Has anyone figured out who William Kruise's parents are m. to Viola Weakland?

The town of Saint Boniface, Cambria Co., PA. First of all Wikipedia does not seem to list it. Has anyone submitted anything to them? Also I have it listed as being in Elder Township. Do they have a centennial book or some thing similar? The zip is 16675. Does it have a history someplace listed? jim James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855 jtr@atlanticbb.net Better We Should Err In Action Than Wholly Refuse To Perform Fixing is often done by listening. See with your ears and hear with your eyes, heal with your heart and empathy. Blind people do it.

For those who may not know, Embry Weakland is actually Andrew Ambrose 'Embry Weakland and wife is Mary Christina Thomas. Beth -------Original Message------- From: Jack O'Connor Date: 8/3/2013 4:03:58 PM To: PfeisterJP@aol.com; marilynkwash@aol.com; joraley@verizon.net; PA List Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise Ask and ye shall receive!! Thanks John Jack From: PfeisterJP@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 18:35:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise To: seanroconnor@hotmail.com; marilynkwash@aol.com; joraley@verizon.net; pacambri@rootsweb.com Obituary of Shirley Agnes (Kruise) Kutruff Shirley A. Kutruff, 83, Patton, died Sunday. She was born in Hastings, daughter of William and Viola (Weakland) Kruise. Surviving are her husband, Richard; three children: James E. Sr. and Joyce Ann Ropp, both of St. Lawrence, and Judy Troy of Elmora; and six grandchildren. She was preceded in death by a son, Jerome, and she was the last member of her immediate family. Friends will be received from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. today at Gibbons Funeral Home, Ashville. A funeral Mass will be held at 11 a.m. Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2012, at Queen of Peace Catholic Church, Patton, by Benedictine Fathers. (Altoona Mirror, Feb 7, 2012) John Pfeister In a message dated 8/3/2013 4:51:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seanroconnor@hotmail.com writes: Does anyone have more on Mr. & Mrs. Richard [Shirley] Kutruff? Jack > To: joraley@verizon.net; pacambri@rootsweb.com > From: marilynkwash@aol.com > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:43:33 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise > > > Union Press Courier > Nov 3, 1960 > > Viola Kruise of Patton RD died at age 55 last Thursday at the Spangler Hospital. > She was born in St. Boniface Aug 5, 1905, the daughter of Embry and Mary [Thomas] Weakland. > She married William Kruise and they had one child, Mrs. Richard [Shrirley] Kutruff of Flinton. > Funeral mass and burial at St. Lawrence. > > You asked about this at one point. I am pretty sure his parents were Martha Endler and Lawrence Kruise. > > Her brother married his sister, but I can't remember the names. > > Marilyn Kline Washington > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ask and ye shall receive!! Thanks John Jack From: PfeisterJP@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 18:35:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise To: seanroconnor@hotmail.com; marilynkwash@aol.com; joraley@verizon.net; pacambri@rootsweb.com Obituary of Shirley Agnes (Kruise) Kutruff Shirley A. Kutruff, 83, Patton, died Sunday. She was born in Hastings, daughter of William and Viola (Weakland) Kruise. Surviving are her husband, Richard; three children: James E. Sr. and Joyce Ann Ropp, both of St. Lawrence, and Judy Troy of Elmora; and six grandchildren. She was preceded in death by a son, Jerome, and she was the last member of her immediate family. Friends will be received from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. today at Gibbons Funeral Home, Ashville. A funeral Mass will be held at 11 a.m. Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2012, at Queen of Peace Catholic Church, Patton, by Benedictine Fathers. (Altoona Mirror, Feb 7, 2012) John Pfeister In a message dated 8/3/2013 4:51:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seanroconnor@hotmail.com writes: Does anyone have more on Mr. & Mrs. Richard [Shirley] Kutruff? Jack > To: joraley@verizon.net; pacambri@rootsweb.com > From: marilynkwash@aol.com > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:43:33 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise > > > Union Press Courier > Nov 3, 1960 > > Viola Kruise of Patton RD died at age 55 last Thursday at the Spangler Hospital. > She was born in St. Boniface Aug 5, 1905, the daughter of Embry and Mary [Thomas] Weakland. > She married William Kruise and they had one child, Mrs. Richard [Shrirley] Kutruff of Flinton. > Funeral mass and burial at St. Lawrence. > > You asked about this at one point. I am pretty sure his parents were Martha Endler and Lawrence Kruise. > > Her brother married his sister, but I can't remember the names. > > Marilyn Kline Washington > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Obituary of Shirley Agnes (Kruise) Kutruff Shirley A. Kutruff, 83, Patton, died Sunday. She was born in Hastings, daughter of William and Viola (Weakland) Kruise. Surviving are her husband, Richard; three children: James E. Sr. and Joyce Ann Ropp, both of St. Lawrence, and Judy Troy of Elmora; and six grandchildren. She was preceded in death by a son, Jerome, and she was the last member of her immediate family. Friends will be received from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. today at Gibbons Funeral Home, Ashville. A funeral Mass will be held at 11 a.m. Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2012, at Queen of Peace Catholic Church, Patton, by Benedictine Fathers. (Altoona Mirror, Feb 7, 2012) John Pfeister In a message dated 8/3/2013 4:51:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seanroconnor@hotmail.com writes: Does anyone have more on Mr. & Mrs. Richard [Shirley] Kutruff? Jack > To: joraley@verizon.net; pacambri@rootsweb.com > From: marilynkwash@aol.com > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:43:33 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise > > > Union Press Courier > Nov 3, 1960 > > Viola Kruise of Patton RD died at age 55 last Thursday at the Spangler Hospital. > She was born in St. Boniface Aug 5, 1905, the daughter of Embry and Mary [Thomas] Weakland. > She married William Kruise and they had one child, Mrs. Richard [Shrirley] Kutruff of Flinton. > Funeral mass and burial at St. Lawrence. > > You asked about this at one point. I am pretty sure his parents were Martha Endler and Lawrence Kruise. > > Her brother married his sister, but I can't remember the names. > > Marilyn Kline Washington > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All are found at Find-A-Grave. Queen of Peace mentioned in Kutroff's obit is listed at Find-A-Grave as *St. Mary's Cemetery* in Patton. You can start with Shirley Kruise Kutruff (includes her obit) buried Cambria County or her parents William & Viola (Weakland) Kruise buried Cambria County. All are linked. Joan of VA recorded this family and Diane Kline Dumm took the photo at St. Lawrence. Can never thanks these folks enough for the work they do recording these burials. John Pfeister - Spot on. William is in the household of John & Josephine (Kline) Kruise in census records. Shirley Agnes is in the 1940 with her parents William & Viola. Regards, Jane Tripp ______________________ From: Jack O'Connor To: PfeisterJP@aol.com ; marilynkwash@aol.com ; joraley@verizon.net ; PA List Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise Ask and ye shall receive!! Thanks John Jack __________________________ From: PfeisterJP@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 18:35:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise Obituary of Shirley Agnes (Kruise) Kutruff Shirley A. Kutruff, 83, Patton, died Sunday. She was born in Hastings, daughter of William and Viola (Weakland) Kruise. Surviving are her husband, Richard; three children: James E. Sr. and Joyce Ann Ropp, both of St. Lawrence, and Judy Troy of Elmora; and six grandchildren. She was preceded in death by a son, Jerome, and she was the last member of her immediate family. Friends will be received from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. today at Gibbons Funeral Home, Ashville. A funeral Mass will be held at 11 a.m. Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2012, at Queen of Peace Catholic Church, Patton, by Benedictine Fathers. (Altoona Mirror, Feb 7, 2012) ______ Marilyn, I sure am not the expert on this family, but I have the parents of William Kruise as John Kruise and Josephine Kline. John Pfeister ______________________ In a message dated 8/3/2013 4:51:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seanroconnor@hotmail.com writes: Does anyone have more on Mr. & Mrs. Richard [Shirley] Kutruff? Jack ______________________ Original Message From: marilynkwash@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:43:33 -0400 Subject: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise Union Press Courier Nov 3, 1960 Viola Kruise of Patton RD died at age 55 last Thursday at the Spangler Hospital. She was born in St. Boniface Aug 5, 1905, the daughter of Embry and Mary [Thomas] Weakland. She married William Kruise and they had one child, Mrs. Richard [Shrirley] Kutruff of Flinton. Funeral mass and burial at St. Lawrence. You asked about this at one point. I am pretty sure his parents were Martha Endler and Lawrence Kruise. Her brother married his sister, but I can't remember the names. Marilyn Kline Washington

Marilyn, I sure am not the expert on this family, but I have the parents of William Kruise as John Kruise and Josephine Kline. John Pfeister In a message dated 8/3/2013 3:46:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, marilynkwash@aol.com writes: Union Press Courier Nov 3, 1960 Viola Kruise of Patton RD died at age 55 last Thursday at the Spangler Hospital. She was born in St. Boniface Aug 5, 1905, the daughter of Embry and Mary [Thomas] Weakland. She married William Kruise and they had one child, Mrs. Richard [Shrirley] Kutruff of Flinton. Funeral mass and burial at St. Lawrence. You asked about this at one point. I am pretty sure his parents were Martha Endler and Lawrence Kruise. Her brother married his sister, but I can't remember the names. Marilyn Kline Washington - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have more on Mr. & Mrs. Richard [Shirley] Kutruff? Jack > To: joraley@verizon.net; pacambri@rootsweb.com > From: marilynkwash@aol.com > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:43:33 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Viola Weakland and William Kruise > > > Union Press Courier > Nov 3, 1960 > > Viola Kruise of Patton RD died at age 55 last Thursday at the Spangler Hospital. > She was born in St. Boniface Aug 5, 1905, the daughter of Embry and Mary [Thomas] Weakland. > She married William Kruise and they had one child, Mrs. Richard [Shrirley] Kutruff of Flinton. > Funeral mass and burial at St. Lawrence. > > You asked about this at one point. I am pretty sure his parents were Martha Endler and Lawrence Kruise. > > Her brother married his sister, but I can't remember the names. > > Marilyn Kline Washington > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Union Press Courier Nov 3, 1960 Viola Kruise of Patton RD died at age 55 last Thursday at the Spangler Hospital. She was born in St. Boniface Aug 5, 1905, the daughter of Embry and Mary [Thomas] Weakland. She married William Kruise and they had one child, Mrs. Richard [Shrirley] Kutruff of Flinton. Funeral mass and burial at St. Lawrence. You asked about this at one point. I am pretty sure his parents were Martha Endler and Lawrence Kruise. Her brother married his sister, but I can't remember the names. Marilyn Kline Washington

In case anyone missed this one: Charles C. Natcher January 21, 1930 - July 31, 2013 NATCHER, CHARLES C., “Charlie”, 83, Ebensburg, passed away July 31, 2013, at Memorial Medical Center, Johnstown, surrounded by family and friends. Born January 21, 1930, in Barr Twp., the son of Henry and Marie (Shilling) Natcher. Preceded in death by parents and son Joseph. Survived by children, John Natcher (Cheryl Groove), Ebensburg; Henry Natcher (Barb Griffith), Blairsville; Marlene, wife of Randy Lauer, Ebensburg and Charlene Natcher, Harrisburg; grandchildren, Joseph, Laura, Bonnie, Angie and Monica Natcher, Thomas Lauer and Shaun Henson. Brother of Helen (Thomas) Morris, Ebensburg; Olean (Lloyd) Bishop, Northern Cambria; Verla (Marinus) Nelen, Tripoli; Betty (Robert) Wasser, Strongstown; Jean (Ron) Bopp, Marie (Don) Williams and Dorothy (Charles) Arotin, all of Ebensburg. Also survived by numerous nieces and nephews. Retired from C&I Railroad. Member of St. Nicholas Catholic Church. He enjoyed farming and repairing cars for friends and family. He enjoyed spending time with his special pet “Queenie”, watching wrestling with close friends and playing the lottery. He greatly appreciated the excellent care he received from the staff of DCI Dialysis of Hastings. Friends will be received from 4:00 - 8:00 p.m. Friday at Moriconi Funeral Home, Inc., Northern Cambria. Funeral Mass will be celebrated at 12:00 noon Saturday at St. Nicholas Catholic Church. Fr. Michael Gabler, OSB. Committal, St. Nicholas Cemetery. Visitation Friends will be received from 4:00 - 8:00 p.m. Friday at Moriconi Funeral Home, Inc., Northern Cambria. Services Funeral Mass will be celebrated at 12:00 noon Saturday at St. Nicholas Catholic Church. Interment Committal, St. Nicholas Cemetery. James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855 jtr@atlanticbb.net

Hello Folks: You're Invited to... The 79th Annual RICHARDSON & MILLER Family Reunion Sunday, August 25, 2013 at Donna & Marvin Zinn's 248 Whiskey Run Rd., Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. 17241 Eating at 1:00 p.m. [Photo of 1st Reunion] This photo is to be of the "first" RICHARDSON-MILLER "get-together" held at Martha Richardson Kennedy's home at Willow Run, Juniata Co., PA. The photo was taken by Maurice Beale in 1923 - but first reunion minutes weren't taken until 1934. back row L-R: Reynolds Kennedy, Russell E. Rowles, Cal Rowles, Harry Stong, Sam Rhine, Bob Love, Banks Kennedy, Elsie Drolsbaugh Kennedy. middle row L-R: Martha Richardson Kennedy, Pearl Stong, Ivy Stong, Vera Rhine, William A. Fulton, Edward E. Fulton, George E. Fulton. front row L-R: _____ Rhine, Rex Stong, _____ Rhine, Zelda Stong, Jeannetta Taylor Fulton, Nettie Kennedy Rhine, Laura Kennedy Beale, _____ Rhine The reunion will be providing baked ham.which Betty Brownawell will be cooking and fried chicken. Drinks, cups and place settings will also be provided. Each person / family attending should bring a covered dish - or two - to share, a tablecloth, lawn chairs and wrapped items for our Annual Dirty Bingo and White Elephant Auction.and bathing suits and towels if you'd like to get in the pool! Officers for the 2013 Reunion: President - Paulette Killinger Barclay Vice-President - Bobby Baker Secretary/Treasurer/Historian - Donna Heller Zinn Guessing Games - Kristie Swartz **Please note that there will be no games specifically for the youngsters, if they want to play Dirty Bingo they must bring wrapped items. This family "originated" in the western end of Juniata County, PA when Joseph Richardson (1826-1881), son of Elias and Agnes Horn Richardson married Catherine Miller (1831-1879), daughter of David and Mary Jane Reigle Miller. Joe and Catherine had 8 children and lived in the Peru Lack area. The family multiplied and spread all over Pennsylvania and several other states... even as far as Iowa and beyond! Donna Heller Zinn djzinn@pa.net

