17 March 1672/3 York County Inquisition on Escheated lands. Richd Pace on jury that finds Cornelius Johnatan dyed seized of 100 acres and land escheats for Johnathan left noe lawfull heires. The escheated land was granted 26 March 1674 to Daniel Wylde. Daniel Wylde/Wilde/Wild also patented land in York Co jointly with a Philip Chesley. Philip Chesley patented land jointly in York with Robert Wild also (Oct 1653, Nov 1652). A footnote in "Grammar and Mattey Practice and Model School" (Lyon G. Tyler; Wm. and Mary Qrtly., Vol. 4, No. 1) states: "In 1610 Lord Delaware appointed Mr. Daniel Tucker and Mr. Robert Wild clerks of the store at Jamestown. November 24, 1647, appraisement was made of Robert Wild's property in York County. Then in 1655 Robert and Daniel Wild were living in York County, the former of whom (perhaps the father) died before 1662 and left land in York County to the other. ... Captain Philip Chesley married Daniel Wild's sister, Margaret. His will, pr. in 1674, mentions uncle John Wild and cousin Henry Wild." Philip Chesley also patented land jointly in James City Co with Nicholas Meriwether (7 June 1655). This is the Nicholas Meriwether whose daughter Elizabeth married as her second husband Francis Clements (m. Lydia Blighton). Nich. Meriwether's widow married William Browne, see post with subject line "Multiple William Brownes". Nicholas Meriwether's daughter Jane (I can't be sure I'm not mixing up the generations) married Henry Hartwell, whose will proved 2 Aug 1699 names his Hartwell relatives. Hartwell was Clerk of the Council (1672 I think), Burgess (1677), a founding trustee of the College of W&M, and lots of other jobs for the boys. In "The Cradle of the Republic" pp78-79, Lyon G. Tyler describes some of the buildings of James City. Hartwell's home was next to William Edwards Jr, and next to him was the home of James Chudleigh. Chudleigh's wife Ann was Ann Holder, daughter of Richard Holder. Ann Holder married as her first husband William Briscoe Jr, son of the William Briscoe who married the relict of Richard Pace. Whew! The Richard Pace whose widow married William Briscoe Sr was perhaps the same person as the Richard Pace who sat on the jury escheating land for Chesley's brother-in-law Daniel Wild to patent. I wouldn't be surprised. James

Val, Thank you. And thank you for all you do for the Pace Society of America, and the history of the Pace family. Bob Pace On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:44 PM, val & jeff tice wrote: > Some of this discussion has been off list, but here are some > definitions > showing the difference between Dower and Dowry: > > Dower - the provision which the law makes for a widow out of the > lands or > tenements of her husband, for her support and the nurture of her > children > (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed) > > Dower Release/Release of Dower - an agreement which forfeited a > wife's right > to any of her deceased husband's land (dower) that he had sold to > another - > in some cases a widow was able to reclaim land that her husband had > acquired > in fee simple and subsequently sold, even 50 years after the sale, > unless > the buyer had acquired a dower release from the owner's wife (Concise > Genealogical Dictionary). [Note that many deeds have the wife sign > over her > dower right in any land at the time of the sale of the land so there > is no > question of a clear title to the land. Remember a dower is the > provisions > for support of a family, often widow and children, after the death > of a > husband and is different from a dowry. Widows were often entitled to > 1/3 of > the estate - personal and real - of the deceased husband which is > known as a > "dower right."] > > Dowry - The property which a woman brings to her husband in > marriage; now > more commonly called a "portion" (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed) > > > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > Of James Blair > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to > JesseBryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > > Then "Major" was his name, not his title. I wondered about that. > > I misinterpreted the 1779 record because (as has now been explained > to me) I > confused the term "dower" with the term "dowry". Apologies. > > James > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> >> Subject: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse > Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:23 PM >> I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: >> >> Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann >> Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy >> was >> apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. >> Nancy Ann had >> two >> brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father >> is unknown. >> Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of >> one of the >> brothers >> of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son >> of Henry >> Walker >> and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was >> bondsman for the >> marriage >> of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. >> >> I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother >> (Indian girl, >> mother of Alsey Pace). >> >> Betty Pace >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair >> <[email protected]> writes: >>> Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and >> Major Walker's >>> daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in >> the land that >>> was being sold. More than that I do not know. >>> >>> I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in >> the same area >>> as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which >> "Henning" occurs >>> as a given name), there could be some connection to >> William Pace of >>> Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his >> will written >>> 1829. But that's merely speculation. >>> >>> Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> From: Lois Long Carey >> <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace >> sell 160 acres >>> to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- >>>> To: [email protected], [email protected] >>>> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM >>>> Who is this Major Walker and what is the >> relationship( if >>>> any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also >> mentioned) >>>> >>>> >>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> * * * * * >>>> * * * >>>> >>>> Please note: My new email address is >> [email protected] >>>> Please remove [email protected] from your address >> books and >>>> files so that we can stay in touch! >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James >> Blair" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM >>>> Subject: [PACE] The name Henning >>>> >>>> >>>>> This may not be relevant but it seems >> interesting. >>>>> >>>>> While looking for information about Henning >> Pace, I >>>> came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard >> of before. >>>>> >>>>> I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte >> of >>>> Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the >> Virginia Mag. >>>> of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer >> does not >>>> know Tembte's origins but the surname, at >> least, >>>> doesn't seem to be English; >> "Henning" is a >>>> German name, I believe.) >>>>> >>>>> The article describes Tembte's move from >> Maryland >>>> to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. >> VA, where >>>> he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's >> daughter >>>> Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then >> Edmond >>>> Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married >> Richard Webb >>>> and, yes, named a son Henning. >>>>> >>>>> No reason so far to suppose that >> "Henning >>>> Pace" had anything to do with "Henning >>>> Tembte", but an interesting series of deed >> extracts was >>>> posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May >> 2001, tracing >>>> land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and >> Elizabeth his wife >>>> (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to >> John Bradford, >>>> and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my >> error if >>>> not) through several transactions to the deed of >> 1779 in >>>> which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 >> acres to Jesse >>>> Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann >> Pace, and Ann >>>> Pace relinquishes dower. