hi, Gordon did some research for me and I and my brother are direct descendants of Richard vs Isabella down through samuel m pace. my brother is samuel maurice pace III and his son is samuel maurice pace iv. would dna from either of them help? thanks. my names is jimmie deborah pace. our ancestor is smuel m pace jr our grandfather and great, great etc are samuel m pace sr, richard randall pace, dredzil evans pace, william pace, drury pace. these are all on my fathers side. i could ask my brother to do dna test. he doesnt know of pace soceity yet. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "val & jeff tice" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:36 AM Subject: [PACE] Bignal DNA test > I've received e-mails off the list, but I'm going to respond on the list > to > the issues raised by the results of the Bignal Pace DNA test. Prior to > that > test, the DNA results had come back as we had expected as follows: > > 1. Richard m. Isabella > a. George m. Sarah > i. Richard m. Mary > A. George Pace - 3b DNA > B. John Pace m. Elizabeth (prob. Lowe) - 3a DNA > C. Richard Pace m. Rebecca - 3a DNA > D. James Pace - 3a DNA > E. Thomas Pace - no known issue. > > But the Bignal test raises research issues whether you use the Pace > Society > research, Bruce's research or any other research I've seen. The problem > is > here: > > A. George Pace (or if using Bruce's research - James Pace) > a. Richard (poss. m. Sarah Woodlief) > i. Francis Pace (poss. m. Ann) > 1. Bignal - 3a DNA > ii. John Pace m. Sarah - 3b DNA > iii. Richard Pace m. Elizabeth - 3b DNA > > We can't have two 3b DNA lines off Richard and Sarah and one 3a DNA. Even > if I use later research and switch Stephen Pace to John Pace m. Sarah's > line, so that we don't have any descendants from Richard m. Elizabeth, > William Pace m. Sisley has also tested 3b DNA, and I'm not sure whether he > is young enough to be John & Sarah's son. If William is young enough, then > all the 3b DNA lines would be John m. Sarah descendants: > > A. George Pace (or if using Bruce's research - James Pace) > a. Richard Pace (poss. m. Sarah Woodlief) > i. Francis Pace > 1. Bignal - 3a DNA > ii. John Pace m. Sarah - 3b DNA (Jesse m. Polly would fall > somewhere here as John Pace has shown Jesse first appears in Surry County, > North Carolina) > 1. William Pace m. Sisley - 3b DNA > iii. Richard Pace m. Elizabeth - no one tested > > That would work with the DNA evidence, but I'm not so sure how well it > works > with the records. > > Val > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
I've received e-mails off the list, but I'm going to respond on the list to the issues raised by the results of the Bignal Pace DNA test. Prior to that test, the DNA results had come back as we had expected as follows: 1. Richard m. Isabella a. George m. Sarah i. Richard m. Mary A. George Pace - 3b DNA B. John Pace m. Elizabeth (prob. Lowe) - 3a DNA C. Richard Pace m. Rebecca - 3a DNA D. James Pace - 3a DNA E. Thomas Pace - no known issue. But the Bignal test raises research issues whether you use the Pace Society research, Bruce's research or any other research I've seen. The problem is here: A. George Pace (or if using Bruce's research - James Pace) a. Richard (poss. m. Sarah Woodlief) i. Francis Pace (poss. m. Ann) 1. Bignal - 3a DNA ii. John Pace m. Sarah - 3b DNA iii. Richard Pace m. Elizabeth - 3b DNA We can't have two 3b DNA lines off Richard and Sarah and one 3a DNA. Even if I use later research and switch Stephen Pace to John Pace m. Sarah's line, so that we don't have any descendants from Richard m. Elizabeth, William Pace m. Sisley has also tested 3b DNA, and I'm not sure whether he is young enough to be John & Sarah's son. If William is young enough, then all the 3b DNA lines would be John m. Sarah descendants: A. George Pace (or if using Bruce's research - James Pace) a. Richard Pace (poss. m. Sarah Woodlief) i. Francis Pace 1. Bignal - 3a DNA ii. John Pace m. Sarah - 3b DNA (Jesse m. Polly would fall somewhere here as John Pace has shown Jesse first appears in Surry County, North Carolina) 1. William Pace m. Sisley - 3b DNA iii. Richard Pace m. Elizabeth - no one tested That would work with the DNA evidence, but I'm not so sure how well it works with the records. Val
Yes, I know, I am just trying to find the person who requested this. This was my original message used only for identification purposes. I can't figure this out. It was at a time when my wife was still recuperating and I lost a few things. Hope someone can find out who this is. Probably not possible now anyway, as I leave for a month next week, and I have found it's hard to get funding right before Christmas. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Lost funding request Right now the 37 marker test costs less than the 25 marker test as part of the year-end special being offered by FTDNA until Dec. 31. So the amount needed is less than mentioned in this e-mail. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Lost funding request To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:24 PM Gordon T Pace (Canada) just sent me an email about a funding request that I posted on 10/28. I had a lot of things going at that time and I have lost track of where it came from. It looks to me like there may have been three funding requests about then and we funded two, kist 134499 and 140013, neither of which submitted this lineage. If the requester is on the list, please respond. This a good lineage for us to have with the Canada connection. I have searched all emails at about that time and cannot find the sender of this lineage. Can anyone help/ Roy Johnson Here's what I found from the Pace list-GTP: [PACE] MORE FUNDING NEEDED 28/10/2008 The last funding request that I submitted was quickly filled and we have $89 toward the next, which is good, because I have another candidate with this lineage: William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 d. 7/27/66 Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada d. 3/6/1885 Canada Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 d. James Pace b. ca 1724 d. ca 1784 Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 d. ca 1775 Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 d. ca 1738 Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 d. 11/17/1677 George Pace b. ca 1609 d. ca 1655 Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 d. ca 1627 We need at least $128 for a 25 marker, which is the lowest that I recommend for meaningful results. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:58 PM
Gordon T Pace (Canada) just sent me an email about a funding request that I posted on 10/28. I had a lot of things going at that time and I have lost track of where it came from. It looks to me like there may have been three funding requests about then and we funded two, kist 134499 and 140013, neither of which submitted this lineage. If the requester is on the list, please respond. This a good lineage for us to have with the Canada connection. I have searched all emails at about that time and cannot find the sender of this lineage. Can anyone help/ Roy Johnson Here's what I found from the Pace list-GTP: [PACE] MORE FUNDING NEEDED 28/10/2008 The last funding request that I submitted was quickly filled and we have $89 toward the next, which is good, because I have another candidate with this lineage: William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 d. 7/27/66 Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada d. 3/6/1885 Canada Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 d. James Pace b. ca 1724 d. ca 1784 Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 d. ca 1775 Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 d. ca 1738 Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 d. 11/17/1677 George Pace b. ca 1609 d. ca 1655 Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 d. ca 1627 We need at least $128 for a 25 marker, which is the lowest that I recommend for meaningful results.