Hello Researchers, Here are the latest updates to the Cambria Schools Pages (including the nearby Somerset County schools of Conemaugh Township and Windber). http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacambr2/ Please let me know of any mistakes you may find and I Will try to make the corrections as quickly as possible You can contact me with any comments or suggestions at: Camcopa@comcast.net HS YEARBOOKS & SENIOR PICTURES: * = Somerset Co. Schools Blacklick Valley HS yearbook - 2004 Cambria Heights yearbook - 2003 Conemaugh Valley HS yearbook - 1968 Gallitzin HS yearbook - 1926 Hastings HS Class of 1954 Johnstown Catholic HS yearbook 1930 Mt. Aloysius Academy HS Yearbook - 1961 Portage HS Yearbook - 1964 Spangler HS Class of 1924 * Windber HS yearbook - 1932 HIGH SCHOOL REUNIONS: Forest Hills HS Class of 1967 - 1997 Reunion When using the search engine to find someone, try with just the surname. For additional search engine TIPS, go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacambr2/searchtips.html Don Varner :Cambria County, PA,, Schools Pages - <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacambr2/> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacambr2/ Don Varner (CamCoPa) Cambria County, PA,, Schools Pages - <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacambr2/> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacambr2/

I have been trying to find an earlier email where Terry Kruise research was quoted as to the burials of Hugh and Catherine Riffle-McMullen at St Augustine’s in 1887. St Augustine was founded in 1859. Which would lead someone to assume records at St Michael’s are wrong. It is not necessarily so. One needs to look at the historical context. If as late as 1887 there was still no permanent priest assigned to the facility at St Augustine, the records would be found at the home church of the itinerant priest. Later generations assume the record belongs at the wrong church and start to document it at St Michael'scemetery vice St Augustine. St Augustine Church needs to be contacted to see when their first permanent priest was assigned. I am also not aware of any complete records of a physical inventory of St Augustine cemetery. this needs to be done to photograph any physical proof of the Terry Kruise assertion. However given the census data Perry has sited for Clearfield Twp the physical burial at St Augustine post 1859 makes perfect logic. Sent from Mike's Windows Mail From: Baker, Perry L Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎July‎ ‎30‎, ‎2013 ‎8‎:‎39‎ ‎AM To: 'bdjlk@roadrunner.com' Cc: 'mike mertle'; 'Mary MacLeod' From Terry Kruise about 10 years ago........Samuel's son Hugh McMullen (1804-1887) "died leaving no children". I wonder if Terry had found the obit for the Hugh that died in 1887. I'm not sure how else he would have found the quote. Also I thought that the Hugh that died in 1887 was born in 1802 or 1799 - I could be wrong there.

Thanks for the information. I meant to look up the date of the wedding. Did they have more children who died? Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: PfeisterJP <PfeisterJP@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com>; pacambri <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 28, 2013 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] James and Sara Anna Nagle McMullen--Golden Wedding I have their marriage date as 25 August 1857 in Carrolltown. PA Wife was Sarah Anne Nagle, daughter of John and Bridget (Barnical) Nagle. James was the son of John and Catherine McMullen. John P In a message dated 7/28/2013 3:31:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, marilynkwash@aol.com writes: North Cambria News, Hastings, PA, August 30, 1907 [this is from my notes and may not be the exact wording of the paper] Mr. and Mrs. James McMullen of Hastings celebrated their Golden Wedding last week. [Didn't give dates or church.] Their attendants were two grandchildren, Philip McMullen and Miss Mary McMullen. The original attendants were Ellias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen, sister of the groom. They were married in Carrolltown [at St. Benedict's RC Church.] Mr. McMullen was born in Huntington County, and his wife, Sara Anna Nagle, was born in Carroll Township. They resided in Chest Springs until 1860, then moved to Elder Township. [Probably Swedetown or Stirling #10 along old Rt. 36 towards Westover, now Miller Street.] They are the parents of: Marcellus, Joseph, Sara, wife of George Baker; and Helena, wife of Philip Gray, Carrolltown. There are 29 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. I am sure that many of you can fill in more information. The newspapers didn't give all the data and mostly didn't even give the name of the wife. Marilyn Kline Washington - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have their marriage date as 25 August 1857 in Carrolltown. PA Wife was Sarah Anne Nagle, daughter of John and Bridget (Barnical) Nagle. James was the son of John and Catherine McMullen. John P In a message dated 7/28/2013 3:31:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, marilynkwash@aol.com writes: North Cambria News, Hastings, PA, August 30, 1907 [this is from my notes and may not be the exact wording of the paper] Mr. and Mrs. James McMullen of Hastings celebrated their Golden Wedding last week. [Didn't give dates or church.] Their attendants were two grandchildren, Philip McMullen and Miss Mary McMullen. The original attendants were Ellias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen, sister of the groom. They were married in Carrolltown [at St. Benedict's RC Church.] Mr. McMullen was born in Huntington County, and his wife, Sara Anna Nagle, was born in Carroll Township. They resided in Chest Springs until 1860, then moved to Elder Township. [Probably Swedetown or Stirling #10 along old Rt. 36 towards Westover, now Miller Street.] They are the parents of: Marcellus, Joseph, Sara, wife of George Baker; and Helena, wife of Philip Gray, Carrolltown. There are 29 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. I am sure that many of you can fill in more information. The newspapers didn't give all the data and mostly didn't even give the name of the wife. Marilyn Kline Washington - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

North Cambria News, Hastings, PA, August 30, 1907 [this is from my notes and may not be the exact wording of the paper] Mr. and Mrs. James McMullen of Hastings celebrated their Golden Wedding last week. [Didn't give dates or church.] Their attendants were two grandchildren, Philip McMullen and Miss Mary McMullen. The original attendants were Ellias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen, sister of the groom. They were married in Carrolltown [at St. Benedict's RC Church.] Mr. McMullen was born in Huntington County, and his wife, Sara Anna Nagle, was born in Carroll Township. They resided in Chest Springs until 1860, then moved to Elder Township. [Probably Swedetown or Stirling #10 along old Rt. 36 towards Westover, now Miller Street.] They are the parents of: Marcellus, Joseph, Sara, wife of George Baker; and Helena, wife of Philip Gray, Carrolltown. There are 29 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. I am sure that many of you can fill in more information. The newspapers didn't give all the data and mostly didn't even give the name of the wife. Marilyn Kline Washington

North Cambria News, Hastings, PA, August 30, 1907 [this is from my notes and may not be the exact wording of the paper] Mr. and Mrs. James McMullen of Hastings celebrated their Golden Wedding last week. [Didn't give dates or church.] Their attendants were two grandchildren, Philip McMullen and Miss Mary McMullen. The original attendants were Ellias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen, sister of the groom. They were married in Carrolltown [at St. Benedict's RC Church.] Mr. McMullen was born in Huntington County, and his wife, Sara Anna Nagle, was born in Carroll Township. They resided in Chest Springs until 1860, then moved to Elder Township. [Probably Swedetown or Stirling #10 along old Rt. 36 towards Westover, now Miller Street.] They are the parents of: Marcellus, Joseph, Sara, wife of George Baker; and Helena, wife of Philip Gray, Carrolltown. There are 29 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. I am sure that many of you can fill in more information. The newspapers didn't give all the data and mostly didn't even give the name of the wife. Marilyn Kline Washington

