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    1. [PACAMBRI] Marriage Index
    2. James Thomas Rosenbaum
    3. Am looking for the marriage date for Charles Gelles to Agnes M. (Yakicic) (Borischak) Gelles. Marriage date of Agnes to George Borischak and to Gelles. Charles married first to Helen Kolson on 05/13/1935. James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855 jtr@atlanticbb.net Better We Should Err In Action Than Wholly Refuse To Perform Fixing is often done by listening. See with your ears and hear with your eyes, heal with your heart and empathy. Blind people do it.

    05/13/2013 10:01:24
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy Ambrose
    2. marilyn
    3. I used to help Charles Lantzy look up material. I seem to remember that Ambrose and a brother [sorry, not name comes to me] lived either in Indiana County or toward Indiana, and that they were married to non-Catholics. Penn's Manor, Purchase Line and Belsano were some of the places mentione. I was just reading the photocopied book about the History of the Brethren Church in Western Pa, and I came across the name Misner, mostly Elders and ministers of the church in Indiana County. I think that is probably where the Rice family is from. The Orner family came to the Indiana Area from Eastern Pa. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Mary Hoffherr <mho4@comcast.net> To: 'James Thomas Rosenbaum' <jtr@atlanticbb.net>; 'Message Cambria' <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy Henry Samuel Lantzy and Mary Olive Misner Ambrose and Mary Catherine (Rice) Lantzy Michael and Harriet (Orner) Misner -----Original Message----- From: pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Thomas Rosenbaum Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 5:43 PM To: Message Cambria Subject: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy Who are the parents of Samuel and Mary (Misner) Lantzy? James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855 jtr@atlanticbb.net Better We Should Err In Action Than Wholly Refuse To Perform Fixing is often done by listening. See with your ears and hear with your eyes, heal with your heart and empathy. Blind people do it. - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/13/2013 07:22:53
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy
    2. Mary Hoffherr
    3. Henry Samuel Lantzy and Mary Olive Misner Ambrose and Mary Catherine (Rice) Lantzy Michael and Harriet (Orner) Misner -----Original Message----- From: pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Thomas Rosenbaum Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 5:43 PM To: Message Cambria Subject: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy Who are the parents of Samuel and Mary (Misner) Lantzy? James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855 jtr@atlanticbb.net Better We Should Err In Action Than Wholly Refuse To Perform Fixing is often done by listening. See with your ears and hear with your eyes, heal with your heart and empathy. Blind people do it. - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/13/2013 11:26:34
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy Philip
    2. marilyn
    3. Charles Lantzy published the letters of Philip Lantzy from the Civil War. He was killed at Antietam.. One of the Lantzy family found the letters in a "lard can" in the attic and gave the letters to Charles. Most of the local Cambria County libraries have a copy. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Baker <lisa_18406@msn.com> To: 'James Thomas Rosenbaum' <jtr@atlanticbb.net>; 'Message Cambria' <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy The LDS Family Search website is posting marriage licenses for Pennsylvania. They also have the 1900, 1930 and 1940 censuses for review, plus several from the 1800s. 1910 and 1920 shows families, but doesn't list the city. Ambrose Lantzy, 1831-1906 2) Katherine Rice, 1866-1942 (mother of 11 children, including Henry Samuel and Edith Lantzy) 1) Elizabeth Robinson, @1832-1877 (mother of 9 children) Ambrose's younger brother Philip Lantzy was killed in the Civil War Pg 303, ML 1989 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHNJ-H6H Name: Samuel Lantzy Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 05 Oct 1911 Event Place: Indiana, Pennsylvania, United States Age: 24 Birth Year (Estimated): 1887 Father's Name: Ambrose Lantzy Mother's Name: Catherine Spouse's Name: Mary A Misner Spouse's Age: 19 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1892 Spouse's Father's Name: Mike Misner Spouse's Mother's Name: Harriet GS Film number: 1288587 Digital Folder Number: 004838928 Image Number: 00524 Collection: Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950 Pg 302 ML 1988 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHNJ-H6S Name: Frank Pamaro Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 07 Sep 1911 Event Place: Indiana, Pennsylvania, United States Age: 22 Birth Year (Estimated): 1889 Father's Name: Mike Pamaro Mother's Name: Annie Spouse's Name: Edith Lantzy Spouse's Age: 17 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1894 Spouse's Father's Name: Ambrose Lantzy Spouse's Mother's Name: Catherine GS Film number: 1288587 Digital Folder Number: 004838928 Image Number: 00524 Collection: Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950 -----Original Message----- From: pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Thomas Rosenbaum Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 5:43 PM To: Message Cambria Subject: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy Who are the parents of Samuel and Mary (Misner) Lantzy? James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855 jtr@atlanticbb.net Better We Should Err In Action Than Wholly Refuse To Perform Fixing is often done by listening. See with your ears and hear with your eyes, heal with your heart and empathy. Blind people do it. - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/12/2013 07:04:27
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] Margaret (Gilmartin) Gallagher
    2. Kenny Stallard