Right now the 37 marker test costs less than the 25 marker test as part of the year-end special being offered by FTDNA until Dec. 31. So the amount needed is less than mentioned in this e-mail. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Lost funding request To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:24 PM Gordon T Pace (Canada) just sent me an email about a funding request that I posted on 10/28. I had a lot of things going at that time and I have lost track of where it came from. It looks to me like there may have been three funding requests about then and we funded two, kist 134499 and 140013, neither of which submitted this lineage. If the requester is on the list, please respond. This a good lineage for us to have with the Canada connection. I have searched all emails at about that time and cannot find the sender of this lineage. Can anyone help/ Roy Johnson Here's what I found from the Pace list-GTP: [PACE] MORE FUNDING NEEDED 28/10/2008 The last funding request that I submitted was quickly filled and we have $89 toward the next, which is good, because I have another candidate with this lineage: William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 d. 7/27/66 Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada d. 3/6/1885 Canada Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 d. James Pace b. ca 1724 d. ca 1784 Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 d. ca 1775 Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 d. ca 1738 Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 d. 11/17/1677 George Pace b. ca 1609 d. ca 1655 Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 d. ca 1627 We need at least $128 for a 25 marker, which is the lowest that I recommend for meaningful results. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Preliminary 12 marker results are in for kit 125997. It was anticipated that this might be a 3b listing but 1-12 alleles are consistent with the modal for 3a. It will be interesting to see the rest of the results on this line. I patched into the table under the 12 marker test in that line that matched perfectly. It can be moved later if it belongs in a different place. I don't have an exact pedigree on that line yet for the donors page. Roy Johnson
Hi Carol Sorry about posting the 1889 ERROR for marriage to Ann Cain or 2nd wife of William--- ..William married 2nd prior to 1789 , most Probably before Hardy C was born. Happy Holidays Charles -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: PACE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 301 Today's Topics: 1. Re: William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents (Carol Hallman) 2. Re: William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents (Carol Hallman) 3. New look on group 3 page (Roy Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: Carol Hallman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Charles, pleae check the possible marriage date of William to Ann Cain -- you show "before 1889" but it would have been long before that, since he died in 1845. I replied with this question earlier but it seems to have been lost in cyberspace. Would you please check this date and let us know what it should have been? ? Many thanks! ? Carol Pace Hallman Greenville, SC --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: From: Charles <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:55 PM The Information below may be of interest -- The Will of William Pace and a list of his children William PACE was born abt 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC. He died 1845 in Montgomery County, Tennessee. William married Sisley WALKER, The Last documents that mention Sisley is about 1776. He may have Married Ann Cain before 1889. He had about 11 children ? 8-Sons Dempsey, Joel, Alsy, William Jr, , GIDEON, Hardy C., Henning, John,-- 3- Daughters- Patience, Martha (Patsy), Sarah(Sally), Will of William Pace, Sr. This copy of the Last Will and Testament of William Pace, Sr. has been transcribed by me from a photo static copy of the original. The original is listed in the 1845 Montgomery County, TN Will Book, Vol. J, page 453. The will was written on Nov. 6, 1829 and presumably probated in 1845. Where the text is illegible, asterisks have been inserted. A copy of the original will can be obtained from the Tennessee State Library & Archives. The Will follows. In the name of God Amen, I William Pace of Robertson County being of sound and perfect mind and memory blessed be God in this 6th Day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine make and publish this my last Will & Testament in manner(?) following that is to say. First I give and bequeath unto Daughter Patience Williams & to my son Joel Pace and to the heirs of Patsy Harris all my land and stock and household & kitchen furniture & plantation utensils except one hundred Dollars that my son Hardy C. Pace is to have out of the above mentioned (?) property to them & their heirs forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my daughter Sally Davis & unto my son Henning Pace and unto my son William Pace & unto my son John Pace & unto my son Hardy C. Pace & unto my daughter Sally Shaw and unto my son Dempsey Pace all my negroes and their increase Namely Ferriby Peter Judy Write Lewis Jincy & Critty to be equally divided between my children above mentioned (?) to wit Sally Davis, Henning Pace, William Pace, John Pace, Hardy C. Pace & Sally Shaw & Dempsey Pace to them and their heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Granddaughter Sissity (Sissily?) McGraw one dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandson Uriah McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my granddaughter Elizabeth McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my grandson Archibald McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Mary McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my grandson Christopher S Pace one Dollar to him & his heirs and assigns forever. Item To grandson Edmund A. Pace and To son Gideon Pace each to have $1.00. And I hereby make & ordain my son Hardy C. Pace & John Davis Executers of this my last Will & Testament revoking all wills by me heretofore made in writing whereof. I the said William Pace have to this my last Will & Testament set my hand and seal this day & year above written. Signed sealed published and [Signature neatly written: ?William Pace? & Seal] Declared by the said William Pace the Testator as his last Will & Testament in the presence Of us who were present at the time Of signing sealing thereof *** *** The 1830 Robertson County, TN Federal census, p 376, shows on Line 2, Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/1/0/0/0/0/1/0/0//02/1/0/0/1/0/0/ ~~~ 1 male 20-30 [1800-1820] 2 females 5-10 [1820-1825] 1 male 80-90 [1740-1750] 1 female 10-15 [1815-1820] 1 female 30-40 [1790-1800] There is a slave schedule as well, showing a total of 7 slaves. 1/2/0/0/0/0//2/1/0/1/0/0// 1 male under 10 2 females under 10 2 males 10-24 1 female 10-24 1 female 30-40 The 1820 Robertson County census shows Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/0/1//0/0/0/1/0/ 1 male over 45 [<1775] 1 female 26-45 [1775-1794] The 1830 census may overstate William?s age. More likely he was between 70 and 80. However, Bruce Howard, in his book Our Colonial Ancestors ,states that ?William was born about the year 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC.? This estimate is consistent with the census record. A Pace Society Bulletin, Vol. I gives his birth date as 1746-48. His wife is not mentioned in either the 1830 census or his will. She may not be in the 1820 census. Thus, she may have died before 1820. William Pace, Sr. bought his land in TN in 1803, but probably arrived earlier. According to Howard p. 329, William sold 101 acres ?on the North of the Tar River on the Great Branch? in Franklin Co., NC on 9/16/1794 to David Jarnegan. He sold 444 acres (adjacent location) to Henry G. Williams on 9/6/1802, Howard pp 119-120. In TN in 1809, William purchased from Joseph Choate 100 acres of land. The deed was proved in open court by the oath of John David and Joel Pace. Signed: James R. Pace They had the following children: M i Dempsey PACE was born about 1786 and died after 1870. F ii Patience PACE. M iii Joel PACE. M iv Patsy PACE died before 1845. M v Hardy C. PACE. F vi Sally PACE. M vii Henning PACE. M viii William PACE. M ix John PACE. F x Sarah? PACE. William Pace mentions in his will of 1845 a daughter Sally Davis and also a daughter Sally Shaw. F xi Mary PACE. M xii Gideon PACE. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents Roy, ? I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?)? The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b.?? In this case 12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch of the family.?? The other participant from this line (#16218) through William and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), but this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey Pace and the participant.??? We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, William Richard, and Gideon.?? Between the three sets of results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 matching DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers 13-25 matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines.? These three results place this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PM This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) group, but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that they will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there is also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's possible parentage-look for the link. Rebecca might have some commentary on this line???? http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm and scroll to the bottom of the chart. Click the kit numbers if you want to see the lineages. Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: Carol Hallman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Charles, surely the possible marriage date to Ann Cain would not be 1889 -- would you please check that for us? ? Thanks, Carol Pace Hallman Greenville, SC ? --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: ? William PACE was born abt? 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC. He died 1845 in Montgomery? County, Tennessee. William married Sisley WALKER, The Last documents that? mention Sisley is about 1776.? He may have Married Ann Cain before? 1889.? ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:08:24 -0600 From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] New look on group 3 page To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Rebecca and I are in the process of revising the group 3 page which was becoming confusing. I am also working through the donors page and finding things that need changing. Comments and criticisms from one and all are welcome. We have tried to get a more meaningful grouping of common ancestry, and I also added markers at the bottom, as you lose the ones at the top when scrolling and it is hard to tell what the number of the marker is. With markers top and bottom, you should be able to see one or the other when scrolling and be able to match them up better. http://pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm http://pacesociety.org/DNA/donors.html If you are a donor or the sponsor of a donor, it would be a good idea to check your entry on the donors page and see if it is accurate. I found one instance where I had copied the lineage of the wrong donor, and the submitter did not correct me. 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Rebecca and I are in the process of revising the group 3 page which was becoming confusing. I am also working through the donors page and finding things that need changing. Comments and criticisms from one and all are welcome. We have tried to get a more meaningful grouping of common ancestry, and I also added markers at the bottom, as you lose the ones at the top when scrolling and it is hard to tell what the number of the marker is. With markers top and bottom, you should be able to see one or the other when scrolling and be able to match them up better. http://pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm http://pacesociety.org/DNA/donors.html If you are a donor or the sponsor of a donor, it would be a good idea to check your entry on the donors page and see if it is accurate. I found one instance where I had copied the lineage of the wrong donor, and the submitter did not correct me. Roy Johnson
Charles, pleae check the possible marriage date of William to Ann Cain -- you show "before 1889" but it would have been long before that, since he died in 1845. I replied with this question earlier but it seems to have been lost in cyberspace. Would you please check this date and let us know what it should have been? Many thanks! Carol Pace Hallman Greenville, SC --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: From: Charles <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:55 PM The Information below may be of interest -- The Will of William Pace and a list of his children William PACE was born abt 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC. He died 1845 in Montgomery County, Tennessee. William married Sisley WALKER, The Last documents that mention Sisley is about 1776. He may have Married Ann Cain before 1889. He had about 11 children – 8-Sons Dempsey, Joel, Alsy, William Jr, , GIDEON, Hardy C., Henning, John,-- 3- Daughters- Patience, Martha (Patsy), Sarah(Sally), Will of William Pace, Sr. This copy of the Last Will and Testament of William Pace, Sr. has been transcribed by me from a photo static copy of the original. The original is listed in the 1845 Montgomery County, TN Will Book, Vol. J, page 453. The will was written on Nov. 6, 1829 and presumably probated in 1845. Where the text is illegible, asterisks have been inserted. A copy of the original will can be obtained from the Tennessee State Library & Archives. The Will follows. In the name of God Amen, I William Pace of Robertson County being of sound and perfect mind and memory blessed be God in this 6th Day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine make and publish this my last Will & Testament in manner(?) following that is to say. First I give and bequeath unto Daughter Patience Williams & to my son Joel Pace and to the heirs of Patsy Harris all my land and stock and household & kitchen furniture & plantation utensils except one hundred Dollars that my son Hardy C. Pace is to have out of the above mentioned (?) property to them & their heirs forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my daughter Sally Davis & unto my son Henning Pace and unto my son William Pace & unto my son John Pace & unto my son Hardy C. Pace & unto my daughter Sally Shaw and unto my son Dempsey Pace all my negroes and their increase Namely Ferriby Peter Judy Write Lewis Jincy & Critty to be equally divided between my children above mentioned (?) to wit Sally Davis, Henning Pace, William Pace, John Pace, Hardy C. Pace & Sally Shaw & Dempsey Pace to them and their heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Granddaughter Sissity (Sissily?) McGraw one dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandson Uriah McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my granddaughter Elizabeth McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my grandson Archibald McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Mary McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my grandson Christopher S Pace one Dollar to him & his heirs and assigns forever. Item To grandson Edmund A. Pace and To son Gideon Pace each to have $1.00. And I hereby make & ordain my son Hardy C. Pace & John Davis Executers of this my last Will & Testament revoking all wills by me heretofore made in writing whereof. I the said William Pace have to this my last Will & Testament set my hand and seal this day & year above written. Signed sealed published and [Signature neatly written: ‘William Pace’ & Seal] Declared by the said William Pace the Testator as his last Will & Testament in the presence Of us who were present at the time Of signing sealing thereof *** *** The 1830 Robertson County, TN Federal census, p 376, shows on Line 2, Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/1/0/0/0/0/1/0/0//02/1/0/0/1/0/0/ ~~~ 1 male 20-30 [1800-1820] 2 females 5-10 [1820-1825] 1 male 80-90 [1740-1750] 1 female 10-15 [1815-1820] 1 female 30-40 [1790-1800] There is a slave schedule as well, showing a total of 7 slaves. 1/2/0/0/0/0//2/1/0/1/0/0// 1 male under 10 2 females under 10 2 males 10-24 1 female 10-24 1 female 30-40 The 1820 Robertson County census shows Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/0/1//0/0/0/1/0/ 1 male over 45 [<1775] 1 female 26-45 [1775-1794] The 1830 census may overstate William’s age. More likely he was between 70 and 80. However, Bruce Howard, in his book Our Colonial Ancestors ,states that “William was born about the year 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC.” This estimate is consistent with the census record. A Pace Society Bulletin, Vol. I gives his birth date as 1746-48. His wife is not mentioned in either the 1830 census or his will. She may not be in the 1820 census. Thus, she may have died before 1820. William Pace, Sr. bought his land in TN in 1803, but probably arrived earlier. According to Howard p. 329, William sold 101 acres “on the North of the Tar River on the Great Branch” in Franklin Co., NC on 9/16/1794 to David Jarnegan. He sold 444 acres (adjacent location) to Henry G. Williams on 9/6/1802, Howard pp 119-120. In TN in 1809, William purchased from Joseph Choate 100 acres of land. The deed was proved in open court by the oath of John David and Joel Pace. Signed: James R. Pace They had the following children: M i Dempsey PACE was born about 1786 and died after 1870. F ii Patience PACE. M iii Joel PACE. M iv Patsy PACE died before 1845. M v Hardy C. PACE. F vi Sally PACE. M vii Henning PACE. M viii William PACE. M ix John PACE. F x Sarah? PACE. William Pace mentions in his will of 1845 a daughter Sally Davis and also a daughter Sally Shaw. F xi Mary PACE. M xii Gideon PACE. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents Roy, I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?) The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b. In this case 12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch of the family. The other participant from this line (#16218) through William and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), but this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey Pace and the participant. We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, William Richard, and Gideon. Between the three sets of results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 matching DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers 13-25 matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines. These three results place this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PM This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) group, but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that they will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there is also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's possible parentage-look for the link. Rebecca might have some commentary on this line???? http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm and scroll to the bottom of the chart. Click the kit numbers if you want to see the lineages. Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Charles, surely the possible marriage date to Ann Cain would not be 1889 -- would you please check that for us? Thanks, Carol Pace Hallman Greenville, SC --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: William PACE was born abt 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC. He died 1845 in Montgomery County, Tennessee. William married Sisley WALKER, The Last documents that mention Sisley is about 1776. He may have Married Ann Cain before 1889.