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to >>>> [email protected] with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Right on time. 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from a family group sheet in my Walker notes. James Walker b. A pril 05, 1726 -King and Queen C o.VA son of Edward Walker and Mary Daniel Died December 18, 1801-Madison Co.Va Married Sarah Jane Ware b.Jan 31,1739/40 Died October 14, 1819- Madison Co.Va Children were: John Walker b. August 20, 1773 James Walker b. 1783 Betsy Walker b. October 22, 1768- Madison Co.vA M. Richard Booten from another researcher in Oct. 2006,posted on the Louisa co.list-Shirley in [email protected] Samuel Sims b. 1780m 1763 Fanny Walker 1780 Fanny Walker was the dau. of James Walker and Sarah Jane Ware who were married in 1762 Our branch comes from the sister of Fanny, Jane Walker who was born in 1775 and m. John Goss in 1808 Their son to whom we are kin is John Walker Goss born 1814 who married Eugenia Polydora Lewis in 1831 Their dau. was Jane Walker Goss and she married my husband's great-grandfather Joseph Hopson Carter. With the Carter's i hit a stone wall!! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

Betty Pace posted a quote from Gordon W.Pace in which he said that Major Walker, bondsman at the wedding was the son of Henry Walker and Judith Major. I would imagine his given name was " Major" and the only reason for his name,with no connection serving in a army or a honorary title. Anyone know more about him and his mother, Judith Major? Or his father,Henry Walker? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

In 1659, a James Pace attended the estate sale of John Marsh in York Co. VA; he bought a gun. Also present at the sale: Capt. Langley, Jeremiah Rawlings. [In 1683, Nicholas Ware patented 300 acres in New Kent County adj "land of Jeremiah Rawlins, decd". Nicholas Ware was a merchant and was related by marriage to the Vassall family. He is a forebear of the James Ware who is said to have married "Agnes Pace".] Fourteen years later, in 1673, also in York Co., "Mr" James Pace has died, and there is a dispute concerning his estate, and the estate of a Clement Marsh: 24 MAR 1673 William Major on behalf of Mr. James Pace, entered a claim against the estate of Clement Marsh for _16 10sh sterling. 25 MAY 1673 James Pace , deceased. General Court ordered that no judgements should pass against his estate, so ref granted in diff betw his estate and estate of Clement Marsh -- perhaps, or perhaps not, a relative of the John Marsh at whose estate sale James Pace bought a gun. Also of interest: a William MAJOR is acting on behalf of Mr. James Pace. So who was Clement Marsh? I don't know, but he evidently had a dispute, in 1672, with Robert Spring: 11 JAN 1671/2 Know all men that I Clement Marsh stand indebted to Mr. Robert Spring, _130, upon demand of his executors, administrators, or assigns. 27 FEB 1671/2 Clement Marsh confessed judgement to Mr. Robert Spring for _130 sterling. [24 OCT 1683 Judgement granted Mr. William Briscoe (who married the relict of a Richard Pace) agn Mrs. Ann Spring exr of Mr. Robert Spring.] But Clement Marsh's main claim to fame is that he married the widow of Joseph Croshaw, son of Raleigh Croshaw who arrived in 1608 on the Second Supply. "27 FEB 1671/2 Clement Marsh to marry Mary Croshaw, agrees Mary has full power and authorization after marriage to her real and personal property and to give to her children or otherwise." Attagirl. Joseph Croshaw had five wives; the last, who outlived him, was Mary PERHAPS Ballard. Mary PERHAPS Ballard marred (1) Thomas Broomfield (2) Joseph Croshaw and (3) Clement Marsh. Mary PERHAPS Ballard was PERHAPS sister of Thomas Ballard, later to be sheriff of York Co. The Ballards and the Langleys (Capt. Langley, who was present at the estate sale of John Marsh} and the Majors were all intermarried; it would be very interesting to know if the Judith Major who married Henry Walker in Granville Co NC was related to these Majors. Joseph Croshaw's daughter Unity married (in 1654) John West, son of the Governor. Their son Nathaniel West married the widow of Gideon Macon. [24 OCT 1679 Judgement granted unto Wm Briscoe adm of estate of Richard Pace decd agn Jno Vaden adm of estate of Nick Toop decd for payment of 48sh sterling with costs. John Vaden enters Gideon Macon his attorney.] These records seem to show that the James Pace who died in York Co in 1673, and the Richard Pace whose widow married William Briscoe had associates in common. I myself have not been able to arrive at a convincing hypothesis as to who James Pace might have been, what might have been his relationship (if any) to Richard Pace (relict m. Briscoe), or what, if any, might have been the relationship of any of them to Richard Pace m. Mary. James

Is there any information about the parents of either Henry Walker or Judith Major? Any documentation for the marriage of Henry Walker and Judith Major? Just trying to see where they came from. James --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: > > Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann > Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy > was > apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. > Nancy Ann had > two > brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father > is unknown. > Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of > one of the > brothers > of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son > of Henry > Walker > and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was > bondsman for the > marriage > of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. > > I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother > (Indian girl, > mother of Alsey Pace). > > Betty Pace > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair > <[email protected]> writes: > > Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and > Major Walker's > > daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in > the land that > > was being sold. More than that I do not know. > > > > I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in > the same area > > as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which > "Henning" occurs > > as a given name), there could be some connection to > William Pace of > > Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his > will written > > 1829. But that's merely speculation. > > > > Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. > > > > James > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Lois Long Carey > <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace > sell 160 acres > > to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > > > To: [email protected], [email protected] > > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM > > > Who is this Major Walker and what is the > relationship( if > > > any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also > mentioned) > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * > > > * * * > > > > > > Please note: My new email address is > [email protected] > > > Please remove [email protected] from your address > books and > > > files so that we can stay in touch! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James > Blair" > > > <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM > > > Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > > > > > > > > > > This may not be relevant but it seems > interesting. > > > > > > > > While looking for information about Henning > Pace, I > > > came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard > of before. > > > > > > > > I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte > of > > > Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the > Virginia Mag. > > > of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer > does not > > > know Tembte's origins but the surname, at > least, > > > doesn't seem to be English; > "Henning" is a > > > German name, I believe.) > > > > > > > > The article describes Tembte's move from > Maryland > > > to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. > VA, where > > > he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's > daughter > > > Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then > Edmond > > > Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married > Richard Webb > > > and, yes, named a son Henning. > > > > > > > > No reason so far to suppose that > "Henning > > > Pace" had anything to do with "Henning > > > Tembte", but an interesting series of deed > extracts was > > > posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May > 2001, tracing > > > land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and > Elizabeth his wife > > > (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to > John Bradford, > > > and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my > error if > > > not) through several transactions to the deed of > 1779 in > > > which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 > acres to Jesse > > > Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann > Pace, and Ann > > > Pace relinquishes dower. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Right on time. 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Dear Gordon, First, I am very sorry, I made an error in my communication to you--- apologize to you and the Pace list-I did not ask the question correctly.. I intended to ask about Henning Pace's daughter Sicely Walker Pace. I see I did not include Henning Pace's name, and must have thought you could read my mind. The last paragraph of your reply points out the question I had. Where did we obtain the name Sicely Walker Pace as a daughter of Henning Pace? Where did we obtain the exact birth and death dates for she and 4 other of Henning's children? The name Sicely Walker Pace given as a daughter of Henning is a key to showing that the same William Pace lived in Edgecombe, married Sicely Walker, moved to Franklin County NC, then moved on to Robertson/Montgomery Counties in Tennessee. I do have the originals of all the Bruce Howard abstracts, I believe they are on the Pace Society data base, as well as the deed that William Walker made to Sicely Walker, that proves Sicely Walker and Sicely Pace are the same person by the legal description of the land, which is the same in both deeds. One of the points that I like to make concerning who the father of William Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be: John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer to the William Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than George Pace and wife Patience did in Halifax County. Shirley In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:14:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: This is in response to a direct inquiry from my cousin, Shirley Pace Graham, re the source of Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. of Montgomery Co, TN. Shirley: My main source for Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. is from Bruce Howard's book, Our Colonial Ancestors. If you have the book, please refer to pages 117-120 and pages 326-329. On page 119 Bruce states: "He [William] married previous to the year 1773 to Miss Sesley Walker, daughter of Mr. William Walker." I believe that Sesley was a phonetic mispelling of Sicely. William Walker had 5 known children, including Cally Walker and Joel Walker. These are the same given names of one of William's daughters and one of his sons. Cally was a very rare given name at that time. Although our DNA test results indicated that our William Pace, Sr. could have been a son of George Pace and Patience Howell, you opined that the William Pace who was a son of George and Patience had a birth year which was inconsistent with the birth year of our William. However, I am not convinced of this. In a deed transcribed on p 328 of Bruce's book it says: "William Pace and Patience Pace his mother". The deed was witnessed by Temperance Pace, daughter of George Pace and Matthew Howell, brother of Patience Howell, who was a daughter of Thomas Howell. Bruce knew that George's wife was named Patience but did not know her surname. I believe that subsequently it has been firmly established that it was Howell. You asked about some birth dates: Martha Patsy Pace m. Gideon Harris in 1803. Bruce says she was the 2nd child of William so, if true, was b. abt. 1773. He says she m. David Jarnagan in 1789. Henning E. Pace's gravestone in Buttram's Cemetery in AR shows b. 1813. Source of 1/1/1813 is unknown to me. For Gideon G. Pace I have two suggested birth years: 1775 or 1784. I don't know what the sources are. The most compelling evidence for me as to the name of William Pace, Sr's wife is the fact that William's son Henning Pace named a daughter Sicely Walker Pace, after his mother. Henning was a very dominant member of William's family, having pioneered their move from NC to Montgomery Co, TN. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: DAR + Henning Pace Dear Gordon, I have been accepted into the DAR through our William Pace who signed a Bute County NC Oath in support of North Carolina. I will post this to the list in general when I decide exactly what I want to say. Hope you have a minute to let me know if you have the following or where I can obtain it: Have we got anything that shows where the name Sicely Walker Pace came from? I cannot locate anything in my files. I thought it was in one of the biographies, but she is in nothing I can find here at the house. She is the key to show that our William is the one who married Sicely Walker, then lived Franklin County NC and on to Tennessee. Have we got anything that shows where we obtained the exact birth dates of children Sicely Walker, Martha Harris, Henning E. and Gideon G. ?? Marjorie Bernards ?? Group sheet?? With references?? other possible might be Mildred Riggs??? Shirley ____________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www .freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=DecemailfooterNO 62) ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/defaul t.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)

Sorry, I have copied the wrong line, they are both at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/nonmatches.htm for comparison > 6281 > 13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 16 17 > > 38697 > 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 14 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 17 18 There are 8 numbers differing, on closer observation. Fortunately, my eye doctor wants me in for examination soon. I'm sorry to disappoint anyone. Gord Pace

