Indiana BABULA, Robert Leo SSGT 7 Mar 1947 - 7 Nov 1974 Body Not Recovered

Indiana BEM, Walter Paul PFC 6 Aug 1950 - 30 Apr 1969 St. Bernard Cemetery, Indiana

I was on a website, www.virtualwall.org, for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. I've never been to the Wall in Washington DC but did see the traveling wall several years ago when it came to Columbus, Ohio. Located the sections which listed two second cousins who were killed there. My dad was in the Air Force and we lived in fear of his being shipped there. Did have several cousins and spouses of cousins who served there, along with friends in the Air Force. I remember mom subscribing to the Air Force Times and checking the casualty/missing in action/POW lists in every issue. As this was pre-internet and long distance phone calls were expensive, mom was always writing or receiving letters. Then when the POWs were released and started coming home, watching the news to see if we recognized any of the men. On the Virtual Wall memorial, Pennsylvania has 3148 names for military personnel killed. The list is broken down by town, so I went through and selected all the towns in Cambria county and immediate surrounding areas, for 99 names. Of these, identified 21 men as buried in various Cambria county cemeteries. For my two cousins, one is buried in Indiana county and the other isn't listed on the Cambria county website, although I have him in the St. Benedict cemetery listing I'm working in. I know not all the men are buried in Cambria county, but a majority of them should be. Each of the names can be looked up on the Virtual Wall website, to obtain their birth/death dates, cause of death, and unit information, but unless the family made a separate memorial page on the web, don't know where they are buried. The Cambria County website has two directories for checking names. I went through the Cemeteries listing, which includes an alphabetical listing of the over 100,000 individuals currently listed as buried in Cambria county. The Obituary Index is listing of individuals for which obituaries are currently available or identifies in which newspaper an obituary can be located. I did a check for the first man on the list, PFC Dennis Ayers, and while he has a cemetery record, there is no obituary. Do you have any of these men who made the ultimate sacrifice for our country listed in your records? These 75 men need to have their final resting places identified, whether in Cambria county or a nearby county, and each man should have his obituary listed. Veterans Day is in 3 weeks. Suggest a separate email with an individual's name for each soldier. How many men can we honor in this time period? East Conemaugh AYERS, Dennis Michael 31 Aug 1948 22 Dec 1968 PFC Forest Lawn, Conemaugh Cresson BECK, James Robert 1948 1968 CPL St Francis Xavier, Cresson Lilly BRADLEY, John Allan 1947 1968 LCPL St Francis Xavier, Cresson Ebensburg COLEMAN, Peter Michael 26 Oct 1944 31 Jan 1968 PFC Lloyd, Cambria (Ebensburg) Johnstown DORCHAK, George Robert 2 Jan 1948 7 Sep 1968 SP4 Grandview, Johnstown Indiana FYOCK, Terry Louis 9 May 1943 3 Jun 1968 SP4 Forest Lawn, Conemaugh Conemaugh GAY, Gary Paul 1941 1966 A1C Richland, Richland Johnstown HAGINS, Grey Lynn 29 Mar 1949 12 Jun 1969 SP4 Forest Lawn, Conemaugh Gallitzin HANLON, Martin Joseph 28 May 1950 27 Dec 1970 PVT St Michael, Allegheny (Loretto) South Fork HUNTER, Donald Eugene 27 Jun 1948 1 May 1968 PFC Dunmyer, Adams Spangler KIRSCH, Warren Michael 3 Feb 1948 7 May 1968 SP4 St Nicholas, Barr (Nicktown) Johnstown LYDIC, David Allen 8 Sep 1953 10 May 1972 PFC Forest Lawn, Conemaugh Barnesboro MARISKANISH, Charles Edward 7 Dec 1948 9 May 1968 HM3 Cameron's Bottom, Heilwood *** Conemaugh PERUSO, Lawrence David 13 Aug 1948 28 Mar 1969 HM3 St Anthony, Richland Johnstown SCAIFE, Kenneth Doyle 1953 1973 SA Pike Brethren, Jackson Cresson SHERW00D, Robert James, Jr. 5 Sep 1947 3 Apr 1967 CPL Lloyd, Cambria (Ebensburg) Johnstown SICKLES, James Arthur 16 Apr 1949 15 Sep 1969 HM3 Lloyd, Cambria (Ebensburg) Johnstown SIEGRIST, Wilbur Jerry 15 Jan 1949 9 Jan 1969 PFC Richland, Richland Hastings SRAL, Leonard Walter 1943 15 Nov 1965 PFC St Bernard, Elder (Hastings) Portage SWANHART, Russell James 21 May 1948 12 Sep 1967 LCPL Assumption of the BVM, Portage Portage TOMASKO, Damiam Thomas 1947 1969 1LT Sacred Heart, Portage Johnstown VALENTINE, James Russell 7 Feb 1947 8 May 1967 LCPL Forest Lawn, Conemaugh Carrolltown YECKLEY, Cyril Thomas 20 Oct 1945 13 Mar 1969 PFC St Benedict, Carroll (Carrolltown) *** Johnstown ALAIMO, John Charles SGT Indiana BABULA, Robert Leo SSGT Indiana BEM, Walter Paul PFC Johnstown BERKEBILE, Jack LT Altoona BIANCONI, Nicholas Charles CPL St Benedict BILKO, Timothy James PFC Johnstown BLADEK, John Emery SGT Tyrone BRADFORD, Leonard Edward CPL Altoona BRANTNER, Wayne Eugene LCPL Indiana BROWN, James Frederick PFC Summit BRUBAKER, Joseph Harold, Jr. CPL Barnesboro BUZA, Frederick Andrew 1LT Tyrone CAFFARELLI, Charles Joseph CAPT Johnstown CALLAHAN, Raymond W., Jr. CPT Altoona CANCILLA, Nicholas GMG3 Johnstown CARDIFF, Thomas Nathaniel, Jr. LCPL Altoona CAREY, James Edward LCPL Johnstown CARNEY, John Charles SP4 Altoona CAROTHERS, Cecil Wayne HM2 Altoona CLAPPER, Gean Preston CMSGT Altoona CLAYCOMB, Clarence J. SSG Johnstown CRAMER, Harry Griffith CPT Altoona CURRY, Richard John MAJ Altoona DAMBECK, Robert Carl MSGT Johnstown DAVIS, Charles Augustus SSG Conemaugh DAVIS, John Larry LCPL Patton DAVIS, Martin Joseph SP4 Altoona DELOZIER, David Vincent LCPL Johnstown DILLON, Dennis Earl LCPL Roaring Spring DRAKE, Glenn Franklin PFC Altoona FAWKS, Ernest Eugene SP4 Roaring Spring FEEMAN, James Oscar PFC Ebensburg FENNELL, Robert Harry CPT Hollidaysburg GEORGE, Stephen Frederick 1LT Roaring Spring HEUSTON, Gerald Wilford SFC Altoona HOLLAND, Clayton Monroe PFC Indiana HORCHAR, Andrew Anthony, Jr. AMH3 Indiana JOHNSTON, Ronald Lee 1LT Altoona KIBLER, Alfred James LCPL Indiana KLINE, Robert Earl COL Altoona KUSTABORDER, Ronald Lee PFC Altoona KUSTABORDER, Thomas William CPL Indiana LEWIS, Wayne Eugene, Jr. SP4 Ebensburg LEWIS, William Russell, Jr. 1LT Altoona MAGUIRE, Calvin Gene SGT Altoona MAHER, Harold William LCPL Altoona MALONEY, Charles Deo SGT Indiana MARTIN, Robert Phillips, Jr. CPL Johnstown McGILL, James Barry 2LT Altoona McNELLIS, Anthony Francis MSGT Johnstown MEADOWS, Lee David PFC Hollidaysburg MILLER, Edward Charles LCPL Johnstown MINDYAS, Edward Andrew AEAN Altoona NICHOLSON, James Clifford SFC Portage NOEL, Joseph Paul CPL Altoona NOLDER, Charles James SGT Nanty Glo O'FARRELL, William Patrick PFC Altoona PEOPLES, James Dale 1LT Revloc PRAZINKO, Robert James SFC Altoona RICKMAN, William Joel PFC Spangler RUMBAUGH, Elwood Eugene SSGT Johnstown RUSNAK, Robert Joseph LCPL Altoona SCHMERBECK, David J. COL Altoona SCHULTZ, Sheldon Duane CWO Altoona SCHUSTER, Joseph William CPL Ebensburg SCOTT, Leroy Harry CPL Johnstown SIGG, John Charles CPT Johnstown SLAGLE, Larry Ray SP4 Altoona SPAHN, Dennis M. SP4 Johnstown STYS, Stanley Albert PFC Altoona SZEYLLER, Edward Philip LT Tyrone WELCH, Donald Walter SFC Roaring Spring WERTMAN, Michael Lee CPL Altoona WORLEY, William Paul SP4 Johnstown YARBINITZ, Bernard Francis PFC Altoona ZIEGLER, John Paul CPL

