I found this on another mailing list. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gailwebbpsyd Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.hall/7216.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The original inquiry is a very old post, so I realize this response may not be seen. I don't have a great deal of information but I am descended from Hosea Farmer Hall. Hosea was a farmer and had a large blacksmith shop in Jackson County, Alabama. He married Mary Pace, daughter of William Henry Pace Jr. William Henry Jr. was the son of William Henry Pace Sr., a soldier of the American Revolution in Virginia (I have seen claims that he was in Washington's Guard--do not know the accuracy of this). I am not a genealogist but you can find some information about the Halls the casey genealogy website (www.rcasey.net). It is somewhat extensive (from this non-researcher's perspective). Good luck! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on college degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1U6Se6YCODJCG3oaI5Mf9IEt2p6j4HXHO4nrFiKWLMPhf4E/

For PACE #12269 (ysearch DWFZK) & #137170 (ysearch R53KQ) the brick wall has a huge crack! For nearly 5 years I've agonized over my husband Jerry's DNA failure to match *any* PACES. Though there werre neighboring PACES in Maury & Perry & Humphreys counties, TN, the DNA evidence said they were not related. Jerry's ancestor Joachim L. Pace had 2 wives & Jerry (#12269) was the product of the 1st. But I wondered: What about wife #2's kids? Finally after a few years of conjonlling, a 86 yr old "half 1st cousin 2 times removed" gave that precious sample, and BINGO! Cuz #137170 is 25//24 for seven PACES, including John W. PACE. And he is 25/23 for nine others, including Gordon William PACE. Although it looks like my husband is a non-genetic PACE, I will continue to search for his adoptive PACES' MRCA His earliest know ancestor was Thomas PACE (b ca1792 prob NC - d ca1868 Williamson Co, TN). He first appears in 1820 Maury Co, TN as "Thomas PASE" with 3 sons & 1 dau under 10, 1 dau 10-16 & a wife. If this is him, it brings in question the ca 1816 marriage bond to Catherine DONAHOO (Henry WEBSTER, Bondsman). She may have been a 2nd wife, or maybe he wasn't "PASE" Jackie Ashley PACE The Woodlands, TX http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ashley42 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ashley http://www.familytreedna.com/public/RICHEY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon W. Pace" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents > John: > > As a descendant of William Pace and Sicely Walker, I had accepted Bruce > Howard's argument that William was a son of the George Pace b. 1711 who m. > Patience Howell (although Bruce did not know Patience's surname). However > the DNA test results from descendants of William, including myself, seem > to prove that William could not have been a son of this George. Bruce > maintains that the George who you mentioned never married or had children. > Also he supposedly died decades before William was born. Nothing is > apparently known about him. Actually I don't think there is any evidence > to suggest that William's father was named George, so his parentage is a > complete mystery to me. But the DNA results indicate that he was closely > related to Richard Pace of Jamestown, and probably was a direct > descendant. > Gordon W. Pace > > -----Original Message----- >>From: John <[email protected]> >>Sent: Dec 5, 2008 1:23 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents >> >>Roy >> >>This is not my line but William and Sicely Walker Pace were originally >>thought to be a descendents of John and Elizabeth Lowe? Pace line. This >>lineage was based on Bruce Howard's theories. [refer to John Pace DNA >>chart >>#1]. DNA evidence, in my opinion has disproven this. The PSA bulletins >>give >>a different lineage for William & Siceley Walker Pace which suggests >>William >>was descended from John's brother, George Pace who remained in Charles >>City/ >>Prince George Co, VA and never came to NC as far as anyone knows. This >>lineage is reflected in John Pace chart #2 and it is the most likely line >>of >>descent for William. Although William's father is unproven, just as the >>father of my Jesse Pace remains unproven, it is my opinion that DNA >>evidence >>places these families as descendents of George Pace of Charles City Co, >>VA. >>It is also my opinion that the the 2 marker mutation between Group 3a and >>Group 3b occurred at this George Pace, brother to John, James, Richard & >>Thomas in the Aycock letter. Discussions welcome. >> >>Another lineage theory of Bruce Howard's disproven by DNA is the line of >>George Pace who migrated to Clay co KY about 1807. >> >>John Pace >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:57 AM >>Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents >> >> >>Maybe I'm the one missing something, but here's what I saw: >> >>In the chart, nearly all of the 3b people are designated as JP-SB, or >>lineage to John + Sarah ("John the tory"); the others are unsure. But none >>of the William-Sicely three even speculates a connection with John, >>although >>their DNA matches with the JP-SB people. >> >>The "interesting study" is trying to figure out what this means. Perhaps >>they are descended from a brother or relative of John, or perhaps if >>records >>could be found, all of the speculation is wrong and they are descended >>from >>John. >> >>The last submitter included some good speculation with records cited. You >>can see what he sent by clicking on his link in the chart, which will take >>you to the donors page, and at the bottom of his lineage is a link to his >>comments. >> >>All I am saying is that we have a new puzzle, a DNA match that does not >>corroborate with the documentary records although it does not contradict >>those records. >> >>Is there something wrong with this reasoning? I am aware that you have >>studied DNA more deeply than I have. My contribution to Pace genealogy has >>not been in the research field, but rather in bringing people together, >>first through the Pace Network and now through the DNA study. >> >>I don't know whether you are aware of it or not, but Gordon of Canada >>first >>found his Pace relatives in England through the Pace Network, which >>enabled >>him to do the research back to George Pace in Shropshire, and then in the >>DNA, his match with John of M descendents gave us the best candidate for >>John's origin (George's brother John b. 1665). It makes me happy to >>perform >>this kind of service. I like it better than original research. >> >>I don't know why Jack Pace, in his article in the latest bulletin, does >>not >>at least give mention to John b. 1665 Shropshire as the best candidate for >>John of M. >> >>Roy >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf >>Of Rebecca Christensen >>Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents >> >>Roy, >>I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the >>new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?) >>The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only >>tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous >>participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but >>also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b. In this case >>12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch >>of >>the family. The other participant from this line (#16218) through William >>and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), >>but >>this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey >>Pace and the participant. We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three >>lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, >>William Richard, and Gideon. Between the three sets of >> results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA >>results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 >>matching >>DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers >>13-25 >>matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines. These three results >>place >>this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a >>perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. >> >>Rebecca Christensen >> >> >>--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> >>Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents >>To: [email protected] >>Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PMMa >> >>This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three >>donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA >>evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) >>group, >>but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. >> >>The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and >>all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. >> >>I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that >>they >>will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there >>is >>also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's >>possible >>parentage-look for the link. >> >>Rebecca might have some commentary on this line???? >> >>http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm and scroll to the bottom of the >>chart. Click the kit numbers if you want to see the lineages. >> >>Roy Johnson >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in >>the subject and the body of the message >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: 12/4/2008 >>2:59 PM >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in >>the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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John: As a descendant of William Pace and Sicely Walker, I had accepted Bruce Howard's argument that William was a son of the George Pace b. 1711 who m. Patience Howell (although Bruce did not know Patience's surname). However the DNA test results from descendants of William, including myself, seem to prove that William could not have been a son of this George. Bruce maintains that the George who you mentioned never married or had children. Also he supposedly died decades before William was born. Nothing is apparently known about him. Actually I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that William's father was named George, so his parentage is a complete mystery to me. But the DNA results indicate that he was closely related to Richard Pace of Jamestown, and probably was a direct descendant. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: John <[email protected]> >Sent: Dec 5, 2008 1:23 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents > >Roy > >This is not my line but William and Sicely Walker Pace were originally >thought to be a descendents of John and Elizabeth Lowe? Pace line. This >lineage was based on Bruce Howard's theories. [refer to John Pace DNA chart >#1]. DNA evidence, in my opinion has disproven this. The PSA bulletins give >a different lineage for William & Siceley Walker Pace which suggests William >was descended from John's brother, George Pace who remained in Charles City/ >Prince George Co, VA and never came to NC as far as anyone knows. This >lineage is reflected in John Pace chart #2 and it is the most likely line of >descent for William. Although William's father is unproven, just as the >father of my Jesse Pace remains unproven, it is my opinion that DNA evidence >places these families as descendents of George Pace of Charles City Co, VA. >It is also my opinion that the the 2 marker mutation between Group 3a and >Group 3b occurred at this George Pace, brother to John, James, Richard & >Thomas in the Aycock letter. Discussions welcome. > >Another lineage theory of Bruce Howard's disproven by DNA is the line of >George Pace who migrated to Clay co KY about 1807. > >John Pace > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:57 AM >Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents > > >Maybe I'm the one missing something, but here's what I saw: > >In the chart, nearly all of the 3b people are designated as JP-SB, or >lineage to John + Sarah ("John the tory"); the others are unsure. But none >of the William-Sicely three even speculates a connection with John, although >their DNA matches with the JP-SB people. > >The "interesting study" is trying to figure out what this means. Perhaps >they are descended from a brother or relative of John, or perhaps if records >could be found, all of the speculation is wrong and they are descended from >John. > >The last submitter included some good speculation with records cited. You >can see what he sent by clicking on his link in the chart, which will take >you to the donors page, and at the bottom of his lineage is a link to his >comments. > >All I am saying is that we have a new puzzle, a DNA match that does not >corroborate with the documentary records although it does not contradict >those records. > >Is there something wrong with this reasoning? I am aware that you have >studied DNA more deeply than I have. My contribution to Pace genealogy has >not been in the research field, but rather in bringing people together, >first through the Pace Network and now through the DNA study. > >I don't know whether you are aware of it or not, but Gordon of Canada first >found his Pace relatives in England through the Pace Network, which enabled >him to do the research back to George Pace in Shropshire, and then in the >DNA, his match with John of M descendents gave us the best candidate for >John's origin (George's brother John b. 1665). It makes me happy to perform >this kind of service. I like it better than original research. > >I don't know why Jack Pace, in his article in the latest bulletin, does not >at least give mention to John b. 1665 Shropshire as the best candidate for >John of M. > >Roy > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of Rebecca Christensen >Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:13 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents > >Roy, >I'm not sure why this is "emerging as an interesting study" based on the >new results for the William Pace/Sicely Walker line. (What am I missing?) >The new participant #134499, through William and Sicely's son Gideon only >tested 12 markers and they are a perfect match not only to the previous >participant through William and Sicely's son William Richard (#10683), but >also to the modal (most common) result for all of Group 3b. In this case >12 markers really isn't enough to tell us anything new about this branch of >the family. The other participant from this line (#16218) through William >and Sicely's son Alsey does have a DNA difference at DYS 390 (marker 2), but >this appears to have been a more "recent" change - somewhere between Alsey >Pace and the participant. We do now have 12 marker DNA results for three >lines of descent from William Pace and Sicely Walker - through Alsey, >William Richard, and Gideon. Between the three sets of > results, the results show that the father William Pace's 25 marker DNA >results are a perfect match to the Group 3b modal - with the 1st 12 matching >DNA marker results of the William Richard and Gideon lines and markers 13-25 >matching for the Alsey and William Richard lines. These three results place >this line solidly in Group 3b with the modal for these three results a >perfect match overall at 25 markers to the Group 3b modal. > >Rebecca Christensen > > >--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> >Subject: [PACE] William Pace-Sicely Walker descendents >To: [email protected] >Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:00 PMMa > >This small group is emerging as a very interesting study. There are three >donors now tracing different lineages back to William and Sicely. DNA >evidence relates them to the John Pace-Sarah ?Burgh? (John the Tory) group, >but their submitted lineages show no relationship to that group. > >The problem is that there is no documentation as to William's father, and >all before that seems to be speculation and circumstantial evidence. > >I have grouped these three at the bottom of the Group 3b chart so that they >will be together, and I have grouped them on the Donors page, where there is >also a link to some speculation by Charles R. Pace as to William's possible >parentage-look for the link. > >Rebecca might have some commentary on this line???? > >http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm and scroll to the bottom of the >chart. 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There are also some background articles on the PBS website at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pocahontas/ . On 12/16/08 5:15 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Betty, it's on our local Dallas TX channel 13 at 7 p.m. tonight...I surely would have missed it had you not informed. ~Kathlynn~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Betty, it's on our local Dallas TX channel 13 at 7 p.m. tonight...I surely would have missed it had you not informed. ~Kathlynn~

