Roy: My database showed that Twitty Pace was a descendant of Richard Pace of Jamestown and the documentation seemed fairly good. This is now somewhat questionable, but there could have been a paternity error subsequent to Twitty Pace. So another DNA test from a descendant of Twitty would probably be very helpful. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> >Sent: Sep 22, 2008 3:57 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PACE] New DNA results for Twitty Pace descendent > >Kit 55000 submits this lineage: > > > >. Donor > * 1. Father > * 2. Grandfather > * 3. JOHN ASHLY PACE b Oct 1861 Fannin Co. TX d Abt. 1921/22 > -----Lamar or Fannin Co. TX > + GEORGIE MAE SCALES (sources for John and Georgie are verbal > information from living individuals, including my father, grandmother, > and great aunt. > Some of my family still residing in Fannin/Grayson/Lamar county have > most of the documented sources from the court houses in those counties. > I have received most of my information from them via emails; 1870, 1900, > 1910, 1920, and 1930 census records) > * 4. ASHLEY L. PACE b 12 Dec 1834 AR d 7 Feb 1863 Grayson > Co. TX; > (same sources as above; 1860 census record) > + ARAMINTA DAVIS m. 20 Dec 1860 Fannin Co. TX (2nd Wife, mother of > John Ashly) > * 5. TWITTY PACE b 29 Dec 1789 Greenville Co., SC d 11 Feb > 1849 Fannin Co., TX + SUSANNAH DUNCAN m. 19 Apr 1810 Warren Co., Kentucky >(Twitty Pace Bible, owned by Bland and Simeon Smith of Bonham, TX... >published in the > Fannin County Folks and Facts book (Bonham Public Library - 1977) > > > >DNA results for alleles 1-25 were inconclusive showing possible inclusion in >group 3b with three differences-the borderline area. > > > >Results for 26-37 show conclusively that this donor is NOT in 3b. > > > >Modal for 3b 26-37: 11 11 19 22 16 15 17 17 36 40 12 12 > > > >Results for kit 55000: 10 10 23 23 16 15 20 16 37 37 12 12 > > > >As you can see, there are almost too many differences to count. I will need >to remove this kit from the 3b chart to the unidentified Paces chart. > > > >Are there any other Twitty Pace descendents out there? It would be good to >get more DNA. > > > >Roy Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Roy: In regard to the DNA test kit 128919: This Pace you said was adopted by a Patterson. It is likely that this Patterson was related. I have nine Pattersons (related to Paces) in my database of descendants of the VA Paces. If you can give me this person's email address I may be able to provide him some important information if I can obtain his birth year and place and where he lived. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> >Sent: Sep 29, 2008 10:50 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PACE] Server up; charts updated; new DNA results > >The servers are up and I was able to upload the latest revisions of the >tables for the DNA study. > > > >New results in for kit 128919, who is a Pace who was adopted as a Patterson >and has that surname. He knows very little about his Pace ancestry. DNA >results are 12/12/ match for group 3a, so at least now he knows where he >fits in, although he may not be able to trace his immediate ancestry. More >results are to come. He ordered a 37 marker test. > > > >Roy Johnson > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

The question about the lineage occurs between participant 55000 and Twitty Pace.   I haven't researched Twitty, but have been told the documentation is there that Twitty Pace is a son of John Pace and Ann Russell.     The second participant (#131118) from John Pace (Ann Russell) that was just tested shows that John Pace is in Group 3a - and part of the Richard Pace group.  This second participant was tracked down because of the results of the Twitty Pace participant #55000 and we needed a second set of results for the John Pace (Ann Russell) line. A second participant from the Twitty Pace line would be good, because at this point we have no idea at which generation the disconnect occurs between the Group 3a result of John Pace (Ann Russell) and the non-matching result of participant #55000.  The current results do NOT indicate that Twitty Pace is not in Group 3a - only that participant #55000 is not in Group 3a. Rebecca Christensen --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] New DNA results for Twitty Pace descendent To: "'Gordon W. Pace'" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:30 PM Yes, it would, and that has been posted on the list before, but so far no one has come forward. Anyone know a Twitty descendent? Funding could be obtained. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon W. Pace Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] New DNA results for Twitty Pace descendent Roy: My database showed that Twitty Pace was a descendant of Richard Pace of Jamestown and the documentation seemed fairly good. This is now somewhat questionable, but there could have been a paternity error subsequent to Twitty Pace. So another DNA test from a descendant of Twitty would probably be very helpful. Gordon W. Pace

