Today Cameron's Bottom [Name of church is St. Patrick's] is in the merged parish at Heliwood, Indiana County and the Diocese of Westmoreland In the past, any priest who was available or traveling through the area would say mass there, or the priest would come from Sportsman's Hall [original name of St. Vincent's Parish and College in Latrobe.] These records were USUALLY recorded in the parish church of the priest. From 1840 -- 1850, the priests from St. Aloysius Church in Summitville, near Cresson, in Cambria County, served the Cameron's Bottom area and recorded the baptisms and marriages in the St. Aloysius Church Records. After Nicktown [St. Nicholas] had a church and pastor, he would sometimes say a regular mass at Cameron's Bottom. Also, there was a "chapel" at Strongstown [along R422, then known as the Indiana Pike] called St. Veronica's [or the Church of the Seven Dolores.] Incidentally, this year is the 175 anniversary of St. Aloysius and there is an article in today's [October 11, 2013] Altoona Mirror. There was a mention somewhere about the Franciscans from St. Francis, Loretto, establishing some sort of religious foundation at Cameron's Bottom. In the Bicentennial History of Loretto, published in 1976, Fr. Bonaventure Kiley, TOR, states the following: "....In late 1849 or early 1850 the Brothers [meaning the Irish Emigrants] commenced a farm and school for older boys at New Bedford, Pa, It was discontinued 1866 because it was so far removed from Pittsburgh. The care of orphan boys and the teaching of the manual trades challenged them [the Franciscan Brothers] to open a house at Cameron's Bottom in 1850 or 1852. Then Cameron's Bottom continued until 1882...." One reason the Brothers selected Cameron's Bottom was that there was a regularly scheduled priest. For those of you who are not Catholics or don't know Catholic history, customs or terminology, here are a few notes St. Veronica is a "mythical" woman who used her veil to wipe the blood and sweat from the face of Jesus during his walk to the Crucifixion. "Seven Dolores" mean "seven sorrows," a devotion to the Blessed Mother. [I have no idea why either name was used.] Some people feel the "Head" supposedly venerated by the Knights Templar was this cloth. [Or it could have been the Shroud of Turin folded to show only the face of Jesus.] Brothers: Most monastic facilities before the present time were composed of "religious," those who devoted their lives to God and lived in common in a monastery or friary [the name used for the Franciscan Friars.] There were usually very few priests among them, only enough priests to say mass for the others. Today this is reversed. Brothers or Lay Brothers, as they are sometimes called, were not educated and generally did the farming or manual work. Hence their interest in forming a school to teach manual trades. Today most priests are "secular," meaning they do not belong to a Religious Order, and served the Bishop in the Diocese where the live. Lay Sisters and Choir Sisters: In Europe, because of the medieval class system, there were two classes of nuns or sisters. The Lay Sisters were usually peasant girls who did the housework, cooking, gardening, and animal care. They often were definitely considered "second class," and had no rights to vote for the Mother Superior or for any other reason. Generally they could not read or write. Choir Sisters were from the upper class, usually "extra" daughters, and were treated as upper class. They brought a "dowry" when they joined the order, had better quality clothes and food, and were waited on like noblewomen. "Choir" sister refers to them being educated enough to read and sing the Mass or other religious services. Generally they were supposed to pray for their supporters. This custom came to America from Europe, but didn't last long. The upper class nuns who founded the "houses" in America were informed that in America everyone was equal, and if the Choir Nuns didn't want them--the Lay Sisters-- sitting at the table [for one thing], then they could cook their own food. I found a letter from a Mother Superior sent to America to found a house, saying this. She was extremely indignant. This was also true in "houses" for men. The Lay Brothers did the work of survival [farming] and often had other jobs, like copying scripture. They ate at a different table or a different section of the table. House: this is the general name or shortened name for any religious foundation--it does not mean a house in which a family lives. It could be a monastery [where monks like the Benedictines] lived, a Convent [where nuns lived] and/or a friary [where the Friars, or wandering religious] lived. My grandfather's aunt, Elizabeth Klein, born in Leimen, Rhineland, joined the Franciscan Sisters at Glen Riddle, near Philadelphia, as Sr. Richardia. When I got her records from the order, it said she was a "lay sister," and that is when I investigated the term. The Mercy Sisters, from Ireland originally, also had this system for awhile. Marilyn Kline Washington

No, I don't. Try writing to Joan Weakland Yeckley--she is the one who collects pictures. I had a copy of Charles' family, but it is Joan who put it on the scanner. Mary McLeod is a relative through the Bendon or Campbells, and she had a picture of one of Albert and Frances' daughters, Leona. She sent it to me and I helped her decide which daughter it was from the name and dates. Albert was a rural postal carrier based in Spangler for 10 years. Frank, the oldest son, lived the and was killed by a runaway mine car--he was a mine carpenter at Logan #9 at the crossroads of Rt 219 and #9 Road. His wife just had a baby, and changed the name to Frances. I think they had 9 children. She, Agnes Feighner, was the first widow in PA to receive a miner's pension. Ambrose, my grandfather, lived in Spangler for awhile as the railroad station agent. I have a picture of Myrtle Bertram Feighner [Mrs. Edward] in one of those Cambria Personalities. Her son married on of the Todhunter girls--their father was the Mine Owner/Manager in Barnesboro. I have a 50th Wedding of John and Rose [Smith] Feighner. I also have one of another of the granddaughters from the Carrolltown Yearbook, Mildred Zirn.--she had a write up in the paper, too. Joan Weakland Yeckley found one of John Feighner [original emigrant] with wife, Mary Ann Flick, and children, Charles, Mary Ann [Sharbaugh], Tilly [Stritmatter] and Catherine [Weymer.] Only problem is we don't know which daughter is which. There was an 11 year gap between Charles and the girls, which I though odd, but attributed to miscarriages. However, I later found three or four other children born and baptized at Summitville when they lived in Washington Township and John and his brother-in-law, John Flick, worked on the Portage RR. They were stone cutters. I found some information about Cameron's Bottom--I believe I mentioned that the 1940-50 Church Records of St. Aloysius in Summitville recorded the St. Patrick's at Cameron's Records. There is an article in today's paper about St. Aloysius having its 175 th anniversary. A Weymer son or grandson, Charles, I think, from Cresson lived to be 100. So did Mary Feighner, daughter of John and Rose Smith. She led the Bicentennial parade in a carriage. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: eflad <eflad@comcast.net> To: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:03 pm Subject: Re: Charles and Sophia [Ebig] Family Picture [10 living children] Thanks a bunch, Marilyn. You do not have a photo of Frances? Would love to see one. Beth. -------Original Message------- From: marilyn Date: 10/10/2013 7:55:39 PM To: eflad@comcast.net; marilynkwash@aol.com; crwsggd@sonic.net Subject: Charles and Sophia [Ebig] Family Picture [10 living children] Here you go. Ambrose is my grandfather. Albert was married to Frances Campbell, daughter of Patrick Campbell and his second wife, Lydia Bendon. The oldest child, Charles, died as a small infant. The two youngest, a boy and girl, died of diphtheria as toddlers. That left my grandfather as the youngest son to inherit the Charles Feighner farm. His next oldest brother, Joseph, inherited the grandfather's farm, John Feighner m to Anna Marie Flick. The two farms connected at the rear, and Mary McLeod says that the Noel family had a farm that connected there, too. Mother, Helena Feighner Kline HIte, told me a Mr. Noel gave her and Joseph Feighner's daughter, Leona, a ride to high school every morning. He was a miner, so they left early in time for daily mass at St. Benedicts. It was 3 miles to school and church. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:30 am Subject: Fwd: Feichtner Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Joan <joraley@verizon.net> To: Marilyn K Washington <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 24, 2013 9:15 am Subject: Feichtner no time to talk now----we have an app. early.......will write later. joan

No, I don't. Try writing to Joan Weakland Yeckley--she is the one who collects pictures. I had a copy of Charles' family, but it is Joan who put it on the scanner. Mary McLeod is a relative through the Bendon or Campbells, and she had a picture of one of Albert and Frances' daughters, Leona. She sent it to me and I helped her decide which daughter it was from the name and dates. Albert was a rural postal carrier based in Spangler for 10 years. Frank, the oldest son, lived the and was killed by a runaway mine car--he was a mine carpenter at Logan #9 at the crossroads of Rt 219 and #9 Road. His wife just had a baby, and changed the name to Frances. I think they had 9 children. She, Agnes Feighner, was the first widow in PA to receive a miner's pension. Ambrose, my grandfather, lived in Spangler for awhile as the railroad station agent. I have a picture of Myrtle Bertram Feighner [Mrs. Edward] in one of those Cambria Personalities. Her son married on of the Todhunter girls--their father was the Mine Owner/Manager in Barnesboro. I have a 50th Wedding of John and Rose [Smith] Feighner. I also have one of another of the granddaughters from the Carrolltown Yearbook, Mildred Zirn.--she had a write up in the paper, too. Joan Weakland Yeckley found one of John Feighner [original emigrant] with wife, Mary Ann Flick, and children, Charles, Mary Ann [Sharbaugh], Tilly [Stritmatter] and Catherine [Weymer.] Only problem is we don't know which daughter is which. There was an 11 year gap between Charles and the girls, which I though odd, but attributed to miscarriages. However, I later found three or four other children born and baptized at Summitville when they lived in Washington Township and John and his brother-in-law, John Flick, worked on the Portage RR. They were stone cutters. I found some information about Cameron's Bottom--I believe I mentioned that the 1940-50 Church Records of St. Aloysius in Summitville recorded the St. Patrick's at Cameron's Records. There is an article in today's paper about St. Aloysius having its 175 th anniversary. A Weymer son or grandson, Charles, I think, from Cresson lived to be 100. So did Mary Feighner, daughter of John and Rose Smith. She led the Bicentennial parade in a carriage. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: eflad <eflad@comcast.net> To: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:03 pm Subject: Re: Charles and Sophia [Ebig] Family Picture [10 living children] Thanks a bunch, Marilyn. You do not have a photo of Frances? Would love to see one. Beth. -------Original Message------- From: marilyn Date: 10/10/2013 7:55:39 PM To: eflad@comcast.net; marilynkwash@aol.com; crwsggd@sonic.net Subject: Charles and Sophia [Ebig] Family Picture [10 living children] Here you go. Ambrose is my grandfather. Albert was married to Frances Campbell, daughter of Patrick Campbell and his second wife, Lydia Bendon. The oldest child, Charles, died as a small infant. The two youngest, a boy and girl, died of diphtheria as toddlers. That left my grandfather as the youngest son to inherit the Charles Feighner farm. His next oldest brother, Joseph, inherited the grandfather's farm, John Feighner m to Anna Marie Flick. The two farms connected at the rear, and Mary McLeod says that the Noel family had a farm that connected there, too. Mother, Helena Feighner Kline HIte, told me a Mr. Noel gave her and Joseph Feighner's daughter, Leona, a ride to high school every morning. He was a miner, so they left early in time for daily mass at St. Benedicts. It was 3 miles to school and church. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:30 am Subject: Fwd: Feichtner Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Joan <joraley@verizon.net> To: Marilyn K Washington <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 24, 2013 9:15 am Subject: Feichtner no time to talk now----we have an app. early.......will write later. joan

