several years ago I received info. from a Basil Wayne Smith b .28 Feb. 1848, son of Noman Wilbur Smith and Anna Nadine Gaines . He married (1) Anna Stina Elisabeth Halvarsson abt. 9 juni 1974 in Koping,Sweden. She was born 1 Juni 1950. She was the dau. of Per Halvar Pettersson and Ruth Mariana Norman. Norman Wilbur Smith b. 1924, d.2001 Burial: Brown Church Cemetery, Puxico, Mo Married Anna Nadine Gaines 1947 in Arkansas. Children of Norman Smith and Anna Gaines are: Basil Wayne Smith-1948 Adam Frank Smith 1952 Norman Eugene Smith 1959 Erhardt Smith 1961 William Smith 1969 Basil contacted me becauses in his ancestry there is a Walker Connection >From Virginia; John Morris b. 1762 m. Lucy Walker b.1766 His information goes back to 1284 with a reference to Carnarvon Castle,England Some of the names included in his ancestry are: Gaines,Dooley,Perrin,Burlesson, Wilfong,Morris, Crowley,Elkins,Pinkney,Forst,Walker,Cheatham,Bailey,Nicholson,Symons, Pritchard,Culpepper,Shattuck Areas mentioned are: Arkansas, Puxico, Mo,Locust Grove,Ga,Virginia possible connection to my family in Virginia was: John Morris,b. 1762 and Lucy Walker,b.1766 Their son, John Morris b. 8 May 1795 in Virginia m. Mary Forst b. 1 March,1796 Their son, John Morris b. 18 March, 1837 m. Nancy? Anyone connect?? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: [PACE] Surnames and how we get them.... > Re the thread below regarding Jack Pace's ancestry---- > > I have a similar situation but not quite the same. > > I trace Johnsons back to my gg grandfather and hit a blank wall. The > information was passed down by word of mouth that Johnson is Swedish. > Could > be; there are Swedish, English, and Scottish Johnsons--and I found in > Sweden > that Johnson was not necessarily derived from Johannson; there are > Johnsons > by that spelling in Sweden. > > DNA gives a possible reason. Possible origin of male ancestor: West > African. > Deep clade test seems to confirm that hypothesis. > > My gg grandfather was a quintessential fiddle playing, hound-dog hunting > Appalachian hillbilly from eastern Kentucky, parents said to have been > born > in Virginia but Kentucky was once part of Virginia, so who knows? Not > many > Swedes in that area! > > But my research shows that there were very early Swedish settlers in New > Jersey and Delaware, and there were small free black settlements among > them > as early as the late 1600s. > > So if a Swedish girl or woman bore a child by a black male, that child > would > probably be raised Swedish and given the mother's surname. > > That's just speculation but it shows how that sort of thing could have > happened. One line of my family actually has a vague story about African > ancestry, and no one in the family today finds it objectionable, but in > earlier times it would be covered up as any drop of African blood brought > all the ignomy of the dreaded n-word. > > Jack is still a Pace, doesn't matter how he got the name, and I'm still a > (possibly Swedish) Johnson even if the male line is west African. > > My closest YDNA matches are in Senegal and Gambia, West Africa. No one > else > on the large Johnson DNA study matches with me except my nephew, whom I > had > tested for verification. > > Roy Johnson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Jack Pace > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > > Joe: Been down that path without much succes, but that is the fun of this > game, searching for and finding new data. Thanks. J.pace > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Janders 45 <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Jack, >> >> I expect that you have already searched for daughters who survived to >> child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of women > died >> in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old cemeteries > and >> look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of death), and a >> young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an infant on > his >> own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. Then >> the >> father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country and >> contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was the son > of >> a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of thing >> happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top of my > likely >> scenarios list. >> >> Joe Anderson >> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: >> [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources >> >> > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of > Middlesex,> >> what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) > came> >> back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the > line> >> something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible > answers> >> but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, > Williamsburg,> >> Va. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. >> >> > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0120 > 09 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1892 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 > 8:04 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Re the thread below regarding Jack Pace's ancestry---- I have a similar situation but not quite the same. I trace Johnsons back to my gg grandfather and hit a blank wall. The information was passed down by word of mouth that Johnson is Swedish. Could be; there are Swedish, English, and Scottish Johnsons--and I found in Sweden that Johnson was not necessarily derived from Johannson; there are Johnsons by that spelling in Sweden. DNA gives a possible reason. Possible origin of male ancestor: West African. Deep clade test seems to confirm that hypothesis. My gg grandfather was a quintessential fiddle playing, hound-dog hunting Appalachian hillbilly from eastern Kentucky, parents said to have been born in Virginia but Kentucky was once part of Virginia, so who knows? Not many Swedes in that area! But my research shows that there were very early Swedish settlers in New Jersey and Delaware, and there were small free black settlements among them as early as the late 1600s. So if a Swedish girl or woman bore a child by a black male, that child would probably be raised Swedish and given the mother's surname. That's just speculation but it shows how that sort of thing could have happened. One line of my family actually has a vague story about African ancestry, and no one in the family today finds it objectionable, but in earlier times it would be covered up as any drop of African blood brought all the ignomy of the dreaded n-word. Jack is still a Pace, doesn't matter how he got the name, and I'm still a (possibly Swedish) Johnson even if the male line is west African. My closest YDNA matches are in Senegal and Gambia, West Africa. No one else on the large Johnson DNA study matches with me except my nephew, whom I had tested for verification. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Pace Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources Joe: Been down that path without much succes, but that is the fun of this game, searching for and finding new data. Thanks. J.pace On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Janders 45 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jack, > > I expect that you have already searched for daughters who survived to > child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of women died > in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old cemeteries and > look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of death), and a > young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an infant on his > own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. Then the > father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country and > contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was the son of > a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of thing > happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top of my likely > scenarios list. > > Joe Anderson > > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > > > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex,> > what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came> > back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line> > something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers> > but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg,> > Va. > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. > > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0120 09 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1892 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:04 PM

Joe: Been down that path without much succes, but that is the fun of this game, searching for and finding new data. Thanks. J.pace On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Janders 45 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jack, > > I expect that you have already searched for daughters who survived to > child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of women died > in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old cemeteries and > look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of death), and a > young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an infant on his > own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. Then the > father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country and > contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was the son of > a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of thing > happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top of my likely > scenarios list. > > Joe Anderson > > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > > > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex,> > what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came> > back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line> > something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers> > but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg,> > Va. > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia

Gord: Thanks for the thoughts it is about as clear as mud. Happy New Year. J.Pace On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, I have copied the wrong line, they are both at > http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/nonmatches.htm > for comparison > > 6281 13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 16 >> 17 >> >> 38697 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 14 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 >> 17 18 >> > > There are 8 numbers differing, on closer observation. > Fortunately, my eye doctor wants me in for examination soon. > I'm sorry to disappoint anyone. > Gord Pace > > -- JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia

William Walker's will (1772) mentions his grandson William Hackney. Does anyone know the name of the Walker daughter who married a Hackney? Did William Walker's grandson marry Millicent Foreman? Or is that a different William Hackney? "In the book EARLY MARRIAGES OF NASH CO. N.C. by Williams and Griffin on p.193 entitled Marriages proved from Deeds, Wills, Court Minutes and Inventories, on a list compiled by Watson is the following: Hardy Cain m Mary Foreman, dau of Benjamin Foreman c. 1780; William Hackney m Milly Foreman. Wit. Jethro Denson, Joseph Denson." (Ezell book). Abstracts of Will Book, Nash Co. p.51: William Hackney will dated 6 Mar 1787, no probate date, names wife Milly, son Jennings, daus Elizabeth and Penelope. Exr. Benjamin Foreman. Wit. Jethro Denson, Joseph Denson. The will of Benjamin Foreman (Chatham Co NC, 1796) mentions his daughter Millicent and the three children "that she had by William Hackney". Benjamin Foreman's daughter Mary is believed to be the Mary Foreman who married Hardy Cain; Hardy Cain was named as executor of Benjamin Foreman's will. James

Is it known whether there was a relationship between William Walker and William West? Is the land that Thomas Drake sold to Richard Pace (1759) a part of the tract described in the deed from Walker to Thomas Drake? I see that this question has been raised on this list before, was an answer found? Am I right in thinking that this Samuel Bridgers who witnessed the West-to-West deed was married to Mary Johnson, who was the daughter of John Johnson and Mary Pace, who was the daughter of Richard and Rebecca? Edge. Co. (Halifax) Db 3, page 392, deed date 15 Aug 1749, recorded Aug Ct 1749, William West, Edge. Co, Esq to William West, for good and reasonable causes but most especially for the love and affection I have for my loving son, William West, a tract on the north side of Rocky Swamp beginning at an elm in the Mill Pond running along the old patent line to the center of three pines then along the line to the Beaver Dam Branch so down the said branch to Rocky Swamp then up the swamp to the first station, containing 190 acres, being part of a patent to William Walker for 300 acres and the said William West purchased of the aforesaid Willm Walker, signed Wm. West, wit James Drake, Samuel Bridgers. Abstracted 7-28-06, NCA film C.047.40002, CTC. Edge. Co. (Halifax) Db 3, page 490, deed date 10 Feb 1749, recorded May Ct 1750, William Walker, Edge. Co, planter, to Thomas Drake, said county for 52 pds 10 shillings Va a plantation and tract of 300 acres on the south side of Fishing Creek beginning on the east side of Beaver Dam Swamp then south 65 east 180 poles to a red oak then south 25 west along the branch to a pine then north 65 west 180 poles to a red oak on the swamp so down the swamp to the first station, signed Wm Walker, wit Wm West (proved), Mary Powell (X). Abstracted 7-30-06, NCA film C.047.40002, CTC. James