Trying to figure out the name of a street in Westmont and I wonder if the street still exists by this name or changed to another name. This name does not sound familiar to me. 1920 federal census Westmont district 0239 Peelar street Peelor street Peelot street thank you sharon

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I live out of town and do subscribe to the Tribune Democrat, and copy all the obits, because I never know if I'll need one. If you don't have a subscription, the Tribune lets you look at five articles, whether obits or any other articles on the website, and then cuts you off. My concern about posting all the obits is copyright info. I know Lynne Canterbury is currently working on a project, editing obits and summarizing family information (see Obituary Index on the Cambria County genealogy web page). Not sure how current the listing is. My local (Columbus, Ohio) library allows free access to NewsBank Obituaries and Death Notices, which I can access from home; does requires a library card. Under "Limit by Date" I put in the month/year, and under "Obituary Text" list Tribune Democrat, and the obits come up starting with the most current date. If you're being blocked by the Tribune's website you might check to see if your local library has a similar program. More and more newspapers are blocking access to their news articles and posting a notice of subscription rate. In the past few weeks a number of newspapers have started the policy where they aren't blocking access to obits but are only showing the first two sentences of the obituary (i.e., Akron Beacon Journal, Philadelphia Inquirer--gotta love Legacy.com). However, if you do a "save-as" the page as a text file, all the obits and complete text are saved. Then you just have to weed through all the saved garbage text go get to the obits. You can look at each obit individually (haven't tried to see if there is a limited) but I like to save all the obits because it's sometimes months or years later than I discover a distant relative passed away. Then there's the Pittsburgh Tribune, which now only lets you see all the obits for the current day, and afterwards, can only look up individuals obits. As I mentioned weeks ago when we first discovered this issue, guess the "haves" will need to share with the "have-nots." -----Original Message----- From: pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Good-Vernalli Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:28 PM To: pacambri@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACAMBRI] Johnstown Tribune obituaries ..I have been out of town (Johnstown) for over 10 years now and during that time the Tribune-Democrat OBITUARIES have been online. I had been able to read th obits for family and friends daily and I have been able to go back and read the ones that I missed. I also had been able to search the obits for all the ones that they had currently recorded. For instance, they changed the newspaper 3 or 4 times since I had been out of town and ever time they change, the history of the obituaries was lost and they started over with the obituary history, but I was happy with what I had. The last time they changed was years ago until just recently when they took the opportunity to view the obituaries away unless you paid about $15 a month and on top of it you had to allow them to hoard your payment card and let them pay the bill for you at their convenience. Well, I can't afford to do that and I have my local newspaper that I have to pay for. I read obits from other newspapers also an! d certainly can't afford to 'subscribe' unconditionally to all the newspapers where I read the obits. I am retired and on a very low income. ..I was just wondering if there is anyone out there that would be willing to scan and post the obituaries out of the Tribune-Democrat either daily or weekly and post them to this newsletter. The only reason that I am asking this is that there are a lot of people out there that love doing things like (like the yearbooks for instance) that and I know that I would greatly appreciate that so others probably would to. Plus I think that the feature would be a big plus for this newsletter. I certainly would get the word around because I am sure that there are others who would subscribe to this newsletter if they new that feature was available. Thank-you and God bless - - - - - - - - - -