    3. The 1880 census shows 139 Gilmartins in Pennsylvania. The majority are in Lakawanna County. Kenny Stallard ----- Original Message ----- From: <NagleH@aol.com> To: <PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:06 PM Subject: [PACAMBRI] Margaret (Gilmartin) Gallagher > Hope it is ok to ask a question relating to my Great Grandmother, > Margaret > (Gilmartin) Gallagher, who is buried in a Clearfield County Cemetery in > Houtzdale. (St. Lawrence Cemetery in Houtzdale.) The only marker there > for > my G/Grandmother is a small stone with the word "Mother" on it. My great > uncle- Edward Gallagher paid for this stone and the engraving. Her > husband, > Thomas Gallagher came from County Sligo in Ireland and married his wife, > Margaret Gilmartin in Houtzdale. The 1880 census shows their family > living > in Houtzdale and they were all coal miners. There are no other Gilmartin > families shown on that census. We suppose that perhaps she came from > Ireland, too and all her relatives stayed in Ireland. Would anyone know > of any > Gilmartins living in surrounding counties in that period of time. Would > appreciate any information anyone has. > Herman Nagle > Altoona > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/12/2013 03:26:44
    1. [PACAMBRI] Margaret (Gilmartin) Gallagher
    2. Hope it is ok to ask a question relating to my Great Grandmother, Margaret (Gilmartin) Gallagher, who is buried in a Clearfield County Cemetery in Houtzdale. (St. Lawrence Cemetery in Houtzdale.) The only marker there for my G/Grandmother is a small stone with the word "Mother" on it. My great uncle- Edward Gallagher paid for this stone and the engraving. Her husband, Thomas Gallagher came from County Sligo in Ireland and married his wife, Margaret Gilmartin in Houtzdale. The 1880 census shows their family living in Houtzdale and they were all coal miners. There are no other Gilmartin families shown on that census. We suppose that perhaps she came from Ireland, too and all her relatives stayed in Ireland. Would anyone know of any Gilmartins living in surrounding counties in that period of time. Would appreciate any information anyone has. Herman Nagle Altoona

    05/12/2013 03:06:24
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy
    2. Lisa Baker
    3. The LDS Family Search website is posting marriage licenses for Pennsylvania. They also have the 1900, 1930 and 1940 censuses for review, plus several from the 1800s. 1910 and 1920 shows families, but doesn't list the city. Ambrose Lantzy, 1831-1906 2) Katherine Rice, 1866-1942 (mother of 11 children, including Henry Samuel and Edith Lantzy) 1) Elizabeth Robinson, @1832-1877 (mother of 9 children) Ambrose's younger brother Philip Lantzy was killed in the Civil War Pg 303, ML 1989 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHNJ-H6H Name: Samuel Lantzy Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 05 Oct 1911 Event Place: Indiana, Pennsylvania, United States Age: 24 Birth Year (Estimated): 1887 Father's Name: Ambrose Lantzy Mother's Name: Catherine Spouse's Name: Mary A Misner Spouse's Age: 19 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1892 Spouse's Father's Name: Mike Misner Spouse's Mother's Name: Harriet GS Film number: 1288587 Digital Folder Number: 004838928 Image Number: 00524 Collection: Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950 Pg 302 ML 1988 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHNJ-H6S Name: Frank Pamaro Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 07 Sep 1911 Event Place: Indiana, Pennsylvania, United States Age: 22 Birth Year (Estimated): 1889 Father's Name: Mike Pamaro Mother's Name: Annie Spouse's Name: Edith Lantzy Spouse's Age: 17 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1894 Spouse's Father's Name: Ambrose Lantzy Spouse's Mother's Name: Catherine GS Film number: 1288587 Digital Folder Number: 004838928 Image Number: 00524 Collection: Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950 -----Original Message----- From: pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Thomas Rosenbaum Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 5:43 PM To: Message Cambria Subject: [PACAMBRI] lantrzy Who are the parents of Samuel and Mary (Misner) Lantzy? James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855 jtr@atlanticbb.net Better We Should Err In Action Than Wholly Refuse To Perform Fixing is often done by listening. See with your ears and hear with your eyes, heal with your heart and empathy. Blind people do it. - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/12/2013 01:40:16
    1. [PACAMBRI] lantrzy
    2. James Thomas Rosenbaum
    3. Who are the parents of Samuel and Mary (Misner) Lantzy? James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855 jtr@atlanticbb.net Better We Should Err In Action Than Wholly Refuse To Perform Fixing is often done by listening. See with your ears and hear with your eyes, heal with your heart and empathy. Blind people do it.

    05/12/2013 11:43:20
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] Luther Questions
    2. JCTripp
    3. Hi Blanche, Great to hear from you. This gives me a chance to thank you for your work and your combined work with Brenda Wallace. I just have one extra bit of Luther testimony from John Platt's Revolutionary War pension file to add. However, I will comment on ... ________ You wrote - - I did do some research for some of the Luther's from Susquehanna Township near the now defunct coal mining area of Cymbria, who married into the Weaklands. I believe that Charles Weakland who lived to his late 90's, was baptized by Fr. Gallitzin in this Luther household--pre St Joseph's at Hart's Sleeping Place. ____________ I have that Charles' baptism was at his grandfather John Weakland's home. This from CENTENARY OF ST. JOSEPH'S CHURCH page 187 (pp. 185-214 Contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by Romayne Shay McMahon OC Read and proofread by Judy Banja USGenweb PA, Cambria Co) "On the occasion of Father Gallitzin's celebrating Mass and baptizing Charles Weakland in the house of his grandfather John Weakland on August 15, 1824, permission was given the people to build a church. The location being distant from the Ebensburg road no progress was made. This road was approved