I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy was apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. Nancy Ann had two brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father is unknown. Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of one of the brothers of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son of Henry Walker and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was bondsman for the marriage of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother (Indian girl, mother of Alsey Pace). Betty Pace On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair <[email protected]> writes: > Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and Major Walker's > daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in the land that > was being sold. More than that I do not know. > > I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in the same area > as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which "Henning" occurs > as a given name), there could be some connection to William Pace of > Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his will written > 1829. But that's merely speculation. > > Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. > > James > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres > to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > > To: [email protected], [email protected] > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM > > Who is this Major Walker and what is the relationship( if > > any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also mentioned) > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > * * * > > > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] > > Please remove [email protected] from your address books and > > files so that we can stay in touch! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" > > <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM > > Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > > > > > > > This may not be relevant but it seems interesting. > > > > > > While looking for information about Henning Pace, I > > came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard of before. > > > > > > I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte of > > Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the Virginia Mag. > > of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer does not > > know Tembte's origins but the surname, at least, > > doesn't seem to be English; "Henning" is a > > German name, I believe.) > > > > > > The article describes Tembte's move from Maryland > > to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. VA, where > > he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's daughter > > Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then Edmond > > Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married Richard Webb > > and, yes, named a son Henning. > > > > > > No reason so far to suppose that "Henning > > Pace" had anything to do with "Henning > > Tembte", but an interesting series of deed extracts was > > posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May 2001, tracing > > land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and Elizabeth his wife > > (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to John Bradford, > > and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my error if > > not) through several transactions to the deed of 1779 in > > which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse > > Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann Pace, and Ann > > Pace relinquishes dower. > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Right on time. Click now for great project management software! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1bIWkhRqzfTAgMOvbRmMZKrgXL2KYtib78Y0BxY3Td0kESM/

What is the difference between a "dower" and "dowry"? Bob Pace On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:30 PM, James Blair wrote: > Then "Major" was his name, not his title. I wondered about that. > > I misinterpreted the 1779 record because (as has now been explained > to me) I confused the term "dower" with the term "dowry". Apologies. > > James > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> >> Subject: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to >> Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:23 PM >> I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: >> >> Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann >> Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy >> was >> apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. >> Nancy Ann had >> two >> brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father >> is unknown. >> Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of >> one of the >> brothers >> of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son >> of Henry >> Walker >> and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was >> bondsman for the >> marriage >> of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. >> >> I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother >> (Indian girl, >> mother of Alsey Pace). >> >> Betty Pace >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair >> <[email protected]> writes: >>> Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and >> Major Walker's >>> daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in >> the land that >>> was being sold. More than that I do not know. >>> >>> I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in >> the same area >>> as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which >> "Henning" occurs >>> as a given name), there could be some connection to >> William Pace of >>> Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his >> will written >>> 1829. But that's merely speculation. >>> >>> Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> From: Lois Long Carey >> <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace >> sell 160 acres >>> to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- >>>> To: [email protected], [email protected] >>>> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM >>>> Who is this Major Walker and what is the >> relationship( if >>>> any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also >> mentioned) >>>> >>>> >>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> * * * * * >>>> * * * >>>> >>>> Please note: My new email address is >> [email protected] >>>> Please remove [email protected] from your address >> books and >>>> files so that we can stay in touch! >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James >> Blair" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM >>>> Subject: [PACE] The name Henning >>>> >>>> >>>>> This may not be relevant but it seems >> interesting. >>>>> >>>>> While looking for information about Henning >> Pace, I >>>> came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard >> of before. >>>>> >>>>> I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte >> of >>>> Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the >> Virginia Mag. >>>> of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer >> does not >>>> know Tembte's origins but the surname, at >> least, >>>> doesn't seem to be English; >> "Henning" is a >>>> German name, I believe.) >>>>> >>>>> The article describes Tembte's move from >> Maryland >>>> to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. >> VA, where >>>> he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's >> daughter >>>> Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then >> Edmond >>>> Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married >> Richard Webb >>>> and, yes, named a son Henning. >>>>> >>>>> No reason so far to suppose that >> "Henning >>>> Pace" had anything to do with "Henning >>>> Tembte", but an interesting series of deed >> extracts was >>>> posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May >> 2001, tracing >>>> land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and >> Elizabeth his wife >>>> (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to >> John Bradford, >>>> and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my >> error if >>>> not) through several transactions to the deed of >> 1779 in >>>> which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 >> acres to Jesse >>>> Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann >> Pace, and Ann >>>> Pace relinquishes dower. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to >>>> [email protected] with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Right on time. 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I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy was apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. Nancy Ann had two brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father is unknown. Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of one of the brothers of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son of Henry Walker and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was bondsman for the marriage of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother (Indian girl, mother of Alsey Pace). Betty Pace On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair <[email protected]> writes: > Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and Major Walker's > daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in the land that > was being sold. More than that I do not know. > > I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in the same area > as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which "Henning" occurs > as a given name), there could be some connection to William Pace of > Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his will written > 1829. But that's merely speculation. > > Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. > > James > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres > to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > > To: [email protected], [email protected] > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM > > Who is this Major Walker and what is the relationship( if > > any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also mentioned) > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > * * * > > > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] > > Please remove [email protected] from your address books and > > files so that we can stay in touch! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" > > <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM > > Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > > > > > > > This may not be relevant but it seems interesting. > > > > > > While looking for information about Henning Pace, I > > came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard of before. > > > > > > I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte of > > Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the Virginia Mag. > > of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer does not > > know Tembte's origins but the surname, at least, > > doesn't seem to be English; "Henning" is a > > German name, I believe.) > > > > > > The article describes Tembte's move from Maryland > > to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. VA, where > > he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's daughter > > Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then Edmond > > Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married Richard Webb > > and, yes, named a son Henning. > > > > > > No reason so far to suppose that "Henning > > Pace" had anything to do with "Henning > > Tembte", but an interesting series of deed extracts was > > posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May 2001, tracing > > land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and Elizabeth his wife > > (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to John Bradford, > > and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my error if > > not) through several transactions to the deed of 1779 in > > which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse > > Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann Pace, and Ann > > Pace relinquishes dower. > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3h2NY6VATGINjtVEwDo355cmKMUgw50Gexz9XKOaWCXxQkY/

Some of this discussion has been off list, but here are some definitions showing the difference between Dower and Dowry: Dower - the provision which the law makes for a widow out of the lands or tenements of her husband, for her support and the nurture of her children (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed) Dower Release/Release of Dower - an agreement which forfeited a wife's right to any of her deceased husband's land (dower) that he had sold to another - in some cases a widow was able to reclaim land that her husband had acquired in fee simple and subsequently sold, even 50 years after the sale, unless the buyer had acquired a dower release from the owner's wife (Concise Genealogical Dictionary). [Note that many deeds have the wife sign over her dower right in any land at the time of the sale of the land so there is no question of a clear title to the land. Remember a dower is the provisions for support of a family, often widow and children, after the death of a husband and is different from a dowry. Widows were often entitled to 1/3 of the estate - personal and real - of the deceased husband which is known as a "dower right."] Dowry - The property which a woman brings to her husband in marriage; now more commonly called a "portion" (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed) Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Blair Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to JesseBryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- Then "Major" was his name, not his title. I wondered about that. I misinterpreted the 1779 record because (as has now been explained to me) I confused the term "dower" with the term "dowry". Apologies. James --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:23 PM > I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: > > Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann > Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy > was > apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. > Nancy Ann had > two > brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father > is unknown. > Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of > one of the > brothers > of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son > of Henry > Walker > and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was > bondsman for the > marriage > of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. > > I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother > (Indian girl, > mother of Alsey Pace). > > Betty Pace > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair > <[email protected]> writes: > > Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and > Major Walker's > > daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in > the land that > > was being sold. More than that I do not know. > > > > I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in > the same area > > as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which > "Henning" occurs > > as a given name), there could be some connection to > William Pace of > > Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his > will written > > 1829. But that's merely speculation. > > > > Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. > > > > James > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Lois Long Carey > <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace > sell 160 acres > > to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > > > To: [email protected], [email protected] > > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM > > > Who is this Major Walker and what is the > relationship( if > > > any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also > mentioned) > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * > > > * * * > > > > > > Please note: My new email address is > [email protected] > > > Please remove [email protected] from your address > books and > > > files so that we can stay in touch! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James > Blair" > > > <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM > > > Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > > > > > > > > > > This may not be relevant but it seems > interesting. > > > > > > > > While looking for information about Henning > Pace, I > > > came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard > of before. > > > > > > > > I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte > of > > > Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the > Virginia Mag. > > > of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer > does not > > > know Tembte's origins but the surname, at > least, > > > doesn't seem to be English; > "Henning" is a > > > German name, I believe.) > > > > > > > > The article describes Tembte's move from > Maryland > > > to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. > VA, where > > > he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's > daughter > > > Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then > Edmond > > > Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married > Richard Webb > > > and, yes, named a son Henning. > > > > > > > > No reason so far to suppose that > "Henning > > > Pace" had anything to do with "Henning > > > Tembte", but an interesting series of deed > extracts was > > > posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May > 2001, tracing > > > land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and > Elizabeth his wife > > > (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to > John Bradford, > > > and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my > error if > > > not) through several transactions to the deed of > 1779 in > > > which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 > acres to Jesse > > > Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann > Pace, and Ann > > > Pace relinquishes dower. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Right on time. 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Over to you, Val. James --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Bob Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Bob Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 4:12 PM > What is the difference between a "dower" and > "dowry"? > Bob Pace > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:30 PM, James Blair wrote: > > > Then "Major" was his name, not his title. I > wondered about that. > > > > I misinterpreted the 1779 record because (as has now > been explained > > to me) I confused the term "dower" with the > term "dowry". Apologies. > > > > James > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Betty A Pace > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell > 160 acres to > >> Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:23 PM > >> I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: > >> > >> Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann > >> Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. > Nancy > >> was > >> apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her > there. > >> Nancy Ann had > >> two > >> brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. > Nancy's father > >> is unknown. > >> Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the > widow of > >> one of the > >> brothers > >> of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major > Walker (son > >> of Henry > >> Walker > >> and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC > was > >> bondsman for the > >> marriage > >> of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. > >> > >> I am descended from Stephen but from a different > mother > >> (Indian girl, > >> mother of Alsey Pace). > >> > >> Betty Pace > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James > Blair > >> <[email protected]> writes: > >>> Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's > wife and > >> Major Walker's > >>> daughter, since she relinquished her dower > rights in > >> the land that > >>> was being sold. More than that I do not know. > >>> > >>> I speculate that because Stephen Pace was > evidently in > >> the same area > >>> as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in > which > >> "Henning" occurs > >>> as a given name), there could be some > connection to > >> William Pace of > >>> Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning > in his > >> will written > >>> 1829. But that's merely speculation. > >>> > >>> Sorry not to be able to provide any more > information. > >>> > >>> James > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: Lois Long Carey > >> <[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and > Stephen Pace > >> sell 160 acres > >>> to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > >>>> To: [email protected], > [email protected] > >>>> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM > >>>> Who is this Major Walker and what is the > >> relationship( if > >>>> any) between him and Stephen and Ann > Pace?( also > >> mentioned) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * > >> * * * * * > >>>> * * * > >>>> > >>>> Please note: My new email address is > >> [email protected] > >>>> Please remove [email protected] from your > address > >> books and > >>>> files so that we can stay in touch! > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: > "James > >> Blair" > >>>> <[email protected]> > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM > >>>> Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> This may not be relevant but it seems > >> interesting. > >>>>> > >>>>> While looking for information about > Henning > >> Pace, I > >>>> came across Henning Tembte, who I had not > heard > >> of before. > >>>>> > >>>>> I found an article about Dr Henning > Tembte > >> of > >>>> Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in > the > >> Virginia Mag. > >>>> of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The > writer > >> does not > >>>> know Tembte's origins but the surname, > at > >> least, > >>>> doesn't seem to be English; > >> "Henning" is a > >>>> German name, I believe.) > >>>>> > >>>>> The article describes Tembte's > move from > >> Maryland > >>>> to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to > Halifax Co. > >> VA, where > >>>> he bought land on Fishing Creek. > Tembte's > >> daughter > >>>> Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, > and then > >> Edmond > >>>> Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary > married > >> Richard Webb > >>>> and, yes, named a son Henning. > >>>>> > >>>>> No reason so far to suppose that > >> "Henning > >>>> Pace" had anything to do with > "Henning > >>>> Tembte", but an interesting series of > deed > >> extracts was > >>>> posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 > May > >> 2001, tracing > >>>> land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and > >> Elizabeth his wife > >>>> (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) > to > >> John Bradford, > >>>> and subsequently tracing this land (I > think -- my > >> error if > >>>> not) through several transactions to the > deed of > >> 1779 in > >>>> which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell > 160 > >> acres to Jesse > >>>> Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and > Ann > >> Pace, and Ann > >>>> Pace relinquishes dower. > >>>>> > >>>>> James > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an > >> email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word > >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the > >> subject and > >>>> the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > >>> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >>> > >>> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ > >> Right on time. 