North Cambria News, Thursday, February 9, 1939 Mrs. Matilda [Lute] Fritz, 86, died last week at her home. Mrs. Fritz was born in Indiana County January 25, 1853. On January 28, 1873, she married Daniel Fritz, who preceded her in death April 28, 1934. Matilda and Daniel built a house on Spangler Street and turned the farm, known as Fritz's Corner, over to Hiram in 1904. Mr. Fritz sold part of his farm as building lots for the new town of Hastings. She was the mother of five children, two daughters being deceased. She is survived by her son, Hiram Fritz married to Laura Arble and two daughters, Mrs. Cora Smith Manion, of Ebensburg and Mrs. Sylvester [Sara Jane] Miller of Susquehanna Township. Mrs. Fritz was the sister of Isaac Lute, a Civil War Soldier. She was buried at St. Bernard's Cemetery. Note: The original Fritz who settled in this area was Hiram: his son was Daniel, and his grandson was Hiram. The original farm was in Carroll Township "near Carrolltown." Cora Fritz was married first to Albert Smith of Curvensville and they lived in Clymer where they ran a restaurant. Cora had a son George and daughter Eva who lived with her grandparents. Cora married second John Manion, a widowed neighbor of the Fritz's. Hiram and Laura had two daughters: Gertrude who married Walter Holtz and was the mother of Leonard, Howard and Laura Mae Holtz; and Mary Anna "Mae" who married Ralph Strittmatter, and was the mother of Frederick "Fritz, Boyd and Daniel Strittmatter Marilyn Kline Washington

North Cambria News, Thursday, December 19, 1940 Sylvester Miller, age 69, died in Susquehanna Township last week. He was born January 28, 1871, the son of Charles and Rosalia [Bagley] Miller. He leaves a widow, Sara Jane [Fritz] Miller and an adopted son, George Miller, at home. Mr. Miller also leaves the following brothers and sisters: Amandus, Pius, and Mrs. David Tovey, all of Detroit; Mrs. Joseph Vogel, Pittsburgh; Mrs. Albert Dowey, WillksBarre and Mrs. Anicetus Lehmier, of Spangler. His funeral was held Saturday at St. Bernard's Church, Hastings, and he was buried at St. Benedict's Cemetery, Carrolltown. Note: George Miller was the son of Eva Smith and Philip Nicholas Cronaurer. Eva Smith was the niece of Sara Jane Fritz, daughter of Cora Fritz and Bert Smith. Eva died in 1918 at the birth of her fourth child, Mary. Eva's aunt, Sara Jane, adopted George and Rose Anna Miller Cronauer, the grandmother, adopted the other three boys, George married Anna Mae Selfridge. Marilyn Kline Washington

That is probably the Karney/Carney family I was looking for. Thanks a lot. I thought they came from somewhere towards Allegheny Township or Loretto, and Chest Springs would fit there. However, the Francis listed in the Census is probably the male who married a female Kathleen Kline. I got mixed up. That Charles Kline [Karl Klein] was the first Klein to come from Leimen with the Glasser settlers. Charles Klein was in Eastern Pennslyvania with the Glassers. His original application for Citizenship, the Declaration of Intentions, was filed there. When he came to Cambria County, he filed an official copy of the Declaration [from Luzerne County, I think] in the Cambria County Court. The Kline land is now part the Seldom Seen Tourist Mine and formed part of the Miller Run Mine at one time.. Charles was an illegitimate child, son of Susanna Klein, and a cousin of my family in Leimen, Rhein Pfalz, Germany. The Fritzinger family of his wife, Catherine, came from the same general area in Germany, but first emigrated to St. Mary's, PA. The Charles Kline couple had about 10 children, and only one stayed in this area. That was Mary "Mae" Klein, who married John Jackman [Chachman] who was the manager of the Tannery at Mahaffey. Since there were no Catholic Churches in the Clearfield county area, their children were baptized at St. Boniface. However, they are buried in the Mahaffey Cemetery. Since all of Charles and Catherine's children left the area, Charles sold the farm and the coal rights to his cousin, Anton Ignatius Kline. This would be the brother of my g-grandfather Louis Klein, Baltzer Klein and John Klein [St. Lawrence.] That family sold the farm and went to California, but retained the coal rights which they later sold for the Miller Valley Coal Company and the Seldom Seen Mine. No one is sure where the name "Seldom Seen" comes from, but it was in use in the 1850s. The newspaper mentioned Dr. Murray from Patton [I think there were three or four of them over the years] as being Catherine Fritzinger Kline's doctor, and Dr. Murray's descendant who has his case books, sent me the notations from the case book about her illness. The train ran from Patton to their farm and mine, so it would be convenient. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: JCTripp <jctripp@charter.net> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com>; pacambri <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:55 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Elder Township School Board Elects St. Boniface School--Kathleen Karney or Carney. She later married one of Charles Klein m Catherine Fritzinger sons. She died in Detroit and her body was returned to St. Boniface to be buried in the local cemetery. Does anyone know anymore or what family she belongs to. ?Marilyn, Could she be Kathleen Kearney? I found her in the 1910 Chest Springs Borough census. Three daughters in this family, all teachers. KEARNEY, Patrick F; age 68; church janitor KEARNEY, Regina H; age 40; wife KEARNEY, Genevieve M; dau; age 23; single; teacher in public School KEARNEY, Kathleen M; dau; age 21; single; teacher in public school KEARNEY, May H; dau; age 19; single; teacher in public school KEARNEY, Francis E; son; age 17 I didn't find Kathleen Carney/Karney in the 1910 census. Regards, Jane Tripp ----- Original Message ----- From: marilyn To: marilynkwash@aol.com ; pacambri@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:39 PM Subject: [PACAMBRI] Elder Township School Board Elects I will copy and post the school teachers for Elder Township and those I have for Susquehanna, Carroll and Hastings. North Cambria News, Friday, July 26, 1907 St. Boniface--Principal--Tena Warner Primary--Ella McMullen Coke Oven--Principal--Dennis Westrick--[Westrick farm is near the school.] --primary--Elizabeth Kline Nagle--John Beck Kirk--Annie Kline Thomas Mills--Felistus Moran Libby--Maud Rhoa North Cambria News, Thursday, July 8, 1910 St. Boniface School--Kathleen Karney or Carney. She later married one of Charles Klein m Catherine Fritzinger sons. She died in Detroit and her body was returned to St. Boniface to be buried in the local cemetery. Does anyone know anymore or what family she belongs to. --Lucy Urban Coke Oven --[also known at various times as Huber/Hoover, Webster, Lanark and/or Smokey Valley]--Dennis Westrick --This school is near the Westrick Farm. --Agnes Kline [engaged to Henry Holtz] Kirk--Elizabeth Kline [sister of Agnes Kline, later became a nun, children of Frank Louis Kline and Catherine Feldum] Swedetown--[also known as Nagle]--Maud Roha Libby--Dennis Strittmatter [son of Aloysius Strittmatter and Sophia Hoover/Huber, m Elizabeth "Libby" Kline] [This would be a 4 mile walk, so he probably stayed across the creek at his uncle, Louis Kline, father of Libby Kline. Thomas Mills--Walter Lamadue - - - - - - - - - -

That is probably the Karney/Carney family I was looking for. Thanks a lot. I thought they came from somewhere towards Allegheny Township or Loretto, and Chest Springs would fit there. However, the Francis listed in the Census is probably the male who married a female Kathleen Kline. I got mixed up. That Charles Kline [Karl Klein] was the first Klein to come from Leimen with the Glasser settlers. Charles Klein was in Eastern Pennslyvania with the Glassers. His original application for Citizenship, the Declaration of Intentions, was filed there. When he came to Cambria County, he filed an official copy of the Declaration [from Luzerne County, I think] in the Cambria County Court. The Kline land is now part the Seldom Seen Tourist Mine and formed part of the Miller Run Mine at one time.. Charles was an illegitimate child, son of Susanna Klein, and a cousin of my family in Leimen, Rhein Pfalz, Germany. The Fritzinger family of his wife, Catherine, came from the same general area in Germany, but first emigrated to St. Mary's, PA. The Charles Kline couple had about 10 children, and only one stayed in this area. That was Mary "Mae" Klein, who married John Jackman [Chachman] who was the manager of the Tannery at Mahaffey. Since there were no Catholic Churches in the Clearfield county area, their children were baptized at St. Boniface. However, they are buried in the Mahaffey Cemetery. Since all of Charles and Catherine's children left the area, Charles sold the farm and the coal rights to his cousin, Anton Ignatius Kline. This would be the brother of my g-grandfather Louis Klein, Baltzer Klein and John Klein [St. Lawrence.] That family sold the farm and went to California, but retained the coal rights which they later sold for the Miller Valley Coal Company and the Seldom Seen Mine. No one is sure where the name "Seldom Seen" comes from, but it was in use in the 1850s. The newspaper mentioned Dr. Murray from Patton [I think there were three or four of them over the years] as being Catherine Fritzinger Kline's doctor, and Dr. Murray's descendant who has his case books, sent me the notations from the case book about her illness. The train ran from Patton to their farm and mine, so it would be convenient. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: JCTripp <jctripp@charter.net> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com>; pacambri <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:55 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Elder Township School Board Elects St. Boniface School--Kathleen Karney or Carney. She later married one of Charles Klein m Catherine Fritzinger sons. She died in Detroit and her body was returned to St. Boniface to be buried in the local cemetery. Does anyone know anymore or what family she belongs to. ?Marilyn, Could she be Kathleen Kearney? I found her in the 1910 Chest Springs Borough census. Three daughters in this family, all teachers. KEARNEY, Patrick F; age 68; church janitor KEARNEY, Regina H; age 40; wife KEARNEY, Genevieve M; dau; age 23; single; teacher in public School KEARNEY, Kathleen M; dau; age 21; single; teacher in public school KEARNEY, May H; dau; age 19; single; teacher in public school KEARNEY, Francis E; son; age 17 I didn't find Kathleen Carney/Karney in the 1910 census. Regards, Jane Tripp ----- Original Message ----- From: marilyn To: marilynkwash@aol.com ; pacambri@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:39 PM Subject: [PACAMBRI] Elder Township School Board Elects I will copy and post the school teachers for Elder Township and those I have for Susquehanna, Carroll and Hastings. North Cambria News, Friday, July 26, 1907 St. Boniface--Principal--Tena Warner Primary--Ella McMullen Coke Oven--Principal--Dennis Westrick--[Westrick farm is near the school.] --primary--Elizabeth Kline Nagle--John Beck Kirk--Annie Kline Thomas Mills--Felistus Moran Libby--Maud Rhoa North Cambria News, Thursday, July 8, 1910 St. Boniface School--Kathleen Karney or Carney. She later married one of Charles Klein m Catherine Fritzinger sons. She died in Detroit and her body was returned to St. Boniface to be buried in the local cemetery. Does anyone know anymore or what family she belongs to. --Lucy Urban Coke Oven --[also known at various times as Huber/Hoover, Webster, Lanark and/or Smokey Valley]--Dennis Westrick --This school is near the Westrick Farm. --Agnes Kline [engaged to Henry Holtz] Kirk--Elizabeth Kline [sister of Agnes Kline, later became a nun, children of Frank Louis Kline and Catherine Feldum] Swedetown--[also known as Nagle]--Maud Roha Libby--Dennis Strittmatter [son of Aloysius Strittmatter and Sophia Hoover/Huber, m Elizabeth "Libby" Kline] [This would be a 4 mile walk, so he probably stayed across the creek at his uncle, Louis Kline, father of Libby Kline. Thomas Mills--Walter Lamadue - - - - - - - - - -

St. Boniface School--Kathleen Karney or Carney. She later married one of Charles Klein m Catherine Fritzinger sons. She died in Detroit and her body was returned to St. Boniface to be buried in the local cemetery. Does anyone know anymore or what family she belongs to. Marilyn, Could she be Kathleen Kearney? I found her in the 1910 Chest Springs Borough census. Three daughters in this family, all teachers. KEARNEY, Patrick F; age 68; church janitor KEARNEY, Regina H; age 40; wife KEARNEY, Genevieve M; dau; age 23; single; teacher in public School KEARNEY, Kathleen M; dau; age 21; single; teacher in public school KEARNEY, May H; dau; age 19; single; teacher in public school KEARNEY, Francis E; son; age 17 I didn't find Kathleen Carney/Karney in the 1910 census. Regards, Jane Tripp ----- Original Message ----- From: marilyn To: marilynkwash@aol.com ; pacambri@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:39 PM Subject: [PACAMBRI] Elder Township School Board Elects I will copy and post the school teachers for Elder Township and those I have for Susquehanna, Carroll and Hastings. North Cambria News, Friday, July 26, 1907 St. Boniface--Principal--Tena Warner Primary--Ella McMullen Coke Oven--Principal--Dennis Westrick--[Westrick farm is near the school.] --primary--Elizabeth Kline Nagle--John Beck Kirk--Annie Kline Thomas Mills--Felistus Moran Libby--Maud Rhoa North Cambria News, Thursday, July 8, 1910 St. Boniface School--Kathleen Karney or Carney. She later married one of Charles Klein m Catherine Fritzinger sons. She died in Detroit and her body was returned to St. Boniface to be buried in the local cemetery. Does anyone know anymore or what family she belongs to. --Lucy Urban Coke Oven --[also known at various times as Huber/Hoover, Webster, Lanark and/or Smokey Valley]--Dennis Westrick --This school is near the Westrick Farm. --Agnes Kline [engaged to Henry Holtz] Kirk--Elizabeth Kline [sister of Agnes Kline, later became a nun, children of Frank Louis Kline and Catherine Feldum] Swedetown--[also known as Nagle]--Maud Roha Libby--Dennis Strittmatter [son of Aloysius Strittmatter and Sophia Hoover/Huber, m Elizabeth "Libby" Kline] [This would be a 4 mile walk, so he probably stayed across the creek at his uncle, Louis Kline, father of Libby Kline. Thomas Mills--Walter Lamadue - - - - - - - - - -

I will copy and post the school teachers for Elder Township and those I have for Susquehanna, Carroll and Hastings. North Cambria News, Friday, July 26, 1907 St. Boniface--Principal--Tena Warner Primary--Ella McMullen Coke Oven--Principal--Dennis Westrick--[Westrick farm is near the school.] --primary--Elizabeth Kline Nagle--John Beck Kirk--Annie Kline Thomas Mills--Felistus Moran Libby--Maud Rhoa North Cambria News, Thursday, July 8, 1910 St. Boniface School--Kathleen Karney or Carney. She later married one of Charles Klein m Catherine Fritzinger sons. She died in Detroit and her body was returned to St. Boniface to be buried in the local cemetery. Does anyone know anymore or what family she belongs to. --Lucy Urban Coke Oven --[also known at various times as Huber/Hoover, Webster, Lanark and/or Smokey Valley]--Dennis Westrick --This school is near the Westrick Farm. --Agnes Kline [engaged to Henry Holtz] Kirk--Elizabeth Kline [sister of Agnes Kline, later became a nun, children of Frank Louis Kline and Catherine Feldum] Swedetown--[also known as Nagle]--Maud Roha Libby--Dennis Strittmatter [son of Aloysius Strittmatter and Sophia Hoover/Huber, m Elizabeth "Libby" Kline] [This would be a 4 mile walk, so he probably stayed across the creek at his uncle, Louis Kline, father of Libby Kline. Thomas Mills--Walter Lamadue

I will copy and post the school teachers for Elder Township and those I have for Susquehanna, Carroll and Hastings. North Cambria News, Friday, July 26, 1907 St. Boniface--Principal--Tena Warner Primary--Ella McMullen Coke Oven--Principal--Dennis Westrick--[Westrick farm is near the school.] --primary--Elizabeth Kline Nagle--John Beck Kirk--Annie Kline Thomas Mills--Felistus Moran Libby--Maud Rhoa North Cambria News, Thursday, July 8, 1910 St. Boniface School--Kathleen Karney or Carney. She later married one of Charles Klein m Catherine Fritzinger sons. She died in Detroit and her body was returned to St. Boniface to be buried in the local cemetery. Does anyone know anymore or what family she belongs to. --Lucy Urban Coke Oven --[also known at various times as Huber/Hoover, Webster, Lanark and/or Smokey Valley]--Dennis Westrick --This school is near the Westrick Farm. --Agnes Kline [engaged to Henry Holtz] Kirk--Elizabeth Kline [sister of Agnes Kline, later became a nun, children of Frank Louis Kline and Catherine Feldum] Swedetown--[also known as Nagle]--Maud Roha Libby--Dennis Strittmatter [son of Aloysius Strittmatter and Sophia Hoover/Huber, m Elizabeth "Libby" Kline] [This would be a 4 mile walk, so he probably stayed across the creek at his uncle, Louis Kline, father of Libby Kline. Thomas Mills--Walter Lamadue

The Biographical Cyclopedia has a Riffle article. I was interested to see that the original Riffle settler in Loretto was a "hatter," which I assume means he made and cleaned and blocked hats for men. The chemicals used had an unfortunate effect on the brain, hence the term "mad as a hatter." Just read it yesterday. I wanted to know about an Elizabeth Riffle from Loretto who married Dr. David Libby and was divorced from him. She supposedly died about 1900. I didn't see her name in the above mentioned article. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Baker, Perry L <Perry.Baker@delta.com> To: 'PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com' <PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com>; 'michael.mertle@comcast.net' <michael.mertle@comcast.net>; 'pjohn685@comcast.net' <pjohn685@comcast.net>; 'jctripp@charter.net' <jctripp@charter.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 3:40 pm Subject: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! Hello, I'm researching a Riffle relative and came across a posting from this group from 2012 so I thought I would give you all a shot. I am searching for the parents of Mary Catherine Riffle/Riffel. I'll try to be as concise as possible but also need to give a few details. She is listed in the 1850 census as Catherine McMullen (born abt 1812 in PA) - wife of Hugh McMullen. From researcher Terry Kruise who chronicled the St. Augustine cemetery her date of death is given as 6/15/1883 at 71 years old. Facts: 1) 1850 census Cambria co Cleafield twp PA #3/3 Hugh McMullin 45 farmer Catherine 38 Rosana 20 Martha I. 18 James 16 Lucy 14 Margaret 10 Matthew I. 8 Francis L. 7 Charles V. 5 Mary C. 2 2) Baptismal listings from the Souvenir of Loretto centenary: McMullen Hugh and Mary Catherine Riffel; James, Lucy, Susan, Jane 1835-1839. Here are some potential leads I am following: 1) Riffle (daughter) of Bernard and Margareta Riffle, 5.20.1811, baptism date 10.4.1812, sponsor Jacob Reuter & Barbara Little from "Conewago Chapel" Edge Grove, Adams County, Pennsylvania Baptism Records, 1790-1890 - - I'm not sure if this is Bernard and Margaret Riffle (first cousin) or Baranabas and Margaret Diffendahl - and I'm not sure of the first name of the daughter either so this is a long shot. 2) John Riffel and Jane Mariner/Marriner - There was a John Riffel (1783/4 - 1852 probably the son of George Riffel who was the son of Matthias Riffle). >From the Souvenir of Loretto - John Riffle was said to be a hatter who lived in Loretto. His wife was Jane Mariner and they relocated from Northumberland PA near Milton to Cambria Pa around 1832. They had a daughter named Catherine but she was 17 on the 1850 census born 1833 so clearly not my Catherine. However John Sr. would have been 29 in 1812 at the time of Mary Catherine's approximate birth. It's not likely he would have had two daughters named Catherine, but I have not completely ruled out that John Riffel "the hatter" and Jane Marriner had an older daughter that was not listed on the 1850 census that moved with her parents to Loretto. I'd have to track down their marriage and baptismal records from Eastern PA. I'm looking for my best options to determine Mary Catherine's parents. Possibly the marriage records for Hugh and Mary Catherine McMullen and baptismal their children? I have not been able to locate John Riffel seniors "the hatter" will yet. I do have a copy of Margarta Diffendahl's will being sent to me but that's another long shot in the hopes that she might mention a daughter Catherine McMullen. None of the Riffle family trees I have seen list a Catherine Riffle born around 1812. Any help in terms of sources, research approaches of knowledge of the Riffle family would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Perry Baker - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Biographical Cyclopedia has a Riffle article. I was interested to see that the original Riffle settler in Loretto was a "hatter," which I assume means he made and cleaned and blocked hats for men. The chemicals used had an unfortunate effect on the brain, hence the term "mad as a hatter." Just read it yesterday. I wanted to know about an Elizabeth Riffle from Loretto who married Dr. David Libby and was divorced from him. She supposedly died about 1900. I didn't see her name in the above mentioned article. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Baker, Perry L <Perry.Baker@delta.com> To: 'PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com' <PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com>; 'michael.mertle@comcast.net' <michael.mertle@comcast.net>; 'pjohn685@comcast.net' <pjohn685@comcast.net>; 'jctripp@charter.net' <jctripp@charter.