Halifax August 17 1780 Stephen Pace & Major Walker to Jesse Bryant 750 pounds current money 160 acres, beginning RO on Hills Mill Branch to Blackhune line thence E his line to Kehukey, up Kehukey the various courses to a white oak Forman's corner thence W line to a hickory Nelm's corner then S45W to Buck Meadow thence down said meadow the various courses to Hills Mills branch thence up the said branch to 1st. Signed by Major Walker, Stephen Pace, Ann (x) Pace. Wit. Jo. Nelms, John Bishop, Stephen Barker, proved Aug ct. 1779. Dower release by Ann Pace examined by Henry Montfort db 14 pg 263. My attention was caught by the fact that the deed is witnessed by a "Jo. Nelms", because the 1769 deed between Charles Daniel and Wm Pass was also witnessed by a Nelms: 1769 Charles Daniel and wf Amy of Hal to Wm Pass of IOW VA 18 Nov 1769, £80, 130a on N sd Fishing Ck, jng Guin, Parkers Branch. wit Jeremiah Nelms, E Haywood. $ recpt wit John Auld. wf relinq, exam by Wm Lane Esq. recd Nov 1769. James

I suppose Mr Howard was just doing the same as I'm doing -- trying to make sense of the scanty facts available. The only known facts (as opposed to opinions) are those in the surviving records. There is the record of Corker's headright certificate for Richard Pace. There is the record of tithables, listing Richard Pace and also Francis Sowerby. There is the record of Richard Pace on an escheating jury. And there are a number of records which refer to William Briscoe "as marrying the relict of Richard Pace", dealing with the estate. The question is: do these records refer to Richard Pace (m. Mary)? Or do they refer to a different Richard Pace? Or is this just a question that can't be answered unless further information turns up? Mr Howard has gone for the first option, and it sounds like it has convinced himself of it pretty thoroughly, so that his account comes out sounding almost like he was there and knew Richard and Mary and who they knew and what their movements were. Mr Dorman, on the other hand, chose the third option: a footnote in the Pace section of the 4th edition of "Adventurers of Purse and Person" states: "...William Bristow is mentioned as having married the widow of Richard Pace (York Co. Deeds, Orders, Wills &c 6, 1677-84, pp. 537, 544), but her given name is not stated and there is no indication that this is...[Richard m. Mary]." I agree with Mr Dorman: there isn't enough evidence to determine with certainty whether it was Richard (m. Mary) or a different Richard Pace. But like Mr Howard, I have an OPINION as to which it was, and my opinion is that it was a different Richard Pace. My opinion is based on the following: First: a record of 7 September 1675 (Surry Court Book 3, p98) mentions an attachment granted to Col. Thomas Swann against the estate of Richard Pace for 400 lbs tobacco. I'm not an expert, but to me this record sounds as if Richard Pace of Surry/York was dead in 1675; otherwise why would the attachment be against his estate? In the records I've seen, when a judgment is granted against somebody living, it just would say "attachment granted against Richard Pace" etc. Richard Pace (m. Mary) was not dead in 1675. He sat on a jury at Westover in September 1677 (CC Co Court Orders p. 196) Second: while the relict of Richard Pace in York/Surry married William Briscoe, the relict of Richard Pace in Charles Co married Nicholas Whitmore. Although we don't know the date of Mary Pace's marriage to Whitmore, there is a patent record which shows George "Peas" jointly patenting land with Nicholas Whitmore in 1683. To me this looks like George Pace, eldest son of Richard and Mary Pace, being helped by his new stepfather to patent land for the first time. In other words, my opinion is that by 1683, at a time when William Briscoe was still going to court over the administration of the estate of his wife's former husband, Mary Pace in Charles City Co. was already married to Nicholas Whitmore -- who was claimed as a headright in a patent of April 20 1680 by John Williams and William Edmonds. Third: in 1683, George Pace, presumed to be the eldest son of Richard and Mary Pace, was patenting land in Charles City Co. If he was old enough to patent land, doesn't that mean he was old enough to have inherited the estate of his father (who died intestate)? Doesn't that indicate that the estate William Briscoe was settling was the estate of a different Richard Pace? Fourth: in 1689, William Briscoe died, and left everything to his daughter-in-law Ann Holden Briscoe, who subsequently married Chudleigh. Doesn't that suggest that by 1689 everybody else he was related to, including his wife (former relict of Richard Pace), was dead? Mary wasn't dead -- not by a long shot. Fifth: as I understand it, the Richard Pace who sat on the escheating jury in York in 1673 must have owned land in that county. That doesn't sound like Richard Pace (m. Mary). It sounds to me like a different Richard Pace, one who lived in York Co right near James City where Chesley, Wild, Corker, White, Briscoe and all the rest of them lived. Sixth: the records show that there was a James Pace living in York Co between 1659 and 1673 -- a James Pace who CANNOT be fitted into the known family of Richard and Mary in Charles Co. If a James, why not a Richard? James > > > > James > > I refer you to Bruce Howards book Our Colonial > Ancestors 1619-1799 page > > 72-73. " Richard knew a man by the name of > Frances Sowerby and his brother > > Thomas." etc, etc. also Richard and Sowerby were > taxed together. It also > > refers that Richard Pace and wife Mary went to live on > Sowerbys plantation. > > It appears that there is a connection. Jack > Pace/Williamsburg, Va. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > 7 November 1656: Thomas Pace of Bath, Somerset, gent., bound to John White, > merchant, to serve four years in VA. (from Peter Coldham, Complete book of > Immigrants, p331) > > The county into which Thomas Pace, gent. was brought is not specified. > > 28 Aug 1643, John White patented 1 acre in James City, west upon the church > yard, east upon the land appertaining to the state house". > > According to APVA (http://www.apva.org/finding/str3.html), this John White > was a merchant/politician, who built a house/warehouse on the site. This is > one of the structures whose remains have been discovered. > > Since APVA call him a merchant/politician, he was presumably the same > person as John White who served as Burgess for James City in 1641 (Boddie, > SVF, p.169). After his death his widow married William Corker; this is the > same William Corker who in 1660 received a headright certificate naming > Richard Pace, among others. William Corker, in turn, was named as headright > not once but twice by Nicholas Meriwether -- he who patented land jointly > with Philip Chesley, brother-in-law of Daniel Wild who got the land > escheated by Richard Pace (and other obviously) in York Co. > > If John White was the merchant who brought in Thomas Pace, gent., from > Bath, could that Thomas Pace, gent., have been related to the Richard Pace > who appears on the headright certificate issued to Wm Corker who married > John White's widow? Might the two Paces have come at the same time, perhaps > been related? Just wondering. > > Wm Corker had three daughters, two by his first wife and one with John > White's widow. Daughter Susanna married George Branch; daughter Lucy > married (2) Thomas Jordan, and had Mary Jordan who married Francis Sowerby. > Francis Sowerby appeared on Col. William Browne's tithable list in 1668, > 1669, and 1770. > > James > I refer you to Bruce Howards book Our Colonial Ancestors 1619-1799 page > 72-73. " Richard knew a man by the name of Frances Sowerby and his brother > Thomas." etc, etc. also Richard and Sowerby were taxed together. It also > refers that Richard Pace and wife Mary went to live on Sowerbys plantation. > It appears that there is a connection. Jack Pace/Williamsburg, Va. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: "(Henning) Tembte's daughter Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then Edmond Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married Richard Webb and, yes, named a son Henning." Elizabeth and Edmond Daniel also named a son Henning. And named a daughter -- a daughter! -- Tembte. They really didn't believe in making life easy for their kids back then. Edmond Daniel's brother, reportedly, was Charles Daniel. However, there were two Charles Daniels on Fishing Creek. The one who sold land to Major Walker in 1779 was married to Ann. The other Charles Daniel was a reverend, and married to Amy: "REV. CHARLES DANIEL Born Jan ---1731 near Richmond in Virgininia. Bred a churchman; embraced the principles of the Baptists in the Spring of 1749, and had the ordinance administerd to him by Rev. Josiah HART at Fishing Creek, Ordained August 16, 1753 by said HART and Rev. Henry LEDBETTER at said Fishing Creek....Married Amy CLARK, but had no issue." (History of North Carolina Baptists Vol. I 1663-1825 By George Washington Paschall) It would be interesting to know if Rev. Josiah Hart was related to the Thomas Hart who sold land to Henry Dawson, wits. John Pace and Richard Pace, in 1762. Also, I'm wondering who is "Wm Pass of IOW" in the following record? I'm wondering whether from time to time "William Pass" and "William Pace" might have got confused in the records. 1769 Charles Daniel and wf Amy of Hal to Wm Pass of IOW VA 18 Nov 1769, £80, 130a on N sd Fishing Ck, jng Guin, Parkers Branch. wit Jeremiah Nelms, E Haywood. $ recpt wit John Auld. wf relinq, exam by Wm Lane Esq. recd Nov 1769." William Pass is apparently near William West (who I believe also came from IoW). 1773 William Pass and wf Sarah of Hal to John Holoway same 27 May 1772, £150, 200a jng the old Enfield road, Joseph Borden, Great Fishing Ck, Arthur West, William West. wit Joseph Borden, Richard Ship. recd Feb 1773." 1777 Henry Green and wf Elizabeth (x) of Hal to Jesse Everit same 19 Aug 1777, £120, 210a jng Breeches (Swamp), William West, Robert Douglass. 75a which sd Henry Green and wf Elizabeth had purch fr Eady Thomas, on S sd Jacket Sw, jng Richard Powell, William Douglass, David Thomas. wit William Pass, Benja Jones. recd Aug 1777." A William West witnessed the will of William Walker. By 1781 The Rev. Charles Daniel is dead: 1781 (Warren Co) Tues 13 Feb 1781 Adm of Est of Charles Daniel returned by Amey Daniel, bondsmen Jesse Person Richard Acock. I would be interested in any comments on William Pass. I know Pass and Pace names have been confused some times. James

There were a whole bunch of Hartwell/Heartwell Paces either as a first or middle name among my Paces in Missouri, one of whom immigrated from Pittsylvania County, VA, and whose father moved there from Goochland with connections with Fluvanna, thence back to John of Middlesex. Since these are John of Middlesex Paces, I doubt any connection to this Hartwell, as they were in different areas in Virginia and different lineages. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lois Long Carey Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:11 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Henry Hartwell We have a John Hartwell Pace in Fluvanna co,Va in the middle to late 1800's, who married Fannie Houchens, and I believe there was another Hartwell Pace. I have a list of the children of John and Fanny. I believe there was a Hartwell Pace earlier. . Can anyone find a Hartwell Pace connection elsewhere?possibly a tie to Henry Hartwell. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] Richard Pace in York Co. > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > > To clarify and correct, here is what Tyler says: > > "In that part of the town east of the church tower, first called "New > Towne", the land on Orchard Run had come into the hands of James > Chudleigh, who was the second husband of Ann Holder. She obtained it > partly by gift from her first husband's father, William Briscoe, Sen., a > blacksmith, and partly by inheritance from her own father, Richard Holder. > James Chudleigh's neighbor was William Edwards, Jr., son of William > Edwards, clerk of the council, who had purchased from Chudleigh an acre on > the river. Thomas Holliday had property adjoining Edwards, and next to > him was Henry Hartwell, Esq., one of the council, whose western line was > about 550 feet from Orchard Run..." ("Cradle of the Republic", pp78-79). > > James > > >> >> In "The Cradle of the Republic" pp78-79, Lyon G. >> Tyler describes some of the buildings of James City. >> Hartwell's home was next to William Edwards Jr, and next >> to him was the home of James Chudleigh. Chudleigh's >> wife Ann was Ann Holder, daughter of Richard Holder. Ann >> Holder married as her first husband William Briscoe Jr, son >> of the William Briscoe who married the relict of Richard >> Pace. Whew! >> >> The Richard Pace whose widow married William Briscoe Sr was >> perhaps the same person as the Richard Pace who sat on the >> jury escheating land for Chesley's brother-in-law Daniel >> Wild to patent. I wouldn't be surprised. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:04 PM

