Let me jump in here and add a little something. In NYC, I have found a number of Irish marriage certificates (being an O'Connor this is of interest to me) issued by church's have the baptismal information of the participants located on the back of the marriage certificate. Certainly not done in all cases but it only takes one to make you a believer. The story as I've heard it is that the priests wanted verification of their being catholic and requested this information, I doubt the NYC priest actually verified the information but it was given and included on the marriage certificate. I verified it. The moral of the story is now when I request a marriage certificate, I ask them to include any other genealogical information their records may contain. I also include a check as well. When I wrote to the church's in Ireland I did not include a check but included a 10 pound Irish note. I don't think getting a check from an American bank would have been what they wanted. Happy Holidays to everyone and good hunting in 2012!! Jack > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 03:37:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Do you know procedure of Catholic Records for new families > > > A parish is required to keep records of any sacraments conferred on a person: Baptism, Penance, Holy Communion, Conformation, Marriage, Sacrament of the Sick [formerly Extreme Unction] and Holy Orders [this one males only, conferred by a Bishop] Catholic Churches keep burial records, but burial is not a sacrament. > The most important sacrament is Baptism. Used to be that when a Catholic couple or individual [with or without Catholic spouse] had a child, said child got baptized by the priest within a week or month or so. A saint's name was required. Which parish was dictated by where the Catholic resided, as parishes were geographical. > Exceptions: in an area where there are ethnic parishes or Greek/Byzantine parishes, a Catholic may belong to them. This was a matter of contention among the emigrants, and they won. Now, for whatever reason given by the Bishop, many of these have been closed. > Since Vatican Conference II, many things have changed. > Now the priests sometimes refuse to baptize a child if both parents are not married Catholics--married in the Church to each other. Some of them also require that the parents and/or godparents take classes before the baptism. > No one may receive any other sacraments unless they are first Baptized. To receive the other sacraments, you must prove you were baptized with a current baptismal certificate sent from the church where you were baptized to the church where the other sacraments are to be received. > Generally Penance [First Confession] and First Holy Communion are given to children in the second grade. Pre instruction is required, and some parishes will require that the parents be "practicing Catholics" and prove it. > Conformation in the Roman Rite is conferred after 12 years of age, usually now in high school, and fewer teenagers can be talked into being confirmed. In this diocese, a Catholic high school student cannot graduate if he/she is not confirmed. The parish church will give conformation instructions and these vary a great deal. Since there are fewer students per parish, many parishes join together for Conformation, or the students all go to the Cathedral. > Generally, the preceding sacraments are required before you can marry in the Catholic Church. The period of instruction varies, and in some dioceses they have special Pre Cana weekends or seminars. If you don't go to the classes, no church wedding. Rules vary a lot about "mixed marriages" when one of the couple is not a baptized Catholic. You must have the church of your baptism send a current baptismal certificate to the church where you will marry. This marriage should then be recorded in the baptismal church as well as the marriage church. > Sacrament of the Sick used to be given only when someone was dying, but those rules have changed too. There are group healing rites. > > To join a parish, you should find out what one you belong to [geographical] and go to the parish office and register. If you have children in a Catholic school, you should join one of the parishes that sponsors the school. > > Most of the Catholic schools have three levels of fees: non- Catholics or non-members of a parish, full fee; parish members, lower fee [which may be adjusted if you have several children] and the cost after financial aid. This diocese hired a company to determine who is eligible and for how much aid. The three Catholic High Schools have similar rules. > > I have said before that these church records are not public records. The individual churches are required to give out records for any Catholic to receive a sacrament. This will usually include parent's marriage certificates. You need to call the church in question and request that certificates be sent by that church to the new church. They are not supposed to charge, but most do, which is only fair. > For example, my daughter was baptized in Camp Hill, PA, had her first communion with her grade school at Loretto, PA and was confirmed at Hastings, PA. She had to have certificates from all these churches sent to the one in NYC where she current belonged, and that priest collected and sent them all to the London parish where she was married. > > > Marilyn Kline Washington > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patricia Hamill <[email protected]> > To: Washington Marilyn Kline <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Jun 21, 2010 8:42 pm > Subject: Do you know procedure of Catholic Records for new families > > > Good Evening Marilyn, > I am sorry for the odd subject line. When a new family comes to town > nd joins the local church then as the children grow and marry ect > ct., when does the church acquire documents of proof that the family > s Catholic and can be married by the church or obtain other rights > uch as burial in the church grounds ect. > I was told that if I could acquire original marriage church records > hat they may contain where a person was born if they were not of the > rea. > Do you know if these records are available by request from the local > atholic Church in Cambria County? Would I just call the church and > sk? > What do you recommend? > Pattie > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok, I have three siblings who were born out of the country who married in Cambria Co., PA. Do you think that I may be able to find clues as to where they were baptized? 27 May 1889 Augustin C Fisher and Teresa A Ellwanger were married by Rev. T. W. Rosenthal at St. Thomas Church in Ashville. 7 May 1889 John D Fisher and Mary A Yahner were married by P Maxamillian Herr OSV in Carrolltown. 30 Oct 1894 John Cawley and Mary Fisher married in Ashville by T W Rosensteel The other three siblings were born here in the US and I have two of their baptismal records from Philadelphia and Berks Counties, PA. Pattie On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Jack O'Connor wrote: > In NYC, I have found a number of Irish marriage certificates (being > an O'Connor this is of interest to me) issued by church's have the > baptismal information of the participants located on the back of the > marriage certificate. > Certainly not done in all cases but it only takes one to make you a > believer. The story as I've heard it is that the priests wanted > verification of their being catholic and requested this information, > I doubt the NYC priest actually verified the information but it was > given and included on the marriage certificate. I verified it. > > The moral of the story is now when I request a marriage certificate, > I ask them to include any other genealogical information their > records may contain. I also include a check as well. When I wrote to > the church's in Ireland I did not include a check but included a 10 > pound Irish note. I don't think getting a check from an American > bank would have been what they wanted. > > Happy Holidays to everyone and good hunting in 2012!! > > Jack > > > > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 03:37:43 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Do you know procedure of Catholic Records > for new families > > > > > > A parish is required to keep records of any sacraments conferred > on a person: Baptism, Penance, Holy Communion, Conformation, > Marriage, Sacrament of the Sick [formerly Extreme Unction] and Holy > Orders [this one males only, conferred by a Bishop] Catholic > Churches keep burial records, but burial is not a sacrament. > > The most important sacrament is Baptism. Used to be that when a > Catholic couple or individual [with or without Catholic spouse] had > a child, said child got baptized by the priest within a week or > month or so. Please Note New e-mail address: [email protected]