by the Court at Ebensburg June 21, 1820, beginning at Ebensburg (the old Ebensburg-Carrolltown Road), passed through Carrolltown, through Sun Set Park, through John Weakland's homestead, now the Burley farm, then passed west around St. Joseph's church up the hill N. E., to the present Cross-road Hastings road to a chestnut tree - a line tree separating the St. Joseph's church property from the land east of it. This road led to Clearfield." This would be John Weakland married to Catharine Jackson. They the parents of Peter Weakland married to Theresa Adams. Peter & Theresa the parents of Charles Weakland, baptized 15 August 1824, died 14 March 1921 at age 96. He is the only Charles Weakland I have who lived to adulthood in that time period. ________________ You wrote - - 4. Do you have any idea about Elizabeth Barth's or Rebecca Smith's origins? All I know is that both were from the Lancaster area and converted to Catholicism. _______________ Beth sent - - Regarding Elizabeth Barth Pennsylvania Church Records - Adams, Berks, and Lancaster Counties, 1729-1881 Name: Conrad Luther Date: 10 Dec 1789 Event: Marriage Relation: Groom LOCATION: Lancaster CO., PA Remark: Elizabeth Barth, of Hempfield. Church: First Reformed Congregation at Lancaster, PA Record_ID: 308799 ________________ I'll add - - - Regarding both Rebecca Smith & Elizabeth Barth Nov 20, 2005 email to PaCambria mailing list from John Bauman He transcribed a March 27, 1890 Cambria Tribune newspaper article - - AGED 104 A few days ago we published a brief item announcing the death of Mr. Christopher Luther, who resided for over three-quarters of a century in Northern Cambria.His age is asserted to have been one hundred and four years at the time of his demise,and it seems probable that the statement is correct. Up until quite recently he was able to walk from his home,about one mile south of Carrolltown, to that village, every Sunday,to attend Divine worship, and then foot his way back,without apparent fatigue.He was born in Lancaster County, in the year 1776, being a son of Conrad Luther,The maiden name of his German pioneer mother was Elizabeth Bard.While yet young he came with his parents to this county, and they settled on the Henry Glass farm,in Munster Township. A few years subsequent they purchased a large tract of land near Carrolltown, and not long afterward`his father and mother were gathered to native dust. In the meantime Christopher returned to,Lancaster and was united in marriage to Miss Rebecca Smith. They settled on part of the tract.Referred to above, and lived happily together until 1854, Then his wife died.Three brother one sister have also passed away,and one brother,William, is yet living,at the age of seventy-eight. Eleven of his children are living, and of his lineal lescendants; there are seventy-six grandchildren and seventy-two great-grandchildren, nearly all residing in the vicinity of Carrolltown. Cambria Tribune March 27,1880 ______________________ I'll add my bits from my Nov 20, 2005 reply to John regarding Elizabeth Barth - - My interest in this family is that Jacob Luther of this family testified at the Revolutionary War pension hearings of John Platt. I still haven't found a connection between John Platt, born near and enlisted from Littlestown - that part of York (now Adams) Co Pa and Elizabeth Bard/Bart/Barth, b unknown. There were a few Bardt families baptizing babies in the area with some gaps in the records (like Dec 1769 to Nov 1770) at Christ Church,Littlestown. Joseph Platt, brother of John has some records in this church a few years later (1774 to 1785.) Jane Tripp Jacob Luther's testimony from 1844 contained in John Platt's pension file - - "November 11, 1844: Jacob Luther duly sworn on his oath deposes; that he has known the above named applicant John Platt for at least thirty nine years last past, that during nearly all that time, and long before the year 1832, and ever since, it is the general belief in this county among all acquainted with said Platt, and with whom this affiant is acquainted, and he is acquainted with the whole neighborhood, that the said John Platt served as a soldier in the war of the revolution for the United States against the British. This affiant has entire confidence and belief in the declarations of the said John Platt as to his services as a revolutionary soldier, as he is known to this affiant as a man of good character, veracity and religious conscientiousness, and is esteemed as such by all the neighbors and acquaintenances. In the fall of 1832, this affiant learned from the said John Platt and Henry A. Byrne Esq. (who was then on a visit to his friends in this county, from his residence in Virginia) that an application would be then made for a pension for said John Platt. About that time the said Platt applied to the mother of this affiant to be a witness for him in proving his revolutionary services. She stated that she recollects of his having served as a soldier in the war of the revolution from York county Pa. Her testimony was not then taken; she was aged and unfit to be taken to court or any great distance from home. She is since dead......" __________________ Regards, Jane Tripp, still wondering how Elizabeth *of Hempfield* recollects John Platt from York Co., PA

    05/10/2013 04:09:10
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] Fwd: mcquillan mcquillin mcquillen
    2. marilyn
