hello patricia, i was looking for someone in my family and i came upon your email to don and beth.....i do not know you or them, but i had some information that you may want according to your conversation..... joseph and winifred(winnie) were my grandparents. their children are joseph, eugene (my father), and edward. they did not have anyother children together. if i can help you with any other info, let me know. jan (mcgreehan) youwakim