Pennsylvania Church Records - Adams, Berks, and Lancaster Counties, 1729-1881 Name: Conrad Luther Date: 10 Dec 1789 Event: Marriage Relation: Groom LOCATION: Lancaster CO., PA Remark: Elizabeth Barth, of Hempfield. Church: First Reformed Congregation at Lancaster, PA Record_ID: 308799 -------Original Message------- From: marilyn Date: 5/5/2013 4:57:12 PM To: joyecho@aol.com; pacambri@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Luther Questions Can anyone help with these answers? Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: joyecho <joyecho@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 3:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Luther Questions -----Original Message----- From: joyecho <joyecho@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:44 pm Subject: Fwd: Luther Questions Hi, Marilyn! I've been puzzling over some Luther genealogy questions for quite some time and thought that I'd get your two cents. I am not an authority on the Luther family. I did do some research for some of the Luther's from Susquehanna Township near the now defunct coal mining area of Cymbria, who married into the Weaklands. I believe that Charles Weakland who lived to his late 90's, was baptized by Fr. Gallitzin in this Luther household--pre St Joseph's at Hart's Sleeping Place. I will post these comments so you can get more information. 1. The Carrolltown Death Records show John Luther (1800-1862) as the son of George Luther and Elizabeth Little. His baptismal record in Ledoux shows him as the son of Conrad and Elizabeth as I have always believed. Any idea why there is a discrepancy? Who are George and Elizabeth? I am not sure who George and Elizabeth are or who Conrad's wife was--I think the two stories of the Hessian soldier meeting the girl who saved him are mixed up. I am sure I have read the girl who saved the soldier was named "Smith." The American Revolution was from app 1776 to 1801 [depending on how it is calculated] and the War of 1812 was basically a continuation the same world that began after the French Revolution and Napoleon which extended from 1789 to 1815, when the Treaty of Vienna settled things. These wars effectively stopped emigration because the English Navy controlled the oceans. Also, many of the "Hessians" came from other German States [notably Brunswick], but the mercenaries became known generically as "Hessians." Each soldier "cost" so much to England, and there were fees and fines from the British for each dead, wounded, prisoner, and/or deserter soldier. This is why they tried to find the deserters. 2. Did you ever see anything that suggested that Conrad Luther was born in Russia instead of Thuringia? The Federal Mortality Schedule for 1880 for our Chrysostom (Christian) Luther reports that his father was born in Rushia Several things here. After the Third Partition of Poland, there were three separate parts of Poland--Russian Poland [East and Lithuania], Prussian or German Poland [to the West] and Galacia to the [South Central part of the Austrian Hungarian Empire.] You will see this in the emigration files and it is the reason the Census started asking which language the emigrants spoke in an attempt to establish the geographical location. Second, I have seen the handwriting of the letter "P" and "R" looking alike--Prussia may be taken for Russia and vice versa. Third, Prussia kept expanding and areas that were formerly something else became Prussia. A good example that applies locally is the southern Germany area of Hohlenzolern Sigmarigan which became part of Prussia after the 1848 Revolution. When the area changed allegiance to Prussia, it also had to change religions from Catholic to Protestant, and this encouraged emigration of those who wished to remain Catholic. Carrolltown had a Hohlensolern Hotel. 3 . Who was the Chrysostom (Christian) Luther who lived, married and died in Cocalico, Lancaster? Could he have been a relative of Conrad's? Ancestry family trees show his family origin as Alsace so it seems unlikely but he clearly lived in the same part of PA as Conrad did. The borders and national alliance of Alsace Lorraine changed perhaps more frequently than any other area of Europe. During the Napoleonic Wars 1794 to 1814, all of the West Bank of the Rhine was incorporated into France. Previously much of it had belonged to German Princes who were part of the Holy Roman Empire [dissolved by Napoleon app 1804.] 4. Do you have any idea about Elizabeth Barth's or Rebecca Smith's origins? All I know is that both were from the Lancaster area and converted to Catholicism. These are the two stories I have confused. By the way, our American Luther's are definitely not direct descendants of Martin Luther. The key word is "direct." In the past, the descendents of collateral [brothers and sisters] relatives were incorrectly mixed up with direct descendants. I have since "lost" the family tree a Luther researcher from Philadelphia sent me, but he had the Cambria County Luther's descended from an uncle of Martin Luther. This could certainly be possible--I had no way to document the family tree. It is not possible that the local Luthers are direct descendants, as the direct descendants of Martin Luther are all very well documented. I hope that life is good for you. I continue to have so much fun with ancestry dna! My 93 year old Mom checks her matches on her IPad every day. Are you the person who wanted the info about Dr. Fees? Thanks so much! 