Here is original with my notes in brackets: North Cambria News, Friday, August 30, 1907. GOLDEN WEDDING Mr. And Mrs. James McMullen celebrated their Golden Wedding at Carrolltown. Attendants were Philip and Miss Mary McMullen, grandchildren. The original attendants were Elias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen, sister of the groom. She was born Sara Anna Nagle in Carroll Township and he was born in Huntington County. They resided in Chest Springs till 1860, then in Elder Township. Children include: Marcellus [1858], Joseph [1865], Sara [1862], wife of George Baker and Helena [1860], wife of Philip Gray, Carrolltown. There are 29 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. [There was also a Celestine, b. 1853.] Beth Campbell Rykhus -------Original Message------- From: marilyn Date: 7/28/2013 1:30:53 PM To: pacambri@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACAMBRI] James and Sara Anna Nagle McMullen--Golden Wedding North Cambria News, Hastings, PA, August 30, 1907 [this is from my notes and may not be the exact wording of the paper] Mr. and Mrs. James McMullen of Hastings celebrated their Golden Wedding last week. [Didn't give dates or church.] Their attendants were two grandchildren, Philip McMullen and Miss Mary McMullen. The original attendants were Ellias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen, sister of the groom. They were married in Carrolltown [at St. Benedict's RC Church.] Mr. McMullen was born in Huntington County, and his wife, Sara Anna Nagle, was born in Carroll Township. They resided in Chest Springs until 1860, then moved to Elder Township. [Probably Swedetown or Stirling #10 along old Rt. 36 towards Westover, now Miller Street.] They are the parents of: Marcellus, Joseph, Sara, wife of George Baker; and Helena, wife of Philip Gray, Carrolltown. There are 29 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. I am sure that many of you can fill in more information. The newspapers didn't give all the data and mostly didn't even give the name of the wife. Marilyn Kline Washington - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At this point it looks like we have: Hugh McMullen, died 1887, son of Samuel and Susan, wife _______ /Not being able to find a single census for Samuel's Hugh during the time his wife was living sure makes things difficult. Of course that assumes the 1880 census is accurate regarding his marital status as widower. Getting missed in the census once isn't surprising, but three times? And Margaret's financial arrangements for her brother in her will in 1871 kind of imply that he was not totally competent by then. He was the only one, except for the arrangements made for John, who was to receive his share of her estate in an annual payment rather than an outright bequest of share. Perhaps a deed of sale of property would reveal his wife's name. Could be hard to tell which Hugh is which in deeds when we don't know where Samuel's Hugh was living until he's boarding in 1880./ /If Susan Jane was the daughter of Samuel's Hugh, that means her mother's name was also Mary, or Mary Something./ Great! Hugh McMullen, died 1890, son of James and Ann, wife Catherine - may be Riffle or Riese Hugh McMullen, died 1864, son of _____, wife Mary - most likely daughter of John and Jane Riffle Back to sorting McMullens and Riffles... Mary On 7/26/2013 6:31 AM, Baker, Perry L wrote: > First - thank you so much for all the great information. I'm traveling today but let me share some thoughts and possibly reply later with more details. I have a copy of the marriage record for James D. McMullen and Sarah Nagle. It was obtained by my uncle on the 70s who was a Brother in the Catholic Church and it was transcribed and signed by a priest. We were always perplexed by the fathers name as James. We always assumed it was an error or that his father was Hugh James. I searched for other candidates who could have been James D. father named James who had a wife Catherine who had a son James circa 1834-1836. No matches have been found. Further James D. is closely tied the census family linking his sister Margaret and Elias Barnicle through both the 1890 Hugh obit and the 50th wedding anniversary announcement or the wedding witnesses. These all seemed very tight. I also have his Civil War pension records. Unfortunately no clues on his parents from those just the statement that he was born in Huntingdon County. I have to go back and read them again but I recall his birthdate even varies on those documents which frustrated me because I wanted to nail that down as his christening record shows 1835 the math on the 1850 census yields 1834 and his tombstone shows 1836. Unless another Father named James can be found to match just have to continue to believe the marriage record was not correct. > > And it only gets tougher after James D. My uncle always assumed the Logan connection but I noticed before his death he began to change the dates to reflect the 1890 death. I agree with your assessment that the 1890 Hugh is not the Hugh if Susan Logan and Sam McMullen. The 1890 Hugh was living next to Matthew and James McMullen on the 1850 census. Matthew and James were the sons of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. Terry Kruise listed their children and I have not validated those documents but he listed the Hugh who died in 1890 as the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe and that lined up well based on the three brothers living next to one another. This is where we linked Hames D. To Hugh to James that married Ann Donoughe. > > The Souvenir of Loretto is where I think it gets mangled. I also have begun to wonder if Susan Jane was from one of the Hugh's. Susan possibly coming from Sysan Logan and Jane possibly coming from Jane Riffle (Marriner). No proof. I also wonder if Catherine was a Riffle. But I still think she may be. And my link would be to an unnamed female Riffle baptism record from Bedford County. That Riffle family is related to the other Riffle family. And I would not be surprised if all of the McMullens are not linked some how also. > > My plane is about to take off. More to come on this. Thanks for working with me on this puzzle. > > Perry > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 26, 2013, at 2:49 AM, "Mary MacLeod" <crwsggd@sonic.net<mailto:crwsggd@sonic.net>> wrote: > > Perry, > > My grandfather's sister, Josephine (Dunlap) Noel, had two sons who married McMullen daughters of Marcellus McMullen, son of James and Sarah Nagle. I had James as the son of Hugh and Catherine and Hugh as the son of Samuel and Susan. I've been reviewing records I had and looking at records I hadn't previously collected and following the information that you and Linda and Donna have offered. What a gordian knot! It certainly appears that the Hugh married to Catherine is not the son of Samuel. In my review of records, I noticed the following and thought I should send it along to you since you do not have the CVR volumes. I know this will only add to the confusion. > > CATHOLIC VITAL RECORDS OF CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA, by Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 255, record #5548: > MC MULLEN, Jacobus (Jacobus/Cath. Riese, natives of Blair Co., PA) m. 08-25-1857 STB Sarah Anna NAGLE (Joannes/Birgitta Barnacle, natives of Chest Twp.) wi: Elias Barnacle/Margaretha McMullen (St. Benedict, Carrolltown, PA) CEN > > It's not like the priests never made mistakes in the records. The marriage record for my Dunlap great-grandparents has the bride's given name listed incorrectly. Maybe Fr. Englebrecht wrote James when he meant Hugh because the groom's name was James? Maybe he wrote Riese when it should have been Riffle? But I'm beginning to think that we need to consider that the Catherine married to Hugh may not have been a Riffle. Or that the James married to Sarah Nagle was not the son of Hugh and Catherine. Or both? > > Here are marriage records for the rest of the Hugh/Catherine children. Obviously Rosanna is the daughter of Hugh and Catherine and I think the Catherine Mary is their youngest, baptized Mary Catherine. > > Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. IV, page 235, record #5058: > BARNIKLE, Joannem (Michaelis/Margarethae McKenny), aged 36 m. 06-07 1863 Rosa Anna Mc MULLEN (Hugh/Cath. "McMullen"), aged 30 wi: William Wertz/Sara Anna Noal PAE St. Benedict, Carrolltown, Pa. > > Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. V, page 