    3. The only McQuillan I personally knew about was my second grade teacher at the Nagle one room school in Elder Township [about 1947.] The school had first, second and third grade--I was in second grade. She taught in the various schools in the township and probably other local schools. At that time, the School Boards changed the teachers around from school to school each year, which must have been extremely difficult for them in the days before everyone had cars. Most of the school did not have running water, indoor toilets or any heat but a wood or coal stove. Usually the teacher hired an older local boy to take care of opening the school, hauling the water, starting the stove and shoveling the snow. I can't remember Mrs. McQuillan's first name--children don't, do they? It might have been Alma. But later I "heard" her maiden name was Miller and she was from a Miller family in Nicktown. I don't know anything else, except it was spelled McQuillan, with the capital "Q." I do have a picture of her from a 1941 Libby School photo. I recently found an article about "Golden Agers" in the local paper about my first grade teacher, Miss Florence Effinger. At that time the Hastings Schools used the vacant Catholic school, and my family was temporarily living in Hastings while my father remodeled our farm house. By third grade, the Catholic school reopened and I left the one-room school. If the McQuillan family you are searching for was buried in Fairview Cemetery, it means the family was Protestant. Patton had Methodist, Swedish Lutheran [Sunday school in Swedish which they sometimes shared with Hastings], Presbyterian, Episcopal, Baptist, Slovak Catholic, Byzantine Catholic, Orthodox and St. Mary's Catholic Church. I think there were a total of 13, actually. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: elaine wilkinson <jwilkinson3@triad.rr.com> To: Cambria Co. PACAMBRIA <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, May 10, 2013 8:23 am Subject: [PACAMBRI] Fwd: mcquillan mcquillin mcquillen Begin forwarded message: > From: elaine wilkinson <jwilkinson3@triad.rr.com> > Subject: mcquillan mcquillin mcquillen > Date: May 3, 2013 8:18:40 AM EDT > To: PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com > > anyone working on this family? need Sadie's maiden name and death date for Gordon and Thomas. many family members are > buried at Fairview cemetery. Elaine > > 1 James H. McQuillan b: MAR 1855 d: 27 JAN 1927 > + Sarah Sadie b: DEC 1854 d: 16 OCT 1944 > 2 Roy Calvin McQuillan b: 16 OCT 1878 d: 28 AUG 1950 > 2 Lula McQuillan b: MAY 1881 d: 11 SEP 1940 > 2 James E. McQuillan b: 28 OCT 1884 d: 1 MAR 1950 > 2 Fred W. McQuillan b: 1888 d: 1923 > + Fannie Wilkins b: 1890 d: 1973 > 2 Gordon McQuillan b: 1902 d: BEF 1944 > + Margaret Greinader b: 10 DEC 1899 d: 29 JUL 1949 > 3 Mary Louise McQuillan b: 19 SEP 1922 d: 2 FEB 1976 > 3 Imelda A. McQuillan b: 22 MAY 1924 d: 21 APR 2005 > 3 Patricia A. McQuillan b: 13 DEC 1927 > + Durwood Hatch b: 18 NOV 1925 > 2 Rev Thomas McQuillan b: JUL 1895 > Mrs. Sadie E. McQuillen > age 90 born in State College > died 16 Oct 1944 at son Rev Thomas McQuillen > widow of James H. McQuillen died in 1927 > she had lived in Patton for 50 years > children: > Rev McQuillen > Mrs. Ada Reed of Parksdale > Roy Youngstown OH > James K. of Johnstown > - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/10/2013 09:19:37
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] Fwd: mcquillan mcquillin mcquillen
    2. marilyn
    3. The only McQuillan I personally knew about was my second grade teacher at the Nagle one room school in Elder Township [about 1947.] The school had first, second and third grade--I was in second grade. She taught in the various schools in the township and probably other local schools. At that time, the School Boards changed the teachers around from school to school each year, which must have been extremely difficult for them in the days before everyone had cars. Most of the school did not have running water, indoor toilets or any heat but a wood or coal stove. Usually the teacher hired an older local boy to take care of opening the school, hauling the water, starting the stove and shoveling the snow. I can't remember Mrs. McQuillan's first name--children don't, do they? It might have been Alma. But later I "heard" her maiden name was Miller and she was from a Miller family in Nicktown. I don't know anything else, except it was spelled McQuillan, with the capital "Q." I do have a picture of her from a 1941 Libby School photo. I recently found an article about "Golden Agers" in the local paper about my first grade teacher, Miss Florence Effinger. At that time the Hastings Schools used the vacant Catholic school, and my family was temporarily living in Hastings while my father remodeled our farm house. By third grade, the Catholic school reopened and I left the one-room school. If the McQuillan family you are searching for was buried in Fairview Cemetery, it means the family was Protestant. Patton had Methodist, Swedish Lutheran [Sunday school in Swedish which they sometimes shared with Hastings], Presbyterian, Episcopal, Baptist, Slovak Catholic, Byzantine Catholic, Orthodox and St. Mary's Catholic Church. I think there were a total of 13, actually. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: elaine wilkinson <jwilkinson3@triad.rr.com> To: Cambria Co. PACAMBRIA <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, May 10, 2013 8:23 am Subject: [PACAMBRI] Fwd: mcquillan mcquillin mcquillen Begin forwarded message: > From: elaine wilkinson <jwilkinson3@triad.rr.com> > Subject: mcquillan mcquillin mcquillen > Date: May 3, 2013 8:18:40 AM EDT > To: PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com > > anyone working on this family? need Sadie's maiden name and death date for Gordon and Thomas. many family members are > buried at Fairview cemetery. Elaine > > 1 James H. McQuillan b: MAR 1855 d: 27 JAN 1927 > + Sarah Sadie b: DEC 1854 d: 16 OCT 1944 > 2 Roy Calvin McQuillan b: 16 OCT 1878 d: 28 AUG 1950 > 2 Lula McQuillan b: MAY 1881 d: 11 SEP 1940 > 2 James E. McQuillan b: 28 OCT 1884 d: 1 MAR 1950 > 2 Fred W. McQuillan b: 1888 d: 1923 > + Fannie Wilkins b: 1890 d: 1973 > 2 Gordon McQuillan b: 1902 d: BEF 1944 > + Margaret Greinader b: 10 DEC 1899 d: 29 JUL 1949 > 3 Mary Louise McQuillan b: 19 SEP 1922 d: 2 FEB 1976 > 3 Imelda A. McQuillan b: 22 MAY 1924 d: 21 APR 2005 > 3 Patricia A. McQuillan b: 13 DEC 1927 > + Durwood Hatch b: 18 NOV 1925 > 2 Rev Thomas McQuillan b: JUL 1895 > Mrs. Sadie E. McQuillen > age 90 born in State College > died 16 Oct 1944 at son Rev Thomas McQuillen > widow of James H. McQuillen died in 1927 > she had lived in Patton for 50 years > children: > Rev McQuillen > Mrs. Ada Reed of Parksdale > Roy Youngstown OH > James K. of Johnstown > - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/10/2013 09:19:34
    1. [PACAMBRI] Peter Campbell's Patent from Historical Highlights of Carrolltown: from the Newspaper files by Thomas Owens