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 3:40 pm Subject: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! Hello, I'm researching a Riffle relative and came across a posting from this group from 2012 so I thought I would give you all a shot. I am searching for the parents of Mary Catherine Riffle/Riffel. I'll try to be as concise as possible but also need to give a few details. She is listed in the 1850 census as Catherine McMullen (born abt 1812 in PA) - wife of Hugh McMullen. From researcher Terry Kruise who chronicled the St. Augustine cemetery her date of death is given as 6/15/1883 at 71 years old. Facts: 1) 1850 census Cambria co Cleafield twp PA #3/3 Hugh McMullin 45 farmer Catherine 38 Rosana 20 Martha I. 18 James 16 Lucy 14 Margaret 10 Matthew I. 8 Francis L. 7 Charles V. 5 Mary C. 2 2) Baptismal listings from the Souvenir of Loretto centenary: McMullen Hugh and Mary Catherine Riffel; James, Lucy, Susan, Jane 1835-1839. Here are some potential leads I am following: 1) Riffle (daughter) of Bernard and Margareta Riffle, 5.20.1811, baptism date 10.4.1812, sponsor Jacob Reuter & Barbara Little from "Conewago Chapel" Edge Grove, Adams County, Pennsylvania Baptism Records, 1790-1890 - - I'm not sure if this is Bernard and Margaret Riffle (first cousin) or Baranabas and Margaret Diffendahl - and I'm not sure of the first name of the daughter either so this is a long shot. 2) John Riffel and Jane Mariner/Marriner - There was a John Riffel (1783/4 - 1852 probably the son of George Riffel who was the son of Matthias Riffle). >From the Souvenir of Loretto - John Riffle was said to be a hatter who lived in Loretto. His wife was Jane Mariner and they relocated from Northumberland PA near Milton to Cambria Pa around 1832. They had a daughter named Catherine but she was 17 on the 1850 census born 1833 so clearly not my Catherine. However John Sr. would have been 29 in 1812 at the time of Mary Catherine's approximate birth. It's not likely he would have had two daughters named Catherine, but I have not completely ruled out that John Riffel "the hatter" and Jane Marriner had an older daughter that was not listed on the 1850 census that moved with her parents to Loretto. I'd have to track down their marriage and baptismal records from Eastern PA. I'm looking for my best options to determine Mary Catherine's parents. Possibly the marriage records for Hugh and Mary Catherine McMullen and baptismal their children? I have not been able to locate John Riffel seniors "the hatter" will yet. I do have a copy of Margarta Diffendahl's will being sent to me but that's another long shot in the hopes that she might mention a daughter Catherine McMullen. None of the Riffle family trees I have seen list a Catherine Riffle born around 1812. Any help in terms of sources, research approaches of knowledge of the Riffle family would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Perry Baker - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Blair County was not established before about 1842 when the Pennsylvania RR started to build the RR across Pennsylvania and built the Horseshoe Curve over the Allegheny mountains from Altoona [which was established for the purpose] and was finished about 1854. Before about 1842 or so, Huntingdon included Blair County. The Atlas for the two counties is a joint one. Before 1804, when Cambria and Clearfield Counties were established, the northern Cambria area and southern Clearfield area were listed as Frankstown Township, Huntingdon County. This is where you will find the Census listing for 1790 and 1800 for those areas. The area around Loretto in those years is Allegheny Township, Huntingdon County. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Baker, Perry L <Perry.Baker@delta.com> To: 'bdjlk@roadrunner.com' <bdjlk@roadrunner.com>; 'JCTripp' <jctripp@charter.net>; 'pjohn685@comcast.net' <pjohn685@comcast.net>; 'Cambria Co. PACAMBRIA' <PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com>; 'michael.mertle@comcast.net' <michael.mertle@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! Here are some more clues linking some of these families together. More census data on a neighboring Hugh shows that in 1840 a Hugh was living in Fell township Huntingdon which I believe should be Tell township in the same area that the other Hugh came from. They could potentially be cousins - no proof to this, but multiple McMullen/in families were living in the area of Bedford and Huntingdon. The other Hugh that married Catherine had moved to Clearfield TWP Cambria County by 1840. By the census record below this other Hugh married Mary between 1840 and 1850. Now more Riffle links: From the Loretto Souvenir book I know that Jacob Riffle and Catherine Conolly were married in 1817 in St. Michaels. They had a daughter Mary shortly after marriage. They had a son HUGH who was born in 1822 and died in 1823 in Bedford County PA. I'd be curious to see who baby Hugh Riffle's baptismal parents were. This Jacob Riffle is the son of Barnabas Sr. and Margaret Diffendahl. John the Hatter is the son of George James Riffle. Barnabas Sr. and George James are brothers - sons of Matthias. Therefore Jacob who married Catherine Conolly and lived in Bedford County is the first cousin of John the Hatter who relocated from Northumberland to Loretto. The areas where the Riffle's were living in Bedford and the McMullens in Tell Township Huntingdon are not that far apart. Hugh McMullen Age: 46 Birth Year: abt 1804 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home in 1850: Allegheny, Blair, Pennsylvania Gender: Male Family Number: 165 Household Members: Name Age Hugh McMullen 46 Mary McMullen 33 Hugh Mcmullen Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Fell, Huntingdon, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39: 1 Persons Employed in Agriculture: 1 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1 Total Free White Persons: 1 Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 1 I have not researched James M. from Maryland other than to see some newspaper clips showing his name listed in political positions. I'm surprised by the obit stating he came from Maryland to this county with his parents when he was quite young. The first Riffle I recall seeing in Cambria census data is John the Hatters family and they clearly came from Northumberland PA. Perhaps the obit mistook Northumberland for Cumberland MD? Based on his obit age he would have been 13 years old in 1832 when John the Hatter arrived in Loretto from Northumberland. As always I appreciate any and all the insight. Thanks for following my saga. Perry - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Blair County was not established before about 1842 when the Pennsylvania RR started to build the RR across Pennsylvania and built the Horseshoe Curve over the Allegheny mountains from Altoona [which was established for the purpose] and was finished about 1854. Before about 1842 or so, Huntingdon included Blair County. The Atlas for the two counties is a joint one. Before 1804, when Cambria and Clearfield Counties were established, the northern Cambria area and southern Clearfield area were listed as Frankstown Township, Huntingdon County. This is where you will find the Census listing for 1790 and 1800 for those areas. The area around Loretto in those years is Allegheny Township, Huntingdon County. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Baker, Perry L <Perry.Baker@delta.com> To: 'bdjlk@roadrunner.com' <bdjlk@roadrunner.com>; 'JCTripp' <jctripp@charter.net>; 'pjohn685@comcast.net' <pjohn685@comcast.net>; 'Cambria Co. PACAMBRIA' <PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com>; 'michael.mertle@comcast.net' <michael.mertle@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! Here are some more clues linking some of these families together. More census data on a neighboring Hugh shows that in 1840 a Hugh was living in Fell township Huntingdon which I believe should be Tell township in the same area that the other Hugh came from. They could potentially be cousins - no proof to this, but multiple McMullen/in families were living in the area of Bedford and Huntingdon. The other Hugh that married Catherine had moved to Clearfield TWP Cambria County by 1840. By the census record below this other Hugh married Mary between 1840 and 1850. Now more Riffle links: From the Loretto Souvenir book I know that Jacob Riffle and Catherine Conolly were married in 1817 in St. Michaels. They had a daughter Mary shortly after marriage. They had a son HUGH who was born in 1822 and died in 1823 in Bedford County PA. I'd be curious to see who baby Hugh Riffle's baptismal parents were. This Jacob Riffle is the son of Barnabas Sr. and Margaret Diffendahl. John the Hatter is the son of George James Riffle. Barnabas Sr. and George James are brothers - sons of Matthias. Therefore Jacob who married Catherine Conolly and lived in Bedford County is the first cousin of John the Hatter who relocated from Northumberland to Loretto. The areas where the Riffle's were living in Bedford and the McMullens in Tell Township Huntingdon are not that far apart. Hugh McMullen Age: 46 Birth Year: abt 1804 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home in 1850: Allegheny, Blair, Pennsylvania Gender: Male Family Number: 165 Household Members: Name Age Hugh McMullen 46 Mary McMullen 33 Hugh Mcmullen Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Fell, Huntingdon, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39: 1 Persons Employed in Agriculture: 1 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1 Total Free White Persons: 1 Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 1 I have not researched James M. from Maryland other than to see some newspaper clips showing his name listed in political positions. I'm surprised by the obit stating he came from Maryland to this county with his parents when he was quite young. The first Riffle I recall seeing in Cambria census data is John the Hatters family and they clearly came from Northumberland PA. Perhaps the obit mistook Northumberland for Cumberland MD? Based on his obit age he would have been 13 years old in 1832 when John the Hatter arrived in Loretto from Northumberland. As always I appreciate any and all the insight. Thanks for following my saga. Perry - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Around 1900, men baptized Jacob began to use the name James instead of Jacob. This is not universal, but it is very confusing. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Baker, Perry L <Perry.Baker@delta.com> To: Mary MacLeod <crwsggd@sonic.net> Cc: PA List <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! First - thank you so much for all the great information. I'm traveling today but let me share some thoughts and possibly reply later with more details. I have a copy of the marriage record for James D. McMullen and Sarah Nagle. It was obtained by my uncle on the 70s who was a Brother in the Catholic Church and it was transcribed and signed by a priest. We were always perplexed by the fathers name as James. We always assumed it was an error or that his father was Hugh James. I searched for other candidates who could have been James D. father named James who had a wife Catherine who had a son James circa 1834-1836. No matches have been found. Further James D. is closely tied the census family linking his sister Margaret and Elias Barnicle through both the 1890 Hugh obit and the 50th wedding anniversary announcement or the wedding witnesses. These all seemed very tight. I also have his Civil War pension records. Unfortunately no clues on his parents from those just the statement that he was born in Huntingdon County. I have to go back and read them again but I recall his birthdate even varies on those documents which frustrated me because I wanted to nail that down as his christening record shows 1835 the math on the 1850 census yields 1834 and his tombstone shows 1836. Unless another Father named James can be found to match just have to continue to believe the marriage record was not correct. And it only gets tougher after James D. My uncle always assumed the Logan connection but I noticed before his death he began to change the dates to reflect the 1890 death. I agree with your assessment that the 1890 Hugh is not the Hugh if Susan Logan and Sam McMullen. The 1890 Hugh was living next to Matthew and James McMullen on the 1850 census. Matthew and James were the sons of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. Terry Kruise listed their children and I have not validated those documents but he listed the Hugh who died in 1890 as the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe and that lined up well based on the three brothers living next to one another. This is where we linked Hames D. To Hugh to James that married Ann Donoughe. The Souvenir of Loretto is where I think it gets mangled. I also have begun to wonder if Susan Jane was from one of the Hugh's. Susan possibly coming from Sysan Logan and Jane possibly coming from Jane Riffle (Marriner). No proof. I also wonder if Catherine was a Riffle. But I still think she may be. And my link would be to an unnamed female Riffle baptism record from Bedford County. That Riffle family is related to the other Riffle family. And I would not be surprised if all of the McMullens are not linked some how also. My plane is about to take off. More to come on this. Thanks for working with me on this puzzle. Perry Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2013, at 2:49 AM, "Mary MacLeod" <crwsggd@sonic.net<mailto:crwsggd@sonic.net>> wrote: Perry, My grandfather's sister, Josephine (Dunlap) Noel, had two sons who married McMullen daughters of Marcellus McMullen, son of James and Sarah Nagle. I had James as the son of Hugh and Catherine and Hugh as the son of Samuel and Susan. I've been reviewing records I had and looking at records I hadn't previously collected and following the information that you and Linda and Donna have offered. What a gordian knot! It certainly appears that the Hugh married to Catherine is not the son of Samuel. In my review of records, I noticed the following and thought I should send it along to you since you do not have the CVR volumes. I know this will only add to the confusion. CATHOLIC VITAL RECORDS OF CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA, by Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 255, record #5548: MC MULLEN, Jacobus (Jacobus/Cath. Riese, natives of Blair Co., PA) m. 08-25-1857 STB Sarah Anna NAGLE (Joannes/Birgitta Barnacle, natives of Chest Twp.) wi: Elias Barnacle/Margaretha McMullen (St. Benedict, Carrolltown, PA) CEN It's not like the priests never made mistakes in the records. The marriage record for my Dunlap great-grandparents has the bride's given name listed incorrectly. Maybe Fr. Englebrecht wrote James when he meant Hugh because the groom's name was James? Maybe he wrote Riese when it should have been Riffle? But I'm beginning to think that we need to consider that the Catherine married to Hugh may not have been a Riffle. Or that the James married to Sarah Nagle was not the son of Hugh and Catherine. Or both? Here are marriage records for the rest of the Hugh/Catherine children. Obviously Rosanna is the daughter of Hugh and Catherine and I think the Catherine Mary is their youngest, baptized Mary Catherine. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. IV, page 235, record #5058: BARNIKLE, Joannem (Michaelis/Margarethae McKenny), aged 36 m. 06-07 1863 Rosa Anna Mc MULLEN (Hugh/Cath. "McMullen"), aged 30 wi: William Wertz/Sara Anna Noal PAE St. Benedict, Carrolltown, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. V, page 206, record #4725: FEICHT, Georgium m. 10-29-1867 Catharinam Mariam MC MULLEN wi: Joannes Feicht/Helena McMullen "& others" EJB St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. V, page 205, record #4693: MC MULLEN, Carolus V. m. 10-15-1863 Catharina CONRAD wi: Henricus C. Hanigan/Maria C. McMullen JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 360, record #7922: BARNACLE, Elias m. 11-24-1857 Marguerita Cecelia MC MULLEN wi: Joannes McKinzie/Rose Anna McMullen JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 360, record #7910: SWINHART, Jacobus m. 11-25-1856 Martha Johanna MC MULLEN wi: Jacobus McMullen/Maria J. McConnell JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. I could not find marriage records for Susan Jane, Matthew, or Francis J. It is beginning to look to me like Susan Jane McMullen born 10 Aug 1839, with Jacob Riffle as godfather may not be the child of Hugh and Catherine. Hugh and Catherine's daughter Margaret was born only 7 months after Susan. Susan Jane's mother is recorded as Mary rather than Catherine, and with the Riffle godfather she is more likely the daughter of the Hugh and Mary who are in Blair county in 1850 and in Loretto in 1860. If this is so, the Hugh in Tell, Huntingdon in 1840 may not be the same fellow married to Mary. Not sure of any of this. Also notice that the Hugh McMullen and wife Mary living in Loretto in 1860 have one of the Humphries children in their household, so this Mary McMullen may be a Riffle child of John and Jane Mariner Riffle. Her age places her neatly between Nancy and James, no guarantee, but a possibility. I think the Hugh McMullen who died in 1864 is the one married to Mary, but I don't think he is the son of Samuel and Susan McMullen. Last night I found a will for Samuel's daughter, Margaret, the one charged in Samuel's will with taking care of brother John. The will can be accessed at family search under PA Probate records, Cambria County, Wills 1808-1883, vols. 1-3, image 675. The will was written by Margaret on 1 June 1871. She died 6 Aug 1880. The will leaves bequests " share and share alike" to the following relatives: Hugh McMullen, Alexander McMullen, Mary Kelly, Jane Mc Dermitt, Rebecca McMullen, widow of James, and Margaret Morris, wife of Cornelius. She appoints Cornelius Morris as her executor and as trustee for the arrangements made for her brother John. She also gives her household goods, her cow and sheep, and her interest in a lot of ground in Chest Springs that she and Margaret Morris purchased jointly to Margaret Morris. Brother John is to live and be cared for by Cornelius and Margaret Morris with the funds designated for him by Margaret McMullen. The share designated for her brother Hugh is to be invested by the executor and paid to him annually during his lifetime. So clearly Margaret's brother Hugh is still alive in June of 1871 while it appears that Mary's husband Hugh has been interred at St. Michael's in 1864. I have not been able to turn up Hugh, son of Samuel in any census but the 1880 and I almost missed this one: 1880 United States Federal Census Home in 1880: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania Household Members: Edward Little, 46, HOH, m, Carpenter, PA PA PA Jane R. Little, 41, wife, m, Keeping House, PA PA PA Mary E. Little, 12, dau, s, at home, PA PA PA Motilda Little, 10, dau, s, at home, PA PA PA Lawranse Little, 7, son, s, PA PA PA Joseph Little, 5, son, s, PA PA PA Margharet Little, 1, dau, s, PA PA PA Hew Mc Mullin, 77, Boarder, wd, retired Farmer, PA IRE PA Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania; Roll: 1111; Family History Film: 1255111; Page: 383D; Enumeration District: 202; Image: 0055. It must be Samuel's son Hugh who died 21 Jan 1887 and is buried at Loretto, while James' son Hugh died in 1890 and is buried at St. Augustine. So far I haven't figured out who the parents of Hugh married to Mary, possibly the daughter of John Riffle, might be. No marriage records in CVR for any of the Hughs McMullen. I'm still chasing after some other bits, but I think I'll add this chunk to the discussion now. I look forward to all thoughts on this tangle... Mary MacLeod California (with Cambria County roots) On 7/23/2013 11:59 AM, Baker, Perry L wrote: Well Donna, that's a little bit of a troubling find because I've spent a lot of time eliminating the Riffle connection to that Hugh. I wish I could answer this quickly but I think it's better to arm you all with the facts as I know them. There were three Hugh McMullens living in the area with birthdates within 5 years of one another. One was the son of Samuel McMullen and Susan Logan. Another was the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. I do have two of the Hugh's Obits. They have all been intermixed by researchers and there has been a lot of confusion. The first census report you show below from 1860 in Clearfield TWP is for the Hugh McMullen - born 1803 died 1890. CAMBRIA FREEMAN EBENSBURG, PA 7 Feb 1890 Hugh McMullen died at the home of his son-in-law Elias Barnicle, in Clearfield township, on Monday last, aged eighty-seven years and one month. Mr. McMullen was born on the third day of February, 1803, it being the third day of the week, the third day of the month, and the third year in the century. Elias Barnicle married Hugh and Catherine's daughter Margaret. Elias and Margaret were witnesses for the wedding of James (son of Hugh and Catherine) and his wife Sarah Nagle. The facts and Sources: >From the Souvenir of Loretto centenary: McMullen Hugh and Mary Catherine Riffel; James, Lucy, Susan Jane 1835-1839. Census records: 1850 census Cambria co Cleafield twp PA #3/3 Hugh McMullin 45 farmer Catherine 38 Rosana 20 Martha I. 18 James 16 Lucy 14 Margaret 10 Matthew I. 8 Francis L. 7 Charles V. 5 Mary C. 2 1860 census Cambria co Clearfield twp PA #1949/1959 Hugh McMullin 57 Catherine 49 Charles 14 Catherine 12 1880 census Cambria co Clearfield twp PA #10/10 Hugh McMullin 77 Catherine 69 >From researcher Terry Kruise who chronicled the St. Augsutine Cemetery: Mary "Catharine" (Riffle) McMullen, born about 1812, married Hugh McMullen. She died on 15 Jun 1883 at age 71 years, and was buried on 18 Jun 1883 at St. Augustine Cemetery in St. Augustine, Cambria County, PA. Hugh was born on 3 Mar 1803 and died 3 Feb 1890 at age 87. He was buried at St. Augustine on 5 Feb 1890. They do have tombstones there at St. Augustine, but they are a bit worn. Hugh is the son of James & Ann (Donoughue) McMullen >From Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania" ( Albert H. Ledoux, 1996). These were sent to me by another researcher I don’t have a copy of the books. James: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 131, #2786 McMullan, Jacobus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 07-04-1835 BP. 11-10-1837 gp: Joannes Fels/Maria Teresia Fels DAG [St. Michael's] Lucy: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 131, #02787 McMullen, Lucia (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 04-04-1837 BP. 11-10-1837 gp: Joannes Fels/Maria Teresia Fels DAG. Susan Jane: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 141, #02995 McMullan, Susanna Joanna (Hugonis/Mariae) b. 08-10 BP. 8-20-1839 gp: Jacobus Riffle/Maria Riffle DAG. Matthew J.: Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 11, #0193 McMullan, Matthaeus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 12-26-1841 BP. 04-02-1842 gp: Rev. P.H. Lemke/Maria Dearmitt PHL. Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 201, #4955 McMullen, Matthaeus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 12-26-1841 BP. 04-02-1842 gp: Rev. P.H. Lemke/Maria Dearmitt PHL. Charles Vincent: Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 41, #1059 McMullen, Charles Vincent (Hugh/Mary Catherine Riffle) b. 07-23-1846 HPG. The first child listed above is James D. McMullen who married Sarah Nagle (marriage witnessed by Elias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen). Susan Jane is not found in later census reports so she may not have lived long. I have not yet obtained the records for Rosana or Martha listed on the 1850 census. As per the census Rosana was born in 1830 (I've seen other researches quote November 1830 but have not seen the christening record). All of the information up until this point validates that the Hugh that died in 1890 is not the son of Samuel McMullen and Susan Logan but the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. Here is the census report for Hugh and Catherine for 1830. They were together in 1830. By 1840 this Hugh and Catherine had relocated to Clearfield and lived next to his brothers Matthew and James McMullen. Name: Hugh Mc Mullen [Hugh McMullen] Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Tell, Huntingdon, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1 Free White Persons - Under 20: 1 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1 Total Free White Persons: 2 Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 2 This obviously means that they met by 1830. In 1830 John the Hatter was still in Northumberland PA and can be found there on the census reports. The history account states that he does not arrive to Cambria County until 1832. John did have 2 female children under 10 on the 1820 report, but I do not have birth documents for them at this time. As for the other two Hugh's - here is the obit for one of them: FROZEN TO DEATH - Hugh McMullen, a blacksmith by trade, was frozen to death, on Wednesday night, 13th inst., on the road leading from Altoona to Wapsononock, near the latter place. Democratic Standard, Hollidaysburg, Pa., Wednesday, January 27, 1864 The other one died in 1887. Both of these Hugh's who died in 1864 and 1887 are buried in St. Michaels in Loretto. The on-line record indicates that one of them was married to Mary Catherine Riffle. I'm not sure where that came from. The only documented information I know of for the Riffle name connection on Mary Catherine Riffle is from the Souvenir of Loretto records. Also from another researcher - -- IN -- ST. MICHAEL'S PARISH, LORETTO, PA., >From November 17, 1793, to October 10, 1899 M'MULLEN, Hugh (of Samuel) 1801 Jun. 21, 1887 So one of these two other Hugh's is the son of Samuel. Could he have married a Riffle too? Possible but an odd coincidence to say the least. Or did My Hugh McMullen marry a different Mary Catherine (not a Riffle)? That would mean the Loretto books are not correct. I know that's a lot. I'll let you digest all that and look forward to your reply. Thanks, Perry -----Original Message----- From: bdjlk@roadrunner.com<mailto:bdjlk@roadrunner.com> [mailto:bdjlk@roadrunner.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:47 PM To: Baker, Perry L; JCTripp; pjohn685@comcast.net<mailto:pjohn685@comcast.net>; Cambria Co. PACAMBRIA; michael.mertle@comcast.net<mailto:michael.mertle@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! I found the one connection to the John the Hatter Riffel were that these two children had Jacob Riffle as a baptismal sponsor: CVR Volume II, Baptisms of St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa., p. 259: 6230 LITZINGER, Jacobum Montgomery (Daniele / Lydia Joanna Riffle) b. 09-08 bp. 09-23-1849 gp: Jacobo M. Riffle / Maria Dodson JAG CVR Volume I, Baptisms of St. Michael, Loretto, Pa. p. 141: 02995 MC MULLAN, Susanna Joanna (Hugonis / Mariae) b. 08-10 bp. 08-20-1839 gp: Jacobus Riffle / Maria Riffle DAG I'm assuming this Jacob Riffle to be the owner of the Mansion House Hotel in Summitville in this obituary: Cambria Freeman, Ebensburg, Pa., October 14, 1871, p. 3. Obituary. RIFFLE - Died, at Summitville, on Saturday last, after a short illness, Mr. JAMES M. RIFFLE; aged about 52 years. Mr. Riffle came from Maryland to this county with his parents when he was quite young, and for the last thirty-five years he was a resident of Summitville. In his early life he was engaged for a long time in the mercantile business, but eventually purchased the old and well known "Mansion House" hotel, of which he was proprietor for many years prior to his death. He was well and favorably known throughout the county, and indeed throughout the State, and by his kind and genial nature and social disposition won hosts of true friends, who will learn with exceeding regret of his decease in the vigor and fullness of life. May he rest in peace eternal. As Jane mentioned, he can be found on the 1860 Census in Summitville with his wife and a child of John and Margaret (Riffle) Humphries, John W. Humphries. His mother Jane is a widow, living next door, with his brother-in-law John Humphries and another nephew. Here is the clincher and the big question mark. Assuming Hugh McMullen and Mary Catherine Riffel was this child's baptismal sponsors: CVR Volume II, Baptisms of St. Aloysius Gonzaga, Summit, Pa., p. 194: 4781 HUMPHREYS, Jacobum Riffle (Joanne / Margarita Riffle) b. 04-08 bp. 04-21-1849 gp: Hugo McMullen / Maria McMullen PD Why is John Humphries living with another Hugh and Maria McMullen on the 1860 Census in Loretto, while Hugh McMullen and Catherine are living in Clearfield township? Two Hugh McMullens married Riffles? 1860 Census Clearfield Twp., Cambria Hugh McMullin 57 Laborer 250 Pa Catharine (Riffel) McMullin 49 Pa Charles McMullin 14 Pa Catharine McMullin 12 Pa 1860 Census Loretto Borough, Cambria Hugh McMullen 55 Laborer 300 Pa Mary McMullen 45 Pa James Humphries 10 Pa Anyone know who Maria or Mary McMullen wife of the second Hugh is? or who the second Hugh is? 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Around 1900, men baptized Jacob began to use the name James instead of Jacob. This is not universal, but it is very confusing. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Baker, Perry L <Perry.Baker@delta.com> To: Mary MacLeod <crwsggd@sonic.net> Cc: PA List <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! First - thank you so much for all the great information. I'm traveling today but let me share some thoughts and possibly reply later with more details. I have a copy of the marriage record for James D. McMullen and Sarah Nagle. It was obtained by my uncle on the 70s who was a Brother in the Catholic Church and it was transcribed and signed by a priest. We were always perplexed by the fathers name as James. We always assumed it was an error or that his father was Hugh James. I searched for other candidates who could have been James D. father named James who had a wife Catherine who had a son James circa 1834-1836. No matches have been found. Further James D. is closely tied the census family linking his sister Margaret and Elias Barnicle through both the 1890 Hugh obit and the 50th wedding anniversary announcement or the wedding witnesses. These all seemed very tight. I also have his Civil War pension records. Unfortunately no clues on his parents from those just the statement that he was born in Huntingdon County. I have to go back and read them again but I recall his birthdate even varies on those documents which frustrated me because I wanted to nail that down as his christening record shows 1835 the math on the 1850 census yields 1834 and his tombstone shows 1836. Unless another Father named James can be found to match just have to continue to believe the marriage record was not correct. And it only gets tougher after James D. My uncle always assumed the Logan connection but I noticed before his death he began to change the dates to reflect the 1890 death. I agree with your assessment that the 1890 Hugh is not the Hugh if Susan Logan and Sam McMullen. The 1890 Hugh was living next to Matthew and James McMullen on the 1850 census. Matthew and James were the sons of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. Terry Kruise listed their children and I have not validated those documents but he listed the Hugh who died in 1890 as the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe and that lined up well based on the three brothers living next to one another. This is where we linked Hames D. To Hugh to James that married Ann Donoughe. The Souvenir of Loretto is where I think it gets mangled. I also have begun to wonder if Susan Jane was from one of the Hugh's. Susan possibly coming from Sysan Logan and Jane possibly coming from Jane Riffle (Marriner). No proof. I also wonder if Catherine was a Riffle. But I still think she may be. And my link would be to an unnamed female Riffle baptism record from Bedford County. That Riffle family is related to the other Riffle family. And I would not be surprised if all of the McMullens are not linked some how also. My plane is about to take off. More to come on this. Thanks for working with me on this puzzle. Perry Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2013, at 2:49 AM, "Mary MacLeod" <crwsggd@sonic.net<mailto:crwsggd@sonic.net>> wrote: Perry, My grandfather's sister, Josephine (Dunlap) Noel, had two sons who married McMullen daughters of Marcellus McMullen, son of James and Sarah Nagle. I had James as the son of Hugh and Catherine and Hugh as the son of Samuel and Susan. I've been reviewing records I had and looking at records I hadn't previously collected and following the information that you and Linda and Donna have offered. What a gordian knot! It certainly appears that the Hugh married to Catherine is not the son of Samuel. In my review of records, I noticed the following and thought I should send it along to you since you do not have the CVR volumes. I know this will only add to the confusion. CATHOLIC VITAL RECORDS OF CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA, by Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 255, record #5548: MC MULLEN, Jacobus (Jacobus/Cath. Riese, natives of Blair Co., PA) m. 08-25-1857 STB Sarah Anna NAGLE (Joannes/Birgitta Barnacle, natives of Chest Twp.) wi: Elias Barnacle/Margaretha McMullen (St. Benedict, Carrolltown, PA) CEN It's not like the priests never made mistakes in the records. The marriage record for my Dunlap great-grandparents has the bride's given name listed incorrectly. Maybe Fr. Englebrecht wrote James when he meant Hugh because the groom's name was James? Maybe he wrote Riese when it should have been Riffle? But I'm beginning to think that we need to consider that the Catherine married to Hugh may not have been a Riffle. Or that the James married to Sarah Nagle was not the son of Hugh and Catherine. Or both? Here are marriage records for the rest of the Hugh/Catherine children. Obviously Rosanna is the daughter of Hugh and Catherine and I think the Catherine Mary is their youngest, baptized Mary Catherine. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. IV, page 235, record #5058: BARNIKLE, Joannem (Michaelis/Margarethae McKenny), aged 36 m. 06-07 1863 Rosa Anna Mc MULLEN (Hugh/Cath. "McMullen"), aged 30 wi: William Wertz/Sara Anna Noal PAE St. Benedict, Carrolltown, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. V, page 206, record #4725: FEICHT, Georgium m. 10-29-1867 Catharinam Mariam MC MULLEN wi: Joannes Feicht/Helena McMullen "& others" EJB St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. V, page 205, record #4693: MC MULLEN, Carolus V. m. 10-15-1863 Catharina CONRAD wi: Henricus C. Hanigan/Maria C. McMullen JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 360, record #7922: BARNACLE, Elias m. 11-24-1857 Marguerita Cecelia MC MULLEN wi: Joannes McKinzie/Rose Anna McMullen JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, Rev. A. Ledoux, Vol. III, page 360, record #7910: SWINHART, Jacobus m. 11-25-1856 Martha Johanna MC MULLEN wi: Jacobus McMullen/Maria J. McConnell JBS St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa. I could not find marriage records for Susan Jane, Matthew, or Francis J. It is beginning to look to me like Susan Jane McMullen born 10 Aug 1839, with Jacob Riffle as godfather may not be the child of Hugh and Catherine. Hugh and Catherine's daughter Margaret was born only 7 months after Susan. Susan Jane's mother is recorded as Mary rather than Catherine, and with the Riffle godfather she is more likely the daughter of the Hugh and Mary who are in Blair county in 1850 and in Loretto in 1860. If this is so, the Hugh in Tell, Huntingdon in 1840 may not be the same fellow married to Mary. Not sure of any of this. Also notice that the Hugh McMullen and wife Mary living in Loretto in 1860 have one of the Humphries children in their household, so this Mary McMullen may be a Riffle child of John and Jane Mariner Riffle. Her age places her neatly between Nancy and James, no guarantee, but a possibility. I think the Hugh McMullen who died in 1864 is the one married to Mary, but I don't think he is the son of Samuel and Susan McMullen. Last night I found a will for Samuel's daughter, Margaret, the one charged in Samuel's will with taking care of brother John. The will can be accessed at family search under PA Probate records, Cambria County, Wills 1808-1883, vols. 1-3, image 675. The will was written by Margaret on 1 June 1871. She died 6 Aug 1880. The will leaves bequests " share and share alike" to the following relatives: Hugh McMullen, Alexander McMullen, Mary Kelly, Jane Mc Dermitt, Rebecca McMullen, widow of James, and Margaret Morris, wife of Cornelius. She appoints Cornelius Morris as her executor and as trustee for the arrangements made for her brother John. She also gives her household goods, her cow and sheep, and her interest in a lot of ground in Chest Springs that she and Margaret Morris purchased jointly to Margaret Morris. Brother John is to live and be cared for by Cornelius and Margaret Morris with the funds designated for him by Margaret McMullen. The share designated for her brother Hugh is to be invested by the executor and paid to him annually during his lifetime. So clearly Margaret's brother Hugh is still alive in June of 1871 while it appears that Mary's husband Hugh has been interred at St. Michael's in 1864. I have not been able to turn up Hugh, son of Samuel in any census but the 1880 and I almost missed this one: 1880 United States Federal Census Home in 1880: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania Household Members: Edward Little, 46, HOH, m, Carpenter, PA PA PA Jane R. Little, 41, wife, m, Keeping House, PA PA PA Mary E. Little, 12, dau, s, at home, PA PA PA Motilda Little, 10, dau, s, at home, PA PA PA Lawranse Little, 7, son, s, PA PA PA Joseph Little, 5, son, s, PA PA PA Margharet Little, 1, dau, s, PA PA PA Hew Mc Mullin, 77, Boarder, wd, retired Farmer, PA IRE PA Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania; Roll: 1111; Family History Film: 1255111; Page: 383D; Enumeration District: 202; Image: 0055. It must be Samuel's son Hugh who died 21 Jan 1887 and is buried at Loretto, while James' son Hugh died in 1890 and is buried at St. Augustine. So far I haven't figured out who the parents of Hugh married to Mary, possibly the daughter of John Riffle, might be. No marriage records in CVR for any of the Hughs McMullen. I'm still chasing after some other bits, but I think I'll add this chunk to the discussion now. I look forward to all thoughts on this tangle... Mary MacLeod California (with Cambria County roots) On 7/23/2013 11:59 AM, Baker, Perry L wrote: Well Donna, that's a little bit of a troubling find because I've spent a lot of time eliminating the Riffle connection to that Hugh. I wish I could answer this quickly but I think it's better to arm you all with the facts as I know them. There were three Hugh McMullens living in the area with birthdates within 5 years of one another. One was the son of Samuel McMullen and Susan Logan. Another was the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. I do have two of the Hugh's Obits. They have all been intermixed by researchers and there has been a lot of confusion. The first census report you show below from 1860 in Clearfield TWP is for the Hugh McMullen - born 1803 died 1890. CAMBRIA FREEMAN EBENSBURG, PA 7 Feb 1890 Hugh McMullen died at the home of his son-in-law Elias Barnicle, in Clearfield township, on Monday last, aged eighty-seven years and one month. Mr. McMullen was born on the third day of February, 1803, it being the third day of the week, the third day of the month, and the third year in the century. Elias Barnicle married Hugh and Catherine's daughter Margaret. Elias and Margaret were witnesses for the wedding of James (son of Hugh and Catherine) and his wife Sarah Nagle. The facts and Sources: >From the Souvenir of Loretto centenary: McMullen Hugh and Mary Catherine Riffel; James, Lucy, Susan Jane 1835-1839. Census records: 1850 census Cambria co Cleafield twp PA #3/3 Hugh McMullin 45 farmer Catherine 38 Rosana 20 Martha I. 18 James 16 Lucy 14 Margaret 10 Matthew I. 8 Francis L. 7 Charles V. 5 Mary C. 2 1860 census Cambria co Clearfield twp PA #1949/1959 Hugh McMullin 57 Catherine 49 Charles 14 Catherine 12 1880 census Cambria co Clearfield twp PA #10/10 Hugh McMullin 77 Catherine 69 >From researcher Terry Kruise who chronicled the St. Augsutine Cemetery: Mary "Catharine" (Riffle) McMullen, born about 1812, married Hugh McMullen. She died on 15 Jun 1883 at age 71 years, and was buried on 18 Jun 1883 at St. Augustine Cemetery in St. Augustine, Cambria County, PA. Hugh was born on 3 Mar 1803 and died 3 Feb 1890 at age 87. He was buried at St. Augustine on 5 Feb 1890. They do have tombstones there at St. Augustine, but they are a bit worn. Hugh is the son of James & Ann (Donoughue) McMullen >From Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania" ( Albert H. Ledoux, 1996). These were sent to me by another researcher I don’t have a copy of the books. James: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 131, #2786 McMullan, Jacobus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 07-04-1835 BP. 11-10-1837 gp: Joannes Fels/Maria Teresia Fels DAG [St. Michael's] Lucy: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 131, #02787 McMullen, Lucia (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 04-04-1837 BP. 11-10-1837 gp: Joannes Fels/Maria Teresia Fels DAG. Susan Jane: Ledoux CVR, Vol. I, p. 141, #02995 McMullan, Susanna Joanna (Hugonis/Mariae) b. 08-10 BP. 8-20-1839 gp: Jacobus Riffle/Maria Riffle DAG. Matthew J.: Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 11, #0193 McMullan, Matthaeus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 12-26-1841 BP. 04-02-1842 gp: Rev. P.H. Lemke/Maria Dearmitt PHL. Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 201, #4955 McMullen, Matthaeus (Hugonis/Catharinae) b. 12-26-1841 BP. 04-02-1842 gp: Rev. P.H. Lemke/Maria Dearmitt PHL. Charles Vincent: Ledoux CVR, Vol. II, p. 41, #1059 McMullen, Charles Vincent (Hugh/Mary Catherine Riffle) b. 07-23-1846 HPG. The first child listed above is James D. McMullen who married Sarah Nagle (marriage witnessed by Elias Barnicle and Margaret McMullen). Susan Jane is not found in later census reports so she may not have lived long. I have not yet obtained the records for Rosana or Martha listed on the 1850 census. As per the census Rosana was born in 1830 (I've seen other researches quote November 1830 but have not seen the christening record). All of the information up until this point validates that the Hugh that died in 1890 is not the son of Samuel McMullen and Susan Logan but the son of James McMullen and Ann Donoughe. Here is the census report for Hugh and Catherine for 1830. They were together in 1830. By 1840 this Hugh and Catherine had relocated to Clearfield and lived next to his brothers Matthew and James McMullen. Name: Hugh Mc Mullen [Hugh McMullen] Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Tell, Huntingdon, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1 Free White Persons - Under 20: 1 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1 Total Free White Persons: 2 Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 2 This obviously means that they met by 1830. In 1830 John the Hatter was still in Northumberland PA and can be found there on the census reports. The history account states that he does not arrive to Cambria County until 1832. John did have 2 female children under 10 on the 1820 report, but I do not have birth documents for them at this time. As for the other two Hugh's - here is the obit for one of them: FROZEN TO DEATH - Hugh McMullen, a blacksmith by trade, was frozen to death, on Wednesday night, 13th inst., on the road leading from Altoona to Wapsononock, near the latter place. Democratic Standard, Hollidaysburg, Pa., Wednesday, January 27, 1864 The other one died in 1887. Both of these Hugh's who died in 1864 and 1887 are buried in St. Michaels in Loretto. The on-line record indicates that one of them was married to Mary Catherine Riffle. I'm not sure where that came from. The only documented information I know of for the Riffle name connection on Mary Catherine Riffle is from the Souvenir of Loretto records. Also from another researcher - -- IN -- ST. MICHAEL'S PARISH, LORETTO, PA., >From November 17, 1793, to October 10, 1899 M'MULLEN, Hugh (of Samuel) 1801 Jun. 21, 1887 So one of these two other Hugh's is the son of Samuel. Could he have married a Riffle too? Possible but an odd coincidence to say the least. Or did My Hugh McMullen marry a different Mary Catherine (not a Riffle)? That would mean the Loretto books are not correct. I know that's a lot. I'll let you digest all that and look forward to your reply. Thanks, Perry -----Original Message----- From: bdjlk@roadrunner.com<mailto:bdjlk@roadrunner.com> [mailto:bdjlk@roadrunner.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:47 PM To: Baker, Perry L; JCTripp; pjohn685@comcast.net<mailto:pjohn685@comcast.net>; Cambria Co. PACAMBRIA; michael.mertle@comcast.net<mailto:michael.mertle@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Riffle research help! I found the one connection to the John the Hatter Riffel were that these two children had Jacob Riffle as a baptismal sponsor: CVR Volume II, Baptisms of St. Augustine, St. Augustine, Pa., p. 259: 6230 LITZINGER, Jacobum Montgomery (Daniele / Lydia Joanna Riffle) b. 09-08 bp. 09-23-1849 gp: Jacobo M. Riffle / Maria Dodson JAG CVR Volume I, Baptisms of St. Michael, Loretto, Pa. p. 141: 02995 MC MULLAN, Susanna Joanna (Hugonis / Mariae) b. 08-10 bp. 08-20-1839 gp: Jacobus Riffle / Maria Riffle DAG I'm assuming this Jacob Riffle to be the owner of the Mansion House Hotel in Summitville in this obituary: Cambria Freeman, Ebensburg, Pa., October 14, 1871, p. 3. Obituary. RIFFLE - Died, at Summitville, on Saturday last, after a short illness, Mr. JAMES M. RIFFLE; aged about 52 years. Mr. Riffle came from Maryland to this county with his parents when he was quite young, and for the last thirty-five years he was a resident of Summitville. In his early life he was engaged for a long time in the mercantile business, but eventually purchased the old and well known "Mansion House" hotel, of which he was proprietor for many years prior to his death. He was well and favorably known throughout the county, and indeed throughout the State, and by his kind and genial nature and social disposition won hosts of true friends, who will learn with exceeding regret of his decease in the vigor and fullness of life. May he rest in peace eternal. As Jane mentioned, he can be found on the 1860 Census in Summitville with his wife and a child of John and Margaret (Riffle) Humphries, John W. Humphries. His mother Jane is a widow, living next door, with his brother-in-law John Humphries and another nephew. Here is the clincher and the big question mark. Assuming Hugh McMullen and Mary Catherine Riffel was this child's baptismal sponsors: CVR Volume II, Baptisms of St. Aloysius Gonzaga, Summit, Pa., p. 194: 4781 HUMPHREYS, Jacobum Riffle (Joanne / Margarita Riffle) b. 04-08 bp. 04-21-1849 gp: Hugo McMullen / Maria McMullen PD Why is John Humphries living with another Hugh and Maria McMullen on the 1860 Census in Loretto, while Hugh McMullen and Catherine are living in Clearfield township? Two Hugh McMullens married Riffles? 