I wonder if you are correct in say in the instance you mention below that she became the copyright holder. I think that applies to professional photographers if I am not mistaken. I doubt if my family album would be copyrighted. I think also one must apply for a copyright as well. I think also there are a number of years attached to a copyright. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]> To: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > Janet, I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries, both on private > property > and church grounds, and have never encountered anything like this. Most > states have provisions spelled out in the State Code covering the > responsibilities of the cemetery visitor/researcher and the cemetery > owner/land owner. > I have read that some business cemeteries with celeberity burials do > charge > professional photographers. > Here in the area where I live, East Tennessee/Southwest Virginia, I have > usually found extremely helpful land owners go out of their way, unlocking > gates, providing access through pastures, guiding my route to the cemetery > and being very apprecitative that someone is making an effort to preserve > these old cemeteries and present them for genealogical use. > I have photographed in White Township, Reade Township, Hart's Sleeping > Place > in Cambria County and Beccaria Township in Clearfield County. All these > photos are on-line on either the Cambria County web site or my own web > site. > In addition, I administer the Scott County, Virginia Historical Society > web > site where we presently have 470+ cemeteries photographed, the majority of > which I have photographed. > The lady that took the tombstone photos for you broke no law nor did she > in > any way show disrespect to the cemetery. By taking the photograph, she > became the copyright holder of that specific photograph. > Please tell her to keep up the good work. > > Kenny Stallard > Host, White Township Web Site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:00 AM > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > >> Is there any church rules about taking photographs of headstones in a >> Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? >> >> The reason I asked: >> On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a cousin's headstone in a >> Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania and a very kind lady >> took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was on site for a week when >> she was notified to take it off the site or the cemetery officials would >> sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other things. >> >> Just Curious, >> Janet (Maryland) >> >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Oh my yes she IS the copyright holder. Registering the copyright gives extra protection But there is no rule that one must apply for copyright. According to U.S. Copyright Law, the photographer owns the copyright, negatives, or digital files on all images shot. This is same copyright law that protects all artists and people who create--whether they be composers, authors, watercolorists, photographers... Robert Jerin --- On Sat, 10/1/11, James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> wrote: > From: James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > To: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]>, "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 9:48 AM > I wonder if you are correct in say in > the instance you mention below that > she became the copyright holder. I think that applies to > professional > photographers if I am not mistaken. > I doubt if my family album would be copyrighted. I think > also one must apply > for a copyright as well. I think also there are a number of > years attached > to a copyright. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]> > To: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > > > Janet, I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries, > both on private > > property > > and church grounds, and have never encountered > anything like this.  Most > > states have provisions spelled out in the State Code > covering the > > responsibilities of the cemetery visitor/researcher > and the cemetery > > owner/land owner. > > I have read that some business cemeteries with > celeberity burials do > > charge > > professional photographers. > > Here in the area where I live, East > Tennessee/Southwest Virginia, I have > > usually found extremely helpful land owners go out of > their way, unlocking > > gates, providing access through pastures, guiding my > route to the cemetery > > and being very apprecitative that someone is making an > effort to preserve > > these old cemeteries and present them for genealogical > use. > > I have photographed in White Township, Reade Township, > Hart's Sleeping > > Place > > in Cambria  County and Beccaria Township in > Clearfield County.  All these > > photos are on-line on either the Cambria County web > site or my own web > > site. > > In addition, I administer the Scott County, Virginia > Historical Society > > web > > site where we presently have 470+ cemeteries > photographed, the majority of > > which I have photographed. > > The lady that took the tombstone photos for you broke > no law nor did she > > in > > any way show disrespect to the cemetery.  By > taking the photograph, she > > became the copyright holder of that specific > photograph. > > Please tell her to keep up the good work. > > > > Kenny Stallard > > Host, White Township Web Site > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:00 AM > > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > > > > >> Is there any church rules about taking photographs > of headstones in a > >> Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? > >> > >> The reason I asked: > >> On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a > cousin's headstone in a > >> Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania > and a very kind lady > >> took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was > on site for a week when > >> she was notified to take it off the site or the > cemetery officials would > >> sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other > things. > >> > >> Just Curious, > >> Janet (Maryland) > >> > >> > >> > >> - - - - - - - - - - > >> > >> Search for more Cambria County information on our > webpage: > >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Search for more Cambria County information on our > webpage: > > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