    2. marilyn
    3. Most of the articles in this collection are reprints from the local Carrolltown Newspapers Many are dated, others are not. The name of the paper sometimes changes. Northern Cambria News, November 1, 1979 ODDS, ENDS, 1879 ADVERTISING Local Invention "Peter Campbell's Patent Wrench and Nut Lock. Patented August 27, 1878. The attention of all persons interested in the use of buggies, wagons, agricultural implements of all kinds, and also of railroad companies, owners of machine shops, and , in short, all persons having in use any implement, machine or anything else in which the construction of where bolts of any size are used, in called to this new and valuable invention. It is an article that has long been demanded and called for and nee only be seen to be understood and appreciated. Its use is to lock, or fasten, nuts and bar on bolts to prevent their loss from jolting, etc. As, for instance, from buggy shafts, agricultural implements, and a hundred other such like annoyances that are taking place every day. It will save time and risk of life to the farmer, the mechanic and the workingman generally and saves property by securing nuts and bolts to their places and preventing them from being jarred off unexpectedly and in no way injures the bolt or thread. Liberal inducement to persons of small capital by which they can purchase agency territory and save money. It is a tool that must come into general use. Everybody needs it. Agents wanted. Address Peter Campbell, Carrolltown, Pa." Marilyn Kline Washington

    05/10/2013 07:54:27
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] Peter Campbell's Patent from Historical Highlights of Carrolltown: from the Newspaper files by Thomas Owens
    2. Thank you, Marilyn. This is my Peter Campbell, the brother of my great-grandfather, Henry J. Campbell. They were sons of John Campbell and Susan Myers. Beth -------Original Message------- From: marilyn Date: 5/10/2013 10:56:20 AM To: pacambri@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACAMBRI] Peter Campbell's Patent from Historical Highlights of Carrolltown: from the Newspaper files by Thomas Owens Most of the articles in this collection are reprints from the local Carrolltown Newspapers Many are dated, others are not. The name of the paper sometimes changes. Northern Cambria News, November 1, 1979 ODDS, ENDS, 1879 ADVERTISING Local Invention "Peter Campbell's Patent Wrench and Nut Lock. Patented August 27, 1878 The attention of all persons interested in the use of buggies, wagons, agricultural implements of all kinds, and also of railroad companies, owners of machine shops, and , in short, all persons having in use any implement, machine or anything else in which the construction of where bolts of any size are used, in called to this new and valuable invention. It is an article that has long been demanded and called for and nee only be seen to be understood and appreciated. Its use is to lock, or fasten, nuts and bar on bolts to prevent their loss from jolting, etc. As, for instance, from buggy shafts, agricultural implements, and a hundred other such like annoyances that are taking place every day. It will save time and risk of life to the farmer, the mechanic and the workingman generally and saves property by securing nuts and bolts to their places and preventing them from being jarred off unexpectedly and in no way injures the bolt or thread. Liberal inducement to persons of small capital by which they can purchase agency territory and save money. It is a tool that must come into general use. Everybody needs it. Agents wanted. Address Peter Campbell, Carrolltown, Pa." Marilyn Kline Washington - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/10/2013 05:09:08
    1. [PACAMBRI] Fwd: mcquillan mcquillin mcquillen
    2. elaine wilkinson
    3. Begin forwarded message: > From: elaine wilkinson <jwilkinson3@triad.rr.com> > Subject: mcquillan mcquillin mcquillen > Date: May 3, 2013 8:18:40 AM EDT > To: PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com > > anyone working on this family? need Sadie's maiden name and death date for Gordon and Thomas. many family members are > buried at Fairview cemetery. Elaine > > 1 James H. McQuillan b: MAR 1855 d: 27 JAN 1927 > + Sarah Sadie b: DEC 1854 d: 16 OCT 1944 > 2 Roy Calvin McQuillan b: 16 OCT 1878 d: 28 AUG 1950 > 2 Lula McQuillan b: MAY 1881 d: 11 SEP 1940 > 2 James E. McQuillan b: 28 OCT 1884 d: 1 MAR 1950 > 2 Fred W. McQuillan b: 1888 d: 1923 > + Fannie Wilkins b: 1890 d: 1973 > 2 Gordon McQuillan b: 1902 d: BEF 1944 > + Margaret Greinader b: 10 DEC 1899 d: 29 JUL 1949 > 3 Mary Louise McQuillan b: 19 SEP 1922 d: 2 FEB 1976 > 3 Imelda A. McQuillan b: 22 MAY 1924 d: 21 APR 2005 > 3 Patricia A. McQuillan b: 13 DEC 1927 > + Durwood Hatch b: 18 NOV 1925 > 2 Rev Thomas McQuillan b: JUL 1895 > Mrs. Sadie E. McQuillen > age 90 born in State College > died 16 Oct 1944 at son Rev Thomas McQuillen > widow of James H. McQuillen died in 1927 > she had lived in Patton for 50 years > children: > Rev McQuillen > Mrs. Ada Reed of Parksdale > Roy Youngstown OH > James K. of Johnstown >

    05/10/2013 02:20:24
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] Luther Questions
    2. Pennsylvania Church Records - Adams, Berks, and Lancaster Counties, 1729-1881 Name: Conrad Luther Date: 10 Dec 1789 Event: Marriage Relation: Groom LOCATION: Lancaster CO., PA Remark: Elizabeth Barth, of Hempfield. Church: First Reformed Congregation at Lancaster, PA Record_ID: 308799 -------Original Message------- From: marilyn Date: 5/5/2013 4:57:12 PM To: joyecho@aol.com; pacambri@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Luther Questions Can anyone help with these answers? Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: joyecho <joyecho@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 3:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Luther Questions -----Original Message----- From: joyecho <joyecho@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:44 pm Subject: Fwd: Luther Questions Hi, Marilyn! I've been puzzling over some Luther genealogy questions for quite some time and thought that I'd get your two cents. I am not an authority on the Luther family. I did do some research for some of the Luther's from Susquehanna Township near the now defunct coal mining area of Cymbria, who married into the Weaklands. I believe that Charles Weakland who lived to his late 90's, was baptized by Fr. Gallitzin in this Luther household--pre St Joseph's at Hart's Sleeping Place. I will post these comments so you can get more information. 