I'm a little confused by these problems I keep hearing about accessing the Tribune obits online. I just typed in the surname Imgrund in the search field and got a list a several articles which included several obits, two of which I needed, immediately. What am I missing in this conversation? Jack > From: space4jo@hotmail.com > To: pacambri@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:28:17 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Johnstown Tribune obituaries > > ..I have been out of town (Johnstown) for over 10 years now and during that time the Tribune-Democrat OBITUARIES have been online. I had been able to read th obits for family and friends daily and I have been able to go back and read the ones that I missed. I also had been able to search the obits for all the ones that they had currently recorded. For instance, they changed the newspaper 3 or 4 times since I had been out of town and ever time they change, the history of the obituaries was lost and they started over with the obituary history, but I was happy with what I had. The last time they changed was years ago until just recently when they took the opportunity to view the obituaries away unless you paid about $15 a month and on top of it you had to allow them to hoard your payment card and let them pay the bill for you at their convenience. Well, I can't afford to do that and I have my local newspaper that I have to pay for. I read obits from other newspapers also an! > d certainly can't afford to 'subscribe' unconditionally to all the newspapers where I read the obits. I am retired and on a very low income. ..I was just wondering if there is anyone out there that would be willing to scan and post the obituaries out of the Tribune-Democrat either daily or weekly and post them to this newsletter. The only reason that I am asking this is that there are a lot of people out there that love doing things like (like the yearbooks for instance) that and I know that I would greatly appreciate that so others probably would to. Plus I think that the feature would be a big plus for this newsletter. I certainly would get the word around because I am sure that there are others who would subscribe to this newsletter if they new that feature was available. Thank-you and God bless > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

these days it takes a $15 subscription to see the articles online, including obituaries On 10/17/13, Jack O'Connor<seanroconnor@hotmail.com> wrote: I'm a little confused by these problems I keep hearing about accessing the Tribune obits online. I just typed in the surname Imgrund in the search field and got a list a several articles which included several obits, two of which I needed, immediately. What am I missing in this conversation? Jack > From: [1]space4jo@hotmail.com > To: [2]pacambri@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:28:17 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Johnstown Tribune obituaries > > ..I have been out of town (Johnstown) for over 10 years now and during that time the Tribune-Democrat OBITUARIES have been online. I had been able to read th obits for family and friends daily and I have been able to go back and read the ones that I missed. I also had been able to search the obits for all the ones that they had currently recorded. For instance, they changed the newspaper 3 or 4 times since I had been out of town and ever time they change, the history of the obituaries was lost and they started over with the obituary history, but I was happy with what I had. The last time they changed was years ago until just recently when they took the opportunity to view the obituaries away unless you paid about $15 a month and on top of it you had to allow them to hoard your payment card and let them pay the bill for you at their convenience. Well, I can't afford to do that and I have my local newspaper that I have to pay for. I read obits from other newspapers also ! an! > d certainly can't afford to 'subscribe' unconditionally to all the newspapers where I read the obits. I am retired and on a very low income. ..I was just wondering if there is anyone out there that would be willing to scan and post the obituaries out of the Tribune-Democrat either daily or weekly and post them to this newsletter. The only reason that I am asking this is that there are a lot of people out there that love doing things like (like the yearbooks for instance) that and I know that I would greatly appreciate that so others probably would to. Plus I think that the feature would be a big plus for this newsletter. I certainly would get the word around because I am sure that there are others who would subscribe to this newsletter if they new that feature was available. Thank-you and God bless > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > [3]http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: [5]http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6]PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:space4jo@hotmail.com 2. mailto:pacambri@rootsweb.com 3. http://www.camgenpa.com/ 4. mailto:PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com 5. http://www.camgenpa.com/ 6. mailto:PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com

