I have been looking into to Howell family research on the web. The line back from Thomas Howell is rather interesting, there being a connection to the Lanes, who in turn drop back down their line to some Paces. However, according to these sources, the Matthew Howell in Thomas's will would have to be a contemporary of William Pace. His sister would have been of the same generation, and therefore, could not have been William's mother. This, of course, is not primary information. James R. Pace --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Ricky Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ricky Pace <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] NC, George Pace, wife Patience To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:16 AM You probably have already seen this. This info came from Gordon W. Pace: "Patience Pace is named as a daughter of Thomas Howell in his will dated 2/10/1794. Also, the will of George Pace of Halifax Co names sons John and William and it is witnessed by Matthew Howell on 1/7/1773, brother of Patience Howell above. This is the primary evidence for Patience Howell as the wife of George Pace of Halifax Co, NC." Patience is listed in the Tax Records: Patiance Pace 1786 Halifax Co Distict #2 Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: [PACE] NC, George Pace, wife Patience > Can anyone tell me, has Patience's maiden name been proved? I have read > that it was Howell but is there proof? > > James > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. James --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Ricky Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Ricky Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] NC, George Pace, wife Patience > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 12:16 PM > You probably have already seen this. > > This info came from Gordon W. Pace: > "Patience Pace is named as a daughter of Thomas Howell > in his will dated 2/10/1794. Also, the will of George Pace > of Halifax Co names sons John and William and it is > witnessed by Matthew Howell on 1/7/1773, brother of Patience > Howell above. > This is the primary evidence for Patience Howell as the > wife of George Pace of Halifax Co, NC." > > Patience is listed in the Tax Records: Patiance Pace 1786 > Halifax Co Distict #2 > > Ricky > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:41 PM > Subject: [PACE] NC, George Pace, wife Patience > > > > Can anyone tell me, has Patience's maiden name > been proved? I have read that it was Howell but is there > proof? > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Can anyone tell me, has Patience's maiden name been proved? I have read that it was Howell but is there proof? James

Any idea why it is called Ware Neck? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [PACE] Bland's path > This may not be of interest to many, but I mention it in case someone > finds it useful. > > There is another deed which mentions the Corkers, Rolfe, etc: > > "Major WILLM. MARRIOTT, 1460 acs. Surry Co., known as Ware Neck, neare the > Divills Wood Yard SW adj Mr Roilph, the cart path to Mr Warren's to Ware > Neck, to Spiltimbers, to Blands path, along Besse's SWng path to Mirell's, > &c. 1150 acs. granted Mr. John Corker 20 Oct 1661 & by him and > his son Wm. sold to sd. Marriott; 310 acs..." (James City County-Surry > County Abstracts of Land Patents p94) > > The interesting thing is the mention of "Blands path". "Blands path", as > previously discussed, is also mentioned as a boundary in several patents > in Westover, including some which refer to land of Richard Pace or his > known neighbors such as Drayton, Wilkins, etc. > > The Westover patents which mention "Blands path" are considerably to the > west of the land which Corker sold to Marriott, which was over in James > City, near Upper Chippokes Creek if I haven't got lost. So I figure > Blands Path must have run from the area near where Richard Pace lived, in > Westover, eastward towards Upper Chippokes Creek. > > It has just occurred to me that "Blands path" might be named after Edward > Bland, who in 1650, together with Abraham Wood and others, made a famous > journey of exploration from Fort Henry towards the southwest, as described > by Bland in "The Discovery of New Brittaine". > > Edward Bland, Merchant, patented on 10 March 1647 in Charles City Co > "1,300 acres [in James City County] on the South side of James River, > about a mile from the head of Upper Chippokes Creek, from the path leading > to Swann Bay to the Indian fields. Due for transportation of 26 persons, > including Edward Bland, James Bland, Elizabeth Bland, and 23 others > individually named." (Virginia Patents, 2:115) > > There are different opinions on what route Bland took to the southwest, > based on what his description of the journey. Alan V. Briceland wrote a > very interesting analysis of Bland's journey, putting forward (of course) > his own interpretation. He reckons that before turning south, Bland > travelled east along the Blackwater, towards James City/Surry. However, I > don't think "Blands path" would refer to the route Bland took on his > journey of exploration. "Blands path" seems to be further north, nearer > the head of the creek. It may just be a path which Bland opened between > James City and Westover. > > Briceland's article is very interesting reading, and has maps of the > various possible routes as well as background on the Bland family and > those who went with Bland. It appeared in "The Virginia Magazine of > History and Biography", Vol. 87, No. 2 (Apr., 1979), pp. 131-157. > > James > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Here's a description of the land William Corker bought >> from Thomas Rolfe, from "Virginia: A Guide to the Old >> Dominion" (WPA): >> >> "...one hundred & fivety Acres of land in Surry >> County lyeing between Smith's fort old feild & the >> Divill's Woodyard Swampe...being due unto the said Rolfe >> by Guift from the Indyan King." >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

No, sorry. Sometimes (I've read) "ware" means a "weir", which the online Merriam-Webster says is: 1 : a fence or enclosure set in a waterway for taking fish 2 : a dam in a stream or river to raise the water level or divert its flow Whether that applied in this case, I don't know. James --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Bland's path & Ware Neck-Surry Co > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 8:27 AM > Any idea why it is called Ware Neck? > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] > Please remove [email protected] from your address books and > files so that we can stay in touch! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:29 AM > Subject: [PACE] Bland's path > > > > This may not be of interest to many, but I mention it > in case someone finds it useful. > > > > There is another deed which mentions the Corkers, > Rolfe, etc: > > > > "Major WILLM. MARRIOTT, 1460 acs. Surry Co., > known as Ware Neck, neare the Divills Wood Yard SW adj Mr > Roilph, the cart path to Mr Warren's to Ware Neck, to > Spiltimbers, to Blands path, along Besse's SWng path to > Mirell's, &c. 1150 acs. granted Mr. John Corker 20 > Oct 1661 & by him and > > his son Wm. sold to sd. Marriott; 310 acs..." > (James City County-Surry County Abstracts of Land Patents > p94) > > > > The interesting thing is the mention of "Blands > path". "Blands path", as previously > discussed, is also mentioned as a boundary in several > patents in Westover, including some which refer to land of > Richard Pace or his known neighbors such as Drayton, > Wilkins, etc. > > > > The Westover patents which mention "Blands > path" are considerably to the west of the land which > Corker sold to Marriott, which was over in James City, near > Upper Chippokes Creek if I haven't got lost. So I > figure Blands Path must have run from the area near where > Richard Pace lived, in Westover, eastward towards Upper > Chippokes Creek. > > > > It has just occurred to me that "Blands > path" might be named after Edward Bland, who in 1650, > together with Abraham Wood and others, made a famous journey > of exploration from Fort Henry towards the southwest, as > described by Bland in "The Discovery of New > Brittaine". > > > > Edward Bland, Merchant, patented on 10 March 1647 in > Charles City Co "1,300 acres [in James City County] on > the South side of James River, about a mile from the head of > Upper Chippokes Creek, from the path leading to Swann Bay to > the Indian fields. Due for transportation of 26 persons, > including Edward Bland, James Bland, Elizabeth Bland, and 23 > others individually named." (Virginia Patents, 2:115) > > > > There are different opinions on what route Bland took > to the southwest, based on what his description of the > journey. Alan V. Briceland wrote a very interesting > analysis of Bland's journey, putting forward (of course) > his own interpretation. He reckons that before turning > south, Bland travelled east along the Blackwater, towards > James City/Surry. However, I don't think "Blands > path" would refer to the route Bland took on his > journey of exploration. "Blands path" seems to be > further north, nearer the head of the creek. It may just be > a path which Bland opened between James City and Westover. > > > > Briceland's article is very interesting reading, > and has maps of the various possible routes as well as > background on the Bland family and those who went with > Bland. It appeared in "The Virginia Magazine of > History and Biography", Vol. 87, No. 2 (Apr., 1979), > pp. 131-157. > > > > James > > > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, James Blair > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Here's a description of the land William > Corker bought > >> from Thomas Rolfe, from "Virginia: A Guide to > the Old > >> Dominion" (WPA): > >> > >> "...one hundred & fivety Acres of land in > Surry > >> County lyeing between Smith's fort old feild > & the > >> Divill's Woodyard Swampe...being due unto the > said Rolfe > >> by Guift from the Indyan King." > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