206, record #4725: > FEICHT, Georgium m. 10-29-1867 Catharinam Mariam MC MULLEN wi: Joannes Feicht/Helena McMullen "& others" EJB St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. > > Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. V, page 205, record #4693: > MC MULLEN, Carolus V. m. 10-15-1863 Catharina CONRAD wi: Henricus C. Hanigan/Maria C. McMullen JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. > > Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 360, record #7922: > BARNACLE, Elias m. 11-24-1857 Marguerita Cecelia MC MULLEN wi: Joannes McKinzie/Rose Anna McMullen JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. > > Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 360, record #7910: > SWINHART, Jacobus m. 11-25-1856 Martha Johanna MC MULLEN wi: Jacobus McMullen/Maria J. McConnell JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. > > I could not find marriage records for Susan Jane, Matthew, or Francis J. > > It is beginning to look to me like Susan Jane McMullen born 10 Aug 1839, with Jacob Riffle as godfather may not be the child of Hugh and Catherine. Hugh and Catherine's daughter Margaret was born only 7 months after Susan. Susan Jane's mother is recorded as Mary rather than Catherine, and with the Riffle godfather she is more likely the daughter of the Hugh and Mary who are in Blair county in 1850 and in Loretto in 1860. If this is so, the Hugh in Tell, Huntingdon in 1840 may not be the same fellow married to Mary. Not sure of any of this. > > Also notice that the Hugh McMullen and wife Mary living in Loretto in 1860 have one of the Humphries children in their household, so this Mary McMullen may be a Riffle child of John and Jane Mariner Riffle. Her age places her neatly between Nancy and James, no guarantee, but a possibility. > > I think the Hugh McMullen who died in 1864 is the one married to Mary, but I don't think he is the son of Samuel and Susan McMullen. Last night I found a will for Samuel's daughter, Margaret, the one charged in Samuel's will with taking care of brother John. The will can be accessed at family search under PA Probate records, Cambria County, Wills 1808-1883, vols. 1-3, image 675. The will was written by Margaret on 1 June 1871. She died 6 Aug 1880. The will leaves bequests " share and share alike" to the following relatives: Hugh McMullen, Alexander McMullen, Mary Kelly, Jane Mc Dermitt, Rebecca McMullen, widow of James, and Margaret Morris, wife of Cornelius. She appoints Cornelius Morris as her executor and as trustee for the arrangements made for her brother John. She also gives her household goods, her cow and sheep, and her interest in a lot of ground in Chest Springs that she and Margaret Morris purchased jointly to Margaret Morris. Brother John is to live and be cared for by Cornelius and Margaret Morris with the funds designated for him by Margaret McMullen. The share designated for her brother Hugh is to be invested by the executor and paid to him annually during his lifetime. So clearly Margaret's brother Hugh is still alive in June of 1871 while it appears that Mary's husband Hugh has been interred at St. Michael's in 1864. I have not been able to turn up Hugh, son of Samuel in any census but the 1880 and I almost missed this one: > > 1880 United States Federal Census > Home in 1880: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania > Household Members: > Edward Little, 46, HOH, m, Carpenter, PA PA PA > Jane R. Little, 41, wife, m, Keeping House, PA PA PA > Mary E. Little, 12, dau, s, at home, PA PA PA > Motilda Little, 10, dau, s, at home, PA PA PA > Lawranse Little, 7, son, s, PA PA PA > Joseph Little, 5, son, s, PA PA PA > Margharet Little, 1, dau, s, PA PA PA > Hew Mc Mullin, 77, Boarder, wd, retired Farmer, PA IRE PA > Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania; Roll: 1111; Family History Film: 1255111; Page: 383D; Enumeration District: 202; Image: 0055. > > It must be Samuel's son Hugh who died 21 Jan 1887 and is buried at Loretto, while James' son Hugh died in 1890 and is buried at St. Augustine. So far I haven't figured out who the parents of Hugh married to Mary, possibly the daughter of John Riffle, might be. No marriage records in CVR for any of the Hughs McMullen. > > I'm still chasing after some other bits, but I think I'll add this chunk to the discussion now. I look forward to all thoughts on this tangle... > > Mary MacLeod > California (with Cambria County roots) > > > On 7/23/2013 11:59 AM, Baker, Perry L wrote: > > Well Donna, that's a little bit of a troubling find because I've spent a lot of time eliminating the Riffle connection to that Hugh. I wish I could answer this quickly but I think it's better to arm you all with the facts as I know them. > > There were three Hugh McMullens living in the area with birthdates within 5 years of one another. One was the son of Samuel McMullen and Susan Logan. Another was the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. I do have two of the Hugh's Obits. They have all been intermixed by researchers and there has been a lot of confusion. > > The first census report you show below from 1860 in Clearfield TWP is for the Hugh McMullen - born 1803 died 1890. > > CAMBRIA FREEMAN EBENSBURG, PA 7 Feb 1890 > Hugh McMullen died at the home of his son-in-law Elias Barnicle, in Clearfield township, on Monday last, aged eighty-seven years and one month. Mr. McMullen was born on the third day of February, 1803, it being the third day of the week, the third day of the month, and the third year in the century. > > Elias Barnicle married Hugh and Catherine's daughter Margaret. Elias and Margaret were witnesses for the wedding of James (son of Hugh and Catherine) and his wife Sarah Nagle. > > > The facts and Sources: > >From the Souvenir of Loretto centenary: McMullen Hugh and Mary Catherine Riffel; James, Lucy, Susan Jane 1835-1839. > > Census records: > > 1850 census Cambria co Cleafield twp PA #3/3 Hugh McMullin 45 farmer Catherine 38 Rosana 20 Martha I. 18 James 16 Lucy 14 Margaret 10 Matthew I. 8 Francis L. 7 Charles V. 5 Mary C. 2 > > 1860 census Cambria co Clearfield twp PA > #1949/1959 > Hugh McMullin 57 > Catherine 49 > Charles 14 > Catherine 12 > > 1880 census Cambria co Clearfield twp PA #10/10 Hugh McMullin 77 Catherine 69 > > >From researcher Terry Kruise who chronicled the St. Augsutine Cemetery: Mary "Catharine" (Riffle) McMullen, born about 1812, married Hugh McMullen. She died on 15 Jun 1883 at age 71 years, and was buried on 18 Jun 1883 at St. Augustine Cemetery in St. Augustine, Cambria County, PA. Hugh was born on 3 Mar 1803 and died 3 Feb 1890 at age 87. He was buried at St. Augustine on 5 Feb 1890. They do have tombstones there at St. Augustine, but they are a bit worn. Hugh is the son of James & Ann (Donoughue) McMullen > > >From Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania" ( Albert H. Ledoux, 1996). These were sent to me by another researcher I don’t have a copy of the books. > > James: > Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 131, #2786 McMullan, Jacobus (Hugonis/Catharinae) > b. 07-04-1835 BP. 11-10-1837 gp: Joannes Fels/Maria Teresia Fels DAG [St. Michael's] > > Lucy: > Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 131, #02787 McMullen, Lucia (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 04-04-1837 > BP. 11-10-1837 gp: Joannes Fels/Maria Teresia Fels DAG. > > Susan Jane: > Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 141, #02995 McMullan, Susanna Joanna (Hugonis/Mariae) b. 08-10 > BP. 8-20-1839 gp: Jacobus Riffle/Maria Riffle DAG. > > Matthew J.: > Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 11, #0193 McMullan, Matthaeus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 12-26-1841 > BP. 04-02-1842 gp: Rev. P.H. Lemke/Maria Dearmitt PHL. > > Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 201, #4955 McMullen, Matthaeus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 12-26-1841 > BP. 04-02-1842 gp: Rev. P.H. Lemke/Maria Dearmitt PHL. > > Charles Vincent: > Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 41, #1059 McMullen, Charles Vincent (Hugh/Mary Catherine Riffle) b. 07-23-1846 HPG. > > The first child listed above is