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Hi Blanche, Great to hear from you. This gives me a chance to thank you for your work and your combined work with Brenda Wallace. I just have one extra bit of Luther testimony from John Platt's Revolutionary War pension file to add. However, I will comment on ... ________ You wrote - - I did do some research for some of the Luther's from Susquehanna Township near the now defunct coal mining area of Cymbria, who married into the Weaklands. I believe that Charles Weakland who lived to his late 90's, was baptized by Fr. Gallitzin in this Luther household--pre St Joseph's at Hart's Sleeping Place. ____________ I have that Charles' baptism was at his grandfather John Weakland's home. This from CENTENARY OF ST. JOSEPH'S CHURCH page 187 (pp. 185-214 Contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by Romayne Shay McMahon OC Read and proofread by Judy Banja USGenweb PA, Cambria Co) "On the occasion of Father Gallitzin's celebrating Mass and baptizing Charles Weakland in the house of his grandfather John Weakland on August 15, 1824, permission was given the people to build a church. The location being distant from the Ebensburg road no progress was made. This road was approved by the Court at Ebensburg June 21, 1820, beginning at Ebensburg (the old Ebensburg-Carrolltown Road), passed through Carrolltown, through Sun Set Park, through John Weakland's homestead, now the Burley farm, then passed west around St. Joseph's church up the hill N. E., to the present Cross-road Hastings road to a chestnut tree - a line tree separating the St. Joseph's church property from the land east of it. This road led to Clearfield." This would be John Weakland married to Catharine Jackson. They the parents of Peter Weakland married to Theresa Adams. Peter & Theresa the parents of Charles Weakland, baptized 15 August 1824, died 14 March 1921 at age 96. He is the only Charles Weakland I have who lived to adulthood in that time period. ________________ You wrote - - 4. Do you have any idea about Elizabeth Barth's or Rebecca Smith's origins? All I know is that both were from the Lancaster area and converted to Catholicism. _______________ Beth sent - - Regarding Elizabeth Barth Pennsylvania Church Records - Adams, Berks, and Lancaster Counties, 1729-1881 Name: Conrad Luther Date: 10 Dec 1789 Event: Marriage Relation: Groom LOCATION: Lancaster CO., PA Remark: Elizabeth Barth, of Hempfield. Church: First Reformed Congregation at Lancaster, PA Record_ID: 308799 ________________ I'll add - - - Regarding both Rebecca Smith & Elizabeth Barth Nov 20, 2005 email to PaCambria mailing list from John Bauman He transcribed a March 27, 1890 Cambria Tribune newspaper article - - AGED 104 A few days ago we published a brief item announcing the death of Mr. Christopher Luther, who resided for over three-quarters of a century in Northern Cambria.His age is asserted to have been one hundred and four years at the time of his demise,and it seems probable that the statement is correct. Up until quite recently he was able to walk from his home,about one mile south of Carrolltown, to that village, every Sunday,to attend Divine worship, and then foot his way back,without apparent fatigue.He was born in Lancaster County, in the year 1776, being a son of Conrad Luther,The maiden name of his German pioneer mother was Elizabeth Bard.While yet young he came with his parents to this county, and they settled on the Henry Glass farm,in Munster Township. A few years subsequent they purchased a large tract of land near Carrolltown, and not long afterward`his father and mother were gathered to native dust. In the meantime Christopher returned to,Lancaster and was united in marriage to Miss Rebecca Smith. They settled on part of the tract.Referred to above, and lived happily together until 1854, Then his wife died.Three brother one sister have also passed away,and one brother,William, is yet living,at the age of seventy-eight. Eleven of his children are living, and of his lineal lescendants; there are seventy-six grandchildren and seventy-two great-grandchildren, nearly all residing in the vicinity of Carrolltown. Cambria Tribune March 27,1880 ______________________ I'll add my bits from my Nov 20, 2005 reply to John regarding Elizabeth Barth - - My interest in this family is that Jacob Luther of this family testified at the Revolutionary War pension hearings of John Platt. I still haven't found a connection between John Platt, born near and enlisted from Littlestown - that part of York (now Adams) Co Pa and Elizabeth Bard/Bart/Barth, b unknown. There were a few Bardt families baptizing babies in the area with some gaps in the records (like Dec 1769 to Nov 1770) at Christ Church,Littlestown. Joseph Platt, brother of John has some records in this church a few years later (1774 to 1785.) Jane Tripp Jacob Luther's testimony from 1844 contained in John Platt's pension file - - "November 11, 1844: Jacob Luther duly sworn on his oath deposes; that he has known the above named applicant John Platt for at least thirty nine years last past, that during nearly all that time, and long before the year 1832, and ever since, it is the general belief in this county among all acquainted with said Platt, and with whom this affiant is acquainted, and he is acquainted with the whole neighborhood, that the said John Platt served as a soldier in the war of the revolution for the United States against the British. This affiant has entire confidence and belief in the declarations of the said John Platt as to his services as a revolutionary soldier, as he is known to this affiant as a man of good character, veracity and religious conscientiousness, and is esteemed as such by all the neighbors and acquaintenances. In the fall of 1832, this affiant learned from the said John Platt and Henry A. Byrne Esq. (who was then on a visit to his friends in this county, from his residence in Virginia) that an application would be then made for a pension for said John Platt. About that time the said Platt applied to the mother of this affiant to be a witness for him in proving his revolutionary services. She stated that she recollects of his having served as a soldier in the war of the revolution from York county Pa. Her testimony was not then taken; she was aged and unfit to be taken to court or any great distance from home. She is since dead......" __________________ Regards, Jane Tripp, still wondering how Elizabeth *of Hempfield* recollects John Platt from York Co., PA