sure Rebecca will give you an excellent answer as she understands DNA better than I do, but let me jump in and maybe I can help. Genealogical studies use only the Y chromosome. Females do not have a Y chromosome because that's what makes a fetus a male. So there could never be any crossover from the female side. That's why it works to test a lineage. If any female DNA was included, it would be impossible to tell where the DNa came from. You get your overall DNA from all kinds of ancestors; there is no way to sort it out except to use two factors that usually pass in "pure" form down a line. One is the surname, which usually goes male to male, and the other is the Y chromosome, which ALWAYS goes only male to male in pure form without any female elements. By matching these two, a male can get clues to his lineage. There is also a form of testing, called mtdna, which tests the female line, but again, this goes in pure form female to female to female, etc., so this wouldn't help you either, as your Indian ancestry apparently goes female to male to whatever. There is a chart online which explains this and shows that on a genealogical chart, only the "outside" lines can be tested. Try it at file:///C://public/DNA/DNAillustration.htm It shows how Y chromosome DNA and mtdna are the only types of DNA that do not combine and recombine to make it impossible to tell where it came from. These two types pass on in "pure" form. So there are a lot of your ancestors whose DNA you can never track specifically. Since females change names (usually) every generation mtdna is not usually useful in tracing a surname. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty A Pace Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA testing and Native American ancestry Rebecca, Let me see if I have this straight. Are you saying that if the Native American ancestry is in the female line, that there will be no signs of it in the Pace DNA test? My Alsey Pace (s/oStephen Pace, s/o John the Tory) had a Native American mother. My brother David took the short DNA test (#19490) and we fit into the Richard & Isabel Pace line. My brother did have one marker that was not typical -- could that reflect our Native American gggggrandmother? Betty Pace On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:41:01 -0800 (PST) Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> writes: > The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to > determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the > same path on the pedigree chart as the surname. So, if a Pace had > Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, > etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, > then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would > indicate Native American ancestry. But the Y-chromosome testing > that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on > your pedigree. > > Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your > mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom > branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial > DNA testing (mtDNA). But it wouldn't tell you about any Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines. > > To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in > the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants > among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for > the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for > the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly > paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly > female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American > ancestry. It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal > DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native > American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past > few generations. > > So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has > "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace > surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not > Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the > Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry. He > would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his > male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname > line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line > back to a Cherokee ancestress. Then the cousin could be tested for > Native American ancestry. > > Rebecca Christensen > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > wrote: > From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:40 PM > > Lois: > In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, > about 3% or > more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test > match most of > the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I > know that > there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are > either > distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far > as I know, > are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. > Gordon W. Pace > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Bills adding up? 