This is why places like Staples will not copy a photograph taken by a professional photographer--unless is a very old one which is probably beyond copyright law. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin <[email protected]> To: PACAMBRI-L <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 10:34 am Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question Oh my yes she IS the copyright holder. Registering the copyright gives extra rotection But there is no rule that one must apply for copyright. According to U.S. Copyright Law, the photographer owns the copyright, negatives, r digital files on all images shot. This is same copyright law that protects all artists and people who reate--whether they be composers, authors, watercolorists, photographers... Robert Jerin --- On Sat, 10/1/11, James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> wrote: > From: James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question To: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]>, "Janet L. Gray" [email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 9:48 AM I wonder if you are correct in say in the instance you mention below that she became the copyright holder. I think that applies to professional photographers if I am not mistaken. I doubt if my family album would be copyrighted. I think also one must apply for a copyright as well. I think also there are a number of years attached to a copyright. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]> To: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > Janet, I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries, both on private > property > and church grounds, and have never encountered anything like this. Most > states have provisions spelled out in the State Code covering the > responsibilities of the cemetery visitor/researcher and the cemetery > owner/land owner. > I have read that some business cemeteries with celeberity burials do > charge > professional photographers. > Here in the area where I live, East Tennessee/Southwest Virginia, I have > usually found extremely helpful land owners go out of their way, unlocking > gates, providing access through pastures, guiding my route to the cemetery > and being very apprecitative that someone is making an effort to preserve > these old cemeteries and present them for genealogical use. > I have photographed in White Township, Reade Township, Hart's Sleeping > Place > in Cambria County and Beccaria Township in Clearfield County. All these > photos are on-line on either the Cambria County web site or my own web > site. > In addition, I administer the Scott County, Virginia Historical Society > web > site where we presently have 470+ cemeteries photographed, the majority of > which I have photographed. > The lady that took the tombstone photos for you broke no law nor did she > in > any way show disrespect to the cemetery. By taking the photograph, she > became the copyright holder of that specific photograph. > Please tell her to keep up the good work. > > Kenny Stallard > Host, White Township Web Site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:00 AM > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > >> Is there any church rules about taking photographs of headstones in a >> Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? >> >> The reason I asked: >> On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a cousin's headstone in a >> Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania and a very kind lady >> took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was on site for a week when >> she was notified to take it off the site or the cemetery officials would >> sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other things. >> >> Just Curious, >> Janet (Maryland) >> >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi, since this topic resurfaced I'll add my two cents. I'm from Harrisburg, Pa. and there was an article in the local Patriot News dated 8/1/2011 talking about a laser scanning project of the Mt. Calvary Cemtery belonging to the Hbg. Catholic Diocese in a joint venture by Historic American Landscape Surveys, the National Park Service, and a local firm Land Logistics Group. Here are three paragraphs from the article: "Sally B. Holbert, Land Logistics landscape architect and principal, said that the goal of the cooperative project is to develop a digital inventory of the cemetery. The study, being done at no charge to the city or the Roman Catholic Diocese of Harrisburg, involves workers using a large laser scanner to map out a grid to produce a detailed layout of the cemetery and a global positioning unit on a stick to pinpoint satellite signals for a point of reference. Data, at first produced in dot form, will be translated into detailed renditions of each grave in the cemetery and the entire cemetery. Holbert said that when the study is complete, cemetery officials will have information to better manage the cemetery, help people doing genealogy research and encourage use of the cemetery for recreation. Finding better use for existing land is her passion, she said." I'm sure that when the Diocese contracted with these groups for this joint project/venture the cemetery information became proprietary and no longer public information. Unfortunately, this probably means that down the road this cemetery info and probably others will appear somewhere on a paid/ subscription site. I would be curious if the woman that got in trouble for taking and posting the photograph was informed about the laser scanning thing. Nancy Caruthers Karns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marilyn Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:27 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question This is why places like Staples will not copy a photograph taken by a professional photographer--unless is a very old one which is probably beyond copyright law. Marilyn Kline Washington ============================================================================== This communication, including attachments, is confidential, may be subject to legal privileges, and is intended for the sole use of the addressee. Any use, duplication, disclosure or dissemination of this communication, other than by the addressee, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete or destroy this communication and all copies.