This may not be of interest to many, but I mention it in case someone finds it useful. There is another deed which mentions the Corkers, Rolfe, etc: "Major WILLM. MARRIOTT, 1460 acs. Surry Co., known as Ware Neck, neare the Divills Wood Yard SW adj Mr Roilph, the cart path to Mr Warren's to Ware Neck, to Spiltimbers, to Blands path, along Besse's SWng path to Mirell's, &c. 1150 acs. granted Mr. John Corker 20 Oct 1661 & by him and his son Wm. sold to sd. Marriott; 310 acs..." (James City County-Surry County Abstracts of Land Patents p94) The interesting thing is the mention of "Blands path". "Blands path", as previously discussed, is also mentioned as a boundary in several patents in Westover, including some which refer to land of Richard Pace or his known neighbors such as Drayton, Wilkins, etc. The Westover patents which mention "Blands path" are considerably to the west of the land which Corker sold to Marriott, which was over in James City, near Upper Chippokes Creek if I haven't got lost. So I figure Blands Path must have run from the area near where Richard Pace lived, in Westover, eastward towards Upper Chippokes Creek. It has just occurred to me that "Blands path" might be named after Edward Bland, who in 1650, together with Abraham Wood and others, made a famous journey of exploration from Fort Henry towards the southwest, as described by Bland in "The Discovery of New Brittaine". Edward Bland, Merchant, patented on 10 March 1647 in Charles City Co "1,300 acres [in James City County] on the South side of James River, about a mile from the head of Upper Chippokes Creek, from the path leading to Swann Bay to the Indian fields. Due for transportation of 26 persons, including Edward Bland, James Bland, Elizabeth Bland, and 23 others individually named." (Virginia Patents, 2:115) There are different opinions on what route Bland took to the southwest, based on what his description of the journey. Alan V. Briceland wrote a very interesting analysis of Bland's journey, putting forward (of course) his own interpretation. He reckons that before turning south, Bland travelled east along the Blackwater, towards James City/Surry. However, I don't think "Blands path" would refer to the route Bland took on his journey of exploration. "Blands path" seems to be further north, nearer the head of the creek. It may just be a path which Bland opened between James City and Westover. Briceland's article is very interesting reading, and has maps of the various possible routes as well as background on the Bland family and those who went with Bland. It appeared in "The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography", Vol. 87, No. 2 (Apr., 1979), pp. 131-157. James --- On Mon, 2/2/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > Here's a description of the land William Corker bought > from Thomas Rolfe, from "Virginia: A Guide to the Old > Dominion" (WPA): > > "...one hundred & fivety Acres of land in Surry > County lyeing between Smith's fort old feild & the > Divill's Woodyard Swampe...being due unto the said Rolfe > by Guift from the Indyan King." >

In 1751 Daniel Mabry wasn't selling the Pace-Bradford land, he was being given it by his father Hinchia Mabry. Apologies for my error. James

The will of Solomon Pace (son of Richard and Rebecca's son William) was proved in Northampton Co in 1795. In it he mentions Elizabeth Bedingfield: "To my daughter Fanny Bedingfield, alias Pace, the daughter of Elizabeth Bedingfield, if she live to have a living child of her own body, either legitimate or illegitimate, the land whereon I now live...." Elizabeth Bedingfield might have been the daughter of Thomas Bedingfield, whose will, proved Northampton Co 1779, mentions daughter Betty Bedingfield. This will also mentions Elizabeth Hicks (without stating a relationship) and is proved by Elias Hilliard and John Smith. (Will Book 1, p216) Elias Hilliard was the son of William Hilliard, whose will of 1764 mentions son Elias and "340 acres in Northampton County that I bought of Richard Pace". An entry of 1772 shows Sheriff Grandberry selling 500 acres which Thomas Pace, dec'd, had owned. That would be due to the warehouse fire, no doubt. The land is described as joining William Pace, Solomon Pace, and Elias Hilliard, among others. Thomas Bedingfield was mentioned in the will (Surry Co 1747) of his father Henry Bedingfield, who had land in Brunswick on Beaverdam Swamp and Pea Hill Creek. Henry Bedingfield was married first to a Martha, perhaps Martha Hicks, daughter of Robert Hicks (mentioned as Martha Bedinfield in the will of Robert Hicks, Brunswick Co 1739, Will Book 2, p3). The Hicks will also mentions his daughter Elizabeth, who may be the Elizabeth Hicks mentioned in the will of Thomas Bedingfield. Henry Bedingfield (d. 1747 Surry Co.) was a witness to the will of Francis Maybury, proved 1712 Surry Co.) Francis Maybury was the third husband of Elizabeth Gilliam, daughter of John Gilliam. Her first husband was a West. Elizabeth Gilliam West was the mother of the John West who bought land from George Pace in Prince George Co in 1715. Later, as Elizabeth Gilliam West Bevin Maybury, she became mother of Hinchia Mabry. So Hinchia Mabry and John West were half-brothers. Hinchia Mabry, son of Francis and Elizabeth Gilliam Maybury, was the one who in 1750 bought from Nathaniel Bradford and Richard Moore the land that Richard Pace (m. Rebecca) patented in 1718 and then deeded to his son-in-law John Bradford. Hinchia Mabry was the father of Joshua Mabry, whose son Stephen married Tabitha Nance, daughter of the William Nance who had land in Mecklenburg Co adj William Lambert. Hinchia Mabry was also father of Daniel Mabry, who in 1751 sold the Pace-Bradford land, which he had inherited from his father: "Indenture made 27 March 1751 between Henchia Mabry the Elder of St. Andrews Parish, brunswick County, and Nathaniell Mabry and Daniel Mabry sons of the said Henchia Mabry of same, for L&A, all that tract or parcel of Land lying and being in the County of Brusnwick aforesaid Between the three Creeks and the otterdam swamp containing 680a, it being the tract of land which the said Henchia Mabry by deed of B&S dated 27 March 1750 pruchased of Ricahrd More. Signed Henchia Mabry (bhm). Wit: Lewis Parham, Thomas Stagg, william Smith. Court 27 March 1751, Deed of Gift was acnkowledged by Hinchia Mabry. Deed Book 5, Page 76." Daniel Mabry was the father of Parham Mabry: "THIS INDENTURE made this twenty eighth day of August one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven BETWEEN Parham Mabry of the Borough of Petersburg of the one part, and Elizabeth Jones Mabry and Jean Hobbs (two of my Sisters) of the other part, Witnesseth that I (Transcribers Note: "the said" was erased in the record and "I" added) Parham Mabry doth agreeable and according to my Father's Daniel Mabry's directions and instructions..."(Deed Book 2, page 9, Greensville Co.VA.) Parham Mabry was one of the witnesses of the will of Solomon Pace. Also of interest: "Indenture made 6 October 1748, between Thomas Jones Junr. & Mary his wife of St. Andrew Parish, Brunswick County, and John Robert Jones, brother to the said Thomas Jones, of same, for Love and Affection, on South side of Crooked run, 400a, part of a tract of Land containing 404a granted by Letters patent dated 25 November 1743 to Thomas Jones brother to John Robert Jones. Signed Thomas Jones and Mary Jones (bhm). Witnesses: Hugh Williams, Joshua Mabry, Reaps Jones. Brunswick Deed Book 3, Page 502." "Indenture made 4 October 1748, between Thomas Jones & Mary his wife of St. Andrew Parish, Brunswick County and Charles Irby and Susannah Irby his wife of Raleigh Parish, Amelia County and Hugh Lamberth of Northfarnham Parish, Richmond County, œ30, on South side Crooked Run, 604a. Signed Charles Irby, Susann Irby, Thomas Jones, and Mary Jones (bhm). Witnesses: Nicholas Lanier, Samuel Jones, Reaps Jones. Brunswick Deed Book 3, Page 504." Interesting because it shows an indirect connection between Joshua Mabry and Hugh Lambert. Joshua's son Daniel bought 577 acres on Rocky Run from Peter Butts in 1761. I don't know if that was near Hugh Lambert's land on Rocky Run. James