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Rebecca, Let me see if I have this straight. Are you saying that if the Native American ancestry is in the female line, that there will be no signs of it in the Pace DNA test? My Alsey Pace (s/oStephen Pace, s/o John the Tory) had a Native American mother. My brother David took the short DNA test (#19490) and we fit into the Richard & Isabel Pace line. My brother did have one marker that was not typical -- could that reflect our Native American gggggrandmother? Betty Pace On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:41:01 -0800 (PST) Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> writes: > The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to > determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the > same path on the pedigree chart as the surname. So, if a Pace had > Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, > etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, > then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would > indicate Native American ancestry. But the Y-chromosome testing > that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on > your pedigree. > > Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your > mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom > branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial > DNA testing (mtDNA). But it wouldn't tell you about any Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines. > > To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in > the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants > among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for > the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for > the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly > paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly > female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American > ancestry. It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal > DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native > American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past > few generations. > > So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has > "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace > surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not > Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the > Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry. He > would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his > male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname > line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line > back to a Cherokee ancestress. Then the cousin could be tested for > Native American ancestry. > > Rebecca Christensen > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > wrote: > From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:40 PM > > Lois: > In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, > about 3% or > more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test > match most of > the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I > know that > there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are > either > distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far > as I know, > are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. > Gordon W. Pace > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Bills adding up? Click here for free information on payday loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3aOs0ZXrAygV3SsqrmsfrML1Sw2qZ0xJfYZEprZWo1itmQ/

Betty,    If there is Native American ancestry in a female line, it will not show up in the DNA test for the Pace surname (male) line DNA test.  That test (the Y-DNA test) only tests the DNA of the male line that passes down the surname from generation to generation- the very top line on your pedigree chart, father to son.   It will show **absolutely nothing** about the DNA on any of the other lines on your pedigree chart.   No, the marker result difference in the DNA test with Pace Group 3 results has absolutely nothing to do with Native American ancestry.   The marker result difference is just a very small copying change that has happened in the DNA through the generations - it just happens.   The small DNA marker changes are what allows us to sometimes separate different branches of the same family - such as the Group 3a and Group 3b split, for example.   If you wanted to test for Alsey Pace's mother's Native American DNA you would have to test a descendant of Alsey's SISTER (a female) who shared his same mother assuming he had one, and then follow the line of descendants through females down to today - or if his mother had known sisters, you could test a descendant of his mother's sister through the strictly female line down to today.  This would be a mtDNA test not the Y-chromosome test that is used in the Pace surname project.   In general, while this is more difficult to find the right participant for the mtDNA testing of a particular female line, it has been done in many instances.  It is also possible sometimes to find the results of female lines that have been tested by the Sorensen Molecular Genealogical Foundation (www.smgf.org) without having to find a participant yourself.  I have found the mtDNA results for several of my female lines in their online public database, without having to try to find an appropriate participant.    Rebecca Christensen --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA testing and Native American ancestry To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 8:45 AM Rebecca,   Let me see if I have this straight. Are you saying that if the Native American ancestry is in the female line, that there will be no signs of it in the Pace DNA test?   My Alsey Pace (s/oStephen Pace, s/o John the Tory) had a Native American mother.  My brother David took the short DNA test (#19490) and we fit into the Richard & Isabel Pace line.  My brother did have one marker that was not typical -- could that reflect our Native American gggggrandmother?   Betty Pace   On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:41:01 -0800 (PST) Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> writes: > The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to > determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the > same path on the pedigree chart as the surname.   So, if a Pace had > Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, > etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, > then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would > indicate Native American ancestry.   