..I have been out of town (Johnstown) for over 10 years now and during that time the Tribune-Democrat OBITUARIES have been online. I had been able to read th obits for family and friends daily and I have been able to go back and read the ones that I missed. I also had been able to search the obits for all the ones that they had currently recorded. For instance, they changed the newspaper 3 or 4 times since I had been out of town and ever time they change, the history of the obituaries was lost and they started over with the obituary history, but I was happy with what I had. The last time they changed was years ago until just recently when they took the opportunity to view the obituaries away unless you paid about $15 a month and on top of it you had to allow them to hoard your payment card and let them pay the bill for you at their convenience. Well, I can't afford to do that and I have my local newspaper that I have to pay for. I read obits from other newspapers also and certainly can't afford to 'subscribe' unconditionally to all the newspapers where I read the obits. I am retired and on a very low income. ..I was just wondering if there is anyone out there that would be willing to scan and post the obituaries out of the Tribune-Democrat either daily or weekly and post them to this newsletter. The only reason that I am asking this is that there are a lot of people out there that love doing things like (like the yearbooks for instance) that and I know that I would greatly appreciate that so others probably would to. Plus I think that the feature would be a big plus for this newsletter. I certainly would get the word around because I am sure that there are others who would subscribe to this newsletter if they new that feature was available. Thank-you and God bless

My great-great-grandparents, Francis and Elizabeth Baker, were neighbors of Hiram and Sarah Fritz, and similar in age, may have been friends. 1870 (9 AUG), Susquehanna Township, Munster Post Office, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, page 1/335, 5/5; FRITZ, Heilman, age 49, Farmer, property value $1200, personal value $900, cannot read or write; Sarah, age 49, keeping house, cannot read or write; Martha, age 24, house girl, cannot read or write; and Daniel, age 21, farm hand, cannot read or write; all born Pennsylvania 1870 (9 AUG), Susquehanna Township, Munster Post Office, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, p335/1, 6/6; BAKER, Francis, age 46, farmer, property value $2000, personal value $1300, born Germany, unable to read or write, US citizen; Elizabeth, age 34, wife, keeping house, unable to read; John, age 15, farm hand, attended school; Catharine, age 12, at home, attended school; Mary, age 9; Julian, age 3, daughter; all else born Pennsylvania 1880 (14 JUN), Susquehanna Township, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, ED 206, page 447A/17, 113/113; FRITZ, Daniel, age 30, married, Farmer; Matilda, age 27, wife; Ida May, age 6, daughter; Cora M., age 5, daughter; and Sarah J., age 3, daughter; all born Pennsylvania 1880 (15 JUN), Susquehanna Township, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, ED 206, p19/448C, 132/132; BAKER, Francis J., age 51, married, farmer, born Baden; Elizabeth, wife, age 44, keeping house; John A., age 24, son, single, laborer on farm, son; Mary, age 19, daughter, single, at home; Julia Ann, age 12, daughter, at home; and WOODS, George, age 3; all else born Pennsylvania * * 1920 (5 JAN), Hastings, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, ED 167, page 98/7B, Spangler Street, 135/137; FRITZ, Daniel, head, own home, no mortgage, age 70, married; and Matilda, wife, age 65, married; both born Pennsylvania 1930 (8 APR), Hastings, Cambria County, Pennsylvania, ED 47, page 140/ 7B, Spangler Street, 128/129; FRITZ, Daniel, age 81, head, own home, value $1500, no radio, age 81, married age 24; and Matilda, wife, age 77, married age 20; both born Pennsylvania While Daniel and Matilda Fritz show up in Hastings on the 1920 and 1930 census, neither appear in the St. Bernard 1990 Mass for Deceased Parish Members anniversary book. Their daughter, Sara Jane and son-in-law, Sylvester Miller, are in the book and were located during my cemetery reading. Since they weren't in the booklet, assume they weren't members of the church. Possibly St. Boniface Church, only 2-3 miles away, or St. Benedict Church, since the Fritz family previously resided in Carroll Township, and their son Hiram and daughter-in-law Laura are buried at St. Benedict cemetery. > To: pacambri@rootsweb.com > From: marilynkwash@aol.com > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:39:03 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Matilda [Lute] Fritz, w of Daniel Fritz > > North Cambria News, Thursday, February 9, 1939 > > Mrs. Matilda [Lute] Fritz, 86, died last week at her home. Mrs. Fritz was born in Indiana County January 25, 1853. On January 28, 1873, she married Daniel Fritz, who preceded her in death April 28, 1934. Matilda and Daniel built a house on Spangler Street and turned the farm, known as Fritz's Corner, over to Hiram in 1904. Mr. Fritz sold part of his farm as building lots for the new town of Hastings. > She was the mother of five children, two daughters being deceased. She is survived by her son, Hiram Fritz married to Laura Arble and two daughters, Mrs. Cora Smith Manion, of Ebensburg and Mrs. Sylvester [Sara Jane] Miller of Susquehanna Township. > Mrs. Fritz was the sister of Isaac Lute, a Civil War Soldier. > She was buried at St. Bernard's Cemetery. > > Note: The original Fritz who settled in this area was Hiram: his son was Daniel, and his grandson was Hiram. The original farm was in Carroll Township "near Carrolltown." > Cora Fritz was married first to Albert Smith of Curvensville and they lived in Clymer where they ran a restaurant. Cora had a son George and daughter Eva who lived with her grandparents. Cora married second John Manion, a widowed neighbor of the Fritz's. > Hiram and Laura had two daughters: Gertrude who married Walter Holtz and was the mother of Leonard, Howard and Laura Mae Holtz; and Mary Anna "Mae" who married Ralph Strittmatter, and was the mother of Frederick "Fritz, Boyd and Daniel Strittmatter > > Marilyn Kline Washington