I am a descendant of John and Ann (Russell) Pace through their son, John, Jr. DNA test results for John, Jr.'s line places him in Group 3a (as Rebecca states below). I have furnished proof that Twitty Pace was also a son of John and Ann (Russell) Pace. Twitty has many descendants, so I will try to locate one for a new test - not from the John Ashley Pace line that participant 55000 descends from. Thank you, Rebecca, for your clarification of the differing test results. Nancy Webb Wood > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:12:07 -0800 (PST) > From: Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] New DNA results for Twitty Pace descendent > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > The question about the lineage occurs between participant 55000 and Twitty > Pace.?? I haven't researched Twitty, but have been told the documentation > is there that Twitty Pace is a son of John Pace and Ann Russell.???? The > second participant (#131118) from John Pace (Ann Russell) that was just > tested shows that John Pace is in Group 3a - and part of the Richard Pace > group.? This second participant was tracked down because of the results of > the Twitty Pace participant #55000 and we needed a second set of results > for the John Pace (Ann Russell) line. > > A second participant from the Twitty Pace line would be good, because at > this point we have no idea at which generation the disconnect occurs > between the Group 3a result of John Pace (Ann Russell) and the > non-matching result of participant #55000.? > > The current results do NOT indicate that Twitty Pace is not in Group 3a - > only that participant #55000 is not in Group 3a. > > Rebecca Christensen

Whaat was the URL (Internet address) of this article? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lois Long Carey Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] article on the internet about interracial family of a Thomas West, landowner in Amherst and Albemarle Counties of Va-see Pace-West connection below This is a long article by a Joshua D. Rothman and speaks of a will made in Sept. 1796 by a Thomas West who named as heirs, two of his children, James Henry West and Nancy West, both free people of color. Thomas West was a white blacksmith. I find this interesting as William Joseph Pace b. Mar. 27,1837 married a Mary J. West on April 26, 1854. William Joseph Pace was a son of William Moment Pace and Dicy King.I have never seen anything on the parentage of Mary j. West. There was a chancery Suit between my Pace family and the family of William Moment Pace. Also I do not know of any DNA test having been done of the descendents of William Moment Pace. Just found this interesting due to the recent conversastions of tri-racial families. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM

His death is from Fluvanna County Va Death Records 1853-1896 by Nell Hailey I was under the impression that he was known as Joseph Pace Iv,son of Joseph Pace * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

I know nothing more. Sarah Pace, Mesha Moulton Mesha Pace, 36, died Nov. 10, 2008. Lawrence will announce arrangements. Published in the Decatur Daily on 11/11/2008 Create a Memorial Website

"The Betsy Pace who is listed as a young woman in the family of Nicholas and Polly is still a mystery, however I have wondered if she may have been a niece of Polly Pace:Although there was an Elizabeth who was born in 1814, could her full name have been Elizabeth Pace Gianniny,ie. Betsy Pace in the census: The marriage cert. for Nicholas Gianniny reveals that he was married on March 13, 1807 to Polly Pace in Albemarle County. She is listed as the daughter of Benjamin Pace." Note from Lois Carey---Could she have been my grgrandmother??( See below) My grgrandmother was Elizabeth P.b. abt. 1815 and married to John R.Pace b. 1809. We have never determined exactly who her parents were, although there has been much speculation. Additionally, Her son, John Walker Pace b, 1843, married Rebecca Ann Robinson, dau. of David Robinson and Mary Herndon( his second wife).David was born abt. 1789, and again, we do not know who his parents were. Since Polly , wife of Nicholas Gianniny, was said to be the daughter of Benjamin Pace and Ann Robinson or Roberson, this continues to intrigue me. Another strange coincedence is that when Mary Elizabeth Pace, dau. of John Walker Pace married James E. Hudson of Albemarle Co.Va, she moved into his home on the Woolen Mill Road, which happened to be next door to Nicholas Gianniny.( This information was given to me by Omer Allan Gianniny, Jr. of Charlottesville,Va who also lived on the Woolen Mill Road. If you google " Woolen Mill Road." you will see a picture of the house in which my aunt lived." The Hudson House" and a picture of her step-daughter, Mr. Hudson's dau. by his first marriage. When I found my Aunt's grave in Riverview Cemetery Charlottesville, Va. it is in the Hudson plot, right next to the Gianniny Plot. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