We have a John Hartwell Pace in Fluvanna co,Va in the middle to late 1800's, who married Fannie Houchens, and I believe there was another Hartwell Pace. I have a list of the children of John and Fanny. I believe there was a Hartwell Pace earlier. . Can anyone find a Hartwell Pace connection elsewhere?possibly a tie to Henry Hartwell. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] Richard Pace in York Co. > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > > To clarify and correct, here is what Tyler says: > > "In that part of the town east of the church tower, first called "New > Towne", the land on Orchard Run had come into the hands of James > Chudleigh, who was the second husband of Ann Holder. She obtained it > partly by gift from her first husband's father, William Briscoe, Sen., a > blacksmith, and partly by inheritance from her own father, Richard Holder. > James Chudleigh's neighbor was William Edwards, Jr., son of William > Edwards, clerk of the council, who had purchased from Chudleigh an acre on > the river. Thomas Holliday had property adjoining Edwards, and next to > him was Henry Hartwell, Esq., one of the council, whose western line was > about 550 feet from Orchard Run..." ("Cradle of the Republic", pp78-79). > > James > > >> >> In "The Cradle of the Republic" pp78-79, Lyon G. >> Tyler describes some of the buildings of James City. >> Hartwell's home was next to William Edwards Jr, and next >> to him was the home of James Chudleigh. Chudleigh's >> wife Ann was Ann Holder, daughter of Richard Holder. Ann >> Holder married as her first husband William Briscoe Jr, son >> of the William Briscoe who married the relict of Richard >> Pace. Whew! >> >> The Richard Pace whose widow married William Briscoe Sr was >> perhaps the same person as the Richard Pace who sat on the >> jury escheating land for Chesley's brother-in-law Daniel >> Wild to patent. I wouldn't be surprised. >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hartwell Hines was guardian (1796, Nash Co) to orphans of John Jones, d. by 1796, wife Ann, said to be Ann Pace. I don't know if it's proved that she was Ann Pace, though. A John Jones also married an Ann Coffield, and on balance, having looked at the known associates of the Coffield family, it looks to me like Ann Coffield iss more likely to have been the mother of the children Hartwell Hines was guardian to. In which case this is not relevant. If it really was Ann Pace, then I do think it's relevant, because Hartwell Hines aunt, Sarah Hines, was married to Lazarus Drake, probably close kin to the Thomas Drake who sold land in Edgecombe to Richard Pace of Prince George in 1759. These Hineses were of Albemarle Parish, VA, later Sussex Co. Father of Hartwell Hines was Joshua Hines, whose sister was Sarah Hines Drake. James --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Henry Hartwell > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 6:11 AM > We have a John Hartwell Pace in Fluvanna co,Va in the middle > to late 1800's, who married Fannie Houchens, and I > believe there was another Hartwell Pace. I have a list of > the children of John and Fanny. I believe there was a > Hartwell Pace earlier. > . Can anyone find a Hartwell Pace connection > elsewhere?possibly a tie to Henry Hartwell. > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] > Please remove [email protected] from your address books and > files so that we can stay in touch! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [PACE] Richard Pace in York Co. > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, James Blair > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > To clarify and correct, here is what Tyler says: > > > > "In that part of the town east of the church > tower, first called "New Towne", the land on > Orchard Run had come into the hands of James Chudleigh, who > was the second husband of Ann Holder. She obtained it > partly by gift from her first husband's father, William > Briscoe, Sen., a blacksmith, and partly by inheritance from > her own father, Richard Holder. James Chudleigh's > neighbor was William Edwards, Jr., son of William Edwards, > clerk of the council, who had purchased from Chudleigh an > acre on the river. Thomas Holliday had property adjoining > Edwards, and next to him was Henry Hartwell, Esq., one of > the council, whose western line was about 550 feet from > Orchard Run..." ("Cradle of the Republic", > pp78-79). > > > > James > > > > > >> > >> In "The Cradle of the Republic" pp78-79, > Lyon G. > >> Tyler describes some of the buildings of James > City. > >> Hartwell's home was next to William Edwards > Jr, and next > >> to him was the home of James Chudleigh. > Chudleigh's > >> wife Ann was Ann Holder, daughter of Richard > Holder. Ann > >> Holder married as her first husband William > Briscoe Jr, son > >> of the William Briscoe who married the relict of > Richard > >> Pace. Whew! > >> > >> The Richard Pace whose widow married William > Briscoe Sr was > >> perhaps the same person as the Richard Pace who > sat on the > >> jury escheating land for Chesley's > brother-in-law Daniel > >> Wild to patent. I wouldn't be surprised. > >> > >> James > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > >> the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I'm currently living in Germany for the next year. If anyone needs me to research any records, photograph anything, or visit a Pace-related town--here, in England, or elsewhere in Europe--please drop me a line. Kaarin

Sicely Walker Pace that married Samuel Newton Woods is the daughter of Henning Pace and grand daughter of Sicely Walker that married William Pace Sr. The problem we have at the moment is locating some primary documentation for the family of Henning Pace. I can show documentation of Henning and my Alsey Pace together (both children of William Pace Sr.), I can show Alsey in Franklin County NC as son of William Pace. Anyone out there with some documentation on Henning's family??? Shirley Pace Graham In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:47:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi I put Sicely walker name in search on ancestry .com.The results I got was Sicely Walker Pace married to samuel Mewton Woods.They have Sicelys birth as 1807, and her marriage date as 1828 in Tenn.I also saw a joel H.S. Walker, m. Charlotte R.Robertson date 28 Dec.1836 Mary > From: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:37:55 -0500> To: [email protected]> CC: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] DAR + Henning Pace> > Dear Gordon,> > First, I am very sorry, I made an error in my communication to you--- > apologize to you and the Pace list-I did not ask the question correctly.. I > intended to ask about Henning Pace's daughter Sicely Walker Pace. I see I did not > include Henning Pace's name, and must have thought you could read my mind. > > The last paragraph of your reply points out the question I had. Where