Thanks for the obituary. However, another instance of newspapers providing mis-leading information. Sylvester Miller (1871-1940) and Sarah Jane Miller (1877-1949) are buried in St. Bernard Cemetery, not St. Benedict Cemetery. FYI, the 1930 census index incorrectly listed their adopted son George Miller as George Donevan, grandson, instead of George Cronauer (handwriting was poor). > To: pacambri@rootsweb.com > From: marilynkwash@aol.com > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:33:40 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Funeral of Sylvester Miller m Sara Jane Fritz Set Saturday > > North Cambria News, Thursday, December 19, 1940 > > Sylvester Miller, age 69, died in Susquehanna Township last week. He was born January 28, 1871, the son of Charles and Rosalia [Bagley] Miller. He leaves a widow, Sara Jane [Fritz] Miller and an adopted son, George Miller, at home. > Mr. Miller also leaves the following brothers and sisters: > Amandus, > Pius, and > Mrs. David Tovey, all of Detroit; > Mrs. Joseph Vogel, Pittsburgh; > Mrs. Albert Dowey, WillksBarre and > Mrs. Anicetus Lehmier, of Spangler. > His funeral was held Saturday at St. Bernard's Church, Hastings, and he was buried at St. Benedict's Cemetery, Carrolltown. > > Note: George Miller was the son of Eva Smith and Philip Nicholas Cronaurer. Eva Smith was the niece of Sara Jane Fritz, daughter of Cora Fritz and Bert Smith. Eva died in 1918 at the birth of her fourth child, Mary. Eva's aunt, Sara Jane, adopted George and Rose Anna Miller Cronauer, the grandmother, adopted the other three boys, George married Anna Mae Selfridge. > > Marilyn Kline Washington >

Hear hear!!! > From: seanroconnor@hotmail.com > To: marilynkwash@aol.com; pacambri@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:41:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] St Patrick's Church, Camermon's Bottom, St. Aloysius and the Franciscans. > > As ALWAYS your are a fount of information. I enjoy your emails, always coming in pairs, very much. > > Thanks > > Jack > > > > > > To: pacambri@rootsweb.com > > From: marilynkwash@aol.com > > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:38:47 -0400 > > Subject: [PACAMBRI] St Patrick's Church, Camermon's Bottom, St. Aloysius and the Franciscans. > > > > > > Today Cameron's Bottom [Name of church is St. Patrick's] is in the merged parish at Heliwood, Indiana County and the Diocese of Westmoreland > > > > In the past, any priest who was available or traveling through the area would say mass there, or the priest would come from Sportsman's Hall [original name of St. Vincent's Parish and College in Latrobe.] These records were USUALLY recorded in the parish church of the priest. > > > > From 1840 -- 1850, the priests from St. Aloysius Church in Summitville, near Cresson, in Cambria County, served the Cameron's Bottom area and recorded the baptisms and marriages in the St. Aloysius Church Records. After Nicktown [St. Nicholas] had a church and pastor, he would sometimes say a regular mass at Cameron's Bottom. Also, there was a "chapel" at Strongstown [along R422, then known as the Indiana Pike] called St. Veronica's [or the Church of the Seven Dolores.] > > > > Incidentally, this year is the 175 anniversary of St. Aloysius and there is an article in today's [October 11, 2013] Altoona Mirror. > > > > There was a mention somewhere about the Franciscans from St. Francis, Loretto, establishing some sort of religious foundation at Cameron's Bottom. In the Bicentennial History of Loretto, published in 1976, Fr. Bonaventure Kiley, TOR, states the following: > > > > "....In late 1849 or early 1850 the Brothers [meaning the Irish Emigrants] commenced a farm and school for older boys at New Bedford, Pa, It was discontinued 1866 because it was so far removed from Pittsburgh. The care of orphan boys and the teaching of the manual trades challenged them [the Franciscan Brothers] to open a house at Cameron's Bottom in 1850 or 1852. Then Cameron's Bottom continued until 1882...." One reason the Brothers selected Cameron's Bottom was that there was a regularly scheduled priest. > > > > For those of you who are not Catholics or don't know Catholic history, customs or terminology, here are a few notes > > > > St. Veronica is a "mythical" woman who used her veil to wipe the blood and sweat from the face of Jesus during his walk to the Crucifixion. "Seven Dolores" mean "seven sorrows," a devotion to the Blessed Mother. [I have no idea why either name was used.] Some people feel the "Head" supposedly venerated by the Knights Templar was this cloth. [Or it could have been the Shroud of Turin folded to show only the face of Jesus.] > > > > Brothers: Most monastic facilities before the present time were composed of "religious," those who devoted their lives to God and lived in common in a monastery or friary [the name used for the Franciscan Friars.] There were usually very few priests among them, only enough priests to say mass for the others. Today this is reversed. Brothers or Lay Brothers, as they are sometimes called, were not educated and generally did the farming or manual work. Hence their interest in forming a school to teach manual trades. Today most priests are "secular," meaning they do not belong to a Religious Order, and served the Bishop in the Diocese where the live. > > > > Lay Sisters and Choir Sisters: In Europe, because of the medieval class system, there were two classes of nuns or sisters. The Lay Sisters were usually peasant girls who did the housework, cooking, gardening, and animal care. They often were definitely considered "second class," and had no rights to vote for the Mother Superior or for any other reason. Generally they could not read or write. > > > > Choir Sisters were from the upper class, usually "extra" daughters, and were treated as upper class. They brought a "dowry" when they joined the order, had better quality clothes and food, and were waited on like noblewomen. "Choir" sister refers to them being educated enough to read and sing the Mass or other religious services. Generally they were supposed to pray for their supporters. > > > > This custom came to America from Europe, but didn't last long. The upper class nuns who founded the "houses" in America were informed that in America everyone was equal, and if the Choir Nuns didn't want them--the Lay Sisters-- sitting at the table [for one thing], then they could cook their own food. I found a letter from a Mother Superior sent to America to found a house, saying this. She was extremely indignant. > > > > This was also true in "houses" for men. The Lay Brothers did the work of survival [farming] and often had other jobs, like copying scripture. They ate at a different table or a different section of the table. > > > > House: this is the general name or shortened name for any religious foundation--it does not mean a house in which a family lives. It could be a monastery [where monks like the Benedictines] lived, a Convent [where nuns lived] and/or a friary [where the Friars, or wandering religious] lived. > > > > My grandfather's aunt, Elizabeth Klein, born in Leimen, Rhineland, joined the Franciscan Sisters at Glen Riddle, near Philadelphia, as Sr. Richardia. When I got her records from the order, it said she was a "lay sister," and that is when I investigated the term. The Mercy Sisters, from Ireland originally, also had this system for awhile. > > > > > > > > Marilyn Kline Washington > > - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