I'm looking to see what can be learned about these unplaced Paces. As far as I have found, Edward Pace is mentioned only in a patent to Richard Todd, Elizabeth City County, 9 October 1655: "600 acres ... 350 acres part of the land bounded &c. Beg. by the water side extending from the land of Edward Pace and up the creek ... and 250 acres the residue near the back river Northerly upon the land formerly John Graves's..." John Graves was the grandson of Thomas Graves who was a member of the Virginia Company and came in the Second Supply in 1608 (Dorman, AP&P, v2, p131). When William Epes, Commander of Smythe's Hundred, was arrested for killing Capt Stallings, Thomas Graves was asked by Yeardley to take over as Commander (also AP&P). Dorman says that John Graves (son of Thomas Graves' son Thomas) "owned 600 acres in Elizabeth City..., and to this land, which lay at the headwaters of Back River adjacent to York County, he subsequently added..." So this looks like the location of Todd's land that adj Edward Pace. Raleigh Croshaw, presumed father of Maj. Joseph Croshaw and his brother Richard (the relationship is not proved; see AP&P v1 p769 fn14 for Dorman's comments on its probability) also came in the Second Supply in 1698 along with Thomas Graves. The Graves and Croshaw families intermarried: Joseph Croshaw's daughter Rachel married John Graves' son Ralph. Thomas Graves' daughter Ann (she would be an aunt of the John Graves who had land in the same area as Edward Pace) was born about 1620 and, says Dorman, "married successively three ministers of Hungar's Parish, Accawmack." Presumably one of her three husbands would have been minister in April 1661, when John Pace, son of John and Mary Pace, was baptized. Let's see, yes, according to Dorman the minister in 1661 was Rev. Francis Doughty, Ann Graves' third husband. Whether there might have been any connection between Edward Pace of Elizabeth City County; John and Mary Pace of Hungars Parish; and James and Richard Pace of York Co., I have no idea. James

>> Does that mean some time in the last 300-400 years that 13710 shared a common ancestor with the rest of 3b?>> I ran the results comparing 13710 to the closest match, 76815, who also represents the modal for 3b. FTDNA calculates the odds as follows: 8 generations is 72.29% 10 generations is 84.07% 12 generations is 91.25% So I think the answer to your question is that yes, there is a strong probability. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jackie Pace Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:23 PM To: [email protected] Cc: jerry.pace Subject: [PACE] PACE, Thomas - 37 marker results 13710 group 3b Does that mean some time in the last 300-400 years that 13710 shared a common ancestor with the rest of 3b? Thomas PACE first appeared on an Maury Co, TN undated marriage bond to Catherine DONAHOO, Henry WEBSTER, Bondsman. No marriage record has been found, but marriage probably occurred between 1810 - 1816 *1820 Maury Co, TN; "PASE, Thomas - M (7 people) (after WEBSTER hh - a WEBSTER was his bondsman) *1830 Williamson Co, TN: Thomas PACE (8 people) - (aft Wm DODSON & his son m. a DOTSON) *1840 Williamson Co, TN: Thomas PACE: (9 people) - (then Caroline JOHNSON & his dau m. two JOHNSONS) *1850 Williamson Co, TN: "PACE, Thomas 57 farmer SC?..." (4 people) *1860 Williamson Co, TN: "Thomas 65 $500 pp NC can't read/write"...(9 people) On 28 Sep 1838, Thomas bought 100 acres of "a certain tract or parcel of land lying in Williamson County on the waters of Murphy's fork and Teipers Fork ... bordered by Kincheon SPARKMAN" from John or Isham ARENDELL (ARUNDEL) for $75 - recorded in 1856. Census suggests 9 children, but we only know of Thomas Jr (m.1845 to Nancy LOGSDON); Ann (m 1842 to Wm S HUFF); Rachel (m 1835 Meredy JOHNSON & 1844 James JOHNSON); Amanda (unknown); and Joachim L. "Joac" (m. 1st 1843 Jane DOTSON; (maybe 2nd) bef 1850 to Emily J, & m...... 2nd or 3rd 1870 to Nancy E MCKAINEY). About 1865, Catherine died, and Thomas, a shoemaker by trade, was living his property shared with his dau Ann HUFF (HOUGH) & her family. In 1867, much to the consternation of his children, lonely Thomas married widow Viney BROWN with 2 grown sons. As a reward for them caring for his needs, he deeded them 88 low-quality acres. His kids were furious! They went to court claiming their age-demented father was tricked by the BROWNS. Witnesses said his land was worn out, his cobbler skills were minimal, & he had never been too bright anyway. In the midst of this demeaning battle, Thomas died, & his kids won. In May 1868 the BROWN marriage was declared null & Ann got to keep the home place. Son Joachim (what a strange name!) bought land in Humphreys Co, TN from PHEBUS in Jan 1868. Before 1874 he bought more land from W.D. SMITH. By Jan 1884, he had died & S.G. JONES was appointed administrator. Family tradition & census records show "Joac" was father of at least 15 children by at least 2 wives... *but DNA proves we assumed too much! Joseph B PACE, b 1850-1850 is my husband's ancestor and his DNA (#12269) is *not* PACE DNA. His 1/2 cousin, descendant of Walter,(#13710) has the 37/35 DNA report, & is a 3b PACE Although my husband Jerry is not a biological PACE, he is a nurtured PACE. I'm very excited to open this door closed by DNA 5 years ago, and again opened by DNA.. Now I need a family for Thomas. Help needed! Jackie Ashley PACE The Woodlands, TX http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ashley42 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ashley http://www.familytreedna.com/public/RICHEY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: [PACE] 37 marker results 13710 group 3b > 37 marker results are in for kit 13710 showing 35/37 match with group 3b. > Kit 13710 cites ancestry to Thomas Pace 1990 NC. > > The two mutations do not match with the mutations of any other Paces in > that > group. This is not necessarily significant. > > Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1928 - Release Date: 1/31/2009 8:03 PM