Thanks --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] TV -- Pocohontas & John Smith To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 3:51 AM My local PBS station in Norfolk, VA is tonight (12/16/08) showing a Nova presentation of the life of Pocohontas and John Smith at Jamestown, VA --8 to 9 PM. Perhaps your local affiliate has a different viewing time. You might be able to check on that by going to the TV guide web site: www.tvguide.com If that doesn't work, Google for TV guide magazine. Betty Pace ____________________________________________________________ Want fast fitness results? Click for free info, revolutionary products. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2aeofnIYOjm629MnK7Qm3ILV3znbClwjtOrmeHg2ptQuBAj/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My local PBS station in Norfolk, VA is tonight (12/16/08) showing a Nova presentation of the life of Pocohontas and John Smith at Jamestown, VA --8 to 9 PM. Perhaps your local affiliate has a different viewing time. You might be able to check on that by going to the TV guide web site: www.tvguide.com If that doesn't work, Google for TV guide magazine. Betty Pace ____________________________________________________________ Want fast fitness results? Click for free info, revolutionary products. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2aeofnIYOjm629MnK7Qm3ILV3znbClwjtOrmeHg2ptQuBAj/

Ella Mae Jackson Pace is of African American decent. Being in the Greenville Spartanburg, SC area her husband could have been a decendent of the Burrell Pace line. No other information available. Ricky Pace Spartanburg Co, SC www.sullivanbrosmortuary.com and posted in the Spartanburg Herald Journal at Goupstate.com on December 14, 2008. GREENVILLE, SC Ella Mae Jackson Pace, wife of Robert Lee Pace Sr., daughter of the late Willie & Annie Bell Jackson special daughter to the late Louella (Moore) Jackson passed December 10, 2008 at Oakmont East Nursing Home. Member of New Trinity Baptist Church, and retired employee with Marshall Farms. Survivors include: 2 Daughter: Robin Hawkins of Greenville, SC, Patricia Watson of Wellford, SC; 2 Sons: Willie (Rita) Pace of Travelers Rest, SC, Tommy Watson of Wellford, SC; 1 Sister: Lola K. Jackson of Lyman, SC; 1 Brother: Bernard Jackson of Lyman, SC; 13 Grandchildren, 20 Great Grandchildren. She was preceded in death by her son Robert Lee Pace Jr., a sister Daisy Mae Jackson (Wit) and a brother Sammie K. Jackson (Sam). Funeral Service Sunday Dec. 12, 2008 1:30pm at Sullivan Bros. Mortuary with burial in New Trinity Baptist Church Cemetery.

This Pace is of African American decent. Being in the Greenville Spartanburg, SC area her husband could have been a decendent of the Burrell Pace line. No other information available. Ricky Pace www.sullivanbrosmortuary.com and posted in the Spartanburg Herald Journal at Goupstate.com on December 14, 2008. GREENVILLE, SC Ella Mae Jackson Pace, wife of Robert Lee Pace Sr., daughter of the late Willie & Annie Bell Jackson special daughter to the late Louella (Moore) Jackson passed December 10, 2008 at Oakmont East Nursing Home. Member of New Trinity Baptist Church, and retired employee with Marshall Farms. Survivors include: 2 Daughter: Robin Hawkins of Greenville, SC, Patricia Watson of Wellford, SC; 2 Sons: Willie (Rita) Pace of Travelers Rest, SC, Tommy Watson of Wellford, SC; 1 Sister: Lola K. Jackson of Lyman, SC; 1 Brother: Bernard Jackson of Lyman, SC; 13 Grandchildren, 20 Great Grandchildren. She was preceded in death by her son Robert Lee Pace Jr., a sister Daisy Mae Jackson (Wit) and a brother Sammie K. Jackson (Sam). Funeral Service Sunday Dec. 12, 2008 1:30pm at Sullivan Bros. Mortuary with burial in New Trinity Baptist Church Cemetery.