1. The Carrolltown Death Records show John Luther (1800-1862) as the son of George Luther and Elizabeth Little. His baptismal record in Ledoux shows him as the son of Conrad and Elizabeth as I have always believed. Any idea why there is a discrepancy? Who are George and Elizabeth? I am not sure who George and Elizabeth are or who Conrad's wife was--I think the two stories of the Hessian soldier meeting the girl who saved him are mixed up. I am sure I have read the girl who saved the soldier was named "Smith." The American Revolution was from app 1776 to 1801 [depending on how it is calculated] and the War of 1812 was basically a continuation the same world that began after the French Revolution and Napoleon which extended from 1789 to 1815, when the Treaty of Vienna settled things. These wars effectively stopped emigration because the English Navy controlled the oceans. Also, many of the "Hessians" came from other German States [notably Brunswick], but the mercenaries became known generically as "Hessians." Each soldier "cost" so much to England, and there were fees and fines from the British for each dead, wounded, prisoner, and/or deserter soldier. This is why they tried to find the deserters. 2. Did you ever see anything that suggested that Conrad Luther was born in Russia instead of Thuringia? The Federal Mortality Schedule for 1880 for our Chrysostom (Christian) Luther reports that his father was born in Rushia Several things here. After the Third Partition of Poland, there were three separate parts of Poland--Russian Poland [East and Lithuania], Prussian or German Poland [to the West] and Galacia to the [South Central part of the Austrian Hungarian Empire.] You will see this in the emigration files and it is the reason the Census started asking which language the emigrants spoke in an attempt to establish the geographical location. Second, I have seen the handwriting of the letter "P" and "R" looking alike--Prussia may be taken for Russia and vice versa. Third, Prussia kept expanding and areas that were formerly something else became Prussia. A good example that applies locally is the southern Germany area of Hohlenzolern Sigmarigan which became part of Prussia after the 1848 Revolution. When the area changed allegiance to Prussia, it also had to change religions from Catholic to Protestant, and this encouraged emigration of those who wished to remain Catholic. Carrolltown had a Hohlensolern Hotel. 3 . Who was the Chrysostom (Christian) Luther who lived, married and died in Cocalico, Lancaster? Could he have been a relative of Conrad's? Ancestry family trees show his family origin as Alsace so it seems unlikely but he clearly lived in the same part of PA as Conrad did. The borders and national alliance of Alsace Lorraine changed perhaps more frequently than any other area of Europe. During the Napoleonic Wars 1794 to 1814, all of the West Bank of the Rhine was incorporated into France. Previously much of it had belonged to German Princes who were part of the Holy Roman Empire [dissolved by Napoleon app 1804.] 4. Do you have any idea about Elizabeth Barth's or Rebecca Smith's origins? All I know is that both were from the Lancaster area and converted to Catholicism. These are the two stories I have confused. By the way, our American Luther's are definitely not direct descendants of Martin Luther. The key word is "direct." In the past, the descendents of collateral [brothers and sisters] relatives were incorrectly mixed up with direct descendants. I have since "lost" the family tree a Luther researcher from Philadelphia sent me, but he had the Cambria County Luther's descended from an uncle of Martin Luther. This could certainly be possible--I had no way to document the family tree. It is not possible that the local Luthers are direct descendants, as the direct descendants of Martin Luther are all very well documented. I hope that life is good for you. I continue to have so much fun with ancestry dna! My 93 year old Mom checks her matches on her IPad every day. Are you the person who wanted the info about Dr. Fees? Thanks so much! Blanche McGuire - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    05/09/2013 06:29:56
    1. [PACAMBRI] Theodora Ebig
    2. marilyn
    3. Hi, I found a reference to Theodora Ebig in Fr. Ledoux's book. The books are indexed, but they do not index the names of the witnesses at a marriage or the godparents at a baptism or the names of the parents of a child at a baptism. I have spent a lot of time just reading through the books to find names that are not indexed. #5071, STOLTZ, Joannes Georgis [Petri/Barbarae Trenkle] b. 03 - 20 bp. 04 - 22 - 1855 gp. Georg Trenkl/ Theodora Ibich PCL. pages 224 - 225. St. Benedict's Church, Carrolltown. Sorry, I photocopied the pages and didn't mark the Volume, but I think it is Vol III by the dates. I am assuming that this child was the son of Peter Stoltz and his wife Barbara Trenkel/Trinkley. She was the half-sister of godfather [John] George Trinkle/Trinkley and half-sister of Theodora Ibig/Ibich/Ebig. The child was named for the god-father. Theodora is mentioned previously in the 1850 Census and this 1855 mention as god-mother is the last mention I have found. I would very much like to know what happened to Theodora. The Drenkel/Trinklsy grandparents/parents were Bernard Drenkle/Trinkley and Genevieve Schwand. After Bernhard died, Genevieve or Eva married Roman Ibig/Ebig. Roman and Genevieve [Schwand] Ebig emigrated from Baden to Allegheny Twp and appear in the 1850 Census with children Theodora, Peter, Paulina/Polly and Sophia Ebig. They also brought Bernard and Geneviva's children, Mary, Barbara, Agnes and John George Drenkel. The name became Trinkley. John George and family moved to Kansas, so there are no Trinkley descendents [related to the Ebigs] left in Cambria County. Sophia Ebig married my g-grandfather, Charles Feighner, and they lived on Old Dutch Road in the farm they purchased from John George Trinkley, which may have also belonged to some of the other siblings. Marilyn Kline Washington