James: I think we've discuss this before. There is a William Corker who lived just below Richard & Isabella's Paces Paines, and it was George Pace's 1650 patent that lists Richard Rawlins. Val -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: James Blair <[email protected]> > James Pace of York Co. died by 25 May 1673. Where did he come from, who did he > associate with, and was he related to the Paces of Charles City Co.? > > He was apparently adult by 1659 when he bought a gun at the estate sale of John > Marsh. So he must have been born by or before 1638, which means he was not a > younger brother of Richard Pace (m. Mary). > > To be descended from Richard and Isabella, he would have to be a younger brother > of George (m. Sarah Maycock). Or he might have been a later immigrant, > unrelated to Richard and Isabella. > > Another interesting question: was James Pace of York Co. related to the Richard > Pace who was claimed as headright by William Corker? > > Some additional information: > > As previously mentioned in this thread, in 1673 "William Major on behalf of Mr. > James Pace, entered a claim against the estate of Clement Marsh for _16 10sh > sterling." > > Also as previously mentioned, Clement Marsh married the relict of Maj. Joseph > Croshaw. Joseph Croshaw's brother, Richard Croshaw, died by May 1669 (will > proved, York Co); his widow married William Corker. > > That suggests (to me) that there might well have been a relationship between > James Pace (d. 1673) and the Richard Pace whom Corker claimed as headright. But > clearly it remains only a possibility. > > There is also the question of whether the Richard Pace who was claimed as > headright by William Corker was the same person as the Richard Pace whose widow > married William Briscoe. > > Several records in York Co, previously cited, show William Briscoe collecting or > paying debts connected with Richard Pace's ordinary. Briscoe's attorney, in > some of these court cases, is Roger Rawlings. For instance: > > "6 Sept 1681, Surry Co. Court Orders Book 3, page 348 > Roger Rawlins attorney of Wm Briskoe who married the relict of Rich. Pace dec'd. > Agst Mr. Fran. Taylor for expenses in the said Pace's ordinary." > > Roger Rawlings' brother-in-law was William Newsome. (Rawlings married Newsome's > sister Alice.) > > William Newsome's stepfather was George Watkins, who married the widow of > William Newsome's father, also called William Newsome. George Watkins' will > mentions "Elizabeth Spencer, my God-daughter, daughter of my well > > beloved friend, Captain Robert Spencer..." Robert Spencer married Elizabeth > White, daughter of William Corker's second wife. (See Boddie, "Southside > Virginia Families", p169; and "The Newsom Family: And Related Families of Surry, > Isle of Wight, Southampton and Sussex Counties, Va.", B. C. Holtzclaw, Virginia > Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 47, No. 4 (Oct., 1939), pp. 363-374) > > This shows that William Corker, who claimed headright for Richard Pace, was part > of the same web of relationships as Roger Rawlings who acted as attorney for > William Briscoe who married the widow of Richard Pace. It's not proof, but it > does seem to me that probably the Richard Pace who was claimed as headright was > the same Richard Pace who ran the ordinary. > > Another question: if the Richard Pace who ran the ordinary was the one who was > claimed by Corker as headright, what about Richard Pace who on 17 March 1673 > served on a jury which escheated the land of Cornelius Johnathan? > > The land was re-patented 26 March 1674 by Daniel Wyld. Daniel Wyld's > brother-in-law Philip Chesley patented land jointly with Nicholas Meriwether, > who was mentioned (together with Joseph Croshaw) in the nuncupative will of > William Corker. > > In the York court of Oct 1665, Daniel Wyld proved the will of Thomas Bromfield, > whose widow Mary remarried to Joseph Croshaw and, after Croshaw's death, to > Clement Marsh whose estate was in dispute with the estate of James Pace in 1673. > > I think these associations support (though they do not prove) the hypothesis > that the Richard Pace who sat on the escheating jury was the same Richard Pace > who was claimed by Corker as headright, ran the ordinary, and may have been > related to James Pace who by 1673 had died in York Co. > > One more question: what about the Richard Pace who appears with Francis Sowersby > on tithable lists in Surry Co for 1668, 1669, 1670? > > Francis Sowersby married Mary Jordan, daughter of Thomas Jordan and Jane Browne > (widow of Robert Spencer whose first wife was William Corker's stepdaughter > Elizabeth White. > > Thomas Jordan (Francis Sowersby's father-in-law) married as his second wife Lucy > Corker, daughter of William Corker. > > I think this supports the hypothesis that the Richard Pace who appeared with > Francis Sowersby on the tithable lists was the same Richard Pace who was claimed > by William Corker as headright. (Speculation: This also fits well with the > timing of the escheating jury record: if Richard Pace was a relation of James > Pace, who died by 1673, he might have moved to James Pace's land and thus become > available for jury duty. Pure speculation.) > > All in all, considering the various associations and interactions, my own > opinion is that James and Richard Pace of York probably WERE related to one > another. Whether either or both was related to any other Paces in Virginia is > anybody's guess, but I will mention again the record of 7 Nov 1656: "Thomas Pace > of Bath, Som gent, bound to John White, merchant, > to serve 4 years in Virginia." (Coldham, "The Complete Book of Emigrants > 1607-1660" pg 331). John White, whose widow married William Corker, was a > merchant in James City Co. It could be the same John White. > > James > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: James Blair <[email protected]> > > Subject: [PACE] James Pace d. York Co 1673 > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:19 AM > > In 1659, a James Pace attended the estate sale of John Marsh > > in York Co. VA; he bought a gun. Also present at the sale: > > Capt. Langley, Jeremiah Rawlings. [In 1683, Nicholas Ware > > patented 300 acres in New Kent County adj "land of > > Jeremiah Rawlins, decd". > > Nicholas Ware was a merchant and was related by marriage to > > the Vassall family. He is a forebear of the James Ware who > > is said to have married "Agnes Pace".] > > > > Fourteen years later, in 1673, also in York Co., > > "Mr" James Pace has died, and there is a dispute > > concerning his estate, and the estate of a Clement Marsh: > > > > 24 MAR 1673 William Major on behalf of Mr. James Pace, > > entered a claim against the estate of Clement Marsh for _16 > > 10sh sterling. > > > > 25 MAY 1673 James Pace , deceased. General Court ordered > > that no judgements should pass against his estate, so ref > > granted in diff betw his estate and estate of Clement Marsh > > -- perhaps, or perhaps not, a relative of the John Marsh at > > whose estate sale James Pace bought a gun. Also of > > interest: a William MAJOR is acting on behalf of Mr. James > > Pace. > > > > So who was Clement Marsh? I don't know, but he > > evidently had a dispute, in 1672, with Robert Spring: > > > > 11 JAN 1671/2 Know all men that I Clement Marsh stand > > indebted to Mr. Robert Spring, _130, upon demand of his > > executors, administrators, or assigns. > > > > 27 FEB 1671/2 Clement Marsh confessed judgement to Mr. > > Robert Spring for _130 sterling. > > > > [24 OCT 1683 Judgement granted Mr. William Briscoe (who > > married the relict of a Richard Pace) agn Mrs. Ann Spring > > exr of Mr. Robert Spring.] > > > > But Clement Marsh's main claim to fame is that he > > married the widow of Joseph Croshaw, son of Raleigh Croshaw > > who arrived in 1608 on the Second Supply. "27 FEB > > 1671/2 Clement Marsh to marry Mary Croshaw, agrees Mary has > > full power and authorization after marriage to her real and > > personal property and to give to her children or > > otherwise." Attagirl. > > > > Joseph Croshaw had five wives; the last, who outlived him, > > was Mary PERHAPS Ballard. Mary PERHAPS Ballard marred (1) > > Thomas Broomfield (2) Joseph Croshaw and (3) Clement Marsh. > > Mary PERHAPS Ballard was PERHAPS sister of Thomas Ballard, > > later to be sheriff of York Co. The Ballards and the > > Langleys (Capt. Langley, who was present at the estate sale > > of John Marsh} and the Majors were all intermarried; it > > would be very interesting to know if the Judith Major who > > married Henry Walker in Granville Co NC was related to these > > Majors. > > > > Joseph Croshaw's daughter Unity married (in 1654) John > > West, son of the Governor. Their son Nathaniel West married > > the widow of Gideon Macon. [24 OCT 1679 Judgement granted > > unto Wm Briscoe adm of estate of Richard Pace decd agn Jno > > Vaden adm of estate of Nick Toop decd for payment of 48sh > > sterling with costs. John Vaden enters Gideon Macon his > > attorney.] > > > > These records seem to show that the James Pace who died in > > York Co in 1673, and the Richard Pace whose widow married > > William Briscoe had associates in common. I myself have not > > been able to arrive at a convincing hypothesis as to who > > James Pace might have been, what might have been his > > relationship (if any) to Richard Pace (relict m. Briscoe), > > or what, if any, might have been the relationship of any of > > them to Richard Pace m. Mary. > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message