But the Y-chromosome testing > that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on > your pedigree. > > Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your > mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom > branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial > DNA testing (mtDNA).  But it wouldn't tell you about any Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines. > > To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in > the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants > among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for > the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for > the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly > paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly > female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American > ancestry.       It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal > DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native > American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past > few generations. > > So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has > "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace > surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not > Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the > Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry.   He > would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his > male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname > line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line > back to a Cherokee ancestress.  Then the cousin could be tested for > Native American ancestry. > > Rebecca Christensen

Lois: In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, about 3% or more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test match most of the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I know that there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are either distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far as I know, are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Oct 27, 2008 12:58 AM >To: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]>, [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > >Lois Long Carey wrote: > >> Are there any Paces in the >> Society with Cherokee ancestry who have done the DNA test? Is there DNA >> different from others? >> Anyone with Pace ancestry should be welcomed to the Society .They may >> possibly solve many questions. >> If my Canadian friend is a subscriber to this list. I would love to hear >> from her and whether she ever did get a relative >> to do the test. Do you know,Gordon in Canada? She brought pictures of her >> relatives in the USA who were black, >> but she looks as white as anyone I know. > >Yes, I subscribed her onto the Pace list myself. She has recognised many >of the Pace family names from your ancestry and connected them with an >ancestral chart from her family. More work needs to be done on this. > >This is an interesting case but it seems to involve some kind of >political cover-up from the Jefferson era. > >I was expecting to see someone of colour when I went to visit Barb Danby >at Waterloo, Ontario. I read with her the book about Thomas Jefferson >from the Waterloo Library. > >It mentioned HENRY PACE editor of the National or US Gazette had >disclosed information, I think about JEFFERSON. HENRY PACE was beaten or >roughed up for doing so. Afterwards, MERIWETHER LEWIS was killed, >Shortly after being appointed Governor of the Louisiana Territory. >(Murdered or suicide) Was Lewis' death to do with being appointed >governor of the Louisiana Territory or something else. He was called >back from St. Louis to take this posting, if I remember correctly. > >The episode of HENRY PACE seemed to possibly have a connection to the >LEWIS death. Does anyone know more about HENRY PACE, his ancestry? > >These facts likely have a connection to Barb Danby's ancestry and why >she can't put a handle on some of it. > >There are historical situations that are difficult to explain, >especially when political skullduggery seems to be involved and I've >read enough essays that indicate. > >Barb Danby has intense JOHNSON connections and was in close contact with >a JOHNSON researcher in New England. JOHNSON is intricately involved >with PACE ancestry, as we know, in those VA counties of your ancestry. > >In Ontario we had the terminus of the Underground Railway and it >continued on to Montreal. Many coloured folk came here to Ontario and >American bounty hunters came up to kill them if they couldn't take them >back to the US. Some American bounty hunters, much hated in Ontario, >were killed themselves. > >The Americans were much hated in colonial Upper Canada (Ontario) and the >blacks of emancipation were very much welcomed. Then the American Irish >or Fenian Raids of 1837 were beaten back. This is why many of Scott >Aaron's United Empire Loyalist Paces left Ontario and returned to the >US. Much hard feeling still exists today here in Ontario. In Ontario we >have some interesting Colonial Heritage TV programmes that go deeply >into this so we don't forget easily. I've recorded many. This is where >American History differs depending on what side of the border it's >taught. Anyway, so much for that, but I believe some of this had an >effect on Barb Danby's ancestry and why William Chastain Captain went to >Canada between 1837-1842 and was sent some kind of pension to keep the >family members in Canada so they might not be killed as so many fleeing >folk were, before or after they made it to Canada. > >Could it be Barb Danby's ancestor connected to Monticello was from >Cherokee background instead of black. As you say, Lois, some Cherokee >were considered black, probably for the land grab in Tennessee. These >people would look white