Hi Roy, Sorry for all the confusion. I'll give you the lineage starting we myself. James E. Pace b.3/27/1943, myself William F. Pace b.6/19/1909, Providence,R.I d.7/27/1966, Providence,R.I Charles Stanley Pace b.7/26/1879, Halifax, Nova Scotia d.11/2/1936, Providence,R.I. Robert Thomas Pace b.1/6/1847, Halifax, N.S. d.10/4/1925, Halifax, N.S. Ebenezer Pace, b.1/28/1809, Halifax, N.S. d.3/6/1883, Halifax, N.S. Thomas Pace b.ca 1775, possibly Georgia d. n/a James Pace b.ca 1724, n/a d.ca 1784, St. Augustine, Fla. Richard Pace IV b.ca 1699, Bladen Co., N.C. d.ca 1775, Georgia Richard Pace III b.ca 1655/1675 d.ca 1738, Bertie Pec., N.C. Richard Pace II b.ca 1637 d.11/17/1677 George Pace b.ca 1609, Wapping, England d.ca 1655 Richard Pace I b.ca1585 d.ca 1627 Pleas let me know of any corrections or updates. Yours, James E. Pace Dec 13, 2008 10:55:43 PM, [1][email protected] wrote: Thanks. I copied the wrong Jim Pace's lineage into the database. This gets confusing when you have several of the same name. I made the correction. I don't post names of living but I have lost the generations before William F. I assume he is your grandfather, and I have you, but skip your father. Can you fill that in for me? Results take 4-6 weeks. Roy -----Original Message----- From:[2][email protected][mailto:[3][email protected]] On Behalf Of jimp343 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:02 PM To: [4][email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Lost funding request Hi Roy,Will My name is Jim Pace and I submitted the lineage in the message below. The dna kit I received was #140013. I mailed the kit back a little over a week ago. Hope to hear from you soon. Yours, Jim Pace [5][email protected] Dec 11, 2008 10:24:48 PM, [1][6][email protected] wrote: Gordon T Pace (Canada) just sent me an email about a funding request that I posted on 10/28. I had a lot of things going at that time and I have lost track of where it came from. It looks to me like there may have been three funding requests about then and we funded two, kist 134499 and 140013, neither of which submitted this lineage. If the requester is on the list, please respond. This a good lineage for us to have with the Canada connection. I have searched all emails at about that time and cannot find the sender of this lineage. Can anyone help/ Roy Johnson Here's what I found from the Pace list-GTP: [PACE] MORE FUNDING NEEDED 28/10/2008 The last funding request that I submitted was quickly filled and we have $89 toward the next, which is good, because I have another candidate with this lineage: William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 d. 7/27/66 Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada d. 3/6/1885 Canada Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 d. James Pace b. ca 1724 d. ca 1784 Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 d. ca 1775 Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 d. ca 1738 Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 d. 11/17/1677 George Pace b. ca 1609 d. ca 1655 Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 d. ca 1627 We need at least $128 for a 25 marker, which is the lowest that I recommend for meaningful results. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2][7][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:[8][email protected] 2. mailto:[9][email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [11]http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1845 - Release Date: 12/12/2008 9:02 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [12][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. mailto:[email protected] 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. mailto:[email protected] 9. mailto:[email protected] 10. mailto:[email protected] 11. http://www.avg.com/ 12. mailto:[email protected]

Thanks. I copied the wrong Jim Pace's lineage into the database. This gets confusing when you have several of the same name. I made the correction. I don't post names of living but I have lost the generations before William F. I assume he is your grandfather, and I have you, but skip your father. Can you fill that in for me? Results take 4-6 weeks. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jimp343 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Lost funding request Hi Roy,Will My name is Jim Pace and I submitted the lineage in the message below. The dna kit I received was #140013. I mailed the kit back a little over a week ago. Hope to hear from you soon. Yours, Jim Pace [email protected] Dec 11, 2008 10:24:48 PM, [1][email protected] wrote: Gordon T Pace (Canada) just sent me an email about a funding request that I posted on 10/28. I had a lot of things going at that time and I have lost track of where it came from. It looks to me like there may have been three funding requests about then and we funded two, kist 134499 and 140013, neither of which submitted this lineage. If the requester is on the list, please respond. This a good lineage for us to have with the Canada connection. I have searched all emails at about that time and cannot find the sender of this lineage. Can anyone help/ Roy Johnson Here's what I found from the Pace list-GTP: [PACE] MORE FUNDING NEEDED 28/10/2008 The last funding request that I submitted was quickly filled and we have $89 toward the next, which is good, because I have another candidate with this lineage: William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 d. 7/27/66 Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada d. 3/6/1885 Canada Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 d. James Pace b. ca 1724 d. ca 1784 Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 d. ca 1775 Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 d. ca 1738 Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 d. 11/17/1677 George Pace b. ca 1609 d. ca 1655 Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 d. ca 1627 We need at least $128 for a 25 marker, which is the lowest that I recommend for meaningful results. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1845 - Release Date: 12/12/2008 9:02 AM