Does that mean some time in the last 300-400 years that 13710 shared a common ancestor with the rest of 3b? Thomas PACE first appeared on an Maury Co, TN undated marriage bond to Catherine DONAHOO, Henry WEBSTER, Bondsman. No marriage record has been found, but marriage probably occurred between 1810 - 1816 *1820 Maury Co, TN; "PASE, Thomas - M (7 people) (after WEBSTER hh - a WEBSTER was his bondsman) *1830 Williamson Co, TN: Thomas PACE (8 people) - (aft Wm DODSON & his son m. a DOTSON) *1840 Williamson Co, TN: Thomas PACE: (9 people) - (then Caroline JOHNSON & his dau m. two JOHNSONS) *1850 Williamson Co, TN: "PACE, Thomas 57 farmer SC?..." (4 people) *1860 Williamson Co, TN: "Thomas 65 $500 pp NC can't read/write"...(9 people) On 28 Sep 1838, Thomas bought 100 acres of "a certain tract or parcel of land lying in Williamson County on the waters of Murphy's fork and Teipers Fork ... bordered by Kincheon SPARKMAN" from John or Isham ARENDELL (ARUNDEL) for $75 - recorded in 1856. Census suggests 9 children, but we only know of Thomas Jr (m.1845 to Nancy LOGSDON); Ann (m 1842 to Wm S HUFF); Rachel (m 1835 Meredy JOHNSON & 1844 James JOHNSON); Amanda (unknown); and Joachim L. "Joac" (m. 1st 1843 Jane DOTSON; (maybe 2nd) bef 1850 to Emily J, & m...... 2nd or 3rd 1870 to Nancy E MCKAINEY). About 1865, Catherine died, and Thomas, a shoemaker by trade, was living his property shared with his dau Ann HUFF (HOUGH) & her family. In 1867, much to the consternation of his children, lonely Thomas married widow Viney BROWN with 2 grown sons. As a reward for them caring for his needs, he deeded them 88 low-quality acres. His kids were furious! They went to court claiming their age-demented father was tricked by the BROWNS. Witnesses said his land was worn out, his cobbler skills were minimal, & he had never been too bright anyway. In the midst of this demeaning battle, Thomas died, & his kids won. In May 1868 the BROWN marriage was declared null & Ann got to keep the home place. Son Joachim (what a strange name!) bought land in Humphreys Co, TN from PHEBUS in Jan 1868. Before 1874 he bought more land from W.D. SMITH. By Jan 1884, he had died & S.G. JONES was appointed administrator. Family tradition & census records show "Joac" was father of at least 15 children by at least 2 wives... *but DNA proves we assumed too much! Joseph B PACE, b 1850-1850 is my husband's ancestor and his DNA (#12269) is *not* PACE DNA. His 1/2 cousin, descendant of Walter,(#13710) has the 37/35 DNA report, & is a 3b PACE Although my husband Jerry is not a biological PACE, he is a nurtured PACE. I'm very excited to open this door closed by DNA 5 years ago, and again opened by DNA.. Now I need a family for Thomas. Help needed! Jackie Ashley PACE The Woodlands, TX http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ashley42 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ashley http://www.familytreedna.com/public/RICHEY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: [PACE] 37 marker results 13710 group 3b > 37 marker results are in for kit 13710 showing 35/37 match with group 3b. > Kit 13710 cites ancestry to Thomas Pace 1990 NC. > > The two mutations do not match with the mutations of any other Paces in > that > group. This is not necessarily significant. > > Roy Johnson

Here's a description of the land William Corker bought from Thomas Rolfe, from "Virginia: A Guide to the Old Dominion" (WPA): "...one hundred & fivety Acres of land in Surry County lyeing between Smith's fort old feild & the Divill's Woodyard Swampe...being due unto the said Rolfe by Guift from the Indyan King." But it looks like what William Corker bought was only a portion of the King's Guift, because Boddie also says (SVG p153): "This [1639 deed from John Kempe to Henry Hart] shows that Henry Hart was a neighbor of the Warrens and Shephards who lived in this locality and with whom his family intermarried. It was also adjacent to the land of Thomas, son of John Rolfe, which was later purchased by Thomas Warren. (C.P.121). "Henry Hart was deceased before July 3, 1648, for "Thomas Hart(2), son of Henry Hart, deceased, was granted 100 acres at Smith's Fort (C.P.176). Thomas Hart married Anne Sheppard, daughter of Major Robert Sheppard (1604-1654).... Major Robert Sheppard married Elizabeth, daughter of William Spencer, Burgess of Mulberry Island 1624-32-33.... Mrs. Elizabeth Shepard, widow of Major Robert Shepard married, secondly, Thomas Warren, builder of the famous "Warren House". (Id. 66-72. V.H.G. 244-46). "... Mrs Hart married secondly, William Newson between June 10, 1669 and Jan.4,1669/70, when as the wife of William Newson, she deeded land to their sister Alice Rawlings." (Alice Rawlings was the wife of Roger Rawlings.) According to a description of "Warren House" at http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/jamesriver/war.htm, "The house was long thought to have been the 17th-century home of either John Rolfe or Thomas Warren. However, a dendrochronological study, which included an analysis of tree ring sizes in the timbers of the house, indicated the house was built c. 1763, and most likely first occupied by Jacob Faulcon." James --- On Mon, 2/2/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > That's right, it's the same William Corker (see > Boddie "Southside Virginia Families" p169). He > bought the land from Thomas Rolfe (son of Pocahontas) in > 1657. > > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, [email protected] > > > > I think we've discuss this before. There is a > William > > Corker who lived just below Richard & > Isabella's > > Paces Paines, and it was George Pace's 1650 patent > that > > lists Richard Rawlins. > > > > Val