In the interest of remaining as accurate as possible about the Will of William Pace, Sr. died 1845 Montgomery County TN, we need to keep in mind the following: There is no original Will for William Pace Sr., what we have is a copy that was recorded by a clerk into the court record. No original survives, nor does any probate packet which would contain any original papers about the business of the estate. All we have is what was copied into the court record. We have no way of knowing whether any errors or omissions were made by the clerk when he copied the Will into the record book. It has been my opinion that the daughter Mary McGraw listed in the Will was another granddaughter, rather than a daughter, and that we do not know the name of the daughter that married the McGraw. This opinion was somewhat re-enforced by the following that I located in Oklahoma City last summer while attending the Pace Society Reunion. The following McGraws are given in Robertson County TN Apprentice records, below is the published record, I have not yet seen the original: In Robertson County TN, 11 May 1829 Hardy Felts apprenticed orphan Mary McGraw. This was canceled 11 Feb 1933. The same date 11 Feb 1833 Mary McGraw orphan, age about 12 years was apprenticed to Evin Morris to learn housewifery. Also in Robertson County Archer McGraw, orphan, was apprenticed to Granville Nicholson 8 May 1826 to learn farming, this was Canceled 9 Feb 1829: The same date 9 Feb 1829 Archibald McGraw age about 17 years was apprenticed to Even Morris. [The Felts and Nicholsons are Pace associated families in that area of TN.] The other McGraw orphan listed in Robertson County TN was Uriah McGraw apprenticed to George G. Brown 13 Feb 1815 age 8 years on 4 May next. Reference: Alan Miller, Middle Tennessee Forgotten Children, Apprentices from 1784-1902, 2004 Shirley Pace Graham In a message dated 12/5/2008 9:31:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: As a brief note, the "Sally Shaw" mentioned with-in the will of our William Pace Sr. as note by Charles should read, Cassie "Callie" Pace. She married, James "Jim" Shaw. He being the son of Thomas & Sarah (Jackson) Shaw, the parents of my g.g.g.grandmother, Martha Ann "Patsy" Shaw who married William Pace Jr., the son of the mentioned William Pace Sr. of Montgomery Co., Tennessee. Terry Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents The Information below may be of interest -- The Will of William Pace and a list of his children William PACE was born abt 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC. He died 1845 in Montgomery County, Tennessee. William married Sisley WALKER, The Last documents that mention Sisley is about 1776. He may have Married Ann Cain before 1889. He had about 11 children - 8-Sons Dempsey, Joel, Alsy, William Jr, , GIDEON, Hardy C., Henning, John,-- 3- Daughters- Patience, Martha (Patsy), Sarah(Sally), Will of William Pace, Sr. This copy of the Last Will and Testament of William Pace, Sr. has been transcribed by me from a photo static copy of the original. The original is listed in the 1845 Montgomery County, TN Will Book, Vol. J, page 453. The will was written on Nov. 6, 1829 and presumably probated in 1845. Where the text is illegible, asterisks have been inserted. A copy of the original will can be obtained from the Tennessee State Library & Archives. The Will follows. In the name of God Amen, I William Pace of Robertson County being of sound and perfect mind and memory blessed be God in this 6th Day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine make and publish this my last Will & Testament in manner(?) following that is to say. First I give and bequeath unto Daughter Patience Williams & to my son Joel Pace and to the heirs of Patsy Harris all my land and stock and household & kitchen furniture & plantation utensils except one hundred Dollars that my son Hardy C. Pace is to have out of the above mentioned (?) property to them & their heirs forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my daughter Sally Davis & unto my son Henning Pace and unto my son William Pace & unto my son John Pace & unto my son Hardy C. Pace & unto my daughter Sally Shaw and unto my son Dempsey Pace all my negroes and their increase Namely Ferriby Peter Judy Write Lewis Jincy & Critty to be equally divided between my children above mentioned (?) to wit Sally Davis, Henning Pace, William Pace, John Pace, Hardy C. Pace & Sally Shaw & Dempsey Pace to them and their heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Granddaughter Sissity (Sissily?) McGraw one dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandson Uriah McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my granddaughter Elizabeth McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my grandson Archibald McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Mary McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my grandson Christopher S Pace one Dollar to him & his heirs and assigns forever. Item To grandson Edmund A. Pace and To son Gideon Pace each to have $1.00. And I hereby make & ordain my son Hardy C. Pace & John Davis Executers of this my last Will & Testament revoking all wills by me heretofore made in writing whereof. I the said William Pace have to this my last Will & Testament set my hand and seal this day & year above written. Signed sealed published and [Signature neatly written: 'William Pace' & Seal] Declared by the said William Pace the Testator as his last Will & Testament in the presence Of us who were present at the time Of signing sealing thereof *** *** The 1830 Robertson County, TN Federal census, p 376, shows on Line 2, Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/1/0/0/0/0/1/0/0//02/1/0/0/1/0/0/ ~~~ 1 male 20-30 [1800-1820] 2 females 5-10 [1820-1825] 1 male 80-90 [1740-1750] 1 female 10-15 [1815-1820] 1 female 30-40 [1790-1800] There is a slave schedule as well, showing a total of 7 slaves. 1/2/0/0/0/0//2/1/0/1/0/0// 1 male under 10 2 females under 10 2 males 10-24 1 female 10-24 1 female 30-40 The 1820 Robertson County census shows Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/0/1//0/0/0/1/0/ 1 male over 45 [<1775] 1 female 26-45 [1775-1794] The 1830 census may overstate William's age. More likely he was between 70 and 80. However, Bruce Howard, in his book Our Colonial Ancestors ,states that "William was born about the year 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC." This estimate is consistent with the census record. A Pace Society Bulletin, Vol. I gives his birth date as 1746-48. His wife is not mentioned in either the 1830 census or his will. She may not be in the 1820 census. Thus, she may have died before 1820. William Pace, Sr. bought his land in TN in 1803, but probably arrived earlier. According to Howard p. 329, William sold 101 acres "on the North of the Tar River on the Great Branch" in Franklin Co., NC on 9/16/1794 to David Jarnegan. He sold 444 acres (adjacent location) to Henry G. Williams on 9/6/1802, Howard pp 119-120. In TN in 1809, William purchased from Joseph Choate 100 acres of land. The deed was proved in open court by the oath of John David and Joel Pace. Signed: James R. Pace They had the following children: M i Dempsey PACE was born about 1786 and died after 1870. F ii Patience PACE. M iii Joel PACE. M iv Patsy PACE died before 1845. M v Hardy C. PACE. F vi Sally PACE. M vii Henning PACE. M viii William PACE. M ix John PACE. F x Sarah? PACE. William Pace mentions in his will of 1845 a daughter Sally Davis and also a daughter Sally Shaw. F xi Mary PACE. M xii Gideon PACE. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents Roy, I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?) The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b. In this case 12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch of the family. The other participant from this line (#16218) through William and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), but this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey Pace and the participant. We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, William Richard, and Gideon. Between the three sets of results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 matching DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers 13-25 matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines. These three results place this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PM This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) group, but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that they will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there is also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's possible parentage-look for the link. 