Sorry, I didn't intend for the previous email to reach the list. Gord Pace, Ontario

Hi Jim, Thanks for answering Roy's post. I take it you live in the US. I've added details of your lineage below based on Don Pace's book. I met Don Pace at Beaumont, Alberta few years ago. Don's originally from Dartmouth, near Halifax, Nova Scotia. He did a lot of work on this lineage. You probably know of him. I'm not connected to this lineage, as a Pace, but am interested in it. I lived in Nova Scotia myself when very young, early 1940s. If you're interested, there's a photo of me and my Bennett relatives http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/bennett.htm taken about 1943. There is a PACE family living on the same rural road near Wallace, Nova Scotia. My mother was a Bennett who married Thomas Henry Pace in England during the war, around 1939. My father worked for A.V.Roe on Lancaster bombers at Castle Bromwich, Birmingham so my mother brought me to Canada. Since coal mining, etc. was in my ancestry and Cape Breton had coal miners with surnames that connected with PACE of the parish in England where my ancestry took place, it's possible some of the many PACE names of Cape Breton may be from my ancestry too. I'm trying to get to know some of the PACE folk of Nova Scotia to learn more of the PACE history, from there. If you're interested, I'll try and include the mutual info I can learn and work with the other Pace researchers of Nova Scotia. I'm informed by a close friend from the province of Newfoundland that there are many PACE folk in Newfoundland too. This probably brings up another chapter of history as Edward Bennett of the James River Isle of Wight plantation was involved with the early establishment of the fishing industry of Newfoundland. Somewhere on this hard drive, I have a complete book by James Bennett Bodey on this subject. I've always been interested in industrial history but this is enough for now. If you're interested in more on this research, keep in touch. Gord Pace in Ontario jimp343 wrote: > Hi Roy, > My name is Jim Pace and I submitted the lineage in the message below. > The dna kit I received was #140013. I mailed the kit back a little over a > week ago. Hope to hear from you soon. > Yours, > Jim Pace > [email protected] > > Dec 11, 2008 10:24:48 PM, [1][email protected] wrote: > > Gordon T Pace (Canada) just sent me an email about a funding request that > I > posted on 10/28. I had a lot of things going at that time and I have lost > track of where it came from. It looks to me like there may have been three > funding requests about then and we funded two, kist 134499 and 140013, > neither of which submitted this lineage. > If the requester is on the list, please respond. This a good lineage for > us > to have with the Canada connection. I have searched all emails at about > that > time and cannot find the sender of this lineage. Can anyone help/ > Roy Johnson > Here's what I found from the Pace list-GTP: > [PACE] MORE FUNDING NEEDED > 28/10/2008 > The last funding request that I submitted was quickly filled and we have > $89 toward the next, which is good, because I have another candidate with > this lineage: > William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 > d. 7/27/66 > Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada > d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Charles seems to fit below, in the family of 9 4-8 Robert Thomas PACE - b. 1847 a policeman in Halifax + Sarah FRASER 6 Jan 1874 * 10 5-10 Anne (stillborn) * 10 5-11 Anne (died shortly after birth) * 10 5-12 Joseph Franklyn b. 16 Oct 1874 * 10 5-13 Eva Nora b. 7 Jun 1876 * 10 5-14 Charles Stanley b. 26 Jul 1879 d. 2 Nov 1936 * 10 5-15 Bessie b. 1887 * 10 5-16 James Herbert b. 1888 * 10 5-17 John Robert b. 13 June 1889 d. 18 July 1964 * 10 5-18 Hesse Welsford Dawson b. 28 Sep 1893 d. 3 Nov 1951 * 10 5-19 Mary * 10 5-20 Sarah > Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada > d. 3/6/1885 Canada # 8 3-7 Ebenezer PACE - 1809-1885 http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/lineage0009.htm He was a shoemaker, lived at Haggets (now Hacketts) Cove. A Methodist, he led the singing in the William Black Memorial Church in Glen Margaret when it was first erected - Buried Glen Margaret Cemetery. + Elizabeth ISNOR - m Dec 28, 1831. (B.6 Apr 1813) * 9 4-5 William T PACE b. 1834 d. 22 Nov 1908 + Catherine REDMOND 28 Dec 1858 o 10 5-7 Anna E. PACE b. 1861 d. 27 Dec 1916 o 10 5-8 Joseph Lawson PACE b. 1863 d. 3 Mar 1937 o 10 5-9 Robert Wasson PACE b. 1866 d. 3 Mar 1937 * 9 4-6 Elizabeth PACE b. 28 May 1836 + ROBERTSON * 9 4-7 Mary Jane PACE b. 1840 +James Wellington FIELDING 10 Oct 1866. * 9 4-8 Robert Thomas PACE - b. 1847 a policeman in Halifax + Sarah FRASER 6 Jan 1874 o 10 5-10 Anne (stillborn) o 10 5-11 Anne (died shortly after birth) o 10 5-12 Joseph Franklyn b. 16 Oct 1874 o 10 5-13 Eva Nora b. 7 Jun 1876 o 10 5-14 Charles Stanley b. 26 Jul 1879 d. 2 Nov 1936 o 10 5-15 Bessie b. 1887 o 10 5-16 James Herbert b. 1888 o 10 5-17 John Robert b. 13 June 1889 d. 18 July 1964 o 10 5-18 Hesse Welsford Dawson b. 28 Sep 1893 d. 3 Nov 1951 o 10 5-19 Mary o 10 5-20 Sarah * 9 4-9 Eliza Ann PACE b. 1848 + George Crawford INNIS m 26 Feb 1877 * 9 4-10 Elijah PACE b. 1851 + Lenora McINNIS m 6 Sep 1881 o 10 5-21 Percy E PACE. b. 1886 o 10 5-22 Lester Welsford PACE b. 1890 o 10 5-23 June Irene PACE d. 1 Jul 1984 * 9 4-11 Matilda PACE b. 1853 No details * 9 4-12 Henrietta PACE b. 1854 d.1916 + Thomas GILES m 21 Feb 1906 > Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 > d. 7 Thomas PACE - went to NOVA SCOTIA in 1784 + Mary SMITH - m 27 Jan 1803 St. Pauls Church, Halifax http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/lineage0009.htm 8 3-7 Ebenezer PACE - 1809-1885 He was a shoemaker, lived at Haggets (now Hacketts) Cove. A Methodist, he led the singing in the William Black Memorial Church in Glen Margaret when it was first erected - Buried Glen Margaret Cemetery. + Elizabeth ISNOR - m Dec 28, 1831. (B.6 Apr 1813) > James Pace b. ca 1724 > d. ca 1784 * 6 JAMES PACE 1724-1784 + AURELIA DUPREE. James died St Augustine, Fla. His wife and children went to Nova Scotia with brother DARIUS http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/lineage0005.htm > Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 > d. ca 1775 5 RICHARD IV PACE - b 1699 Bladen Co. NC d 1775 + ELIZABETH CAIN m 1723 > Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 > d. ca 1738 4 RICHARD III PACE - b 1661 + REBECCA POYTHRESS http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/lineage0004.htm > Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 > d. 11/17/1677 > George Pace b. ca 1609 > d. ca 1655 > Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 > d. ca 1627 > We need at least $128 for a 25 marker, which is the lowest that I > recommend > for meaningful results. > -------------------------------