    05/09/2013 01:08:48
    1. [PACAMBRI] Cline spelled with a "C" Wm. D. Cline
    2. marilyn
    3. Union Press Courier Patton, PA September 14, 1972 WM. D. CLINE, 77, PATTON, BURIED MONDAY William D. Cline, 77, 509 Terra Cotta Ave., Patton, died at 10:05 a.m. Sept. 8, 1972, in Miners Hospital, Spangler [now located in Hastings], after an extended illness. Born Nov. 9, 1894, in Chambersburg, son of late William Cline and late Lillie (Cline) Rowe. Survived by his widow, the former Rosa Barnhill, at home; Half-brother, Harry Rowe, York; and Half-sister, Mrs. John Margaret Johns, Fayetteville, Franklin County. He was employed as a coal miner in Saxton for many years. Funeral services were held on Monday at Hoenstine Funeral Home, Lewistown, by the Rev. Brian A. Fetterman. Interment followed in the Lind Memorial Gardens, Lewistown. Note: I was asked about a Cline family, spelled with a "C" from Patton. I don't know if this helps. Marilyn Kline Washington

    05/09/2013 12:28:10
    1. [PACAMBRI] Cline spelled with a "C" Wm. D. Cline
    2. marilyn
    3. Union Press Courier Patton, PA September 14, 1972 WM. D. CLINE, 77, PATTON, BURIED MONDAY William D. Cline, 77, 509 Terra Cotta Ave., Patton, died at 10:05 a.m. Sept. 8, 1972, in Miners Hospital, Spangler [now located in Hastings], after an extended illness. Born Nov. 9, 1894, in Chambersburg, son of late William Cline and late Lillie (Cline) Rowe. Survived by his widow, the former Rosa Barnhill, at home; Half-brother, Harry Rowe, York; and Half-sister, Mrs. John Margaret Johns, Fayetteville, Franklin County. He was employed as a coal miner in Saxton for many years. Funeral services were held on Monday at Hoenstine Funeral Home, Lewistown, by the Rev. Brian A. Fetterman. Interment followed in the Lind Memorial Gardens, Lewistown. Note: I was asked about a Cline family, spelled with a "C" from Patton. I don't know if this helps. Marilyn Kline Washington

    05/09/2013 12:28:08
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] Luther Questions
    2. marilyn
    3. Can anyone help with these answers? Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: joyecho <joyecho@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 3:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Luther Questions -----Original Message----- From: joyecho <joyecho@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:44 pm Subject: Fwd: Luther Questions Hi, Marilyn! I've been puzzling over some Luther genealogy questions for quite some time and thought that I'd get your two cents. I am not an authority on the Luther family. I did do some research for some of the Luther's from Susquehanna Township near the now defunct coal mining area of Cymbria, who married into the Weaklands. I believe that Charles Weakland who lived to his late 90's, was baptized by Fr. Gallitzin in this Luther household--pre St Joseph's at Hart's Sleeping Place. I will post these comments so you can get more information. 1. The Carrolltown Death Records show John Luther (1800-1862) as the son of George Luther and Elizabeth Little. His baptismal record in Ledoux shows him as the son of Conrad and Elizabeth as I have always believed. Any idea why there is a discrepancy? Who are George and Elizabeth? I am not sure who George and Elizabeth are or who Conrad's wife was--I think the two stories of the Hessian soldier meeting the girl who saved him are mixed up. I am sure I have read the girl who saved the soldier was named "Smith." The American Revolution was from app 1776 to 1801 [depending on how it is calculated] and the War of 1812 was basically a continuation the same world that began after the French Revolution and Napoleon which extended from 1789 to 1815, when the Treaty of Vienna settled things. These wars effectively stopped emigration because the English Navy controlled the oceans. Also, many of the "Hessians" came from other German States [notably Brunswick], but the mercenaries became known generically as "Hessians." Each soldier "cost" so much to England, and there were fees and fines from the British for each dead, wounded, prisoner, and/or deserter soldier. This is why they tried to find the deserters. 2. Did you ever see anything that suggested that Conrad Luther was born in Russia instead of Thuringia? The Federal Mortality Schedule for 1880 for our Chrysostom (Christian) Luther reports that his father was born in Rushia. Several things here. After the Third Partition of Poland, there were three separate parts of Poland--Russian Poland [East and Lithuania], Prussian or German Poland [to the West] and Galacia to the [South Central,part of the Austrian Hungarian Empire.] You will see this in the emigration files and it is the reason the Census started asking which language the emigrants spoke in an attempt to establish the geographical location. Second, I have seen the handwriting of the letter "P" and "R" looking alike--Prussia may be taken for Russia and vice versa. Third, Prussia kept expanding and areas that were formerly something else became Prussia. A good example that applies locally is the southern Germany area of Hohlenzolern Sigmarigan which became part of Prussia after the 1848 Revolution. When the area changed allegiance to Prussia, it also had to change religions from Catholic to Protestant, and this encouraged emigration of those who wished to remain Catholic. Carrolltown had a Hohlensolern Hotel. 3 . Who was the Chrysostom (Christian) Luther who lived, married and died in Cocalico, Lancaster? Could he have been a relative of Conrad's? Ancestry family trees show his family origin as Alsace so it seems unlikely but he clearly lived in the same part of PA as Conrad did. The borders and national alliance of Alsace Lorraine changed perhaps more frequently than any other area of Europe. During the Napoleonic Wars 1794 to 1814, all of the West Bank of the Rhine was incorporated into France. Previously much of it had belonged to German Princes who were part of the Holy Roman Empire [dissolved by Napoleon app 1804.] 