This information is from a person whose ancestors sold land to Jeremiah Pace In 1822 in Goochland Co.Va She says that Jeremiah was the son of Jesse I.Pace who died abt. 1821. She posted this information on the Marks FamilyForum in 2007, # 1749 and believes Jeremiah was married to a Lucy Marks. Their children appear to be: Andrew J., Georgew. Sarah A. and Benjamin F. Where are their descendents? I found a marriage between Jeremiah Pace and Lucy Marks in Fluvanna in 1819. Wasn't the mother of Meriwether Lewis married to a Marks after the death of his father? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

The Hadens and Noels were Next-door neighbors to my Pace family in Fluvanna . There is a possibilty that my grgrandmother, Elizabeth Pace b. abt. 1815 was a Haden When my grgrandmother, Mary A. Herndon Robinson applied for a pension from her husbands service in the war of 1812, It was sworn to by affadavit of William R. Haden and John R.Pace( my grgrandfather) Mary A. Herndon m.David Robinson, Their dau.,Rebecca Ann Robinson(Roberson,Robertson) married John Walker Pace b. 1843, He was the son of the above John R.Pace b. 1809,the application was dated 1878. I do not know who Jacob C. Pace, Albert A. Pace and Mildred Payne are!! Have not found them on any other census 1850 census Bettie D.Haden age 2 Elizabeth Haden 41 Jallie A. Haden 6 James W. Haden 4 Joel Haden 8 John R.Haden 12 Overton B.Haden 10- Rebecca and John Walker Pace named their first child Overton Ashby Pace Socrates Haden 14 William Haden 41- William E. Haden 18 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

I found the following reference to that information but not the source: Slavery Historians now know that small numbers of Africans lived in Virginia before 1619, the year a Dutch ship sold some twenty blacks to the colonists, but it wasn't until the 1680s that black slavery became the dominant labor system on plantations there. As late as 1640, there were probably only 150 blacks in Virginia, and in 1650, only 300. It was in the middle of a rather long article at this site: http://womenhistory.blogspot.com/2008/06/american-colonies-virginia.html roy johnson

from Book: HENDERSON CO. (TX) MARRIAGES  1860- 1886 by Marion Day Mullins PACE: G. W. Pace       married      L. E. Erwin            30-Jan 1873     pg. 25 Henry  Pace       married     Lon Adams           28 Jan 1880      pg. 47   J. R. Pace          married     Lula Pace             20 Jul 1885       pg. 67       (* also reversed as Lula marr. J R same date)                             pg. 67 M. T. Pace          married    N. L. Jones          14 Oct 1875        pg. 32 N. A. Pace (bride) married    A. Phillips            10 Mar 1881      pg. 51  T. D. Pace         married    Julia A. Clark         9 Dec 1884        pg. 64 Elizabeth Pace  married    Thomas Allison      25 Jun 1871       pg. 18       *(lots of Pate and Page if you are looking for that spelling

Somewhere I read that a census in Jamestown prior to the famous Dutch ship of 1619 showed that there were already blacks in Jamestown before 1619. I can't find that reference but in searching, I found some interesting sites that might be of interest. http://www.eclectica.org/v5n3/hashaw.html This article is titled V\MALUNGU: The African Origin of the American Melungeons It alleges and gives evidence that the Melungeon name originated from Portuguese Angola, which by Portuguese law was part of Portugal at that time. This could explain the Melungeon claim that their ancestry was Portuguese. This is of interest to me because my mother told me we had Portuguese ancestry, and she would say "or maybe it was Portuguese Indian. You know, there was a tribe called the Portuguese Indians." My great grandmother from East Tennessee was a small dark complected woman. Also there is supposedly a "Meluingeon lump" at the base of the skull of some Melungeon descendents. I have that lump. So maybe I have African ancestry on both sides of the house, since my Johnson DNA hints at African origins. Then there is a fascinating article about the first blacks at this URL: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070121/29african.htm It shows that there was considerably more racial intermarriage at that time than we realize, and that the strictures against it emerged gradually. The article says that only a small percentage of the "free people of color" came from master-slave sexual unions; most come from the free Africans of early colonial times. We don't get into politics on this site, and this is not intended as such, but maybe the election of a mixed race person with an African name as President indicates that to some extent we are returning to the standards of early colonial times. Roy Johnson

I know nothing more of this person but post for those who might know her. Sarah Zachary, Ruth Virginia Pace View/Sign Guest Book ZACHARY, Ruth Virginia PaceAge 86 of Franklin, TN. November 8, 2008. Survived by daughter, Janna (Larry) Finley; son, James D. (Gloria) Zachary, Jr.; one brother; six sisters; five grandchildren; six great grandchildren. Visitation Monday from 6-8 p.m. at WILLIAMSON MEMORIAL, 794-2289 Published in The Tennessean on 11/10/2008