That's right, it's the same William Corker (see Boddie "Southside Virginia Families" p169). He bought the land from Thomas Rolfe (son of Pocahontas) in 1657. I haven't found anything more about Richard Rawlings. In case others are interested, there was a Richard Rawlings, who could be the same one that George Pace claimed headright for, who married Susannah Daux, daughter of Walter Daux, who may be the same Walter Daux claimed as a headright by William Perry in 1633 and again in 1637. I haven't found out whether Richard Rawlings was related to Roger Rawlings. James --- On Mon, 2/2/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] James Pace and Richard Pace, York Co. > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 11:29 AM > James: > > I think we've discuss this before. There is a William > Corker who lived just below Richard & Isabella's > Paces Paines, and it was George Pace's 1650 patent that > lists Richard Rawlins. > > Val > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: James Blair <[email protected]> > > James Pace of York Co. died by 25 May 1673. Where did > he come from, who did he > > associate with, and was he related to the Paces of > Charles City Co.? > > > > He was apparently adult by 1659 when he bought a gun > at the estate sale of John > > Marsh. So he must have been born by or before 1638, > which means he was not a > > younger brother of Richard Pace (m. Mary). > > > > To be descended from Richard and Isabella, he would > have to be a younger brother > > of George (m. Sarah Maycock). Or he might have been a > later immigrant, > > unrelated to Richard and Isabella. > > > > Another interesting question: was James Pace of York > Co. related to the Richard > > Pace who was claimed as headright by William Corker? > > > > Some additional information: > > > > As previously mentioned in this thread, in 1673 > "William Major on behalf of Mr. > > James Pace, entered a claim against the estate of > Clement Marsh for _16 10sh > > sterling." > > > > Also as previously mentioned, Clement Marsh married > the relict of Maj. Joseph > > Croshaw. Joseph Croshaw's brother, Richard > Croshaw, died by May 1669 (will > > proved, York Co); his widow married William Corker. > > > > That suggests (to me) that there might well have been > a relationship between > > James Pace (d. 1673) and the Richard Pace whom Corker > claimed as headright. But > > clearly it remains only a possibility. > > > > There is also the question of whether the Richard Pace > who was claimed as > > headright by William Corker was the same person as the > Richard Pace whose widow > > married William Briscoe. > > > > Several records in York Co, previously cited, show > William Briscoe collecting or > > paying debts connected with Richard Pace's > ordinary. Briscoe's attorney, in > > some of these court cases, is Roger Rawlings. For > instance: > > > > "6 Sept 1681, Surry Co. Court Orders Book 3, page > 348 > > Roger Rawlins attorney of Wm Briskoe who married the > relict of Rich. Pace dec'd. > > Agst Mr. Fran. Taylor for expenses in the said > Pace's ordinary." > > > > Roger Rawlings' brother-in-law was William > Newsome. (Rawlings married Newsome's > > sister Alice.) > > > > William Newsome's stepfather was George Watkins, > who married the widow of > > William Newsome's father, also called William > Newsome. George Watkins' will > > mentions "Elizabeth Spencer, my God-daughter, > daughter of my well > > > beloved friend, Captain Robert Spencer..." > Robert Spencer married Elizabeth > > White, daughter of William Corker's second wife. > (See Boddie, "Southside > > Virginia Families", p169; and "The Newsom > Family: And Related Families of Surry, > > Isle of Wight, Southampton and Sussex Counties, > Va.", B. C. Holtzclaw, Virginia > > Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 47, No. 4 > (Oct., 1939), pp. 363-374) > > > > This shows that William Corker, who claimed headright > for Richard Pace, was part > > of the same web of relationships as Roger Rawlings who > acted as attorney for > > William Briscoe who married the widow of Richard Pace. > It's not proof, but it > > does seem to me that probably the Richard Pace who was > claimed as headright was > > the same Richard Pace who ran the ordinary. > > > > Another question: if the Richard Pace who ran the > ordinary was the one who was > > claimed by Corker as headright, what about Richard > Pace who on 17 March 1673 > > served on a jury which escheated the land of Cornelius > Johnathan? > > > > The land was re-patented 26 March 1674 by Daniel Wyld. > Daniel Wyld's > > brother-in-law Philip Chesley patented land jointly > with Nicholas Meriwether, > > who was mentioned (together with Joseph Croshaw) in > the nuncupative will of > > William Corker. > > > > In the York court of Oct 1665, Daniel Wyld proved the > will of Thomas Bromfield, > > whose widow Mary remarried to Joseph Croshaw and, > after Croshaw's death, to > > Clement Marsh whose estate was in dispute with the > estate of James Pace in 1673. > > > > I think these associations support (though they do not > prove) the hypothesis > > that the Richard Pace who sat on the escheating jury > was the same Richard Pace > > who was claimed by Corker as headright, ran the > ordinary, and may have been > > related to James Pace who by 1673 had died in York Co. > > > > One more question: what about the Richard Pace who > appears with Francis Sowersby > > on tithable lists in Surry Co for 1668, 1669, 1670? > > > > Francis Sowersby married Mary Jordan, daughter of > Thomas Jordan and Jane Browne > > (widow of Robert Spencer whose first wife was William > Corker's stepdaughter > > Elizabeth White. > > > > Thomas Jordan (Francis Sowersby's father-in-law) > married as his second wife Lucy > > Corker, daughter of William Corker. > > > > I think this supports the hypothesis that the Richard > Pace who appeared with > > Francis Sowersby on the tithable lists was the same > Richard Pace who was claimed > > by William Corker as headright. (Speculation: This > also fits well with the > > timing of the escheating jury record: if Richard Pace > was a relation of James > > Pace, who died by 1673, he might have moved to James > Pace's land and thus become > > available for jury duty. Pure speculation.) > > > > All in all, considering the various associations and > interactions, my own > > opinion is that James and Richard Pace of York > probably WERE related to one > > another. Whether either or both was related to any > other Paces in Virginia is > > anybody's guess, but I will mention again the > record of 7 Nov 1656: "Thomas Pace > > of Bath, Som gent, bound to John White, merchant, > > to serve 4 years in Virginia." (Coldham, > "The Complete Book of Emigrants > > 1607-1660" pg 331). John White, whose widow > married William Corker, was a > > merchant in James City Co. It could be the same John > White. > > > > James > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, James Blair > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: James Blair <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [PACE] James Pace d. York Co 1673 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:19 AM > > > In 1659, a James Pace attended the estate sale of > John Marsh > > > in York Co. VA; he bought a gun. Also present at > the sale: > > > Capt. Langley, Jeremiah Rawlings. [In 1683, > Nicholas Ware > > > patented 300 acres in New Kent County adj > "land of > > > Jeremiah Rawlins, decd". > > > Nicholas Ware was a merchant and was related by > marriage to > > > the Vassall family. He is a forebear of the > James Ware who > > > is said to have married "Agnes Pace".] > > > > > > Fourteen years later, in 1673, also in York Co., > > > "Mr" James Pace has died, and there is > a dispute > > > concerning his estate, and the estate of a > Clement Marsh: > > > > > > 24 MAR 1673 William Major on behalf of Mr. James > Pace, > > > entered a claim against the estate of Clement > Marsh for _16 > > > 10sh sterling. > > > > > > 25 MAY 1673 James Pace , deceased. General Court > ordered > > > that no judgements should pass against his > estate, so ref > > > granted in diff betw his estate and estate of > Clement Marsh > > > -- perhaps, or perhaps not, a relative of the > John Marsh at > > > whose estate sale James Pace bought a gun. Also > of > > > interest: a William MAJOR is acting on behalf of > Mr. James > > > Pace. > > > > > > So who was Clement Marsh? I don't know, but > he > > > evidently had a dispute, in 1672, with Robert > Spring: > > > > > > 11 JAN 1671/2 Know all men that I Clement Marsh > stand > > > indebted to Mr. Robert Spring, _130, upon demand > of his > > > executors, administrators, or assigns. > > > > > > 27 FEB 1671/2 Clement Marsh confessed judgement > to Mr. > > > Robert Spring for _130 sterling. > > > > > > [24 OCT 1683 Judgement granted Mr. William > Briscoe (who > > > married the relict of a Richard Pace) agn Mrs. > Ann Spring > > > exr of Mr. Robert Spring.] > > > > > > But Clement Marsh's main claim to fame is > that he > > > married the widow of Joseph Croshaw, son of > Raleigh Croshaw > > > who arrived in 1608 on the Second Supply. > "27 FEB > > > 1671/2 Clement Marsh to marry Mary Croshaw, > agrees Mary has > > > full power and authorization after marriage to > her real and > > > personal property and to give to her children or > > > otherwise." Attagirl. > > > > > > Joseph Croshaw had five wives; the last, who > outlived him, > > > was Mary PERHAPS Ballard. Mary PERHAPS Ballard > marred (1) > > > Thomas Broomfield (2) Joseph Croshaw and (3) > Clement Marsh. > > > Mary PERHAPS Ballard was PERHAPS sister of Thomas > Ballard, > > > later to be sheriff of York Co. The Ballards and > the > > > Langleys (Capt. Langley, who was present at the > estate sale > > > of John Marsh} and the Majors were all > intermarried; it > > > would be very interesting to know if the Judith > Major who > > > married Henry Walker in Granville Co NC was > related to these > > > Majors. > > > > > > Joseph Croshaw's daughter Unity married (in > 1654) John > > > West, son of the Governor. Their son Nathaniel > West married > > > the widow of Gideon Macon. [24 OCT 1679 > Judgement granted > > > unto Wm Briscoe adm of estate of Richard Pace > decd agn Jno > > > Vaden adm of estate of Nick Toop decd for payment > of 48sh > > > sterling with costs. John Vaden enters Gideon > Macon his > > > attorney.] > > > > > > These records seem to show that the James Pace > who died in > > > York Co in 1673, and the Richard Pace whose widow > married > > > William Briscoe had associates in common. I > myself have not > > > been able to arrive at a convincing hypothesis as > to who > > > James Pace might have been, what might have been > his > > > relationship (if any) to Richard Pace (relict m. > Briscoe), > > > or what, if any, might have been the relationship > of any of > > > them to Richard Pace m. Mary. > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of > > the message