As Roy has been working on the Richard lineages for the Results page and I've been trying to sort out the results as well, using the Kit numbers from the test results, this is how I would read the results as of today with the major research issue being whether or not William Pace m. Sisley Walker can be a son of John & Sarah. This is just a current working hypothesis and certainly not definitively proven lines though some are. I'm starting with Richard & Mary. There are a lot of lines that need to be tested and a lot of research that still needs to be done. Only those lines that have DNA tests are listed here: 1. Richard m. Mary a. George Pace (wife unknown) - 3a DNA and 3b DNA i. Richard m. Sarah Woodliefe 1. Francis Pace (poss. m. Ann) a. Bignal Pace - 3a DNA 2. John m. Sarah - 3b DNA. John is born before 1738, but how much before is unknown. Jesse Pace descendants also match this DNA, but it is unclear how Jesse descends from John and Sarah though as John Pace has shown, Jesse first appears in Surry County, N.C.) a. William Pace m. Sisley Walker. Estimated he is born in 1747 [Note William shows up in the records near John & Richard above in Edgecombe County, North Carolina - He seems younger, but it is difficult to tell] i. Alsey Pace (Kit #16218) ii. William "Billy" Pace (Kit #10683) iii. Dempsey Pace (Kit #36220 - this is speculated that Wyche is descended from Dempsey. The evidence is not yet clear.) iv. Gideon Pace (Kit # 134499) b. Burwell i. Cornelius (Kit No. 6280) ii. Jonathan Pace (Kit #9852) iii. Daniel Kimsey Pace (Kit #13700, #127433) iv. Moses Pace (#76815) v. William? (Kit #88349 - note there is 66 year difference between William & Burrell on submitted lineage) c. Edmund i. David (Kit #26541) d. Moses i. Leander Pace (Kit #76815) e. Stephen Pace i. Alsey Pace (#19490) ii. Edmond Pace (Kit #21419) f. Unknown at present: i. Jesse - unknown how he descends from John & Sarah, but these are his known descendants. 1. Richmond Pace 3B DNA adds a marker here to 3b(2) DNA; Richmond's descendants have a variation denoted by the 3b(2) DNA marker a. John R. Pace 3b(2)DNA (Kit 13827) b. William Wright Pace 3b(2) DNA Kit #53888 2. Simeon Pace (Kit #7791) 3. John Pace (Kit #65302) b. John m. Elizabeth (Probably Elizabeth Lowe) - 3a DNA i. John m. Sarah 1. Thomas m. (probably Cebelle Matthews) a. Hardy Pace (Kit #10428) ii. George m. Obedience 1. William m. 1) Mary Evans 2) Jemima a. [William m. Ruth Lambert] i. Isaac Pace (Kit #6366, 128919, 132805) ii. James Pace (Kits #6429, 14155, 15548, 63672, 7833 b. George Pace (kit 55065, 20864) c. Richard Pace m. Rebecca - 3a DNA i. Richard m. Elizabeth Cain 1. Drury Pace m. Mary Bussey (Kit #6352) 2. Silas Pace (Kits #14184, 1418, probably #108957) 3. Barnabus Pace (Kit #119455) d. James Pace (wife unknown) - 3a DNA i. Unknown Pace at present 1. John Pace m. Ann Russell a. John Pace (Kit #131118) e. Thomas - no known issue 3a DNA: we have not found the lineage for these Kits #10265, 50592, 57109, 107999 3b DNA: we have not found lineage for these kits: #122167, #55000, #7811 Please let me know any errors you find in this. Val Tice Pace Society of America Historian & Archivist