looking for information about the children of Jacob and Catherine (Knable) Stutzman Aaron Stutzman b.1848 d. 1923 Jacob Stutzman b. 1850 d. 1920 is this Jacob the 3rd or Jacob Jr.? Eli Stutzman b. 1852 d. 1925 (this is my great great grandfather) William Stutzman John Stutzman died about 2 years Hiram Stutzman I know there were other children but I am lacking information these sons. Aaron, Jacob, William, John, Hiram Any obituaries you can send me would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Sharon

Does anyone have this obit in their "stash"?  If so, could you send a copy to Vicki?   Is anyone planning a trip to the library any time soon?  If so, could you possibly lend Vicki a hand with this?   Thanks so much!   Lynne ----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Vicki Gill <vicki_gill58@hotmail.com> >To: "lynne.canterbury@frontier.com" <lynne.canterbury@frontier.com> >Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 4:09 AM >Subject: Simon Scott 1881 > > > >Hi Lynne > >I was hoping you can help me with an Obit please from the Johnstown Tribune for Simon Scott death date 1st March 1881 Obit Notice 9th March 1881 I live in Australia any help would kindly be appreciated >Email vmailto:vicki_gill58@hotmail.com small v >Kind Regards >Vicki > > >Sent from Windows Mail > > >

Marilyn, Edwin Valentine Geus is the husband of Stella E. Buck, daughter of Celestine A. Buck and his second wife Adelaide Regina Rosensteel. Celestine and Annie (Buck) Eck are brother and sister. A couple of corrections in the obit. The middle initial for Annie is wrong. Annie was baptized Ann Alisa Buck, but went by Ann Elizabeth. Also she was born on July 7, 1866, not 1886 as in the article. Thanks for always posting such great information, I appreciate it. Cathy (Buck) Makara On Oct 13, 2013, at 3:00 AM, pacambri-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:18:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: marilyn <marilynkwash@aol.com> > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Annie [Buck], wife of James B. Eck [1866 - 1939] > To: pacambri@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D095F320B9E085-A5C-23FCE@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > North Cambria News, Thursday, Dec 14, 1939 > > MRS. JAMES ECK SUCCUMBS HERE > > Mrs. Annie R. [Buck] Eck, age 73, wife of James B. Eck, of South Fork, R.D. died at 5:50 o'clock Saturday morning at the home of her niece, Mrs. Edwin Geus, of this place [Hastings], after an extended illness. > Mrs. Eck was a daughter of John and Rachel [Sherry] Buck and was born in Carrolltown on July 7, 1886. The Eck family resided in Gallitzin until a short time ago, when they moved to South Fork. Mrs. Eck came to Hastings a number of weeks ago to visit her niece. > Surviving in addition to her husband, are the following children: > Miss Regina Eck, of Shenandoah; > Mrs.. Fred Beam, of South Fork; and > Miss Mary Louise Eck, of Gallitzin. > She leaves two grandchildren and four brothers: > Dr. M. J. Buck, > A.C. Buck and > V. J. Buck, all of Pittsburgh, and > M. L. Buck, of this place [Hastings]. > Funeral services were conducted Tuesday morning in St. Benedict's Church, Carrolltown, and interment was in the church cemetery. > > NOTE: How is Mrs. Edwin Geus her niece? Mrs. Geus is a connection and I don't know how she is related. > > Marilyn Kline Washington > >

North Cambria News, Thursday, Dec 14, 1939 MRS. JAMES ECK SUCCUMBS HERE Mrs. Annie R. [Buck] Eck, age 73, wife of James B. Eck, of South Fork, R.D. died at 5:50 o'clock Saturday morning at the home of her niece, Mrs. Edwin Geus, of this place [Hastings], after an extended illness. Mrs. Eck was a daughter of John and Rachel [Sherry] Buck and was born in Carrolltown on July 7, 1886. The Eck family resided in Gallitzin until a short time ago, when they moved to South Fork. Mrs. Eck came to Hastings a number of weeks ago to visit her niece. Surviving in addition to her husband, are the following children: Miss Regina Eck, of Shenandoah; Mrs.. Fred Beam, of South Fork; and Miss Mary Louise Eck, of Gallitzin. She leaves two grandchildren and four brothers: Dr. M. J. Buck, A.C. Buck and V. J. Buck, all of Pittsburgh, and M. L. Buck, of this place [Hastings]. Funeral services were conducted Tuesday morning in St. Benedict's Church, Carrolltown, and interment was in the church cemetery. NOTE: How is Mrs. Edwin Geus her niece? Mrs. Geus is a connection and I don't know how she is related. Marilyn Kline Washington