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As a brief note, the "Sally Shaw" mentioned with-in the will of our William Pace Sr. as note by Charles should read, Cassie "Callie" Pace. She married, James "Jim" Shaw. He being the son of Thomas & Sarah (Jackson) Shaw, the parents of my g.g.g.grandmother, Martha Ann "Patsy" Shaw who married William Pace Jr., the son of the mentioned William Pace Sr. of Montgomery Co., Tennessee. Terry Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents The Information below may be of interest -- The Will of William Pace and a list of his children William PACE was born abt 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC. He died 1845 in Montgomery County, Tennessee. William married Sisley WALKER, The Last documents that mention Sisley is about 1776. He may have Married Ann Cain before 1889. He had about 11 children - 8-Sons Dempsey, Joel, Alsy, William Jr, , GIDEON, Hardy C., Henning, John,-- 3- Daughters- Patience, Martha (Patsy), Sarah(Sally), Will of William Pace, Sr. This copy of the Last Will and Testament of William Pace, Sr. has been transcribed by me from a photo static copy of the original. The original is listed in the 1845 Montgomery County, TN Will Book, Vol. J, page 453. The will was written on Nov. 6, 1829 and presumably probated in 1845. Where the text is illegible, asterisks have been inserted. A copy of the original will can be obtained from the Tennessee State Library & Archives. The Will follows. In the name of God Amen, I William Pace of Robertson County being of sound and perfect mind and memory blessed be God in this 6th Day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine make and publish this my last Will & Testament in manner(?) following that is to say. First I give and bequeath unto Daughter Patience Williams & to my son Joel Pace and to the heirs of Patsy Harris all my land and stock and household & kitchen furniture & plantation utensils except one hundred Dollars that my son Hardy C. Pace is to have out of the above mentioned (?) property to them & their heirs forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my daughter Sally Davis & unto my son Henning Pace and unto my son William Pace & unto my son John Pace & unto my son Hardy C. Pace & unto my daughter Sally Shaw and unto my son Dempsey Pace all my negroes and their increase Namely Ferriby Peter Judy Write Lewis Jincy & Critty to be equally divided between my children above mentioned (?) to wit Sally Davis, Henning Pace, William Pace, John Pace, Hardy C. Pace & Sally Shaw & Dempsey Pace to them and their heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Granddaughter Sissity (Sissily?) McGraw one dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandson Uriah McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my granddaughter Elizabeth McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my grandson Archibald McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Mary McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my grandson Christopher S Pace one Dollar to him & his heirs and assigns forever. Item To grandson Edmund A. Pace and To son Gideon Pace each to have $1.00. And I hereby make & ordain my son Hardy C. Pace & John Davis Executers of this my last Will & Testament revoking all wills by me heretofore made in writing whereof. I the said William Pace have to this my last Will & Testament set my hand and seal this day & year above written. Signed sealed published and [Signature neatly written: 'William Pace' & Seal] Declared by the said William Pace the Testator as his last Will & Testament in the presence Of us who were present at the time Of signing sealing thereof *** *** The 1830 Robertson County, TN Federal census, p 376, shows on Line 2, Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/1/0/0/0/0/1/0/0//02/1/0/0/1/0/0/ ~~~ 1 male 20-30 [1800-1820] 2 females 5-10 [1820-1825] 1 male 80-90 [1740-1750] 1 female 10-15 [1815-1820] 1 female 30-40 [1790-1800] There is a slave schedule as well, showing a total of 7 slaves. 1/2/0/0/0/0//2/1/0/1/0/0// 1 male under 10 2 females under 10 2 males 10-24 1 female 10-24 1 female 30-40 The 1820 Robertson County census shows Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/0/1//0/0/0/1/0/ 1 male over 45 [<1775] 1 female 26-45 [1775-1794] The 1830 census may overstate William's age. More likely he was between 70 and 80. However, Bruce Howard, in his book Our Colonial Ancestors ,states that "William was born about the year 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC." This estimate is consistent with the census record. A Pace Society Bulletin, Vol. I gives his birth date as 1746-48. His wife is not mentioned in either the 1830 census or his will. She may not be in the 1820 census. Thus, she may have died before 1820. William Pace, Sr. bought his land in TN in 1803, but probably arrived earlier. According to Howard p. 329, William sold 101 acres "on the North of the Tar River on the Great Branch" in Franklin Co., NC on 9/16/1794 to David Jarnegan. He sold 444 acres (adjacent location) to Henry G. Williams on 9/6/1802, Howard pp 119-120. In TN in 1809, William purchased from Joseph Choate 100 acres of land. The deed was proved in open court by the oath of John David and Joel Pace. Signed: James R. Pace They had the following children: M i Dempsey PACE was born about 1786 and died after 1870. F ii Patience PACE. M iii Joel PACE. M iv Patsy PACE died before 1845. M v Hardy C. PACE. F vi Sally PACE. M vii Henning PACE. M viii William PACE. M ix John PACE. F x Sarah? PACE. William Pace mentions in his will of 1845 a daughter Sally Davis and also a daughter Sally Shaw. F xi Mary PACE. M xii Gideon PACE. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents Roy, I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?) The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b. In this case 12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch of the family. The other participant from this line (#16218) through William and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), but this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey Pace and the participant. We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, William Richard, and Gideon. Between the three sets of results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 matching DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers 13-25 matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines. These three results place this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PM This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) group, but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that they will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there is also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's possible parentage-look for the link. Rebecca might have some commentary on this line???? http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm and scroll to the bottom of the chart. Click the kit numbers if you want to see the lineages. Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The Information below may be of interest -- The Will of William Pace and a list of his children William PACE was born abt 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC. He died 1845 in Montgomery County, Tennessee. William married Sisley WALKER, The Last documents that mention Sisley is about 1776. He may have Married Ann Cain before 1889. He had about 11 children 8-Sons Dempsey, Joel, Alsy, William Jr, , GIDEON, Hardy C., Henning, John,-- 3- Daughters- Patience, Martha (Patsy), Sarah(Sally), Will of William Pace, Sr. This copy of the Last Will and Testament of William Pace, Sr. has been transcribed by me from a photo static copy of the original. The original is listed in the 1845 Montgomery County, TN Will Book, Vol. J, page 453. The will was written on Nov. 6, 1829 and presumably probated in 1845. Where the text is illegible, asterisks have been inserted. A copy of the original will can be obtained from the Tennessee State Library & Archives. The Will follows. In the name of God Amen, I William Pace of Robertson County being of sound and perfect mind and memory blessed be God in this 6th Day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine make and publish this my last Will & Testament in manner(?) following that is to say. First I give and bequeath unto Daughter Patience Williams & to my son Joel Pace and to the heirs of Patsy Harris all my land and stock and household & kitchen furniture & plantation utensils except one hundred Dollars that my son Hardy C. Pace is to have out of the above mentioned (?) property to them & their heirs forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my daughter Sally Davis & unto my son Henning Pace and unto my son William Pace & unto my son John Pace & unto my son Hardy C. Pace & unto my daughter Sally Shaw and unto my son Dempsey Pace all my negroes and their increase Namely Ferriby Peter Judy Write Lewis Jincy & Critty to be equally divided between my children above mentioned (?) to wit Sally Davis, Henning Pace, William Pace, John Pace, Hardy C. Pace & Sally Shaw & Dempsey Pace to them and their heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Granddaughter Sissity (Sissily?) McGraw one dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandson Uriah McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my granddaughter Elizabeth McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my grandson Archibald McGraw one Dollar to him & his heirs & assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Mary McGraw one Dollar to her & her heirs and assigns forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my grandson Christopher S Pace one Dollar to him & his heirs and assigns forever. Item To grandson Edmund A. Pace and To son Gideon Pace each to have $1.00. And I hereby make & ordain my son Hardy C. Pace & John Davis Executers of this my last Will & Testament revoking all wills by me heretofore made in writing whereof. I the said William Pace have to this my last Will & Testament set my hand and seal this day & year above written. Signed sealed published and [Signature neatly written: William Pace & Seal] Declared by the said William Pace the Testator as his last Will & Testament in the presence Of us who were present at the time Of signing sealing thereof *** *** The 1830 Robertson County, TN Federal census, p 376, shows on Line 2, Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/1/0/0/0/0/1/0/0//02/1/0/0/1/0/0/ ~~~ 1 male 20-30 [1800-1820] 2 females 5-10 [1820-1825] 1 male 80-90 [1740-1750] 1 female 10-15 [1815-1820] 1 female 30-40 [1790-1800] There is a slave schedule as well, showing a total of 7 slaves. 1/2/0/0/0/0//2/1/0/1/0/0// 1 male under 10 2 females under 10 2 males 10-24 1 female 10-24 1 female 30-40 The 1820 Robertson County census shows Pace, William, Sr. 0/0/0/0/0/1//0/0/0/1/0/ 1 male over 45 [<1775] 1 female 26-45 [1775-1794] The 1830 census may overstate Williams age. More likely he was between 70 and 80. However, Bruce Howard, in his book Our Colonial Ancestors ,states that William was born about the year 1745 in Edgecombe Co. (now Halifax Co.) NC. This estimate is consistent with the census record. A Pace Society Bulletin, Vol. I gives his birth date as 1746-48. His wife is not mentioned in either the 1830 census or his will. She may not be in the 1820 census. Thus, she may have died before 1820. William Pace, Sr. bought his land in TN in 1803, but probably arrived earlier. According to Howard p. 329, William sold 101 acres on the North of the Tar River on the Great Branch in Franklin Co., NC on 9/16/1794 to David Jarnegan. He sold 444 acres (adjacent location) to Henry G. Williams on 9/6/1802, Howard pp 119-120. In TN in 1809, William purchased from Joseph Choate 100 acres of land. The deed was proved in open court by the oath of John David and Joel Pace. Signed: James R. Pace They had the following children: M i Dempsey PACE was born about 1786 and died after 1870. F ii Patience PACE. M iii Joel PACE. M iv Patsy PACE died before 1845. M v Hardy C. PACE. F vi Sally PACE. M vii Henning PACE. M viii William PACE. M ix John PACE. F x Sarah? PACE. William Pace mentions in his will of 1845 a daughter Sally Davis and also a daughter Sally Shaw. F xi Mary PACE. M xii Gideon PACE. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents Roy, I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?) The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b. In this case 12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch of the family. The other participant from this line (#16218) through William and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), but this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey Pace and the participant. We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, William Richard, and Gideon. Between the three sets of results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 matching DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers 13-25 matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines. These three results place this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PM This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) group, but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that they will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there is also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's possible parentage-look for the link. Rebecca might have some commentary on this line???? http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm and scroll to the bottom of the chart. Click the kit numbers if you want to see the lineages. Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Roy: The 3b DNA are made up of four groups: John m. Sarah Richard m. Elizabeth (depending on how you list Stephen) Jesse/Polly William m. Sisley Walker We had John Pace m. Ann Russell here at first, but the newest tests show that they are 3a DNA which makes more sense based on the records as well. I'm not sure whether those have been posted yet. I've had no luck yet with researching the John Ashley Pace line, but I am looking at it. We don't know exactly how the four groups relate, but William first shows up in Edgecombe County, North Carolina (other than the property involving his wife in Halifax) - where Richard & John moved when they left Prince George, Virginia. There are several ways to argue William's parents - younger sibling of Richard & John, etc. Jesse first shows up in the Surry County, NC tax records. All of which coincides with the original research by Mehrkens for the Pace Society: Richard m. Mary's Sons: 1. George (wife unknown) - 3b DNA (but this is where we are waiting the results of the Bignal Pace descendant. Last I knew the culture was being re-done. Bignal is most likely a son of Francis of Prince George/Dinwiddie.) 2. John m. Elizabeth (prob. Lowe) descendants - 3a DNA 3. Richard m. Rebecca - 3a DNA 4. James (wife unknown) - 3a DNA - through the John Pace m. Ann Russell line. James moved from Prince George to Brunswick, Virginia. Again not exactly sure how this group descends. James had to be born before 1677, and John (m. Ann Russell) is still living in 1816, so there are one or more generations between James and John. A test on Buckner Pace from Wake County, North Carolina's descendants would certainly help with this, but I don't know anyone at present working on this line. The main theory has been Francis as a son of James, but we need the results of Bignal's line. Francis appears records wise to line up with the 3b DNA (George descendants) as Francis is in Prince George at the same time Richard & John before they move to Edgecombe. Francis moved from Prince George to Dinwiddie/Petersburg. James went to Brunswick. There are no records I know of putting Francis in Brunswick. 