James D. McMullen who married Sarah Nagle (marriage witnessed by Elias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen). Susan Jane is not found in later census reports so she may not have lived long. I have not yet obtained the records for Rosana or Martha listed on the 1850 census. As per the census Rosana was born in 1830 (I've seen other researches quote November 1830 but have not seen the christening record). > All of the information up until this point validates that the Hugh that died in 1890 is not the son of Samuel McMullen and Susan Logan but the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. > > Here is the census report for Hugh and Catherine for 1830. They were together in 1830. By 1840 this Hugh and Catherine had relocated to Clearfield and lived next to his brothers Matthew and James McMullen. > > Name: Hugh Mc Mullen > [Hugh McMullen] > Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Tell, Huntingdon, Pennsylvania > Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1 > Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1 > Free White Persons - Under 20: 1 > Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1 > Total Free White Persons: 2 > Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 2 > > This obviously means that they met by 1830. In 1830 John the Hatter was still in Northumberland PA and can be found there on the census reports. The history account states that he does not arrive to Cambria County until 1832. John did have 2 female children under 10 on the 1820 report, but I do not have birth documents for them at this time. > > As for the other two Hugh's - here is the obit for one of them: > > FROZEN TO DEATH - Hugh McMullen, a blacksmith by trade, was frozen to > death, on Wednesday night, 13th inst., on the road leading from Altoona > to Wapsononock, near the latter place. > > Democratic Standard, Hollidaysburg, Pa., Wednesday, January 27, 1864 > > The other one died in 1887. Both of these Hugh's who died in 1864 and 1887 are buried in St. Michaels in Loretto. The on-line record indicates that one of them was married to Mary Catherine Riffle. I'm not sure where that came from. The only documented information I know of for the Riffle name connection on Mary Catherine Riffle is from the Souvenir of Loretto records. > > Also from another researcher - -- IN -- > ST. MICHAEL'S PARISH, LORETTO, PA., > >From November 17, 1793, to October 10, 1899 > M'MULLEN, Hugh (of Samuel) 1801 Jun. 21, 1887 > > So one of these two other Hugh's is the son of Samuel. Could he have married a Riffle too? Possible but an odd coincidence to say the least. Or did My Hugh McMullen marry a different Mary Catherine (not a Riffle)? That would mean the Loretto books are not correct. > > I know that's a lot. I'll let you digest all that and look forward to your reply. > > Thanks, > > Perry > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bdjlk@roadrunner.com<mailto:bdjlk@roadrunner.com> [mailto:bdjlk@roadrunner.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:47 PM > To: Baker, Perry L; JCTripp; pjohn685@comcast.net<mailto:pjohn685@comcast.net>; Cambria Co. PACAMBRIA; michael.mertle@comcast.net<mailto:michael.mertle@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! > > I found the one connection to the John the Hatter Riffel were that these two children had Jacob Riffle as a baptismal sponsor: > > CVR Volume II, Baptisms of St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa., p. 259: 6230 LITZINGER, Jacobum Montgomery (Daniele / Lydia Joanna Riffle) b. 09-08 bp. 09-23-1849 gp: Jacobo M. Riffle / Maria Dodson JAG > > CVR Volume I, Baptisms of St. Michael, Loretto, Pa. p. 141: 02995 MC MULLAN, Susanna Joanna (Hugonis / Mariae) b. 08-10 bp. 08-20-1839 gp: Jacobus Riffle / Maria Riffle DAG > > I'm assuming this Jacob Riffle to be the owner of the Mansion House Hotel in Summitville in this obituary: > > Cambria Freeman, Ebensburg, Pa., October 14, 1871, p. 3. Obituary. RIFFLE - Died, at Summitville, on Saturday last, after a short illness, Mr. JAMES M. RIFFLE; aged about 52 years. Mr. Riffle came from Maryland to this county with his parents when he was quite young, and for the last thirty-five years he was a resident of Summitville. In his early life he was engaged for a long time in the mercantile business, but eventually purchased the old and well known "Mansion House" hotel, of which he was proprietor for many years prior to his death. He was well and favorably known throughout the county, and indeed throughout the State, and by his kind and genial nature and social disposition won hosts of true friends, who will learn with exceeding regret of his decease in the vigor and fullness of life. May he rest in peace eternal. > > As Jane mentioned, he can be found on the 1860 Census in Summitville with his wife and a child of John and Margaret (Riffle) Humphries, John W. Humphries. His mother Jane is a widow, living next door, with his brother-in-law John Humphries and another nephew. > > Here is the clincher and the big question mark. Assuming Hugh McMullen and Mary Catherine Riffel was this child's baptismal sponsors: > > CVR Volume II, Baptisms of St. Aloysius Gonzaga, Summit, Pa., p. 194: 4781 HUMPHREYS, Jacobum Riffle (Joanne / Margarita Riffle) b. 04-08 bp. 04-21-1849 gp: Hugo McMullen / Maria McMullen PD > > Why is John Humphries living with another Hugh and Maria McMullen on the 1860 Census in Loretto, while Hugh McMullen and Catherine are living in Clearfield township? Two Hugh McMullens married Riffles? > > 1860 Census Clearfield Twp., Cambria > Hugh McMullin 57 Laborer 250 Pa > Catharine (Riffel) McMullin 49 Pa > Charles McMullin 14 Pa > Catharine McMullin 12 Pa > > 1860 Census Loretto Borough, Cambria > Hugh McMullen 55 Laborer 300 Pa > Mary McMullen 45 Pa > James Humphries 10 Pa > > Anyone know who Maria or Mary McMullen wife of the second Hugh is? or who the second Hugh is? > > Donna Noel Julian > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >

First - thank you so much for all the great information. I'm traveling today but let me share some thoughts and possibly reply later with more details. I have a copy of the marriage record for James D. McMullen and Sarah Nagle. It was obtained by my uncle on the 70s who was a Brother in the Catholic Church and it was transcribed and signed by a priest. We were always perplexed by the fathers name as James. We always assumed it was an error or that his father was Hugh James. I searched for other candidates who could have been James D. father named James who had a wife Catherine who had a son James circa 1834-1836. No matches have been found. Further James D. is closely tied the census family linking his sister Margaret and Elias Barnicle through both the 1890 Hugh obit and the 50th wedding anniversary announcement or the wedding witnesses. These all seemed very tight. I also have his Civil War pension records. Unfortunately no clues on his parents from those just the ! statement that he was born in Huntingdon County. I have to go back and read them again but I recall his birthdate even varies on those documents which frustrated me because I wanted to nail that down as his christening record shows 1835 the math on the 1850 census yields 1834 and his tombstone shows 1836. Unless another Father named James can be found to match just have to continue to believe the marriage record was not correct. And it only gets tougher after James D. My uncle always assumed the Logan connection but I noticed before his death he began to change the dates to reflect the 1890 death. I agree with your assessment that the 1890 Hugh is not the Hugh if Susan Logan and Sam McMullen. The 1890 Hugh was living next to Matthew and James McMullen on the 1850 census. Matthew and James were the sons of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. Terry Kruise listed their children and I have not validated those documents but he listed the Hugh who died in 1890 as the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe and that lined up well based on the three brothers living next to one another. This is where we linked Hames D. To Hugh to James that married Ann Donoughe. The Souvenir of Loretto is where I think it gets