This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JSterling8097 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.carbon/725.728.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The best info on Philip Ginder comes from the short biography of his grandson, Philip (1820-1912). There it states Philip Ginder came to America from Holland about 1745. That age would be backed up by the 1800 census (Penn Twp., Northampton Co.)showing him as age 45 or older. Following the 1800 census Penn Twp. was divided into east and west, with West Penn becoming part of Schuylkill Co. Since the Ginders do not appear in the East Penn censuses, I assume they lived in West Penn. It would be wonderful if we could link you Philip Grinder to Philip Ginder, but it doesn't seem to match up. And Philip was in search of a grind stone for his grist mill when he discovered the coal outcropping. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.