As I understand it, the 1805 Georgia Land Lottery, which was the first of the lotteries, distributed Creek land around the Oconee River which had been taken from the Creeks by the Treaty of 1802. The area can be seen on a map at the TNGENWEB website (http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ilcmap15.jpg), and the treaty describing the boundaries is at http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/18020616.html on the same web site. Shoal Creek, where several of the Rutherford Co Paces already owned land, is to the east of the 1802 ceded area. A website at http://www.1805georgialandlottery.com lists those entitled to enter the draw. Pace names are: Barnabas Pace (1) Dred Pace (1) Isaac Pace (1) James Pace (2) John Pace (1) Leroy Pace (1) Mildred Pace (1) Nathaniel Pace (1) Thomas Pace (1) Trion Pace (1) William Pace (1) William Pace Junr. (1) Willson Pace (1) Hard to be sure exactly who is who. Willson and Isaac Pace, as I understand it, appear later in Rutherford Co TN, so perhaps William Pace and William Pace Junr are also the same as the ones who appear in Rutherford Co TN. Barnabas could be Barnabas d. 1827, the son of Richard Pace and Elizabeth, or it could be his nephew Barnabas, writer of the letter, son of Drury Pace and Mary Bussey. Drury Pace (m. Mary Bussey) was dead by then, so this Drury in the lottery may be his son. I don't know which Dredzil is the one in the lottery. Barnabas and Trion Pace got lucky. (http://www.1805georgialandlottery.com/fdn_z.shtml) Hails in the lottery: Christopher Hail (1) Edward Hail (1) James Hail Junr. (1) James Hail Senr. (1) Jesse Hail (1) Obediah Hail (1) Thomas Hail (1) John Hailes (1) Isaiah Hails (1) John Hails (1) Interestingly, the will of a Christopher Hales was proved in Oglethorpe Co. (Oct 1814, Oglethorpe Will Book B, p103) apparently named his wife, BETSY, and mentioned children in the plural but named only one of them (James). He might have had a daughter Betsy as well as a wife. (Jeremiah Pace m Betsy Hails 7/16/1807, Oglethorpe Co, as posted at http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.pace/1514/mb.ashx by Gordon W. Pace on 27 Mar 2004) Also in the lottery: Ambrose Killingsworth. According to a posting to the ROOTS-L list at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ROOTS/1997-07/50285, Ambrose Killingsworth "was the son of Henry Killingsworth. He had a brother, Henry b.1772, twin sisters, Agatha and Mary b.1776. What happened to these children? Their father, Henry, was dead by 1782 and the girls were bound to Robert Gulley. The two boys were bound to Freeman Killingsworth." The will of John Hayles of Johnston Co. NC was witnessed by Freeman Killingsworth Sr. The will of Elisha Thomas (stepson of William Pace) was witnessed by John Gully and George Gully. The occurrence of these names seems to me to increase the likelihood that the John Hailes who bought land on Shoal Creek from James Pace was the son of the John Hailes of Johnston Co who married Cynthia Thomas, stepdaughter-in-law of William Pace. John Hailes did not win in the lottery. Obediah and Isham Hails were winners. I could not find Isham on the entrants list. James