Hi Roy, My name is Jim Pace and I submitted the lineage in the message below. The dna kit I received was #140013. I mailed the kit back a little over a week ago. Hope to hear from you soon. Yours, Jim Pace [email protected] Dec 11, 2008 10:24:48 PM, [1][email protected] wrote: Gordon T Pace (Canada) just sent me an email about a funding request that I posted on 10/28. I had a lot of things going at that time and I have lost track of where it came from. It looks to me like there may have been three funding requests about then and we funded two, kist 134499 and 140013, neither of which submitted this lineage. If the requester is on the list, please respond. This a good lineage for us to have with the Canada connection. I have searched all emails at about that time and cannot find the sender of this lineage. Can anyone help/ Roy Johnson Here's what I found from the Pace list-GTP: [PACE] MORE FUNDING NEEDED 28/10/2008 The last funding request that I submitted was quickly filled and we have $89 toward the next, which is good, because I have another candidate with this lineage: William F. Pace b. 6/9/09 d. 7/27/66 Charles S. Pace b. 7/26/1879 Canada d. 11/2/1936 U.S.A. Ebenezer Pace b. 1/28/1809 Canada d. 3/6/1885 Canada Thomas Pace b. ca 1775 d. James Pace b. ca 1724 d. ca 1784 Richard Pace IV b. ca 1699 d. ca 1775 Richard Pace III b. ca 1655/1675 d. ca 1738 Richard Pace II b. ca 1637 d. 11/17/1677 George Pace b. ca 1609 d. ca 1655 Richard Pace I b. ca 1585 d. ca 1627 We need at least $128 for a 25 marker, which is the lowest that I recommend for meaningful results. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected]

<< You disappoint me James. Oversimplification at best.>> A statement like that needs explaining. I am slowly learning about these groups; I am as I have emphasized mainly the keeper of the charts. Val and Rebecca know the lines much better. However, I believe we all have the right to hypothesize and James' hypothesis deserves considering and a reasoned rebuttal if there is disagreement. Such discussion is the only way we can arrive at rational conclusions. Here is my take: For me, I do not see how the fact that the different branches of group 3a match each other is evidence that they, and not 3b, are descendents of Richard and Isabella. Or perhaps both descend from Richard and Isabella, or maybe from one of the other two Richard Paces who were contemporary with "Richard II" or maybe there is a link somewhere back in England. I would much prefer to stop all of the lineages on the donors page short of "Richard II" but some donors have pleaded with me (out of family pride) to site their lineage all the way back to Richard and Isabella and I have complied. Maybe the DNA committee needs to come up with some sort of policy on this. We have not yet determined where the mutations between 3a and 3b happened, so it seems to me there is no way to tell how far back those mutations occurred. And it should be emphasized to all that we do not have documentary evidence for ANYONE back to Richard and Isabella, although surely some of the North Carolina Paces must be their descendents. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:00 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA results You disappoint me James. Oversimplification at best. John Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [PACE] DNA results > It seems to me the DNA results now fit together extremely well, and tell a > perfectly coherent story about the descendants of Richard and Isabella. > Not proved, of course, and due to the lost records it's impossible to be > sure exactly how the lines of descent work; but nevertheless it makes > sense. > > The 3a DNA is shared by (among others) the descendants of Richard (m. > Rebecca), the descendants of William (m. Ruth presumably Lambert), the > descendants of John (m. Ann Russell), and now, it seems, also by the > descendants of Bignal Pace. > > The simplest explanation of these results is that all of these descend > from Richard and Mary, and therefore from Richard and Isabella. > > In other words, the 3a line is the line of Richard and Isabella. > > Looks to me like the Pace DNA study has done it again. > > James Blair > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:58 PM

You disappoint me James. Oversimplification at best. John Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [PACE] DNA results > It seems to me the DNA results now fit together extremely well, and tell a > perfectly coherent story about the descendants of Richard and Isabella. > Not proved, of course, and due to the lost records it's impossible to be > sure exactly how the lines of descent work; but nevertheless it makes > sense. > > The 3a DNA is shared by (among others) the descendants of Richard (m. > Rebecca), the descendants of William (m. Ruth presumably Lambert), the > descendants of John (m. Ann Russell), and now, it seems, also by the > descendants of Bignal Pace. > > The simplest explanation of these results is that all of these descend > from Richard and Mary, and therefore from Richard and Isabella. > > In other words, the 3a line is the line of Richard and Isabella. > > Looks to me like the Pace DNA study has done it again. > > James Blair > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