did > we obtain the name Sicely Walker Pace as a daughter of Henning Pace? Where > did we obtain the exact birth and death dates for she and 4 other of Henning's > children? > > The name Sicely Walker Pace given as a daughter of Henning is a key to > showing that the same William Pace lived in Edgecombe, married Sicely Walker, > moved to Franklin County NC, then moved on to Robertson/Montgomery Counties in > Tennessee. > > I d! o have the originals of all the Bruce Howard abstracts, I believe they > are on the Pace Society data base, as well as the deed that William Walker made > to Sicely Walker, that proves Sicely Walker and Sicely Pace are the same > person by the legal description of the land, which is the same in both deeds. > > One of the points that I like to make concerning who the father of William > Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be:> John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer to the William > Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than George Pace and wife > Patience did in Halifax County. > > Shirley > > > In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:14:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes:> > This is in response to a direct inquiry from my cousin, Shirley Pace Graham, > re the source of Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. of > Montgomery Co, TN. > Shirley: > My main source for Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. is > from Bru! ce Howard's book, Our Colonial Ancestors. If you have the book, please > refer to pages 117-120 and pages 326-329. On page 119 Bruce states: "He > [William] married previous to the year 1773 to Miss Sesley Walker, daughter of > Mr. William Walker." I believe that Sesley was a phonetic mispelling of > Sicely. William Walker had 5 known children, including Cally Walker and Joel > Walker. These are the same given names of one of William's daughters and one of > his sons. Cally was a very rare given name at that time. > Although our DNA test results indicated that our William Pace, Sr. could > have been a son of George Pace and Patience Howell, you opined that the William > Pace who was a son of George and Patience had a birth year which was > inconsistent with the birth year of our William. However, I am not convinced of > this. In a deed transcribed on p 328 of Bruce's book it says: "William Pace and > Patience Pace his mother". The deed was witnessed by Temperance Pace, > daughter of George Pace and Matthew Howell, brother of Patience Howell, w! ho was a > daughter of Thomas Howell. Bruce knew that George's wife was named Patience > but did not know her surname. I believe that subsequently it has been firmly > established that it was Howell. > You asked about some birth dates: Martha Patsy Pace m. Gideon Harris in > 1803. Bruce says she was the 2nd child of William so, if true, was b. abt. > 1773. He says she m. David Jarnagan in 1789. Henning E. Pace's gravestone in > Buttram's Cemetery in AR shows b. 1813. Source of 1/1/1813 is unknown to me. > For Gideon G. Pace I have two suggested birth years: 1775 or 1784. I don't > know what the sources are. > The most compelling evidence for me as to the name of William Pace, Sr's > wife is the fact that William's son Henning Pace named a daughter Sicely Walker > Pace, after his mother. Henning was a very dominant member of William's > family, having pioneered their move from NC to Montgomery Co, TN.> > Gordon W. Pace> > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > S! ent: Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: D AR + Henning Pace > > Dear Gordon,> > I have been accepted into the DAR through our William Pace who signed a > Bute County NC Oath in support of North Carolina. I will post this to the > list in general when I decide exactly what I want to say. > > Hope you have a minute to let me know if you have the following or where > I can obtain it: > > Have we got anything that shows where the name Sicely Walker Pace came > from? I cannot locate anything in my files. I thought it was in one of the > biographies, but she is in nothing I can find here at the house. She is the key > to show that our William is the one who married Sicely Walker, then lived > Franklin County NC and on to Tennessee. > > Have we got anything that shows where we obtained the exact birth dates > of children Sicely Walker, Martha Harris, Henning E. and Gideon G. ??> > Marjorie Bernards ?? Group sheet?? 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Although George Pace had a wife named Patience (and William Pace of Robertson Co named a daughter Patience), it doesn't seem to be that uncommon a name. Didn't Josiah Eley, whose name I have seen in several Franklin Co deeds which also mention William Pace, mention a daughter Patience Norfleet Eley in his will? I'm not very familiar with the records, but I did notice that. Various websites say that James Denby (Henney Pace witnessed deed of gift to Martha Eley) was married to Patience Norfleet of the Nansemond Norfleets. I don't know whether that has been proved. There does seems to have been some kind of connection between this William Pace of Franklin Co and the Eleys. However, there doesn't seem to be a connection with Richard or John Pace of Edgecombe. A lot of these people seem to have come from Nansemond Co. Maybe that's where William Pace came from. James --- On Tue, 1/13/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > One of the points that I like to make concerning who the > father of William > Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be: > John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer > to the William > Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than > George Pace and wife > Patience did in Halifax County. >

--- On Wed, 1/14/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: To clarify and correct, here is what Tyler says: "In that part of the town east of the church tower, first called "New Towne", the land on Orchard Run had come into the hands of James Chudleigh, who was the second husband of Ann Holder. She obtained it partly by gift from her first husband's father, William Briscoe, Sen., a blacksmith, and partly by inheritance from her own father, Richard Holder. James Chudleigh's neighbor was William Edwards, Jr., son of William Edwards, clerk of the council, who had purchased from Chudleigh an acre on the river. Thomas Holliday had property adjoining Edwards, and next to him was Henry Hartwell, Esq., one of the council, whose western line was about 550 feet from Orchard Run..." ("Cradle of the Republic", pp78-79). James > > In "The Cradle of the Republic" pp78-79, Lyon G. > Tyler describes some of the buildings of James City. > Hartwell's home was next to William Edwards Jr, and next > to him was the home of James Chudleigh. Chudleigh's > wife Ann was Ann Holder, daughter of Richard Holder. Ann > Holder married as her first husband William Briscoe Jr, son > of the William Briscoe who married the relict of Richard > Pace. Whew! > > The Richard Pace whose widow married William Briscoe Sr was > perhaps the same person as the Richard Pace who sat on the > jury escheating land for Chesley's brother-in-law Daniel > Wild to patent. I wouldn't be surprised. > > James > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