North Cambria News, Thursday, Dec 14, 1939 MRS. JAMES ECK SUCCUMBS HERE Mrs. Annie R. [Buck] Eck, age 73, wife of James B. Eck, of South Fork, R.D. died at 5:50 o'clock Saturday morning at the home of her niece, Mrs. Edwin Geus, of this place [Hastings], after an extended illness. Mrs. Eck was a daughter of John and Rachel [Sherry] Buck and was born in Carrolltown on July 7, 1886. The Eck family resided in Gallitzin until a short time ago, when they moved to South Fork. Mrs. Eck came to Hastings a number of weeks ago to visit her niece. Surviving in addition to her husband, are the following children: Miss Regina Eck, of Shenandoah; Mrs.. Fred Beam, of South Fork; and Miss Mary Louise Eck, of Gallitzin. She leaves two grandchildren and four brothers: Dr. M. J. Buck, A.C. Buck and V. J. Buck, all of Pittsburgh, and M. L. Buck, of this place [Hastings]. Funeral services were conducted Tuesday morning in St. Benedict's Church, Carrolltown, and interment was in the church cemetery. NOTE: How is Mrs. Edwin Geus her niece? Mrs. Geus is a connection and I don't know how she is related. Marilyn Kline Washington

Just received notice that my previous email bounced from the list. I commented to Marilyn's email. The church has been recently restored. If anyone would like pictures email me at mm103a@gmail.com The church is in Indiana county Mike Mertle