There have been descendents of the many NOVA SCOTIA PACE ancestors (JAMES & DARIUS) on this list, some living in New England. I don't think the people will mind the request reaching the Pace list. Maybe someone can offer something. Somehow, I'd forgotten coal mining, smelters, railroads, etc. brought my PACE and related ancestors from where the Industrial Revolution took place in the west midlands of England to "elsewhere areas" where industries developed in the world. Some went to Poland with steam engines in early 1800s and desc. still there. In this Nova Scotia case, evidence is that surnames PITT, CORBETT show up. PACE is also there so I'm wondering if some are related. Here's the story from: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.pace/1944/mb.ashx Hi I am looking for Paces that are from Glace Bay, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. Or any of their descendant. My grandfather Ross Pace was a coal miner in Glace Bay. My great grandfather was killed in a coal mine. I do not have much information. I do know my granfather was born in Ecum Secum, Cape Breton. I have also been told that my family goes back to England, but that is the only information that i have. Any help would be appreciated. Thank You Bev I (GTP) wrote to Mildred Pace (Lower Sackville NS) who runs Stephen Pace's web site mainly about Paces of Ecum Secum and along the eastern coast of NS. I'll keep you informed. Have a look at http://www.geocities.com/stephenpace.geo/ but for me, please use [email protected] dial up internet loading is often a problem here GP This may be a bit off from what you're asking. I'm Gord Pace in Ontario from coal miner families of Staffordshire, UK. I've wondered if any Paces of Sidney/Glace Bay area, coal miners, are from my Paces of Staffordshire. I know main streets at Sidney are STAFFORD and PITT Streets. the CORBETT name is popular in Sidney phone book. This tells me Staffordshire coal miners were, or descendents are at Cape Breton. My ancestors came from SHARESHILL parish in South Staffordshire UK where PACE PITT and CORBETT families inter-married alot in the 1700s/1800s Have a look at my SHARESHILL web page http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/pitt.htm My grandfather was a coal miner and died at Lethbridge, Alberta where streets have Staffordshire names also. The same at Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania where coal mining went on. Anyway, maybe this is of interest. I'd like to know if any Cape Breton Paces are from my STAFFORDSHIRE lot. From Cape Breton, I've worked with Burkes, Aspinal. An aspinal was also killed in a mine disaster at Sidney NS. That name also goes back to the Shareshill parish in Staffordshire. Cheers, Gord Pace other areas - Toledo Ohio FRANCES EMILY PACE b 22 Aug 1869 Shareshill Staffordshire + GEORGE EMERY m Mar 1891 Bridgtown STS settled Toledo Ohio sons Joseph & Reginald - no sons, only daughters

DNA test can always help to verify documentary research. I encourage you to do that. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of debbie pace Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Bignal DNA test hi, Gordon did some research for me and I and my brother are direct descendants of Richard vs Isabella down through samuel m pace. my brother is samuel maurice pace III and his son is samuel maurice pace iv. would dna from either of them help? thanks. my names is jimmie deborah pace. our ancestor is smuel m pace jr our grandfather and great, great etc are samuel m pace sr, richard randall pace, dredzil evans pace, william pace, drury pace. these are all on my fathers side. i could ask my brother to do dna test. he doesnt know of pace soceity yet. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "val & jeff tice" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:36 AM Subject: [PACE] Bignal DNA test > I've received e-mails off the list, but I'm going to respond on the list > to > the issues raised by the results of the Bignal Pace DNA test. Prior to > that > test, the DNA results had come back as we had expected as follows: > > 1. Richard m. Isabella > a. George m. Sarah > i. Richard m. Mary > A. George Pace - 3b DNA > B. John Pace m. Elizabeth (prob. Lowe) - 3a DNA > C. Richard Pace m. Rebecca - 3a DNA > D. James Pace - 3a DNA > E. Thomas Pace - no known issue. > > But the Bignal test raises research issues whether you use the Pace > Society > research, Bruce's research or any other research I've seen. The problem > is > here: > > A. George Pace (or if using Bruce's research - James Pace) > a. Richard (poss. m. Sarah Woodlief) > i. Francis Pace (poss. m. Ann) > 1. Bignal - 3a DNA > ii. John Pace m. Sarah - 3b DNA > iii. Richard Pace m. Elizabeth - 3b DNA > > We can't have two 3b DNA lines off Richard and Sarah and one 3a DNA. Even > if I use later research and switch Stephen Pace to John Pace m. Sarah's > line, so that we don't have any descendants from Richard m. Elizabeth, > William Pace m. Sisley has also tested 3b DNA, and I'm not sure whether he > is young enough to be John & Sarah's son. If William is young enough, then > all the 3b DNA lines would be John m. Sarah descendants: > > A. George Pace (or if using Bruce's research - James Pace) > a. Richard Pace (poss. m. Sarah Woodlief) > i. Francis Pace > 1. Bignal - 3a DNA > ii. John Pace m. Sarah - 3b DNA (Jesse m. Polly would fall > somewhere here as John Pace has shown Jesse first appears in Surry County, > North Carolina) > 1. William Pace m. Sisley - 3b DNA > iii. Richard Pace m. Elizabeth - no one tested > > That would work with the DNA evidence, but I'm not so sure how well it > works > with the records. > > Val > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:58 PM

It seems to me the DNA results now fit together extremely well, and tell a perfectly coherent story about the descendants of Richard and Isabella. Not proved, of course, and due to the lost records it's impossible to be sure exactly how the lines of descent work; but nevertheless it makes sense. The 3a DNA is shared by (among others) the descendants of Richard (m. Rebecca), the descendants of William (m. Ruth presumably Lambert), the descendants of John (m. Ann Russell), and now, it seems, also by the descendants of Bignal Pace. The simplest explanation of these results is that all of these descend from Richard and Mary, and therefore from Richard and Isabella. In other words, the 3a line is the line of Richard and Isabella. Looks to me like the Pace DNA study has done it again. James Blair