1860 Census Clearfield Twp., Cambria Hugh McMullin 57 Laborer 250 Pa Catharine (Riffel) McMullin 49 Pa Charles McMullin 14 Pa Catharine McMullin 12 Pa 1860 Census Loretto Borough, Cambria Hugh McMullen 55 Laborer 300 Pa Mary McMullen 45 Pa James Humphries 10 Pa Anyone know who Maria or Mary McMullen wife of the second Hugh is? or who the second Hugh is? 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Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> To: marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:35 pm Subject: Re: The Young Family: Englebert and Rose Feighner Young Just printed and read the info. Rose's mother was Sophia Ebig and she was born in Munichweiler, Baden and didn't come to the US till she was 15. Some of the family descendants say she --Sophia-- never spoke English, but my mom, Helena Feighner, her granddaughter, said she did speak English. Mom didn't know her long, but Sophia lived with in the same farm house with them, so I suppose Mom would know. Sophia was the mother of 13 children [oldest and two youngest died] so I imagine she would have had to learn English. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> To: belin104 <belin104@verizon.net>; marilynkwash <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: The Young Family: Englebert and Rose Feighner Young Thank you so much, that is the right one. As soon as I saw "Englebert" I remembered he was known as "Bert." I had forgotten that. It will be 10 years this month my mother died and I still keep saying, "I'll ask Mom." Rose was her niece and mom remembered everything. When we went on trips I would set the tape recorder and ask her questions. All it needed was a reminder and off she went. Looks like Roe had another child that Mom didn't know about. Thanks so much. Why do I recognize your name? Did I correspond with you before? Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Belin <belin104@verizon.net> To: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> Cc: pacambri <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:18 am Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] The Young Family I think the following is a better fit for Rose Young. Data from 1940 census. Name: Rose Young Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Gender: Female Race: White Birthplace: Pennsylvania Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Wife Home in 1940: Chicago, Cook, Illinois Map of Home in 1940: View Map Street: Mildred Avenue House Number: 2650 Inferred Residence in 1935: Chicago, Cook, Illinois Residence in 1935: Same House Sheet Number: 8B Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade Weeks Worked in 1939: 0 Income: 0 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Engelbert Young 64 Rose Young 54 Orville Young 22 Leroy Young 20 Walter Young 14 Data from 1920 census. Name: Rose Young Age: 34 Birth Year: abt 1886 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home in 1920: Patton, Cambria, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Englbert Young Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania Mother's Birthplace: United States [United States of America] Actually Munichweiler, Baden, em age 15. Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Englbert Young 45 Rose Young 34 Harry Young 8 Leonia Young 6 Orvil Young 1 [1 9/12] Leroy Young 0 [0/12] I have no connection with this family. I just looked up the census data. Steve Belin On Sep 29, 2013, at 4:53 PM, marilyn wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking for help to find my grandfather Ambrose A. Feighner's sister, Rose's, married name. She was Rose Feighner, daughter of Charles and Sophia [Ebig] Feighner. Mother had a picture of her and her children. Mother [Helena Feighner Kline Hite] said Rose was married to a Young, she thought the first name might be Tom.[No, Englebert called "Bert." He was an insurance agent in Patton and was the brother of the Mr. Young who was in charge of the Patton Bank. Mother said they moved to Chicago and didn't return very often to visit. The picture shows Rose in one of the floor length tight waisted dresses and big hats common in the 1890s, with three children [one daughter and two sons, I think]. I no longer have the picture.

Hi to the List In going over the 1870 census on the Cambria pages I noticed all the X's for Deaf. Surely all those males are not deaf. Can anyone explain that to me. Thanks Mary

This may be the correct Rose Young. Data from 1940 census. Name: Rose Young Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Gender: Female Race: White Birthplace: Pennsylvania Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Wife Home in 1940: Chicago, Cook, Illinois Street: Mildred Avenue House Number: 2650 Inferred Residence in 1935: Chicago, Cook, Illinois Residence in 1935: Same House Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade Weeks Worked in 1939: 0 Income: 0 Income Other Sources: No Household Members: Name Age Englbert Young 64 Rose Young 54 Orville Young 22 Leroy Young 20 Walter Young 14 Data from 1920 census. Name:Rose Young Age:34 Birth Year:abt 1886 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home in 1920:Patton, Cambria, Pennsylvania Race:White Gender:Female Relation to Head of House:Wife Marital Status:Married Spouse's Name: Englbert Young Father's Birthplace:Pennsylvania Mother's Birthplace: United States Able to read:Yes Able to Write:Yes Household Members: Name Age Englbert Young 45 Rose Young 34 Harry Young 8 Leonia Young 6 Orvil Young 1 9/12 Leroy Young 0/12 I have no connection with this family. I just looked up the census data. Steve Belin

Cambria Marriages list 1910 YOUNG, Engelbert to FEIGHNER, Rose In 1920 they lived in Patton with children: Harry, Leona, Orville, Leroy, (all born in PA) In 1930 and 1940 living in Chicago, Illinois children: Harry, Leona, Orville, Leroy, and Walter (Walter born in Illinois) -----Original Message----- From: pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marilyn Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 10:00 PM To: jlloyd1@frontiernet.net; pacambri@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] The Young Family Thanks, I have no idea where the children were born or when Rose Feighner Young moved to Illinois, but she was born in Pennsylvania, not Illinois. The mother-in-law here is McHugh, not Feighner. So this cannot be the correct person. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Jerrald Lloyd <jlloyd1@frontiernet.net> To: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2013 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] The Young Family Rose Young in household of Howard Young, "United States Census, 1940" Name: Rose Young Titles and Terms: Event Type: Census Event Date: 1940 Event Place: Ward 6, Chicago, Chicago City, Cook, Illinois, United States Gender: Female Age: 40 Marital Status: Married Race (Original): White Race: White Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Wife Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Birthplace: Illinois Birth Year (Estimated): 1900 Last Place of Residence: Same Place District: 103-398 Family Number: 165 Sheet Number and Letter: 6B Line Number: 53 Affiliate Publication Number: T627 Affiliate Film Number: 933 Digital Folder Number: 005459674 Image Number: 00657 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head Howard Young M 44 Illinois Wife Rose Young F 40 Illinois Son James Young M 17 Illinois Son Thomas Young M 10 Illinois Daughter Carol Young F 7 Illinois Mother-in-law Ann Mchugh F 66 Illinois Sources Attach to Family Tree Add to My Source Box Go to My Source Box Share View image Save image Search collection About this collection Citing this Record -------------------------------------------------- From: "marilyn" <marilynkwash@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:53 PM To: <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PACAMBRI] The Young Family > > Hi everyone, > I am looking for help to find my grandfather Ambrose A. Feighner's > sister, Rose's, married name. She was Rose Feighner, daughter of > Charles and Sophia [Ebig] Feighner. Mother had a picture of her and > her children. Mother [Helena Feighner Kline Hite] said Rose was > married to a Young, she thought the first name might be Tom. He was > an insurance agent in Patton and was the brother of the Mr. Young who was in charge of > the Patton Bank. Mother said they moved to Chicago and didn't return > very often to visit. > The picture shows Rose in one of the tight waisted dresses and > big hats common in the 1890s, with three children [one son and two > daughters, I think]. I no longer have the picture. > > Here is an obit of a William H. Young, who was superintendent of > the J. E. Reiley Coal Company. I assume this is the mine between > Patton and Carrolltown. I don't know if he is any connection to the > family I am looking for. > > WILLIAM YOUNG DIES AT SPANGLER North Cambria News, Hastings, February > 1, > 1934 > > William H. Young, retired mine superintendent for the J. E. > Reiley Coal company, of Spangler, died after a four-year illness at > his home in Spangler Sunday afternoon, He was a former resident of > this place and was > 68 years of age. > > Mr. Young was the son of Andrew and Rose [Buck] Young. He > retired four years ago after serving the coal company 30 years. > > Surviving are his widow, Mrs. Margaret [McCormick] Young, and > these > children: > Mrs. Mark Hassinger, and > Miss Claire Young, of Indiana; > John Young, and instructor in the Clairton High School: > William Young, of Butler; > Miss Louise Young, a registered nurse of the Mercy Hospital, > Baltimore, Md.; Miss Evelyn Young, a student nurse in the same > institution; and Kathleen, Esther, and Josephine Young, all at home. > He also leaves these brothers: > Frank Young, of Pittsburg; > James Young, of Hastings, and > George Young, of Elmira, N.Y., > And four sisters: > Mrs. Margaret Kirk, > Mrs. Frank Gill [Rose], and > Mrs Charles Yeager [Agnes], of Hastings; and Mrs. H. J. Lantzy, of > Spangler. Three grandchildren survive. > Funeral servives were conducted Wednesday morning at 9 o'clock > with a high mass of requiem in St. Edward's Church, Barnesboro. > Interment was in St. Benedict's Cemetery, Carrolltown. > > > Note: Any information would be appreciated. > > Marilyn Kline Washington > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message