so they had to be made to look otherwise, >politically. > >Consider Will Rogers from Claremore, Oklahoma wasn't he Cherokee. I >visited the museum with Ivan Pace in July. He had a way of talking about >politics. Truly a great man and respected everywhere. He also looked as >white as anyone. Maybe Barb Danby's people were Cherokee and some were >black and the Cherokee were considered black and made to look that way >for the land grab in Tennessee and then the Trail of Tears. > >There is much on the Creek-southeast Rootsweb list. Some of my ARCH >family went there from England in colonial days. Also came across some >PACES on that list. GTP > >>>From some notes from her. >> William Chastain Captain went to Canada between 1837-1842 >> With him was a Lucy Ann White b, June 16, 1827 in Charlottesville or >> Staunton,Va >>>From more notes from her there seems to be a connection to William Moment >> Pace b. 1806 and Dicy King >> The approx. location of the land that the Captain Children inherited is 130 >> acres at Cuffey's Creek >> In her notes are also the following Virginia family names, >> Meriwether >> Anderson >> Lewis >> Henry Pace(editor of the" Gazette of the United States"- broke the news on >> Oct. 13, 1802 that >> Thomas Jefferson had fathered a child by a slave( Slly Hemmings) >> Henry Pace's partner was found floating in the river after the story broke. > >Also wasn't Meriwether Lewis found floating in a river, thought to have >been murdered or suicide? 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The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the same path on the pedigree chart as the surname.   So, if a Pace had Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would indicate Native American ancestry.   But the Y-chromosome testing that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on your pedigree. Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial DNA testing (mtDNA).  But it wouldn't tell you about any Native American ancestry on any of your other lines. To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American ancestry.       It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past few generations. So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry.   He would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line back to a Cherokee ancestress.  Then the cousin could be tested for Native American ancestry. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:40 PM Lois: In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, about 3% or more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test match most of the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I know that there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are either distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far as I know, are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. Gordon W. Pace

I am so sorry to hear that.  May God be with you Charlotte and with all of the family. --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Charlotte Hazel <[email protected]> wrote: From: Charlotte Hazel <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Death of Larry Hazel To: "Barbara Schenck" <[email protected]>, "Bill and Claire Anderson" <[email protected]>, "Carolyn Speegle Couch" <[email protected]>, "Forest CROWLEY" <[email protected]>, "frances marshall" <[email protected]>, "Gaye Willbanks" <[email protected]>, "George Sisson" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Patricia Rhodes Pate" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:08 PM It is with a very heavy heart that I am sending to all of you a very sad message. Larry Hazel husband of Charlotte Hazel passed away on Saturday Nov 1 at 4:00 PM after a long struggle with lung cancer. He will be laid to rest Tuesday Nov 4 at 2:00 PM in Gardendale, AL. Charlotte Hazel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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He apparently has her marriage record and some census records, as he said she was listed at different times as "mulatto" and "fPC" (Free Person of Color) I will ask him. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty A Pace Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces Roy, Has the young man done any sort of research on Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor. I would think there might be some sort of marriage record in Nash Co., NC. It might give a bondsman, who is generally a relative of the bride. Betty Pace On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:26:24 -0600 "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> writes: > I had an email request to post the rest of the pictures of the > tri-racial > family that included a Pace. Most of the pictures I received are not > of the > Pace line of descent but they show the fascinating variety of > complexions in > this tri-racial family. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/Pace-Taylo r/ > > > > It would be great if some of the genealogical experts in the family > could > help trace Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor, who married Dempsey Taylor in > Nash > County, North Carolina, in 1843. > > > > Roy Johnson > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXR37tfj3MnRmHF3CPYeKlA hlxw6hT9qaWJcN0WP8ArqA/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM

Yes, the Melungeons were a mixture, but these people do not seem to have any connection with the Melungeons, although they sound very similar. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces -----Original Message----- From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces Kathy, Weren't the Melungeons a mixture themselves, rather than a distinct group? I have read some material but have forgotten a lot of it. Betty Pace On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:36:22 -0500 [email protected] writes: > > This is so very interesting.? It appears to duplicate much of the > info we have on the Melungeons.? It would appear that, if they were > Melungeons, they would not go back to that mysterious beginning but > would have simply come down from VA.? Another explanation would be > that they came down and mixed with the Melungeons, who were already > there, in TN, NC, etc. > Kathy Best > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:26 pm > Subject: [PACE] tri-racial Paces > > > > > > > > > > > I had an email request to post the rest of the pictures of the > tri-racial > family that included a Pace. Most of the pictures I received are not > of the > Pace line of descent but they show the fascinating variety of > complexions in > this tri-racial family. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/Pace-Taylo r/ > > > > It would be great if some of the genealogical experts in the family > could > help trace Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor, who married Dempsey Taylor in > Nash > County, North Carolina, in 1843. > > > > Roy Johnson > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Can't pay your bills? Click here to learn about filing for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nfvZkta3btBn6WiV1ul6aNhgQ LDYZZ4oic8gQwacp6MJtxu/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Betty, The Melungeons said they were Portugeese, but I've heard that DNA testing shows that they do come from that part of the world but also a wide area around Portugal. You'll probably recall that stories speculate that they were first on an island off the US coast, or that they came by way of South America, etc. Sorry, this message is going on my screen crosswise instead of up and down. Do we know where these Paces originated before they were here? Kathy Pace Best ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 5:36 PM

-----Original Message----- From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [PACE] tri-racial Paces Kathy, Weren't the Melungeons a mixture themselves, rather than a distinct group? I have read some material but have forgotten a lot of it. Betty Pace On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:36:22 -0500 [email protected] writes: > > This is so very interesting.? It appears to duplicate much of the > info we have on the Melungeons.? It would appear that, if they were > Melungeons, they would not go back to that mysterious beginning but > would have simply come down from VA.? Another explanation would be > that they came down and mixed with the Melungeons, who were already > there, in TN, NC, etc. > Kathy Best > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:26 pm > Subject: [PACE] tri-racial Paces > > > > > > > > > > > I had an email request to post the rest of the pictures of the > tri-racial > family that included a Pace. Most of the pictures I received are not > of the > Pace line of descent but they show the fascinating variety of > complexions in > this tri-racial family. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/Pace-Taylo r/ > > > > It would be great if some of the genealogical experts in the family > could > help trace Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor, who married Dempsey Taylor in > Nash > County, North Carolina, in 1843. > > > > Roy Johnson > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Can't pay your bills? Click here to learn about filing for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nfvZkta3btBn6WiV1ul6aNhgQLDYZZ4oic8gQwacp6MJtxu/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Betty, The Melungeons said they were Portugeese, but I've heard that DNA testing shows that they do come from that part of the world but also a wide area around Portugal. You'll probably recall that stories speculate that they were first on an island off the US coast, or that they came by way of South America, etc. Sorry, this message is going on my screen crosswise instead of up and down. Do we know where these Paces originated before they were here? Kathy Pace Best

Kathy, Weren't the Melungeons a mixture themselves, rather than a distinct group? I have read some material but have forgotten a lot of it. Betty Pace On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:36:22 -0500 [email protected] writes: > > This is so very interesting.? It appears to duplicate much of the > info we have on the Melungeons.? It would appear that, if they were > Melungeons, they would not go back to that mysterious beginning but > would have simply come down from VA.? Another explanation would be > that they came down and mixed with the Melungeons, who were already > there, in TN, NC, etc. > Kathy Best > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:26 pm > Subject: [PACE] tri-racial Paces > > > > > > > > > > > I had an email request to post the rest of the pictures of the > tri-racial > family that included a Pace. Most of the pictures I received are not > of the > Pace line of descent but they show the fascinating variety of > complexions in > this tri-racial family. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/Pace-Taylo r/ > > > > It would be great if some of the genealogical experts in the family > could > help trace Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor, who married Dempsey Taylor in > Nash > County, North Carolina, in 1843. > > > > Roy Johnson > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Can't pay your bills? Click here to learn about filing for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nfvZkta3btBn6WiV1ul6aNhgQLDYZZ4oic8gQwacp6MJtxu/