mangled. I also have begun to wonder if Susan Jane was from one of the Hugh's. Susan possibly coming from Sysan Logan and Jane possibly coming from Jane Riffle (Marriner). No proof. I also wonder if Catherine was a Riffle. But I still think she may be. And my link would be to an unnamed female Riffle baptism record from Bedford County. That Riffle family is related to the other Riffle family. And I would not be surprised if all of the McMullens are not linked some how also. My plane is about to take off. More to come on this. Thanks for working with me on this puzzle. Perry Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2013, at 2:49 AM, "Mary MacLeod" <crwsggd@sonic.net<mailto:crwsggd@sonic.net>> wrote: Perry, My grandfather's sister, Josephine (Dunlap) Noel, had two sons who married McMullen daughters of Marcellus McMullen, son of James and Sarah Nagle. I had James as the son of Hugh and Catherine and Hugh as the son of Samuel and Susan. I've been reviewing records I had and looking at records I hadn't previously collected and following the information that you and Linda and Donna have offered. What a gordian knot! It certainly appears that the Hugh married to Catherine is not the son of Samuel. In my review of records, I noticed the following and thought I should send it along to you since you do not have the CVR volumes. I know this will only add to the confusion. CATHOLIC VITAL RECORDS OF CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA, by Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 255, record #5548: MC MULLEN, Jacobus (Jacobus/Cath. Riese, natives of Blair Co., PA) m. 08-25-1857 STB Sarah Anna NAGLE (Joannes/Birgitta Barnacle, natives of Chest Twp.) wi: Elias Barnacle/Margaretha McMullen (St. Benedict, Carrolltown, PA) CEN It's not like the priests never made mistakes in the records. The marriage record for my Dunlap great-grandparents has the bride's given name listed incorrectly. Maybe Fr. Englebrecht wrote James when he meant Hugh because the groom's name was James? Maybe he wrote Riese when it should have been Riffle? But I'm beginning to think that we need to consider that the Catherine married to Hugh may not have been a Riffle. Or that the James married to Sarah Nagle was not the son of Hugh and Catherine. Or both? Here are marriage records for the rest of the Hugh/Catherine children. Obviously Rosanna is the daughter of Hugh and Catherine and I think the Catherine Mary is their youngest, baptized Mary Catherine. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. IV, page 235, record #5058: BARNIKLE, Joannem (Michaelis/Margarethae McKenny), aged 36 m. 06-07 1863 Rosa Anna Mc MULLEN (Hugh/Cath. "McMullen"), aged 30 wi: William Wertz/Sara Anna Noal PAE St. Benedict, Carrolltown, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. V, page 206, record #4725: FEICHT, Georgium m. 10-29-1867 Catharinam Mariam MC MULLEN wi: Joannes Feicht/Helena McMullen "& others" EJB St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. V, page 205, record #4693: MC MULLEN, Carolus V. m. 10-15-1863 Catharina CONRAD wi: Henricus C. Hanigan/Maria C. McMullen JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 360, record #7922: BARNACLE, Elias m. 11-24-1857 Marguerita Cecelia MC MULLEN wi: Joannes McKinzie/Rose Anna McMullen JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 360, record #7910: SWINHART, Jacobus m. 11-25-1856 Martha Johanna MC MULLEN wi: Jacobus McMullen/Maria J. McConnell JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. I could not find marriage records for Susan Jane, Matthew, or Francis J. It is beginning to look to me like Susan Jane McMullen born 10 Aug 1839, with Jacob Riffle as godfather may not be the child of Hugh and Catherine. Hugh and Catherine's daughter Margaret was born only 7 months after Susan. Susan Jane's mother is recorded as Mary rather than Catherine, and with the Riffle godfather she is more likely the daughter of the Hugh and Mary who are in Blair county in 1850 and in Loretto in 1860. If this is so, the Hugh in Tell, Huntingdon in 1840 may not be the same fellow married to Mary. Not sure of any of this. Also notice that the Hugh McMullen and wife Mary living in Loretto in 1860 have one of the Humphries children in their household, so this Mary McMullen may be a Riffle child of John and Jane Mariner Riffle. Her age places her neatly between Nancy and James, no guarantee, but a possibility. I think the Hugh McMullen who died in 1864 is the one married to Mary, but I don't think he is the son of Samuel and Susan McMullen. Last night I found a will for Samuel's daughter, Margaret, the one charged in Samuel's will with taking care of brother John. The will can be accessed at family search under PA Probate records, Cambria County, Wills 1808-1883, vols. 1-3, image 675. The will was written by Margaret on 1 June 1871. She died 6 Aug 1880. The will leaves bequests " share and share alike" to the following relatives: Hugh McMullen, Alexander McMullen, Mary Kelly, Jane Mc Dermitt, Rebecca McMullen, widow of James, and Margaret Morris, wife of Cornelius. She appoints Cornelius Morris as her executor and as trustee for the arrangements made for her brother John. She also gives her household goods, her cow and sheep, and her interest in a lot of ground in Chest Springs that she and Margaret Morris purchased jointly to Margaret Morris. Brother John is to live and be cared ! for by Cornelius and Margaret Morris with the funds designated for him by Margaret McMullen. The share designated for her brother Hugh is to be invested by the executor and paid to him annually during his lifetime. So clearly Margaret's brother Hugh is still alive in June of 1871 while it appears that Mary's husband Hugh has been interred at St. Michael's in 1864. I have not been able to turn up Hugh, son of Samuel in any census but the 1880 and I almost missed this one: 1880 United States Federal Census Home in 1880: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania Household Members: Edward Little, 46, HOH, m, Carpenter, PA PA PA Jane R. Little, 41, wife, m, Keeping House, PA PA PA Mary E. Little, 12, dau, s, at home, PA PA PA Motilda Little, 10, dau, s, at home, PA PA PA Lawranse Little, 7, son, s, PA PA PA Joseph Little, 5, son, s, PA PA PA Margharet Little, 1, dau, s, PA PA PA Hew Mc Mullin, 77, Boarder, wd, retired Farmer, PA IRE PA Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania; Roll: 1111; Family History Film: 1255111; Page: 383D; Enumeration District: 202; Image: 0055. It must be Samuel's son Hugh who died 21 Jan 1887 and is buried at Loretto, while James' son Hugh died in 1890 and is buried at St. Augustine. So far I haven't figured out who the parents of Hugh married to Mary, possibly the daughter of John Riffle, might be. No marriage records in CVR for any of the Hughs McMullen. I'm still chasing after some other bits, but I think I'll add this chunk to the discussion now. I look forward to all thoughts on this tangle... Mary MacLeod California (with Cambria County roots) On 7/23/2013 11:59 AM, Baker, Perry L wrote: Well Donna, that's a little bit of a troubling find because I've spent a lot of time eliminating the Riffle connection to that Hugh. I wish I could answer this quickly but I think it's better to arm you all with the facts as I know them. There were three Hugh McMullens living in the area with birthdates within 5 years of one another. One was the son of Samuel McMullen and Susan Logan. Another was the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. I do have two of the Hugh's Obits. They have all been intermixed by researchers and there has been a lot of confusion. The first census report you show below from 1860 in Clearfield TWP is for the Hugh McMullen - born 1803 died 1890. CAMBRIA FREEMAN EBENSBURG, PA 7 Feb 1890 Hugh McMullen died at the home of his son-in-law Elias Barnicle, in Clearfield township, on Monday last, aged eighty-seven years and one month. Mr. McMullen was born on the third day of February, 1803, it being the third day of the week, the third day of the month, and the third year in the century. Elias Barnicle married Hugh and Catherine's daughter Margaret. Elias and Margaret were witnesses for the