I would just like to mention that the book Walton, William. The captivity and sufferings of Benjamin Gilbert and his family, 1780-83, provides a good blueprint for information on Pennsylvania people kidnapped in this time period by the joint forces of the Seneca, Lenape, and British. My Price relations were kidnapped during the same period from the Blue Mountains near Stroudsburg and what little I have been finding indicates they had the same experiences and travelled the same trails as the Gilbert family. Honor >>> geri brennan <[email protected]> 02/23/04 08:42AM >>> I think you hit the right person. I happen to know a little about the Gilberts. Mahoning Township-Carbon County, PA The family of Benjamin Gilbert came to the valley of Mahoning in 1775, and settled on the Mahoning Creek. His step-son, Benjamin Peart, located about a half mile away. Benjamin Gilbert was of native of Beyberry, 15 miles from Phila., where he was born in 1711. He was educted by the Quakers and resided near his birthplace tilll he moved to the Mahoning valley in 1775. He married a lady in his youth by home he had 7 children. They arrivived at years of maturity, and several of them settled there. About the year of 1748 he publised a treatise against the war in answer to Gilbert Tennent. In 1769 and 1770 he publised two large works on religious subject. After his death the contracted a second marriage to Elizabeth, widow of Benjamin Peart, who also had several children, It was some years after this second marriage that it was decided to move north of the Blue Ridege. His sons and daughters, connections and his friends were not strangers to the dangers to which they would be exposed and earnestly besought them to remain in their midst. The journey was made. The party consised of Benjamin Gilbert, his wife, Elizabeth, his sons, Joseph, Jesse. and Abner; Rebecca and Elizabeth, daughters; Benjamin and Thomas Peart, sons of Mrs. Gilbert. After reaching the place selected a comfortable log house and barn where erected.. Later a saw-mill and a grist-mill were erected on the creek, which drew custom from large extent of country and rended the position of the family comfortable. After 5 years the quiet of the family was surprised on the morning of the 25th of April, 1780, by a party of 11 Indians and taken captive. The house was plundered and all the building burned. The Indian the visited the house of Benjamin Peart, who a year or two previous had marred and settled a half mile away, and captured him, and his wife and his child. Abigail, a daughter of Samuel Dodson, a neighbor, had brought from home to the mill early in the morning a grist, and she was still there and captured with the rest. (An account of their captivity and wandering will be found in the chapter of Indian History. An account was verbally given by them on their return, in 1783, and was writter by William Walton, published by Joseph Cruikshank in 1784) Christ Church-Phila. PA Pert, Bryan, son of Benjamin and Rachael, 2y 2m bp Dec 7 1728 Pert, Jane, d.o William and Mary, 3w born May 9 1729 Peart Rachael, born Dec 24, 1738, wife of Benjamin 46y Gilbert, John, s/o John and Elizabeth 5m 10d, born Dec 15, 1738 Marriages Gilbert Benjamin to Elizabeth Pert March 14, 1760 Northampton Estate of Benjamin Gilbert, Penn township, 5 tracts-request for partition; the widow asked the court if it "would be pleaed to appoint Michael Ohl, Philip Moser, Borick Moser, Francis Bailer, Daniel Warner, Nathan Warner, John Snider, Josiah Thomas, gentleman or some other four or more of them to make the partiton. Widow, Elizabeth, now of Phila. County, children, Joseph, eldest son, Bejamin, John, Joshua, Caleb, Jesse, Rachael, the wife of William Walton, Abigail, wife of Benjamin Walton, Abrner, minor child, Rebecca, minor child, Elizabeth, minor child, guardian for 3 minor children, already appointed-Jacob Comly- Dec 16, 1783 Chester Co Peart, Bryan, a whitesmith, from Harskip, in Yorkshire, England, died in 1706 at Duck Creek, DE, leaving a widow, Jame, and serveral children. Their son, Benjamin married Rachael, d.o Richard and Elizabeth (Rush) Collet, and among other childre children had a son, Bryan,married Nov 30, 1752 to Elizabeth Walton of Byberry, by whom there were Bejamin, born 2//1753, Rebecca. born 12/28/1754 and Thomas, born 9/28/1756. After the death of Bryan Peart in 1757, in 1757 the widow married (license Aug 18, 1760) Benjamin Gilbert, the Indian captive,and in 1775 removed with him to Mahoning Valley, Northampton Co., PA. On Aprl 25, 1780 Benjamin Gilbert and family, including the wife's sons, Benjamin and Thomas Peart, were taken by the Indians, their dwellings burned, and they were forced by weary marches to accompany their captors to the northwest part of New York. Benjamin Peart was then married to Elizabeth Jones, and their child, Elizabeth, aged 9 months, was one of the captives. Benjamin Peart, after their return in 1782, resided several years before moving to Ohio. Thomas Peart was adopted in an Indian family on the Genesse River, in the place of a deceased member, but at length obtained his release through the interference of Col. Johnson, a British officer at Niagara. After his return he married Mary Robert, d/o Lewis Roberts of Abington, and about 1790 moved to a farm in Fallowfield, Chester Co., PA. Westmoreland Co. The family was planted in the county by John Gilbert, of Cornwall, England, who in or near 1682 came to PA as one of William Penn's colonists and settled in Bucks Co. PA. In 1775 Benjamin Gilbert, a grandson of John Gilbert, the emigrant ancester purchased land near the Mauch Chunk coal mines. In 1780 he and his family, as well as some neighbors, some 15 in all, were captured by a party of 11 Indians. The Indians then packed such good and provisions as they desired on Mr. Gilbert's horses,after which they fired the buildings. Then they followed a wearisome march over a wild, rough country, to the vicinity of Niagara Falls. Atfer a time they were all liberated, but owning to age and ever-fatigue Benjamin Gilbert died on the way home and was buried on the band of the St. Lawrence River. One of his sons, Benjamin, who had escaped capture, was instrumental in assissting the family home, and not long after purchased land in Westmoreland Co. Having no children he induced his half-brother, Abrner Gilbert, one of the above mentioned captives, to join him and assist him in buisness. This was in 1797. Abrner Gilbert died at age 65. Benjamin Gilbert, son of Abner, was born 1800, in Westmoreland county. He married Lydia Cope, and their children were; Sarah A.,Samuel C., Mary wife of Dillion Gibbons, Eliza G., married Joshua Cope, Susan married Jesse Edgerton of Belmont County, Ohio, Now could this be the John you are talking about. Gilbert, John, not the Rev. but in Northwest Indian War., Old War#10184, applied in Westmoreland Co., PA. Soldier had been placed on pension roll of PA on 14 April 14, 1814 I'll check to others. Best Wishes, Geri ______________________________