Roy, Has the young man done any sort of research on Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor. I would think there might be some sort of marriage record in Nash Co., NC. It might give a bondsman, who is generally a relative of the bride. Betty Pace On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:26:24 -0600 "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> writes: > I had an email request to post the rest of the pictures of the > tri-racial > family that included a Pace. Most of the pictures I received are not > of the > Pace line of descent but they show the fascinating variety of > complexions in > this tri-racial family. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/Pace-Taylo r/ > > > > It would be great if some of the genealogical experts in the family > could > help trace Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor, who married Dempsey Taylor in > Nash > County, North Carolina, in 1843. > > > > Roy Johnson > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXR37tfj3MnRmHF3CPYeKlAhlxw6hT9qaWJcN0WP8ArqA/

This is so very interesting.? It appears to duplicate much of the info we have on the Melungeons.? It would appear that, if they were Melungeons, they would not go back to that mysterious beginning but would have simply come down from VA.? Another explanation would be that they came down and mixed with the Melungeons, who were already there, in TN, NC, etc. Kathy Best -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:26 pm Subject: [PACE] tri-racial Paces I had an email request to post the rest of the pictures of the tri-racial family that included a Pace. Most of the pictures I received are not of the Pace line of descent but they show the fascinating variety of complexions in this tri-racial family. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/Pace-Taylor/ It would be great if some of the genealogical experts in the family could help trace Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor, who married Dempsey Taylor in Nash County, North Carolina, in 1843. Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had an email request to post the rest of the pictures of the tri-racial family that included a Pace. Most of the pictures I received are not of the Pace line of descent but they show the fascinating variety of complexions in this tri-racial family. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/Pace-Taylor/ It would be great if some of the genealogical experts in the family could help trace Eliza Louisa Pace Taylor, who married Dempsey Taylor in Nash County, North Carolina, in 1843. Roy Johnson

John of Middlesex Pace Line twice over (Leta Pace is also a John of M. decendent) Doris Lynette Pace (1927-2008) m. Thomas Oscar Butler Henry Schooling PACE (1883 - ?) m. Leta PACE Henry Slaughter PACE (1838-1902) m. Mary Lou BARTON (1845 - ?) Thomas Nunn PACE (1801-1893) m. Docia WILLIAMS (1803-?) William Ingram Pace (1773-1843) m. Sarah Nunn (1779-1859) John Pace Capt. (1751-1822) m. Elizabeth Nunn William Pace Sr. (1724- abt 1799) m. Susanna (or Luranna) West John Pace II m Elizabeth (Montague?) John (of Middlesex Co, Va.) Pace m. Elizabeth (Newsome?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: [PACE] Pace obit from the Florence, AL area >I know nothing more of this person but post it for those who might know >her. > > Sarah > > > > Butler, Doris L.* > > View/Sign Guest Book > > Doris Lynette Pace Butler, 81, passed away Sunday, Nov. 2, 2008, at her > home > in Bailey Springs. She was preceded in death by Thomas Oscar Butler, her > husband of 50 years; her mother, Leta B. Pace; and her father, Henry > Schooling Pace. She was also preceded in death by her sisters, Margo and > Dorothy, as well as brothers, Larry and Bill. > > > > She is survived by her daughter, Rebecca Butler Chickey; son-in-law, R. > Joseph Chickey; grandsons, Thomas F. Chickey and Patrick J. Chickey, of > Nashville, Tenn.; sister, Betty Pace Worrell, of Naples, Fla.; and > brother, > Robert Pace, of Bowling Green, Ky. > > > > She was a longtime member of First United Methodist Church, of Florence, > and > was a co-founder of the church's day school in the late 1960s that > continues > to this day. She was an active member of the world. Thankful for every > bluebird, wildflower and sunset she experienced. Doris loved people from > all > walks of life and seemingly never met a stranger. She died as she lived, > loving nature and rejoicing in the day that the Lord hath made. > > > > Visitation will be in the atrium of First United Methodist Church, of > Florence, on Thursday, Nov. 6, from 9:30-11 am. The service will follow at > 11 a.m. in the sanctuary, with the Rev. Gary Formby officiating. > > > > In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to First United Methodist Church > Day School Program. > > > > Arrangements by Greenview Funeral Home. > > Published in the Florence Times Daily on 11/4/2008 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I know nothing more of this person but post it for those who might know her. Sarah Butler, Doris L.* View/Sign Guest Book Doris Lynette Pace Butler, 81, passed away Sunday, Nov. 2, 2008, at her home in Bailey Springs. She was preceded in death by Thomas Oscar Butler, her husband of 50 years; her mother, Leta B. Pace; and her father, Henry Schooling Pace. She was also preceded in death by her sisters, Margo and Dorothy, as well as brothers, Larry and Bill. She is survived by her daughter, Rebecca Butler Chickey; son-in-law, R. Joseph Chickey; grandsons, Thomas F. Chickey and Patrick J. Chickey, of Nashville, Tenn.; sister, Betty Pace Worrell, of Naples, Fla.; and brother, Robert Pace, of Bowling Green, Ky. She was a longtime member of First United Methodist Church, of Florence, and was a co-founder of the church's day school in the late 1960s that continues to this day. She was an active member of the world. Thankful for every bluebird, wildflower and sunset she experienced. Doris loved people from all walks of life and seemingly never met a stranger. She died as she lived, loving nature and rejoicing in the day that the Lord hath made. Visitation will be in the atrium of First United Methodist Church, of Florence, on Thursday, Nov. 6, from 9:30-11 am. The service will follow at 11 a.m. in the sanctuary, with the Rev. Gary Formby officiating. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to First United Methodist Church Day School Program. Arrangements by Greenview Funeral Home. Published in the Florence Times Daily on 11/4/2008