5. Thomas - no known descendants. Val -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> > Maybe I'm the one missing something, but here's what I saw: > > In the chart, nearly all of the 3b people are designated as JP-SB, or > lineage to John + Sarah ("John the tory"); the others are unsure. But none > of the William-Sicely three even speculates a connection with John, although > their DNA matches with the JP-SB people. > > The "interesting study" is trying to figure out what this means. Perhaps > they are descended from a brother or relative of John, or perhaps if records > could be found, all of the speculation is wrong and they are descended from > John. > > The last submitter included some good speculation with records cited. You > can see what he sent by clicking on his link in the chart, which will take > you to the donors page, and at the bottom of his lineage is a link to his > comments. > > All I am saying is that we have a new puzzle, a DNA match that does not > corroborate with the documentary records although it does not contradict > those records. > > Is there something wrong with this reasoning? I am aware that you have > studied DNA more deeply than I have. My contribution to Pace genealogy has > not been in the research field, but rather in bringing people together, > first through the Pace Network and now through the DNA study. > > I don't know whether you are aware of it or not, but Gordon of Canada first > found his Pace relatives in England through the Pace Network, which enabled > him to do the research back to George Pace in Shropshire, and then in the > DNA, his match with John of M descendents gave us the best candidate for > John's origin (George's brother John b. 1665). It makes me happy to perform > this kind of service. I like it better than original research. > > I don't know why Jack Pace, in his article in the latest bulletin, does not > at least give mention to John b. 1665 Shropshire as the best candidate for > John of M. > > Roy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Rebecca Christensen > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents > > Roy, > I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the > new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?) > The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only > tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous > participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but > also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b. In this case > 12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch of > the family. The other participant from this line (#16218) through William > and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), but > this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey > Pace and the participant. We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three > lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, > William Richard, and Gideon. Between the three sets of > results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA > results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 matching > DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers 13-25 > matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines. These three results place > this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a > perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. > > Rebecca Christensen > > > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PMMa > > This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three > donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA > evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) group, > but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. > > The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and > all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. > > I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that they > will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there is > also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's possible > parentage-look for the link. > > Rebecca might have some commentary on this line???? > > http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm and scroll to the bottom of the > chart. Click the kit numbers if you want to see the lineages. > > Roy Johnson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 > 2:59 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message
Thanks, Rebecca. I think my problem was that in the early going, I used JP-SB to identify all whose DNA matched this line, and I need to go in and change that. While we were working out our first objective (John of Middlesex-Richard of Jamestown), I didn't pay a lot of attention to group 3, allowing the donors to make their own submissions, as I still do. I think I designated everyone who matched as JP-SB but I need to change that JP-SB designation, as it obviously isn't appropriate, and just go with the yellow column at right that uses the most recent proven common ancestor of the submitters. The database has grown and spread out like a house with wings added as time goes on, and it can get confusing. Thanks for the suggestions and the information. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents As has been mentioned by others, specifically see Val's e-mail, John Pace of Surry (wife Sarah) is not the "founder" of Group 3b. Group 3b originated with an earlier Pace than John Pace, probably George Pace, son of Richard and Mary. In that context, all three results for the William Pace-Sicely Walker descendants are part of the larger Group 3b and their results do not suggest that they are necessarily descended from John Pace nor a brother of his. The DNA results do not "say JP-SB" but says Group 3b. It just happens that we have quite a few participants that are descendants of John Pace of Surry and his wife Sarah, but that doesn't mean that everyone in Group 3b needs to share close ties with him in particular, although they do share a common ancestor, probably George Pace. As Val mentioned and this is an important point, the Pace DNA project results in many instances show support for the conclusions of the earlier Pace Society researchers including Marion Mehrkens and in several instances has disproven the theories of Bruce Howard as published in his book. It is really hard to get all of the wrong information that was introduced to the internet when the book was published out of circulation. For those interested, the earlier published research conclusions of Mehrkens is available in the members section of the Pace Society website in the earlier Bulletins. Rebecca Christensen --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:57 AM Maybe I'm the one missing something, but here's what I saw: In the chart, nearly all of the 3b people are designated as JP-SB, or lineage to John + Sarah ("John the tory"); the others are unsure. But none of the William-Sicely three even speculates a connection with John, although their DNA matches with the JP-SB people. The "interesting study" is trying to figure out what this means. Perhaps they are descended from a brother or relative of John, or perhaps if records could be found, all of the speculation is wrong and they are descended from John. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 9:57 AM
This posting came thru many of the NC mailing lists: 1. Free Small Books online (Doris Christian) Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:19:45 -0500 From: Doris Christian <[email protected]> Subject: [NCMECKLE] Free Small Books online DMK Heritage ( my commercial site) has put up a "Free Small Books" section and it includes: Marriage Bonds of Tryon County NC from 1769-1870. Annals and Parish Register of St. Thomas - St. Denis SC Lunenburg County, Va. Wills 1746-1825 St. James Church, Goose Creek, SC 1706-1909 Frederick Parish, Va. 1744-1780, Churches, Chapels, etc. Friends Records of Births and Deaths, Cane Creek, NC Marriage Notices in SC & American General Gazette Chronicles of St. Mark?s Parish Santee Circuit Williamsburg Township, SC. History of Overton County, Tenn. by Goodpasture. Vestry of St. Matthew?s Parish, SC 1769-1838 History of Grandal Shoals (Cherokee & Union Co., SC Reminiscences of Early Settlements & Settlers of McNairy Co., Tenn. by Gen. Marcus Wright Revolutionary Soldiers and Sailors for Northampton Co., VA French & Swiss Protestants in Charleston the Santee, SC Naturalization Records 1695-96 Virginia Wills Before 1799 by Wm. M. Clemens Penn. Marriages Prior to 1799 History of Marion Co., W. VA. by0 Geo. A. Dunnington They are pdf files. They are not indexed or searchable like the CDs we sell but most are in alphabetical order. http://www.dmkheritage.com/store/ go to "Free Small Books" in red in the middle of the page, click on the word "here" ......then follow the directions. And, I would love to know if you have a "find". Doris ____________________________________________________________ Visa, MasterCard, AMEX & Discover. Compare Offers & Apply Online. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2Oq35e1kMHPqsvwvu81NrXuZT4RmePHfzbt4CvTsWMmkweT/