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Then "Major" was his name, not his title. I wondered about that. I misinterpreted the 1779 record because (as has now been explained to me) I confused the term "dower" with the term "dowry". Apologies. James --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:23 PM > I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: > > Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann > Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy > was > apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. > Nancy Ann had > two > brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father > is unknown. > Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of > one of the > brothers > of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son > of Henry > Walker > and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was > bondsman for the > marriage > of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. > > I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother > (Indian girl, > mother of Alsey Pace). > > Betty Pace > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair > <[email protected]> writes: > > Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and > Major Walker's > > daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in > the land that > > was being sold. More than that I do not know. > > > > I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in > the same area > > as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which > "Henning" occurs > > as a given name), there could be some connection to > William Pace of > > Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his > will written > > 1829. But that's merely speculation. > > > > Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. > > > > James > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Lois Long Carey > <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace > sell 160 acres > > to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > > > To: [email protected], [email protected] > > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM > > > Who is this Major Walker and what is the > relationship( if > > > any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also > mentioned) > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * > > > * * * > > > > > > Please note: My new email address is > [email protected] > > > Please remove [email protected] from your address > books and > > > files so that we can stay in touch! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James > Blair" > > > <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM > > > Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > > > > > > > > > > This may not be relevant but it seems > interesting. > > > > > > > > While looking for information about Henning > Pace, I > > > came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard > of before. > > > > > > > > I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte > of > > > Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the > Virginia Mag. > > > of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer > does not > > > know Tembte's origins but the surname, at > least, > > > doesn't seem to be English; > "Henning" is a > > > German name, I believe.) > > > > > > > > The article describes Tembte's move from > Maryland > > > to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. > VA, where > > > he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's > daughter > > > Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then > Edmond > > > Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married > Richard Webb > > > and, yes, named a son Henning. > > > > > > > > No reason so far to suppose that > "Henning > > > Pace" had anything to do with "Henning > > > Tembte", but an interesting series of deed > extracts was > > > posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May > 2001, tracing > > > land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and > Elizabeth his wife > > > (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to > John Bradford, > > > and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my > error if > > > not) through several transactions to the deed of > 1779 in > > > which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 > acres to Jesse > > > Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann > Pace, and Ann > > > Pace relinquishes dower. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Right on time. 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Jack Pace wrote: > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex, > what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came > back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line > something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers > but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg, > Va. Jack, You may want to know about this: Important find here this morning, I think !! I've just been writing to you about your recent email to Kaarin and about the deaths due to epidemics of the past generations etc. and notice you match a DARRELL PACE almost exactly who was said previously to not match any others in the PACE DNA test. I'm certainly not an expert but I think something may have been overlooked. Your DNA 6281 Darrell Pace of Charlotte NC 38697 the numbers go like this: 6281 your kit 13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 16 17 38697 Darrell Pace's 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 16 17 the second number is the only one out by just one. The following may not be too important now In your PACE lineage back to John of Middlesex, would you have all, or most, of the SURNAMES connected, through marriage, to your PACE lineage? This may not be necessary now Theoretically, if each one of these SURNAMES had/have initiated a DNA testing programme, you would very likely fit in one of these DNA SURNAME programmes. As I said previously, illness, epidemics, plagues and resulting death were a natural occurance in the advancement since earlier times. When someone researches their family background and DNA testing does not indicate a match, then common sence and historical documentation is the avenue to consider. As far as I'm concerned, it always was. An example of what I'm refering to is possibly Darrell Pace of Charlotte, North Carolina. His DNA test results did not match that of the John Pace of Middlesex group or mine. He had done considerable research and come up with facts his JOSEPH B. PACE was likely from BLOXWICH in South Staffordshire. His story is that his JOSEPH B. PACE was the first in his US family and that he came from England. Darrell Pace wrote 20/10/2006: Joseph B Pace Sr is my ancestor and he appears in our family records in Chowan County, North Carolina on September 23, 1788 when he married Zilpha Woodward. From that point on to present, we have a clear record of my family line of Paces. Joseph B Pace Sr from the Census records was born in England. He was born between the years of 1756 - 1766. After his marriage in 1788, he was given a land grant to Orange County, NC That is the summary of below. I wrote 20/10/2006: You had mentioned a Joseph B. Pace from Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England born between the years 1756 & 1766. My Pace family lived at Bloxwich and/or Shareshill (adjacent) at that time (1760s early 1770s) and in my family, brother to my 3X great grandfather was a JOSEPH PACE Christened 02 Jul 1758. At that time, there was some kind of epidemic and many deaths ocurred in my family. Here is the family below which shows seven Christenings and four deaths. JOSEPH PACE/Paste b 1 Feb 1735 Little Saredon, (Shareshill parish) Staffordshire - my 4X great gransparents wed MARY EVANS 19 Jul 1757 of Brewood, Staffordshire (Brewood pronounced brew-od) 1. JOSEPH..bapt 2 Jul 1758, Shareshill 2. MARY...bapt 25 Jan 1760, Shareshill - bur. 26 Jul 1763 3. JOHN...bapt 18 Oct 1761, Shareshill 4. THOMAS...bapt 29 Jan 1764, Shareshill - buried 22 Jun 1764 5. WILLIAM..bapt 14 Jul 1765 wed MARY BROWN 3X grt grfather 6. ANN.....bapt 15 May 1768 - buried 8 Feb 1769 7. CHARLES..bapt 6 May 1770 - buried 14 Aug 1770, Shareshill MARY (EVANS) wife/mother of above, also died about 1770 JOSEPH PACE (father) remarried - 2nd wife - MARY PITT - m 10 June 1771 There is ample history on JOSEPH's 2nd marriage to MARY PITT and a descendent lives in Pittsburg, PA a volunteer at the Pittsburg LDS Family History Centre. There is no history to be found so far on 1. JOSEPH..bapt 2 Jul 1758, Shareshill It was mentioned, if I remember right, that your (Darrell) DNA test results did not match mine or the John of Middlesex group. This may not matter. Since there were many deaths in the family at that time, I have no doubt that related children whose parents may have also died, were absorbed into close family and given the name PACE. In such cases which were common enough, the DNA of descendents would not neccessarily match as a father may not have been a PACE. I mentioned some of the surnames of that era of many deaths in my PACE family around 1760s, PITT, CORBETT, GOSLING, DUDLEY and others that if a DNA programme was going on today, his test results may match donors in one