It is with a very heavy heart that I am sending to all of you a very sad message. Larry Hazel husband of Charlotte Hazel passed away on Saturday Nov 1 at 4:00 PM after a long struggle with lung cancer. He will be laid to rest Tuesday Nov 4 at 2:00 PM in Gardendale, AL. Charlotte Hazel

Found her in my search for Muscoe Pace. Believe her husband may have been named Miller Johnston never heard of these people in Va before- just another of my Virginia puzzles 1920 U.S. Census M F Johnston head b. abt. 1857 VA Halcyone Johnston wife b. abt. 1870 Va Howard E.Topping son-in-law b.abt.1892 Va Sibyl J. Topping dau. b. abt.1896 Va 1880 Census- North River, Augusta ,Va Theodore A. Pace head b. abtr. 1845 va Ella R. Pace wife b. abt. 1846 va Halcyone Pace dau b. abt. 1869 va George Pace dau??? b. abt. 1872 va Watts Pace son b. abt. 1872 va Charles M. Pace son b. abt. 1874 va Theodore Pace son b. abt. 1877 va Mary Lewis Pace b. abt. 1839 Va-Something other than direct relationship * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

Somewhere in my notes I heard from a man who lived in N.C in the house that once belonged to Spencer Pace. Was there more than one Spencer Pace? Will try to find my notes! Lois carey * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lonnie Pace" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 > Roy, > > Well, I might as well "pile on" too. > > In the black paragraph under the chart, you say "126591 is a descendent > of the third brother, Spencer." > > We can't all be without error. I appreciate the work that you do, and > only wish that I had your understanding of the subject. > > Let's see if I have this straight. I gather from the information that: > A: it is believed that there were three brothers, John, William and > Dempsey Pace, and > B: we have DNA samples from direct line descendants of each of these > three brothers, and the commonality of these samples appears to prove > that belief, and > C: There is no such thing as "Proof Positive", rather only a > preponderance of the evidence submitted that strengthens said belief. > > Thank You, > > Lonnie Pace > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Roy Johnson > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:11 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 > > Thanks for the heads up. Don't know where Ic ame up with Spencer. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Janders 45 > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 > > I see one error in the chart - Spencer should be Dempsey. Yes, > Frederick > Pace of Wales is alive and well, at least from a family tree/ancestral > chart > point of view. > > The DNA results only indicate that it is highly probable that the five > individuals tested have a common male ancestor at some point in time, > but > the DNA results alone can't speak to the exact nature of that > relationship. > To determine this, we have to rely on other sources and, fortunately, > the > nature of the relationship of the three Clarke Co Paces, William, John, > and > Dempsey, is rather well documented. The DNA evidence does not "prove" > that > these old sources are true, but the evidence is consistent with the old > sources, so it does suggest that they are likely to be true. As Roy > pointed > out, we can now be confident that the father of these Paces "was not > "John > the Tory" as has been alleged." > > Joe Anderson > > > >> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 > 22:17:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > I just > re-read > Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons> might be a > brother > of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results> would neither > prove > nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is> concerned, this would be > quite possible.> > Roy> > -----Original Message-----> From: > [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf> > Of > Roy Johnson> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM> To: > [email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > The results > on > this kit are interesting and relevant to further> understanding this > group. > With results in for the three sons of the believed> Frederick, we now > have a > perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William> and Spencer, and a > 25/25 > match for two of the four descendents of John. This> would make it > likely > that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of> these sons, and > virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA.> > > > This group > seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any> documentary > records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John> the > Tory" > as has been alleged.> > > > The chart is at > http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm> > > > Roy Johnson> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please > send > an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in> the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found > in > this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: > 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008> 7:56 > PM> > >> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please > send > an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > When your life is on the go-take your life with you. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: > 11/1/2008 > 7:56 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message