James Pace of York Co. died by 25 May 1673. Where did he come from, who did he associate with, and was he related to the Paces of Charles City Co.? He was apparently adult by 1659 when he bought a gun at the estate sale of John Marsh. So he must have been born by or before 1638, which means he was not a younger brother of Richard Pace (m. Mary). To be descended from Richard and Isabella, he would have to be a younger brother of George (m. Sarah Maycock). Or he might have been a later immigrant, unrelated to Richard and Isabella. Another interesting question: was James Pace of York Co. related to the Richard Pace who was claimed as headright by William Corker? Some additional information: As previously mentioned in this thread, in 1673 "William Major on behalf of Mr. James Pace, entered a claim against the estate of Clement Marsh for _16 10sh sterling." Also as previously mentioned, Clement Marsh married the relict of Maj. Joseph Croshaw. Joseph Croshaw's brother, Richard Croshaw, died by May 1669 (will proved, York Co); his widow married William Corker. That suggests (to me) that there might well have been a relationship between James Pace (d. 1673) and the Richard Pace whom Corker claimed as headright. But clearly it remains only a possibility. There is also the question of whether the Richard Pace who was claimed as headright by William Corker was the same person as the Richard Pace whose widow married William Briscoe. Several records in York Co, previously cited, show William Briscoe collecting or paying debts connected with Richard Pace's ordinary. Briscoe's attorney, in some of these court cases, is Roger Rawlings. For instance: "6 Sept 1681, Surry Co. Court Orders Book 3, page 348 Roger Rawlins attorney of Wm Briskoe who married the relict of Rich. Pace dec'd. Agst Mr. Fran. Taylor for expenses in the said Pace's ordinary." Roger Rawlings' brother-in-law was William Newsome. (Rawlings married Newsome's sister Alice.) William Newsome's stepfather was George Watkins, who married the widow of William Newsome's father, also called William Newsome. George Watkins' will mentions "Elizabeth Spencer, my God-daughter, daughter of my well > beloved friend, Captain Robert Spencer..." Robert Spencer married Elizabeth White, daughter of William Corker's second wife. (See Boddie, "Southside Virginia Families", p169; and "The Newsom Family: And Related Families of Surry, Isle of Wight, Southampton and Sussex Counties, Va.", B. C. Holtzclaw, Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 47, No. 4 (Oct., 1939), pp. 363-374) This shows that William Corker, who claimed headright for Richard Pace, was part of the same web of relationships as Roger Rawlings who acted as attorney for William Briscoe who married the widow of Richard Pace. It's not proof, but it does seem to me that probably the Richard Pace who was claimed as headright was the same Richard Pace who ran the ordinary. Another question: if the Richard Pace who ran the ordinary was the one who was claimed by Corker as headright, what about Richard Pace who on 17 March 1673 served on a jury which escheated the land of Cornelius Johnathan? The land was re-patented 26 March 1674 by Daniel Wyld. Daniel Wyld's brother-in-law Philip Chesley patented land jointly with Nicholas Meriwether, who was mentioned (together with Joseph Croshaw) in the nuncupative will of William Corker. In the York court of Oct 1665, Daniel Wyld proved the will of Thomas Bromfield, whose widow Mary remarried to Joseph Croshaw and, after Croshaw's death, to Clement Marsh whose estate was in dispute with the estate of James Pace in 1673. I think these associations support (though they do not prove) the hypothesis that the Richard Pace who sat on the escheating jury was the same Richard Pace who was claimed by Corker as headright, ran the ordinary, and may have been related to James Pace who by 1673 had died in York Co. One more question: what about the Richard Pace who appears with Francis Sowersby on tithable lists in Surry Co for 1668, 1669, 1670? Francis Sowersby married Mary Jordan, daughter of Thomas Jordan and Jane Browne (widow of Robert Spencer whose first wife was William Corker's stepdaughter Elizabeth White. Thomas Jordan (Francis Sowersby's father-in-law) married as his second wife Lucy Corker, daughter of William Corker. I think this supports the hypothesis that the Richard Pace who appeared with Francis Sowersby on the tithable lists was the same Richard Pace who was claimed by William Corker as headright. (Speculation: This also fits well with the timing of the escheating jury record: if Richard Pace was a relation of James Pace, who died by 1673, he might have moved to James Pace's land and thus become available for jury duty. Pure speculation.) All in all, considering the various associations and interactions, my own opinion is that James and Richard Pace of York probably WERE related to one another. Whether either or both was related to any other Paces in Virginia is anybody's guess, but I will mention again the record of 7 Nov 1656: "Thomas Pace of Bath, Som gent, bound to John White, merchant, to serve 4 years in Virginia." (Coldham, "The Complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1660" pg 331). John White, whose widow married William Corker, was a merchant in James City Co. It could be the same John White. James --- On Wed, 1/14/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > From: James Blair <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACE] James Pace d. York Co 1673 > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:19 AM > In 1659, a James Pace attended the estate sale of John Marsh > in York Co. VA; he bought a gun. Also present at the sale: > Capt. Langley, Jeremiah Rawlings. [In 1683, Nicholas Ware > patented 300 acres in New Kent County adj "land of > Jeremiah Rawlins, decd". > Nicholas Ware was a merchant and was related by marriage to > the Vassall family. He is a forebear of the James Ware who > is said to have married "Agnes Pace".] > > Fourteen years later, in 1673, also in York Co., > "Mr" James Pace has died, and there is a dispute > concerning his estate, and the estate of a Clement Marsh: > > 24 MAR 1673 William Major on behalf of Mr. James Pace, > entered a claim against the estate of Clement Marsh for _16 > 10sh sterling. > > 25 MAY 1673 James Pace , deceased. General Court ordered > that no judgements should pass against his estate, so ref > granted in diff betw his estate and estate of Clement Marsh > -- perhaps, or perhaps not, a relative of the John Marsh at > whose estate sale James Pace bought a gun. Also of > interest: a William MAJOR is acting on behalf of Mr. James > Pace. > > So who was Clement Marsh? I don't know, but he > evidently had a dispute, in 1672, with Robert Spring: > > 11 JAN 1671/2 Know all men that I Clement Marsh stand > indebted to Mr. Robert Spring, _130, upon demand of his > executors, administrators, or assigns. > > 27 FEB 1671/2 Clement Marsh confessed judgement to Mr. > Robert Spring for _130 sterling. > > [24 OCT 1683 Judgement granted Mr. William Briscoe (who > married the relict of a Richard Pace) agn Mrs. Ann Spring > exr of Mr. Robert Spring.] > > But Clement Marsh's main claim to fame is that he > married the widow of Joseph Croshaw, son of Raleigh Croshaw > who arrived in 1608 on the Second Supply. "27 FEB > 1671/2 Clement Marsh to marry Mary Croshaw, agrees Mary has > full power and authorization after marriage to her real and > personal property and to give to her children or > otherwise." Attagirl. > > Joseph Croshaw had five wives; the last, who outlived him, > was Mary PERHAPS Ballard. Mary PERHAPS Ballard marred (1) > Thomas Broomfield (2) Joseph Croshaw and (3) Clement Marsh. > Mary PERHAPS Ballard was PERHAPS sister of Thomas Ballard, > later to be sheriff of York Co. The Ballards and the > Langleys (Capt. Langley, who was present at the estate sale > of John Marsh} and the Majors were all intermarried; it > would be very interesting to know if the Judith Major who > married Henry Walker in Granville Co NC was related to these > Majors. > > Joseph Croshaw's daughter Unity married (in 1654) John > West, son of the Governor. Their son Nathaniel West married > the widow of Gideon Macon. [24 OCT 1679 Judgement granted > unto Wm Briscoe adm of estate of Richard Pace decd agn Jno > Vaden adm of estate of Nick Toop decd for payment of 48sh > sterling with costs. John Vaden enters Gideon Macon his > attorney.] > > These records seem to show that the James Pace who died in > York Co in 1673, and the Richard Pace whose widow married > William Briscoe had associates in common. I myself have not > been able to arrive at a convincing hypothesis as to who > James Pace might have been, what might have been his > relationship (if any) to Richard Pace (relict m. Briscoe), > or what, if any, might have been the relationship of any of > them to Richard Pace m. Mary. > > James > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Date mentioned April 7, 1893- possible date of a note under the name of Pace,Talbott & Co. T.J. Talbott made a note payable to William F. Cheek or order 120 days after the date T.J.Talbott -Principal John R.Pace and James B. Pace-Co-insurers Later on mention of Supreme Court of Appeals of Virginia-april 7, 1898 also -John R. Pace prior to his death on October 9, 1893 leaving an estate not sufficient to pay more than 50 cents on the dollar of his debt. Also found mention of a Mary Pace Talbott Who are John R.Pace and James B. Pace of this article? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

37 marker results are in for kit 13710 showing 35/37 match with group 3b. Kit 13710 cites ancestry to Thomas Pace 1990 NC. The two mutations do not match with the mutations of any other Paces in that group. This is not necessarily significant. Roy Johnson

Posted on the message boards in 2004 [email protected] I have Henry Harrison Pace b. July 26, 1839,probably in Fluvanna county, d. Dec. 27, 1912 in Goochland co.Va in the 1840 census Joseph Pace was listed and Henry would have been the right age( under 5 yrs.) in the 1850 Albemarle census, Joseph is listed, along with Henry who is 11 years old in the 1860 Albemarle census Joseph is listed with Henry who is twenty years old 1870 Census Byrd, Goochland,Virginia Henry H. Pace b. abt. 1840 Mary T. Pace b. abt. 1847( would this be Mary Taylor Jenkins?) Richard H. Pace b. abt. 1868 Eldridge T. Pace b. abt. 1869(Eldridge Tucker Pace/) Ella Trainham b. abt. 1852( who is she) Someone else has posted a message re:Charlotte Pace and Evan Ludbrook Lee she says David Rampy Allford is descended from Evan Ludbrook Lee and Charlotte Pace His mother was an Eldridge- but not sure if connection is Allford or Eldridge Family sheets in the file of Lois Carey Joseph Pace b. 1804 in Va Children: Robert A.Pace(Capt.) b. 1835 in Albemarle Va , spouse, Lavinia C. Virginia Pace b. 1833 Richard Pace b. 1837 Henry Pace b. 1839 Sarah Pace b. 1843 >From Albermarle County Births 1890-96 Page 675 Henry Pace b. May 2, 1894- Father- Robert, Mother- Mary ( a connection?) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch!

New results are in for this kit, showing a perfect match for the modal for the John of Middlesex group. This is not surprising due to the Goochland origins of the submitted lineage. Can anyone help track this lineage back to John? 0. donor 1. Father 2. Harvey Mason Pace, Sr. b. 11 Nov. 1892 d. 22 Feb. 1974 Richmond, VA ( Henrico Co.) + Lydia Blanch Melton 3. Eldridge Tucker Pace b.13 Oct. 1869 d. 28 Jan. 1970 Richmond, VA ( Henrico Co.) + Martha Elizabeth McCall 4. Henry Harrison Pace b. 26 July 1839 d. 27 Dec 1912 Goochland, VA + Mary Taylor Jenkins 5. Joseph Pace b. about 1804 + Mary Graves Thanks Roy Johnson