4. Do you have any idea about Elizabeth Barth's or Rebecca Smith's origins? All I know is that both were from the Lancaster area and converted to Catholicism. These are the two stories I have confused. By the way, our American Luther's are definitely not direct descendants of Martin Luther. The key word is "direct." In the past, the descendents of collateral [brothers and sisters] relatives were incorrectly mixed up with direct descendants. I have since "lost" the family tree a Luther researcher from Philadelphia sent me, but he had the Cambria County Luther's descended from an uncle of Martin Luther. This could certainly be possible--I had no way to document the family tree. It is not possible that the local Luthers are direct descendants, as the direct descendants of Martin Luther are all very well documented. I hope that life is good for you. I continue to have so much fun with ancestry dna! My 93 year old Mom checks her matches on her IPad every day. Are you the person who wanted the info about Dr. Fees? Thanks so much! Blanche McGuire

    05/05/2013 01:54:54
    1. Re: [PACAMBRI] Luther Questions
    2. marilyn
    3. Can anyone help with these answers? Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: joyecho <joyecho@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 3:29 pm Subject: Fwd: Luther Questions -----Original Message----- From: joyecho <joyecho@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 12:44 pm Subject: Fwd: Luther Questions Hi, Marilyn! I've been puzzling over some Luther genealogy questions for quite some time and thought that I'd get your two cents. I am not an authority on the Luther family. I did do some research for some of the Luther's from Susquehanna Township near the now defunct coal mining area of Cymbria, who married into the Weaklands. I believe that Charles Weakland who lived to his late 90's, was baptized by Fr. Gallitzin in this Luther household--pre St Joseph's at Hart's Sleeping Place. I will post these comments so you can get more information. 1. The Carrolltown Death Records show John Luther (1800-1862) as the son of George Luther and Elizabeth Little. His baptismal record in Ledoux shows him as the son of Conrad and Elizabeth as I have always believed. Any idea why there is a discrepancy? Who are George and Elizabeth? I am not sure who George and Elizabeth are or who Conrad's wife was--I think the two stories of the Hessian soldier meeting the girl who saved him are mixed up. I am sure I have read the girl who saved the soldier was named "Smith." The American Revolution was from app 1776 to 1801 [depending on how it is calculated] and the War of 1812 was basically a continuation the same world that began after the French Revolution and Napoleon which extended from 1789 to 1815, when the Treaty of Vienna settled things. These wars effectively stopped emigration because the English Navy controlled the oceans. Also, many of the "Hessians" came from other German States [notably Brunswick], but the mercenaries became known generically as "Hessians." Each soldier "cost" so much to England, and there were fees and fines from the British for each dead, wounded, prisoner, and/or deserter soldier. This is why they tried to find the deserters. 2. Did you ever see anything that suggested that Conrad Luther was born in Russia instead of Thuringia? The Federal Mortality Schedule for 1880 for our Chrysostom (Christian) Luther reports that his father was born in Rushia. Several things here. After the Third Partition of Poland, there were three separate parts of Poland--Russian Poland [East and Lithuania], Prussian or German Poland [to the West] and Galacia to the [South Central,part of the Austrian Hungarian Empire.] You will see this in the emigration files and it is the reason the Census started asking which language the emigrants spoke in an attempt to establish the geographical location. Second, I have seen the handwriting of the letter "P" and "R" looking alike--Prussia may be taken for Russia and vice versa. Third, Prussia kept expanding and areas that were formerly something else became Prussia. A good example that applies locally is the southern Germany area of Hohlenzolern Sigmarigan which became part of Prussia after the 1848 Revolution. When the area changed allegiance to Prussia, it also had to change religions from Catholic to Protestant, and this encouraged emigration of those who wished to remain Catholic. Carrolltown had a Hohlensolern Hotel. 3 . Who was the Chrysostom (Christian) Luther who lived, married and died in Cocalico, Lancaster? Could he have been a relative of Conrad's? Ancestry family trees show his family origin as Alsace so it seems unlikely but he clearly lived in the same part of PA as Conrad did. The borders and national alliance of Alsace Lorraine changed perhaps more frequently than any other area of Europe. During the Napoleonic Wars 1794 to 1814, all of the West Bank of the Rhine was incorporated into France. Previously much of it had belonged to German Princes who were part of the Holy Roman Empire [dissolved by Napoleon app 1804.] 4. Do you have any idea about Elizabeth Barth's or Rebecca Smith's origins? All I know is that both were from the Lancaster area and converted to Catholicism. These are the two stories I have confused. By the way, our American Luther's are definitely not direct descendants of Martin Luther. The key word is "direct." In the past, the descendents of collateral [brothers and sisters] relatives were incorrectly mixed up with direct descendants. I have since "lost" the family tree a Luther researcher from Philadelphia sent me, but he had the Cambria County Luther's descended from an uncle of Martin Luther. This could certainly be possible--I had no way to document the family tree. It is not possible that the local Luthers are direct descendants, as the direct descendants of Martin Luther are all very well documented. I hope that life is good for you. I continue to have so much fun with ancestry dna! My 93 year old Mom checks her matches on her IPad every day. Are you the person who wanted the info about Dr. Fees? Thanks so much! Blanche McGuire

    05/05/2013 01:54:47