Any obits or other information you may have would be welcome. I became interested due to the Haid-Hite family connection, the family of my step-father, Gerald Hite. His father was William Hite Sr. and his grandfather, the emigrant, was Raphael Haid-Hite. There are still Haid farmers in Allegheny Township. Gerald Hite told me that Raphael changed the spelling of the family name from "Haid" to "Hite" because the mail was getting mixed up. Gerald knew there was a family connection with the Bertram family, but that was all he knew. Valentine Haid came to the US from Hohlenzollern Sigmarigan sometime before 1839. He was married in Germany to Martina Heim. I have not been able to find Valentine Haid-Hite's death or burial information. Martina's marriage to John Bertram [in Ledoux] mentions that she is the widow of Valentine Haid. I assume Valentine Haid actually arrived in the US, but I am not sure of that. Martina [Martha] seems to be a Haid name. Some other researchers found family lists through the Mormon records. Patti Hamill has been "translating" them. Some Catholic churches, mostly in Southern Germany, kept lists of each family, starting with each new marriage, and adding each child as it was born. According to this, Valentine Haid-Hite had two married daughters who stayed in Germany, and about 3 or 4 children who emigrated with them to the US. John Bertram and Martina are in the 1850 Census in Allegheny Township, with her Haid children and one Haid-Hite child, Peter Bertram, born to John Bertram. Martina's son, Raphael Haid-Hite, purchased a farm on the Old Dutch Road. Coming from the end near the Chest Springs-Loretto Road, it is just past the Chest Creek and the Railroad crossing of the railroad that goes between Eckenrode Mills and Bradley Junction. The old farm house and farm buildings are gone, but Raphael's son and grandson, both named William Haid-Hite, kept the land and built new homes. I am not sure which of "Bill" Hite Jr's sons own the farm. This is the same family of Hites who own the coal and gravel supply on Rt. 219 near Sunset Homes. There are records of two Peter Bertrams married to two Elizabeth Bakers. "Baker" may also be "Becker." I got some information from Jean Sharbaugh, and she says that John2's father is Phillip1. I think that John Bertram had a close relative, probably a brother, who emigrated with himm Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: pce53703 <pce53703@gmail.com> To: PACAMBRI <PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com> Cc: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Peter Bertram m Elizabeth Baker If anyone has info or suggestions, I'm interested on this as well, as Peter and John Bertram are direct ancestors for me. Marilyn, I think all the information I've ever found on this has been through the info you and others on the list posted onto Rootsweb/online. I've got some obituaries for Bertrams but only as far back as my great-great grandfather Henry Bertram b 15 Aug 1862 d 10 Oct 1931. The first child listed (Anthony) is my great grandfather. (I can share this obit and the other Bertram obits with anyone who may want to look). Henry's parents are listed as Peter and Elizabeth Baker Bertram. (Sorry copy is so bad, this is what the Cambria Lib sent me). Thanks, Patrick On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:16 AM, marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> wrote: Could anyone help me with this problem. I believe this Peter Bertram is the son of John Bertram and Martina Heim Haid, widow of Valentine Haid. Peter was born about April 1840. Elizabeth was born about July 21, 1842, daughter of William Baker and Christina Helfreit. She married Peter Bertram on November 15, 1842 at St. Benedict's in Carrolltown. I came across a second Peter Bertram marrried to an Ellizabeth Baker. I think this is a second set of people. Can anyone help me? Can anyone go back to grandparents? Marilyn Kline Washington - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message