This is a long article by a Joshua D. Rothman and speaks of a will made in Sept. 1796 by a Thomas West who named as heirs, two of his children, James Henry West and Nancy West, both free people of color. Thomas West was a white blacksmith. I find this interesting as William Joseph Pace b. Mar. 27,1837 married a Mary J. West on April 26, 1854. William Joseph Pace was a son of William Moment Pace and Dicy King.I have never seen anything on the parentage of Mary j. West. There was a chancery Suit between my Pace family and the family of William Moment Pace. Also I do not know of any DNA test having been done of the descendents of William Moment Pace. Just found this interesting due to the recent conversastions of tri-racial families. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

Earl Franklin Pace, age 85, passed away at Menifee Valley Medical Center in Sun City,California, Wednesday, October 22, 2008. He was born November 6, 1922 in Charlottesville,Virginia. He served in the US Navy for 30 years. Among his survivors are wife, Lois Pace: daughters, Marie Toothman and Sandra Voshell: sons, Ronald and Michael Pace along with eight grandchildren and eight great-grandchildren. Visitation will be held at Miller-Jones Mortuary, Sun City on October 25, 2008 from 9:00 am to 10:00 am with services following. Interment will be at Arlington National Cemetery. Arrangements entrusted to Miller-Jones Mortuary Sun City 951-672-0777 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

James Henry Pace (b. Nov 18, 1881 d. Nov 12, 1918) is buried at Refuge Baptist Church, Henderson Co, NC. He married Clara Jane Pittillo abt 1910. Clara J. Pittillo is the dau. of Littleton Pinkney Pittillo and Maria Catherine Foulds. Clara Jane and her parents are all buried at Lanning - Pittillo Cem, Henderson Co., N.C. James Henry Pace died in Spartanburg Co, SC: SC Death Certificate # 27600 (Spartanburg Co, SC) James Henry Pace's parental line is Henry Clay Pace (1848-1941) m. Mary Jane Tabor Leander Jackson Pace (1816-1893) m. Luvina Morris Moses Woodruff Pace (1781-1868) m. Margaret Barclay Burrell (Pope) Pace (1758-1816) m. Lydia Woodruff John Pace The Tory m. Sarah (Burgh) James Henry Pace and Clara Jane Pittillo had one known child Sibyl Jane Pace (b. Mar 15, 1912 and died Jun 11, 2001 in Asheville, Buncombe Co, NC) Sibyl married Charles Eugene Lance about 1940. Sibyl LANCE: Birth Date: 15 Mar 1912 Death Date: 11 Jun 2001 Social Security Number: 237-58-7984 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: North Carolina Death Residence Localities: ZIP Code: 28803 Localities: Asheville, Buncombe, North Carolina Biltmore Forest, Buncombe, North Carolina Charles LANCE: Birth Date: 15 Oct 1909 Death Date: Nov 1960 Social Security Number: 244-10-8659 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: North Carolina Sibyl Pace Lance and Charles Eugene Lance had 4 children, 2 of which died as infants and are buried next to their father at Calvary Epis. Ch. Cem., Henderson Co., N.C. Sibyl may be buried here aslo but the Henderson County NC Cemetery Book surveyed this cemetery prior to her death in 1994 and I have not visited this cemetery yet. Ricky Pace researcher of the decendents of John Pace the Tory and Sarah (Burgh) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Long Carey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: [PACE] Clara Jane Pittillo b. March 1885- North Carolina m. James Henry Pace- had a dau. Sibyl Jane Pace b. Mar 15, 1912 > Clara Jane Pittillo > b. Mar 3 1885- Henderson, N.C > > Sibyl Jane Pace > b. Mary 15, 1912 > Henderson Co. NC > Pg. 285-vol. 10 > Roll-# c 050-68001 > Parents: Jas. Henry Pace- who were his parents, when did he die? > Clara J. Pittillo- she was the dau. of Littleton Pinkney Pittillo and > Maria Catherine Foulds b. 24 Feb. 1860 > > SSDI > Sibyl Pace-- is she related to above? > b. Aug 4, 1903 > d. Aug. 1974 > Meridian, Lauderdale, Miss > SS# 587-90-9605 > issued Miss. 1969 > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove > [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in > touch! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Clara Jane Pittillo b. Mar 3 1885- Henderson, N.C Sibyl Jane Pace b. Mary 15, 1912 Henderson Co. NC Pg. 285-vol. 10 Roll-# c 050-68001 Parents: Jas. Henry Pace- who were his parents, when did he die? Clara J. Pittillo- she was the dau. of Littleton Pinkney Pittillo and Maria Catherine Foulds b. 24 Feb. 1860 SSDI Sibyl Pace-- is she related to above? b. Aug 4, 1903 d. Aug. 1974 Meridian, Lauderdale, Miss SS# 587-90-9605 issued Miss. 1969 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