wedding of James (son of Hugh and Catherine) and his wife Sarah Nagle. The facts and Sources: >From the Souvenir of Loretto centenary: McMullen Hugh and Mary Catherine Riffel; James, Lucy, Susan Jane 1835-1839. Census records: 1850 census Cambria co Cleafield twp PA #3/3 Hugh McMullin 45 farmer Catherine 38 Rosana 20 Martha I. 18 James 16 Lucy 14 Margaret 10 Matthew I. 8 Francis L. 7 Charles V. 5 Mary C. 2 1860 census Cambria co Clearfield twp PA #1949/1959 Hugh McMullin 57 Catherine 49 Charles 14 Catherine 12 1880 census Cambria co Clearfield twp PA #10/10 Hugh McMullin 77 Catherine 69 >From researcher Terry Kruise who chronicled the St. Augsutine Cemetery: Mary "Catharine" (Riffle) McMullen, born about 1812, married Hugh McMullen. She died on 15 Jun 1883 at age 71 years, and was buried on 18 Jun 1883 at St. Augustine Cemetery in St. Augustine, Cambria County, PA. Hugh was born on 3 Mar 1803 and died 3 Feb 1890 at age 87. He was buried at St. Augustine on 5 Feb 1890. They do have tombstones there at St. Augustine, but they are a bit worn. Hugh is the son of James & Ann (Donoughue) McMullen >From Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania" ( Albert H. Ledoux, 1996). These were sent to me by another researcher I don’t have a copy of the books. James: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 131, #2786 McMullan, Jacobus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 07-04-1835 BP. 11-10-1837 gp: Joannes Fels/Maria Teresia Fels DAG [St. Michael's] Lucy: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 131, #02787 McMullen, Lucia (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 04-04-1837 BP. 11-10-1837 gp: Joannes Fels/Maria Teresia Fels DAG. Susan Jane: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 141, #02995 McMullan, Susanna Joanna (Hugonis/Mariae) b. 08-10 BP. 8-20-1839 gp: Jacobus Riffle/Maria Riffle DAG. Matthew J.: Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 11, #0193 McMullan, Matthaeus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 12-26-1841 BP. 04-02-1842 gp: Rev. P.H. Lemke/Maria Dearmitt PHL. Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 201, #4955 McMullen, Matthaeus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 12-26-1841 BP. 04-02-1842 gp: Rev. P.H. Lemke/Maria Dearmitt PHL. Charles Vincent: Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 41, #1059 McMullen, Charles Vincent (Hugh/Mary Catherine Riffle) b. 07-23-1846 HPG. The first child listed above is James D. McMullen who married Sarah Nagle (marriage witnessed by Elias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen). Susan Jane is not found in later census reports so she may not have lived long. I have not yet obtained the records for Rosana or Martha listed on the 1850 census. As per the census Rosana was born in 1830 (I've seen other researches quote November 1830 but have not seen the christening record). All of the information up until this point validates that the Hugh that died in 1890 is not the son of Samuel McMullen and Susan Logan but the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. Here is the census report for Hugh and Catherine for 1830. They were together in 1830. By 1840 this Hugh and Catherine had relocated to Clearfield and lived next to his brothers Matthew and James McMullen. Name: Hugh Mc Mullen [Hugh McMullen] Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Tell, Huntingdon, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1 Free White Persons - Under 20: 1 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1 Total Free White Persons: 2 Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 2 This obviously means that they met by 1830. In 1830 John the Hatter was still in Northumberland PA and can be found there on the census reports. The history account states that he does not arrive to Cambria County until 1832. John did have 2 female children under 10 on the 1820 report, but I do not have birth documents for them at this time. As for the other two Hugh's - here is the obit for one of them: FROZEN TO DEATH - Hugh McMullen, a blacksmith by trade, was frozen to death, on Wednesday night, 13th inst., on the road leading from Altoona to Wapsononock, near the latter place. Democratic Standard, Hollidaysburg, Pa., Wednesday, January 27, 1864 The other one died in 1887. Both of these Hugh's who died in 1864 and 1887 are buried in St. Michaels in Loretto. The on-line record indicates that one of them was married to Mary Catherine Riffle. I'm not sure where that came from. The only documented information I know of for the Riffle name connection on Mary Catherine Riffle is from the Souvenir of Loretto records. Also from another researcher - -- IN -- ST. MICHAEL'S PARISH, LORETTO, PA., >From November 17, 1793, to October 10, 1899 M'MULLEN, Hugh (of Samuel) 1801 Jun. 21, 1887 So one of these two other Hugh's is the son of Samuel. Could he have married a Riffle too? Possible but an odd coincidence to say the least. Or did My Hugh McMullen marry a different Mary Catherine (not a Riffle)? That would mean the Loretto books are not correct. I know that's a lot. I'll let you digest all that and look forward to your reply. Thanks, Perry -----Original Message----- From: bdjlk@roadrunner.com<mailto:bdjlk@roadrunner.com> [mailto:bdjlk@roadrunner.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:47 PM To: Baker, Perry L; JCTripp; pjohn685@comcast.net<mailto:pjohn685@comcast.net>; Cambria Co. PACAMBRIA; michael.mertle@comcast.net<mailto:michael.mertle@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! I found the one connection to the John the Hatter Riffel were that these two children had Jacob Riffle as a baptismal sponsor: CVR Volume II, Baptisms of St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa., p. 259: 6230 LITZINGER, Jacobum Montgomery (Daniele / Lydia Joanna Riffle) b. 09-08 bp. 09-23-1849 gp: Jacobo M. Riffle / Maria Dodson JAG CVR Volume I, Baptisms of St. Michael, Loretto, Pa. p. 141: 02995 MC MULLAN, Susanna Joanna (Hugonis / Mariae) b. 08-10 bp. 08-20-1839 gp: Jacobus Riffle / Maria Riffle DAG I'm assuming this Jacob Riffle to be the owner of the Mansion House Hotel in Summitville in this obituary: Cambria Freeman, Ebensburg, Pa., October 14, 1871, p. 3. Obituary. RIFFLE - Died, at Summitville, on Saturday last, after a short illness, Mr. JAMES M. RIFFLE; aged about 52 years. Mr. Riffle came from Maryland to this county with his parents when he was quite young, and for the last thirty-five years he was a resident of Summitville. In his early life he was engaged for a long time in the mercantile business, but eventually purchased the old and well known "Mansion House" hotel, of which he was proprietor for many years prior to his death. He was well and favorably known throughout the county, and indeed throughout the State, and by his kind and genial nature and social disposition won hosts of true friends, who will learn with exceeding regret of his decease in the vigor and fullness of life. May he rest in peace eternal. As Jane mentioned, he can be found on the 1860 Census in Summitville with his wife and a child of John and Margaret (Riffle) Humphries, John W. Humphries. His mother Jane is a widow, living next door, with his brother-in-law John Humphries and another nephew. Here is the clincher and the big question mark. Assuming Hugh McMullen and Mary Catherine Riffel was this child's baptismal sponsors: CVR Volume II, Baptisms of St. Aloysius Gonzaga, Summit, Pa., p. 194: 4781 HUMPHREYS, Jacobum Riffle (Joanne / Margarita Riffle) b. 04-08 bp. 04-21-1849 gp: Hugo McMullen / Maria McMullen PD Why is John Humphries living with another Hugh and Maria McMullen on the 1860 Census in Loretto, while Hugh McMullen and Catherine are living in Clearfield township? Two Hugh McMullens married Riffles? 1860 Census Clearfield Twp., Cambria Hugh McMullin 57 Laborer 250 Pa Catharine (Riffel) McMullin 49 Pa Charles McMullin 14 Pa Catharine McMullin 12 Pa 1860 Census Loretto Borough, Cambria Hugh McMullen 55 Laborer 300 Pa Mary McMullen 45 Pa James Humphries 10 Pa Anyone know who Maria or Mary McMullen wife of the second Hugh is? or who the second Hugh is? 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