7 November 1656: Thomas Pace of Bath, Somerset, gent., bound to John White, merchant, to serve four years in VA. (from Peter Coldham, Complete book of Immigrants, p331) The county into which Thomas Pace, gent. was brought is not specified. 28 Aug 1643, John White patented 1 acre in James City, west upon the church yard, east upon the land appertaining to the state house". According to APVA (http://www.apva.org/finding/str3.html), this John White was a merchant/politician, who built a house/warehouse on the site. This is one of the structures whose remains have been discovered. Since APVA call him a merchant/politician, he was presumably the same person as John White who served as Burgess for James City in 1641 (Boddie, SVF, p.169). After his death his widow married William Corker; this is the same William Corker who in 1660 received a headright certificate naming Richard Pace, among others. William Corker, in turn, was named as headright not once but twice by Nicholas Meriwether -- he who patented land jointly with Philip Chesley, brother-in-law of Daniel Wild who got the land escheated by Richard Pace (and other obviously) in York Co. If John White was the merchant who brought in Thomas Pace, gent., from Bath, could that Thomas Pace, gent., have been related to the Richard Pace who appears on the headright certificate issued to Wm Corker who married John White's widow? Might the two Paces have come at the same time, perhaps been related? Just wondering. Wm Corker had three daughters, two by his first wife and one with John White's widow. Daughter Susanna married George Branch; daughter Lucy married (2) Thomas Jordan, and had Mary Jordan who married Francis Sowerby. Francis Sowerby appeared on Col. William Browne's tithable list in 1668, 1669, and 1770. James

Hi Did Sicely have a daughter named Sicely? Mary> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:46:41 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] DAR + Henning Pace> > > Hi> I put Sicely walker name in search on ancestry .com.The results I got was Sicely Walker Pace > married to samuel Mewton Woods.They have Sicelys birth as 1807, and her marriage date as> 1828 in Tenn.I also saw a joel H.S. Walker, m. Charlotte R.Robertson date 28 Dec.1836> Mary> > From: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:37:55 -0500> To: [email protected]> CC: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] DAR + Henning Pace> > Dear Gordon,> > First, I am very sorry, I made an error in my communication to you--- > apologize to you and the Pace list-I did not ask the question correctly.. I > intended to ask about Henning Pace's daughter Sicely Walker Pace. I see I did not > include Henning Pace's name, and must have thought you could read my mind. > > The last paragraph of your reply points out the question I had. Where did > we obtain the name Sicely Walker Pace as a daughter of Henning Pace? Where > did we obtain the exact birth and death dates for she and 4 other of Henning's > children? > > The name Sicely Walker Pace given as a daughter of Henning is a key to > showing that the same William Pace lived in Edgecombe, married Sicely Walker, > moved to Franklin County NC, then moved on to Robertson/Montgomery Counties in > Tennessee. > > I d!> o have the originals of all the Bruce Howard abstracts, I believe they > are on the Pace Society data base, as well as the deed that William Walker made > to Sicely Walker, that proves Sicely Walker and Sicely Pace are the same > person by the legal description of the land, which is the same in both deeds. > > One of the points that I like to make concerning who the father of William > Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be:> John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer to the William > Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than George Pace and wife > Patience did in Halifax County. > > Shirley > > > In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:14:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes:> > This is in response to a direct inquiry from my cousin, Shirley Pace Graham, > re the source of Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. of > Montgomery Co, TN. > Shirley: > My main source for Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. is > from Bru!> ce Howard's book, Our Colonial Ancestors. If you have the book, please> > refer to pages 117-120 and pages 326-329. On page 119 Bruce states: "He > [William] married previous to the year 1773 to Miss Sesley Walker, daughter of > Mr. William Walker." I believe that Sesley was a phonetic mispelling of > Sicely. William Walker had 5 known children, including Cally Walker and Joel > Walker. These are the same given names of one of William's daughters and one of > his sons. Cally was a very rare given name at that time. > Although our DNA test results indicated that our William Pace, Sr. could > have been a son of George Pace and Patience Howell, you opined that the William > Pace who was a son of George and Patience had a birth year which was > inconsistent with the birth year of our William. However, I am not convinced of > this. In a deed transcribed on p 328 of Bruce's book it says: "William Pace and > Patience Pace his mother". The deed was witnessed by Temperance Pace, > daughter of George Pace and Matthew Howell, brother of Patience Howell, w!> ho was a > daughter of Thomas Howell. Bruce knew that George's wife was named Patience > but did not know her surname. I believe that subsequently it has been firmly > established that it was Howell. > You asked about some birth dates: Martha Patsy Pace m. Gideon Harris in > 1803. Bruce says she was the 2nd child of William so, if true, was b. abt. > 1773. He says she m. David Jarnagan in 1789. Henning E. Pace's gravestone in > Buttram's Cemetery in AR shows b. 1813. Source of 1/1/1813 is unknown to me. > For Gideon G. Pace I have two suggested birth years: 1775 or 1784. I don't > know what the sources are. > The most compelling evidence for me as to the name of William Pace, Sr's > wife is the fact that William's son Henning Pace named a daughter Sicely Walker > Pace, after his mother. Henning was a very dominant member of William's > family, having pioneered their move from NC to Montgomery Co, TN.