I should have said "As Val and John mentioned" Rebecca --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> wrote: As Val mentioned and this is an important point, the Pace DNA project results in many instances show support for the conclusions of the earlier Pace Society researchers including Marion Mehrkens and in several instances has disproven the theories of Bruce Howard as published in his book. It is really hard to get all of the wrong information that was introduced to the internet when the book was published out of circulation. For those interested, the earlier published research conclusions of Mehrkens is available in the members section of the Pace Society website in the earlier Bulletins. Rebecca Christensen
As has been mentioned by others, specifically see Val's e-mail, John Pace of Surry (wife Sarah) is not the "founder" of Group 3b. Group 3b originated with an earlier Pace than John Pace, probably George Pace, son of Richard and Mary. In that context, all three results for the William Pace-Sicely Walker descendants are part of the larger Group 3b and their results do not suggest that they are necessarily descended from John Pace nor a brother of his. The DNA results do not "say JP-SB" but says Group 3b. It just happens that we have quite a few participants that are descendants of John Pace of Surry and his wife Sarah, but that doesn't mean that everyone in Group 3b needs to share close ties with him in particular, although they do share a common ancestor, probably George Pace. As Val mentioned and this is an important point, the Pace DNA project results in many instances show support for the conclusions of the earlier Pace Society researchers including Marion Mehrkens and in several instances has disproven the theories of Bruce Howard as published in his book. It is really hard to get all of the wrong information that was introduced to the internet when the book was published out of circulation. For those interested, the earlier published research conclusions of Mehrkens is available in the members section of the Pace Society website in the earlier Bulletins. Rebecca Christensen --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:57 AM Maybe I'm the one missing something, but here's what I saw: In the chart, nearly all of the 3b people are designated as JP-SB, or lineage to John + Sarah ("John the tory"); the others are unsure. But none of the William-Sicely three even speculates a connection with John, although their DNA matches with the JP-SB people. The "interesting study" is trying to figure out what this means. Perhaps they are descended from a brother or relative of John, or perhaps if records could be found, all of the speculation is wrong and they are descended from John.
Roy This is not my line but William and Sicely Walker Pace were originally thought to be a descendents of John and Elizabeth Lowe? Pace line. This lineage was based on Bruce Howard's theories. [refer to John Pace DNA chart #1]. DNA evidence, in my opinion has disproven this. The PSA bulletins give a different lineage for William & Siceley Walker Pace which suggests William was descended from John's brother, George Pace who remained in Charles City/ Prince George Co, VA and never came to NC as far as anyone knows. This lineage is reflected in John Pace chart #2 and it is the most likely line of descent for William. Although William's father is unproven, just as the father of my Jesse Pace remains unproven, it is my opinion that DNA evidence places these families as descendents of George Pace of Charles City Co, VA. It is also my opinion that the the 2 marker mutation between Group 3a and Group 3b occurred at this George Pace, brother to John, James, Richard & Thomas in the Aycock letter. Discussions welcome. Another lineage theory of Bruce Howard's disproven by DNA is the line of George Pace who migrated to Clay co KY about 1807. John Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents Maybe I'm the one missing something, but here's what I saw: In the chart, nearly all of the 3b people are designated as JP-SB, or lineage to John + Sarah ("John the tory"); the others are unsure. But none of the William-Sicely three even speculates a connection with John, although their DNA matches with the JP-SB people. The "interesting study" is trying to figure out what this means. Perhaps they are descended from a brother or relative of John, or perhaps if records could be found, all of the speculation is wrong and they are descended from John. The last submitter included some good speculation with records cited. You can see what he sent by clicking on his link in the chart, which will take you to the donors page, and at the bottom of his lineage is a link to his comments. All I am saying is that we have a new puzzle, a DNA match that does not corroborate with the documentary records although it does not contradict those records. Is there something wrong with this reasoning? I am aware that you have studied DNA more deeply than I have. My contribution to Pace genealogy has not been in the research field, but rather in bringing people together, first through the Pace Network and now through the DNA study. I don't know whether you are aware of it or not, but Gordon of Canada first found his Pace relatives in England through the Pace Network, which enabled him to do the research back to George Pace in Shropshire, and then in the DNA, his match with John of M descendents gave us the best candidate for John's origin (George's brother John b. 1665). It makes me happy to perform this kind of service. I like it better than original research. I don't know why Jack Pace, in his article in the latest bulletin, does not at least give mention to John b. 1665 Shropshire as the best candidate for John of M. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents Roy, I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?) The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b. In this case 12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch of the family. The other participant from this line (#16218) through William and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), but this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey Pace and the participant. We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, William Richard, and Gideon. Between the three sets of results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 matching DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers 13-25 matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines. These three results place this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PMMa This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) group, but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that they will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there is also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's possible parentage-look for the link. Rebecca might have some commentary on this line???? http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm and scroll to the bottom of the chart. Click the kit numbers if you want to see the lineages. Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hello list, Pardon this for being a little off subject, but I'm wondering if there are any other ancestry.com users that ONLY have the US Deluxe membership (not World Deluxe). I'm having a little disagreement with ancestry.com about one of their databases working correcting, and I'm looking for another US Deluxe member to help me prove my point (by not being able to access a database they say I should be able to see with US Deluxe). If you can help, please shoot me an email. I now return you to your regularly scheduled PACE emails... Thanks. Scott