As Rebecca mentioned, I was able to determine my mtDNA profile from the sample that I submitted to SMGF several years ago. I descend in the direct female line from a ggg-grandmother who is thought by some to be half-Indian. My mtDNA profile is the most common Western European haplotype, which I feel disproves the half-Indian theory. (This assumes that the Indian was my gggg-grandmother rather than my gggg-grandfather, which I think is probable considering the colonists' attitudes toward intermarriage with Indians during that period). One small addition to the discussion: Both sons and daughters inherit the mtDNA of the mother, but only the daughter passes it on to children. mtDNA exists in the mitochondria which is located in the cytoplasm. All the cytoplasm in the egg comes from the mother. At fertilization, the male contributes only the small packet of chromosomes for the nucleus of the zygote and contributes nothing at all to the cytoplasm. Hence, we males have maternal mtDNA that can be tested, even though we pass none of it on to our offspring. Joe Anderson _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/

Thanks. I must have linked to the one on my local drive by mistake. That's what happens when you do things in a hurry. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin, Glen M Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:16 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA testing and Native American ancestry I think that the chart to which Roy was referring is located at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAillustration.htm . -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA testing and Native American ancestry Betty, I'm sure Rebecca will give you an excellent answer as she understands DNA better than I do, but let me jump in and maybe I can help. Genealogical studies use only the Y chromosome. Females do not have a Y chromosome because that's what makes a fetus a male. So there could never be any crossover from the female side. That's why it works to test a lineage. If any female DNA was included, it would be impossible to tell where the DNa came from. You get your overall DNA from all kinds of ancestors; there is no way to sort it out except to use two factors that usually pass in "pure" form down a line. One is the surname, which usually goes male to male, and the other is the Y chromosome, which ALWAYS goes only male to male in pure form without any female elements. By matching these two, a male can get clues to his lineage. There is also a form of testing, called mtdna, which tests the female line, but again, this goes in pure form female to female to female, etc., so this wouldn't help you either, as your Indian ancestry apparently goes female to male to whatever. There is a chart online which explains this and shows that on a genealogical chart, only the "outside" lines can be tested. Try it at file:///C://public/DNA/DNAillustration.htm It shows how Y chromosome DNA and mtdna are the only types of DNA that do not combine and recombine to make it impossible to tell where it came from. These two types pass on in "pure" form. So there are a lot of your ancestors whose DNA you can never track specifically. Since females change names (usually) every generation mtdna is not usually useful in tracing a surname. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty A Pace Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA testing and Native American ancestry Rebecca, Let me see if I have this straight. Are you saying that if the Native American ancestry is in the female line, that there will be no signs of it in the Pace DNA test? My Alsey Pace (s/oStephen Pace, s/o John the Tory) had a Native American mother. My brother David took the short DNA test (#19490) and we fit into the Richard & Isabel Pace line. My brother did have one marker that was not typical -- could that reflect our Native American gggggrandmother? Betty Pace On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:41:01 -0800 (PST) Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> writes: > The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to > determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the > same path on the pedigree chart as the surname. So, if a Pace had > Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, > etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, > then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would > indicate Native American ancestry. But the Y-chromosome testing > that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on > your pedigree. > > Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your > mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom > branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial > DNA testing (mtDNA). But it wouldn't tell you about any Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines. > > To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in > the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants > among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for > the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for > the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly > paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly > female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American > ancestry. It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal > DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native > American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past > few generations. > > So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has > "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace > surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not > Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the > Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry. He > would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his > male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname > line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line > back to a Cherokee ancestress. Then the cousin could be tested for > Native American ancestry. > > Rebecca Christensen > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > wrote: > From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:40 PM > > Lois: > In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, > about 3% or > more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test > match most of > the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I > know that > there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are > either > distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far > as I know, > are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. > Gordon W. Pace > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Bills adding up? 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