> > Gordon W. Pace> > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > S!> ent: Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: D> AR + Henning Pace > > Dear Gordon,> > I have been accepted into the DAR through our William Pace who signed a > Bute County NC Oath in support of North Carolina. I will post this to the > list in general when I decide exactly what I want to say. > > Hope you have a minute to let me know if you have the following or where > I can obtain it: > > Have we got anything that shows where the name Sicely Walker Pace came > from? I cannot locate anything in my files. I thought it was in one of the > biographies, but she is in nothing I can find here at the house. She is the key > to show that our William is the one who married Sicely Walker, then lived > Franklin County NC and on to Tennessee. > > Have we got anything that shows where we obtained the exact birth dates > of children Sicely Walker, Martha Harris, Henning E. and Gideon G. ??> > Marjorie Bernards ?? Group sheet?? 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Hi I put Sicely walker name in search on ancestry .com.The results I got was Sicely Walker Pace married to samuel Mewton Woods.They have Sicelys birth as 1807, and her marriage date as 1828 in Tenn.I also saw a joel H.S. Walker, m. Charlotte R.Robertson date 28 Dec.1836 Mary > From: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:37:55 -0500> To: [email protected]> CC: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] DAR + Henning Pace> > Dear Gordon,> > First, I am very sorry, I made an error in my communication to you--- > apologize to you and the Pace list-I did not ask the question correctly.. I > intended to ask about Henning Pace's daughter Sicely Walker Pace. I see I did not > include Henning Pace's name, and must have thought you could read my mind. > > The last paragraph of your reply points out the question I had. Where did > we obtain the name Sicely Walker Pace as a daughter of Henning Pace? Where > did we obtain the exact birth and death dates for she and 4 other of Henning's > children? > > The name Sicely Walker Pace given as a daughter of Henning is a key to > showing that the same William Pace lived in Edgecombe, married Sicely Walker, > moved to Franklin County NC, then moved on to Robertson/Montgomery Counties in > Tennessee. > > I do have the originals of all the Bruce Howard abstracts, I believe they > are on the Pace Society data base, as well as the deed that William Walker made > to Sicely Walker, that proves Sicely Walker and Sicely Pace are the same > person by the legal description of the land, which is the same in both deeds. > > One of the points that I like to make concerning who the father of William > Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be:> John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer to the William > Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than George Pace and wife > Patience did in Halifax County. > > Shirley > > > In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:14:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes:> > This is in response to a direct inquiry from my cousin, Shirley Pace Graham, > re the source of Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. of > Montgomery Co, TN. > Shirley: > My main source for Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. is > from Bruce Howard's book, Our Colonial Ancestors. If you have the book, please > refer to pages 117-120 and pages 326-329. On page 119 Bruce states: "He > [William] married previous to the year 1773 to Miss Sesley Walker, daughter of > Mr. William Walker." I believe that Sesley was a phonetic mispelling of > Sicely. William Walker had 5 known children, including Cally Walker and Joel > Walker. These are the same given names of one of William's daughters and one of > his sons. Cally was a very rare given name at that time. > Although our DNA test results indicated that our William Pace, Sr. could > have been a son of George Pace and Patience Howell, you opined that the William > Pace who was a son of George and Patience had a birth year which was > inconsistent with the birth year of our William. However, I am not convinced of > this. In a deed transcribed on p 328 of Bruce's book it says: "William Pace and > Patience Pace his mother". The deed was witnessed by Temperance Pace, > daughter of George Pace and Matthew Howell, brother of Patience Howell, who was a > daughter of Thomas Howell. Bruce knew that George's wife was named Patience > but did not know her surname. I believe that subsequently it has been firmly > established that it was Howell. > You asked about some birth dates: Martha Patsy Pace m. Gideon Harris in > 1803. Bruce says she was the 2nd child of William so, if true, was b. abt. > 1773. He says she m. David Jarnagan in 1789. Henning E. Pace's gravestone in > Buttram's Cemetery in AR shows b. 1813. Source of 1/1/1813 is unknown to me. > For Gideon G. Pace I have two suggested birth years: 1775 or 1784. I don't > know what the sources are. > The most compelling evidence for me as to the name of William Pace, Sr's > wife is the fact that William's son Henning Pace named a daughter Sicely Walker > Pace, after his mother. Henning was a very dominant member of William's > family, having pioneered their move from NC to Montgomery Co, TN.> > Gordon W. Pace> > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: DAR + Henning Pace > > Dear Gordon,> > I have been accepted into the DAR through our William Pace who signed a > Bute County NC Oath in support of North Carolina. I will post this to the > list in general when I decide exactly what I want to say. > > Hope you have a minute to let me know if you have the following or where > I can obtain it: > > Have we got anything that shows where the name Sicely Walker Pace came > from? I cannot locate anything in my files. I thought it was in one of the > biographies, but she is in nothing I can find here at the house. She is the key > to show that our William is the one who married Sicely Walker, then lived > Franklin County NC and on to Tennessee. > > Have we got anything that shows where we obtained the exact birth dates > of children Sicely Walker, Martha Harris, Henning E. and Gideon G. ??> > Marjorie Bernards ?? Group sheet?? With references?? other possible > might be Mildred Riggs???> > Shirley> > > > > > > ____________________________________> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www> .freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=DecemailfooterNO> 62) > > ________________________________________> > PeoplePC Online> > A better way to Internet> > http://www.peoplepc.com> > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/defaul> t.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message