As ALWAYS your are a fount of information. I enjoy your emails, always coming in pairs, very much. Thanks Jack > To: pacambri@rootsweb.com > From: marilynkwash@aol.com > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:38:47 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] St Patrick's Church, Camermon's Bottom, St. Aloysius and the Franciscans. > > > Today Cameron's Bottom [Name of church is St. Patrick's] is in the merged parish at Heliwood, Indiana County and the Diocese of Westmoreland > > In the past, any priest who was available or traveling through the area would say mass there, or the priest would come from Sportsman's Hall [original name of St. Vincent's Parish and College in Latrobe.] These records were USUALLY recorded in the parish church of the priest. > > From 1840 -- 1850, the priests from St. Aloysius Church in Summitville, near Cresson, in Cambria County, served the Cameron's Bottom area and recorded the baptisms and marriages in the St. Aloysius Church Records. After Nicktown [St. Nicholas] had a church and pastor, he would sometimes say a regular mass at Cameron's Bottom. Also, there was a "chapel" at Strongstown [along R422, then known as the Indiana Pike] called St. Veronica's [or the Church of the Seven Dolores.] > > Incidentally, this year is the 175 anniversary of St. Aloysius and there is an article in today's [October 11, 2013] Altoona Mirror. > > There was a mention somewhere about the Franciscans from St. Francis, Loretto, establishing some sort of religious foundation at Cameron's Bottom. In the Bicentennial History of Loretto, published in 1976, Fr. Bonaventure Kiley, TOR, states the following: > > "....In late 1849 or early 1850 the Brothers [meaning the Irish Emigrants] commenced a farm and school for older boys at New Bedford, Pa, It was discontinued 1866 because it was so far removed from Pittsburgh. The care of orphan boys and the teaching of the manual trades challenged them [the Franciscan Brothers] to open a house at Cameron's Bottom in 1850 or 1852. Then Cameron's Bottom continued until 1882...." One reason the Brothers selected Cameron's Bottom was that there was a regularly scheduled priest. > > For those of you who are not Catholics or don't know Catholic history, customs or terminology, here are a few notes > > St. Veronica is a "mythical" woman who used her veil to wipe the blood and sweat from the face of Jesus during his walk to the Crucifixion. "Seven Dolores" mean "seven sorrows," a devotion to the Blessed Mother. [I have no idea why either name was used.] Some people feel the "Head" supposedly venerated by the Knights Templar was this cloth. [Or it could have been the Shroud of Turin folded to show only the face of Jesus.] > > Brothers: Most monastic facilities before the present time were composed of "religious," those who devoted their lives to God and lived in common in a monastery or friary [the name used for the Franciscan Friars.] There were usually very few priests among them, only enough priests to say mass for the others. Today this is reversed. Brothers or Lay Brothers, as they are sometimes called, were not educated and generally did the farming or manual work. Hence their interest in forming a school to teach manual trades. Today most priests are "secular," meaning they do not belong to a Religious Order, and served the Bishop in the Diocese where the live. > > Lay Sisters and Choir Sisters: In Europe, because of the medieval class system, there were two classes of nuns or sisters. The Lay Sisters were usually peasant girls who did the housework, cooking, gardening, and animal care. They often were definitely considered "second class," and had no rights to vote for the Mother Superior or for any other reason. Generally they could not read or write. > > Choir Sisters were from the upper class, usually "extra" daughters, and were treated as upper class. They brought a "dowry" when they joined the order, had better quality clothes and food, and were waited on like noblewomen. "Choir" sister refers to them being educated enough to read and sing the Mass or other religious services. Generally they were supposed to pray for their supporters. > > This custom came to America from Europe, but didn't last long. The upper class nuns who founded the "houses" in America were informed that in America everyone was equal, and if the Choir Nuns didn't want them--the Lay Sisters-- sitting at the table [for one thing], then they could cook their own food. I found a letter from a Mother Superior sent to America to found a house, saying this. She was extremely indignant. > > This was also true in "houses" for men. The Lay Brothers did the work of survival [farming] and often had other jobs, like copying scripture. They ate at a different table or a different section of the table. > > House: this is the general name or shortened name for any religious foundation--it does not mean a house in which a family lives. It could be a monastery [where monks like the Benedictines] lived, a Convent [where nuns lived] and/or a friary [where the Friars, or wandering religious] lived. > > My grandfather's aunt, Elizabeth Klein, born in Leimen, Rhineland, joined the Franciscan Sisters at Glen Riddle, near Philadelphia, as Sr. Richardia. When I got her records from the order, it said she was a "lay sister," and that is when I investigated the term. The Mercy Sisters, from Ireland originally, also had this system for awhile. > > > > Marilyn Kline Washington > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Today Cameron's Bottom [Name of church is St. Patrick's] is in the merged parish at Heliwood, Indiana County and the Diocese of Westmoreland In the past, any priest who was available or traveling through the area would say mass there, or the priest would come from Sportsman's Hall [original name of St. Vincent's Parish and College in Latrobe.] These records were USUALLY recorded in the parish church of the priest. From 1840 -- 1850, the priests from St. Aloysius Church in Summitville, near Cresson, in Cambria County, served the Cameron's Bottom area and recorded the baptisms and marriages in the St. Aloysius Church Records. After Nicktown [St. Nicholas] had a church and pastor, he would sometimes say a regular mass at Cameron's Bottom. Also, there was a "chapel" at Strongstown [along R422, then known as the Indiana Pike] called St. Veronica's [or the Church of the Seven Dolores.] Incidentally, this year is the 175 anniversary of St. Aloysius and there is an article in today's [October 11, 2013] Altoona Mirror. There was a mention somewhere about the Franciscans from St. Francis, Loretto, establishing some sort of religious foundation at Cameron's Bottom. In the Bicentennial History of Loretto, published in 1976, Fr. Bonaventure Kiley, TOR, states the following: "....In late 1849 or early 1850 the Brothers [meaning the Irish Emigrants] commenced a farm and school for older boys at New Bedford, Pa, It was discontinued 1866 because it was so far removed from Pittsburgh. The care of orphan boys and the teaching of the manual trades challenged them [the Franciscan Brothers] to open a house at Cameron's Bottom in 1850 or 1852. Then Cameron's Bottom continued until 1882...." One reason the Brothers selected Cameron's Bottom was that there was a regularly scheduled priest. For those of you who are not Catholics or don't know Catholic history, customs or terminology, here are a few notes St. Veronica is a "mythical" woman who used her veil to wipe the blood and sweat from the face of Jesus during his walk to the Crucifixion. "Seven Dolores" mean "seven sorrows," a devotion to the Blessed Mother. [I have no idea why either name was used.] Some people feel the "Head" supposedly venerated by the Knights Templar was this cloth. [Or it could have been the Shroud of Turin folded to show only the face of Jesus.] Brothers: Most monastic facilities before the present time were composed of "religious," those who devoted their lives to God and lived in common in a monastery or friary [the name used for the Franciscan Friars.] There were usually very few priests among them, only enough priests to say mass for the others. Today this is reversed. Brothers or Lay Brothers, as they are sometimes called, were not educated and generally did the farming or manual work. Hence their interest in forming a school to teach manual trades. Today most priests are "secular," meaning they do not belong to a Religious Order, and served the Bishop in the Diocese where the live. Lay Sisters and Choir Sisters: In Europe, because of the medieval class system, there were two classes of nuns or sisters. The Lay Sisters were usually peasant girls who did the housework, cooking, gardening, and animal care. They often were definitely considered "second class," and had no rights to vote for the Mother Superior or for any other reason. Generally they could not read or write. Choir Sisters were from the upper class, usually "extra" daughters, and were treated as upper class. They brought a "dowry" when they joined the order, had better quality clothes and food, and were waited on like noblewomen. "Choir" sister refers to them being educated enough to read and sing the Mass or other religious services. Generally they were supposed to pray for their supporters. This custom came to America from Europe, but didn't last long. The upper class nuns who founded the "houses" in America were informed that in America everyone was equal, and if the Choir Nuns didn't want them--the Lay Sisters-- sitting at the table [for one thing], then they could cook their own food. I found a letter from a Mother Superior sent to America to found a house, saying this. She was extremely indignant. This was also true in "houses" for men. The Lay Brothers did the work of survival [farming] and often had other jobs, like copying scripture. They ate at a different table or a different section of the table. House: this is the general name or shortened name for any religious foundation--it does not mean a house in which a family lives. It could be a monastery [where monks like the Benedictines] lived, a Convent [where nuns lived] and/or a friary [where the Friars, or wandering religious] lived. My grandfather's aunt, Elizabeth Klein, born in Leimen, Rhineland, joined the Franciscan Sisters at Glen Riddle, near Philadelphia, as Sr. Richardia. When I got her records from the order, it said she was a "lay sister," and that is when I investigated the term. The Mercy Sisters, from Ireland originally, also had this system for awhile. Marilyn Kline Washington