of those SURNAME DNA test programmes. His results may be compared to yours also. I don't think I've seen his actual results. Darrell was maybe the first in the Pace Society that mentioned his ancestor came to America at a different time than that of Richard or John of M. A similar situation seems to be the case with your DNA results. Kit 38697 1. Donor 2. Father 3. Grandfather| 4. Newton Lee Pace (documented)Born 06/11/1881 in ----Alamance County, NC. Died 01/15/1933 buried at Spray ----Cemetery in Eden, NC. + Julia Ann Baker 5. Doctor Pace (documented) Born – 02/18/1846 in Orange ----County, NC.Died in 1929 and buried at Spray Cemetery in Eden, NC. ---- +Elizabeth Barker 6. Joseph Barker Pace (Jr.) (documented) Born – 1804 in Orange ----County, NC. Died 1885 in Alamance County, NC. Buried in ----Mebane, NC. +Elizabeth Truitt 7. Joseph B. Pace (Sr.) (marriage documented only) Born – ----Died – before 1820 Orange County, NC. +Zilpha Woodward - ----Married 9/23/1788 in Chowan County, NC. This donor does not appear to be related to any of the other Paces in the study. I had looked at the DNA test results of that of the MADDOCK DNA test. They matched exactly with that of the JOHN of Middlesex group. Gord Pace

Same goes for the census, I found it was not transcribed with ALL the people on it in each HH. I get mine free from Familysearch.org- the original census page, and I know it is right. It may be S L O W - but it is right. Addie

Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and Major Walker's daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in the land that was being sold. More than that I do not know. I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in the same area as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which "Henning" occurs as a given name), there could be some connection to William Pace of Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his will written 1829. But that's merely speculation. Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. James --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM > Who is this Major Walker and what is the relationship( if > any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also mentioned) > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] > Please remove [email protected] from your address books and > files so that we can stay in touch! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > > > > This may not be relevant but it seems interesting. > > > > While looking for information about Henning Pace, I > came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard of before. > > > > I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte of > Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the Virginia Mag. > of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer does not > know Tembte's origins but the surname, at least, > doesn't seem to be English; "Henning" is a > German name, I believe.) > > > > The article describes Tembte's move from Maryland > to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. VA, where > he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's daughter > Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then Edmond > Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married Richard Webb > and, yes, named a son Henning. > > > > No reason so far to suppose that "Henning > Pace" had anything to do with "Henning > Tembte", but an interesting series of deed extracts was > posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May 2001, tracing > land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and Elizabeth his wife > (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to John Bradford, > and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my error if > not) through several transactions to the deed of 1779 in > which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse > Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann Pace, and Ann > Pace relinquishes dower. > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Who is this Major Walker and what is the relationship( if any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also mentioned) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > This may not be relevant but it seems interesting. > > While looking for information about Henning Pace, I came across Henning > Tembte, who I had not heard of before. > > I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte of Nansemond Co VA, by Mary > Dean Clement, in the Virginia Mag. of History and Biography, Jan 1957. > (The writer does not know Tembte's origins but the surname, at least, > doesn't seem to be English; "Henning" is a German name, I believe.) > > The article describes Tembte's move from Maryland to Nansemond Co. VA, > then by 1765 to Halifax Co. VA, where he bought land on Fishing Creek. > Tembte's daughter Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then Edmond > Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married Richard Webb and, yes, named a son > Henning. > > No reason so far to suppose that "Henning Pace" had anything to do with > "Henning Tembte", but an interesting series of deed extracts was posted to > this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May 2001, tracing land which was sold by > Edmond Daniel and Elizabeth his wife (that would be Malachi Murden's > widow) to John Bradford, and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my > error if not) through several transactions to the deed of 1779 in which > Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse Bryant -- signed by > both Stephen Pace and Ann Pace, and Ann Pace relinquishes dower. > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Jack, I expect that you have already searched for daughters who survived to child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of women died in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old cemeteries and look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of death), and a young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an infant on his own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. Then the father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country and contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was the son of a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of thing happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top of my likely scenarios list. Joe Anderson > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex,> what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came> back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line> something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers> but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg,> Va. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009

In my opinion, image copies can in some cases be superior to the original because electronic images can be magnified for closer scrutiny. One case in point is the Dempsey Pace Bible which has been transcribed to show the marriage of Dempsey and Elisabeth Rainwaters as occurring in 1812. Then the transcriber noted: "After many of their children were born?" Examining the image at 400% magnification convinces me that the date is actually 1802, with the "0" written so long and skinny that it appears to be a "1" (the writer was approaching the margin of the bible, and apparently was saving space in order to have room for the "2"). So, the use of an image allowed me to reach a conclusion that might not be evident with the original in hand unless the examiner had a strong magnifying glass. Images of this Bible are in the PSA archives if you want to check it out. Joe Anderson > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:09:02 -0800> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Source reliability - ratings Q > Generally, image copies (microfilm or digital) are treated as originals rather than derivatives. But we should identify that we are looking at an image copy rather than the original document. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009