I would certainly write to the church asking for a copy of the marriage and also the baptismal information, if it was recorded. Don't forget to include a donation for their efforts and a SASE. I usually end my request with the following: "I realize you have more pressing matters to attend to and I appreciate any assistance you can provide me in my research". I just like the way it sounds. No harm in asking and if you get lucky, well................................................. you get lucky! Good luck. Jack CC: [email protected]; [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Do you know procedure of Catholic Records for new families Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:39:50 -0500 Ok, I have three siblings who were born out of the country who married in Cambria Co., PA. Do you think that I may be able to find clues as to where they were baptized? 27 May 1889 Augustin C Fisher and Teresa A Ellwanger were married by Rev. T. W. Rosenthal at St. Thomas Church in Ashville. 7 May 1889 John D Fisher and Mary A Yahner were married by P Maxamillian Herr OSV in Carrolltown. 30 Oct 1894 John Cawley and Mary Fisher married in Ashville by T W Rosensteel The other three siblings were born here in the US and I have two of their baptismal records from Philadelphia and Berks Counties, PA. Pattie On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Jack O'Connor wrote:In NYC, I have found a number of Irish marriage certificates (being an O'Connor this is of interest to me) issued by church's have the baptismal information of the participants located on the back of the marriage certificate. Certainly not done in all cases but it only takes one to make you a believer. The story as I've heard it is that the priests wanted verification of their being catholic and requested this information, I doubt the NYC priest actually verified the information but it was given and included on the marriage certificate. I verified it. The moral of the story is now when I request a marriage certificate, I ask them to include any other genealogical information their records may contain. I also include a check as well. When I wrote to the church's in Ireland I did not include a check but included a 10 pound Irish note. I don't think getting a check from an American bank would have been what they wanted. Happy Holidays to everyone and good hunting in 2012!! Jack > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 03:37:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Do you know procedure of Catholic Records for new families > > > A parish is required to keep records of any sacraments conferred on a person: Baptism, Penance, Holy Communion, Conformation, Marriage, Sacrament of the Sick [formerly Extreme Unction] and Holy Orders [this one males only, conferred by a Bishop] Catholic Churches keep burial records, but burial is not a sacrament. > The most important sacrament is Baptism. Used to be that when a Catholic couple or individual [with or without Catholic spouse] had a child, said child got baptized by the priest within a week or month or so. Please Note New e-mail address: [email protected]

Right, I forgot to mention the SASE. Self Addressed Stamped Envelope. That helps, as it cuts the secretary's effort and adds a sense of obligation to answer your request. Anything to make the church's part easier is worth a try. Someone asked about the amount of a donation. I suggest at least $10 and probably $20 or more if you can afford it. A money order or check is best. Also, you might request a photocopy, which will give you all the information available in the original handwriting, which might be more than you would receive from an official baptismal or marriage certificate that is "fill in the blanks." Be specific, and include dates and alternate spellings of the name. Dates, even approximate, help the priest or secretary find the entry, as records are filed by dates and types of records--baptismal, marriage and deaths--in separate volumes. DO NOT ever say something like "Send me everything you have on the Jones family." Sometimes if you go to the parish office, it will help. One secretary made me a photocopy of my grandmother's adult conversion, then carefully cut off all the other information about other baptisms on the same page. Remember, these are not public records, and the Church is doing you a courtesy to send you genealogical information. So be courteous. Official Pennsylvania Vital Statistics are sent from the New Castle office--find the web site. Several tips: it takes about six weeks if you send for the certificate, but if you request it through your local PA Representative through his office, it will come back in a week or two. The office will have a form, which it is better to use. You must have a MO or check for the payment--no cash. You can go to New Castle and get the certificate the same day. Be sure to specify that you want a "non certified copy" for genealogy purposes--since 9-11 they are very particular about the certificates. Specify family relationship if there is one. Some European countries will give certificates only to direct descendants of a subject. Marriage Records [from 1885 to present] are in the County, as are divorce records. Birth and Death Records from 1893 to 1906 are also in the county. You can get details from the county web site. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Jack O'Connor <[email protected]> To: phamill <[email protected]> Cc: marilynkwash <[email protected]>; PA List <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Dec 22, 2011 12:21 pm Subject: RE: [PACAMBRI] Do you know procedure of Catholic Records for new families I would certainly write to the church asking for a copy of the marriage and also the baptismal information, if it was recorded. Don't forget to include a donation for their efforts and a SASE. I usually end my request with the following: "I realize you have more pressing matters to attend to and I appreciate any assistance you can provide me in my research". I just like the way it sounds. No harm in asking and if you get lucky, well................................................. you get lucky! Good luck. Jack CC: [email protected]; [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Do you know procedure of Catholic Records for new families Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:39:50 -0500 Ok, I have three siblings who were born out of the country who married in Cambria Co., PA. Do you think that I may be able to find clues as to where they were baptized? 27 May 1889 Augustin C Fisher and Teresa A Ellwanger were married by Rev. T. W. Rosenthal at St. Thomas Church in Ashville. 7 May 1889 John D Fisher and Mary A Yahner were married by P Maxamillian Herr OSV in Carrolltown. 30 Oct 1894 John Cawley and Mary Fisher married in Ashville by T W Rosensteel The other three siblings were born here in the US and I have two of their baptismal records from Philadelphia and Berks Counties, PA. Pattie On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Jack O'Connor wrote: In NYC, I have found a number of Irish marriage certificates (being an O'Connor this is of interest to me) issued by church's have the baptismal information of the participants located on the back of the marriage certificate. Certainly not done in all cases but it only takes one to make you a believer. The story as I've heard it is that the priests wanted verification of their being catholic and requested this information, I doubt the NYC priest actually verified the information but it was given and included on the marriage certificate. I verified it. The moral of the story is now when I request a marriage certificate, I ask them to include any other genealogical information their records may contain. I also include a check as well. When I wrote to the church's in Ireland I did not include a check but included a 10 pound Irish note. I don't think getting a check from an American bank would have been what they wanted. Happy Holidays to everyone and good hunting in 2012!! Jack > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 03:37:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Do you know procedure of Catholic Records for new families > > > A parish is required to keep records of any sacraments conferred on a person: Baptism, Penance, Holy Communion, Conformation, Marriage, Sacrament of the Sick [formerly Extreme Unction] and Holy Orders [this one males only, conferred by a Bishop] Catholic Churches keep burial records, but burial is not a sacrament. > The most important sacrament is Baptism. Used to be that when a Catholic couple or individual [with or without Catholic spouse] had a child, said child got baptized by the priest within a week or month or so. Please Note New e-mail address: [email protected]