The Alleghanian, Ebensburg, Pa. Thursday, January 15, 1863 Volume 4, Number 16 NEWS Safe We are very glad to announce that our friend, Sergt. William W. Evans, of Co. A, 11th Penna. Reserves, who has been missing since the Fredericksburg fight and was supposed to have been killed, is safe. He was wounded in the left leg during the battle and fell into the hands of the Rebels who carried him to Richmond, where is now confined in Libby Prison. We wish him a speedy convalescence and safe return North. Promoted It gives us pleasure to announce that our young friend, Thomas D. Litzinger, has been promoted to be Sergeant Major of his regiment – 11th Pa. Reserves. He has been a member of Co. A, this regiment for over eighteen months, in the meantime participating in all the fights in which it was engaged and this recognition of his services is but a simple act of Justice. Success! Auditor Appointed Last week G. C. K. Zahm, Esq., was appointed a County Auditor of this county in place of E. R. Donnegan, serving in the army. The Board at present constituted is as follows: Thomas J. Nelson, Wm. J. Williams, G. C. K. Zahm. Item The report is current here that Col. Jacob M. Campbell of the 54th Penna. Vols., has been promoted to a Brigadier Generalship. We hope it may prove true. Eb. & Cresson Railroad The annual election for a President and twelve Directors of the Ebensburg and Cresson Railroad Company was held on Monday last, 12th inst., and resulted as follows: President: A. A. Barker Directors: John Williams Johnston Moore Edward Roberts Geo. J. Rodgers Thomas Griffith Richard Jones, Jr. Geo. Huntley Henry Foster Isaac Evans James Myers Robert Davis Abel Lloyd >From our Volunteers Brief Letter from Co. A, 11th Pa. Reserves Their Current Location &c. Belle Plain Landing Jan. 4, 1863 Our regiment is at present encamped on a good piece of ground within two miles of Belle Plain Landing, Va. The men have busied themselves since the fight at Fredericksburg and instead of shelter tents they now boast the possession of comfortable log huts. Our camp with the exception of not being so large greatly resembles what Camp Pierpont was last winter. We are all quite comfortable and if permitted to remain, will be able to pass a pleasant winter. It is the general impression, however, - and I may add, the wish of the men, - that we will be here but a short time. Our regiment has been sadly reduced in numbers through the casualties of recent battles, but those remaining are in as good spirits as ever. The new recruits of our company are good men and heroes. They did not flinch at Fredericksburg. We are busy now making out our pay rolls and inspecting. Our paymaster is expected every day and we must be ready to receive him – you know. [Signed] D ---------------------------------------------------------------- DEATHS Richard M. Jones Among those who after the battle of Fredericksburg were classified in that list of terrible uncertainties, the missing, was Richard M. Jones of Co. F., 133d Penna. Vols. In the charge of his regiment on the Rebel breastworks, he was seen to fall and although spoken to by some of this companions, he failed to return an answer. >From this, and the fact that over a month has elapsed since the fight, we are forced to the sad conclusion, much against our inclination, that he is indeed missing – missing for evermore. The deceased was born in Cambria twp., this county and was about 29 years of age when he fell. He lived here until he had attained to the full estate of manhood when he removed to Philadelphia. In that city he became engaged in mercantile pursuits. Upon the inauguration of the Rebellion, he, in conjunction with the lamented Major Todd, recruited a company, of which he was elected 1st Lieutenant. He served with credit during the term of enlistment – three months; and returning to the city, again engaged in his usual avocation. During the past summer when on a visit here to his home and friends, he attached himself to Capt. Jones’ company. The sequel is known. He went forth - he fought - he fell. The deceased was a most estimable young man. Educated and intelligent of a sprightly and impulsive disposition and gifted with a warm heart and a manly mind, he made many friends and retained them. Throughout the county he was widely known and his loss will be keenly lamented. He was a member of the Presbyterian Church and died in the full hope of a blessed immortality above. Shortly before entering the fight, he remarked to a companion: “If I fall, say to those at home that I was prepared to die.” A patriot and a Christian – he is gone! Gone in the early bloom of manhood when his aspirations of usefulness in the world were about being realized. Gone from his country, his home and his friends. But – happy, thought,- such men do not die,; they only “go before.” John M. Jones John M. Jones, a member of Co. F, 133d Penna. Vols., and a brother of the subject of the foregoing notice, was also killed at the battle of Fredericksburg. He was an excellent young man, kind hearted and generous and a favorite with all who knew him. He was a member of the Welsh Independent Church of this place, and died as he had lived, a Christian. His age was about 24 years. Green be the turf above him! Both the above heroes were sons of Mr. Morris W. Jones, resident four miles north of town. He and family and friends have the sympathies of the community in their great bereavement. Samuel Sharp Dead, Samuel Sharp of Co. I, 54th Pa. Vols., died recently and his remains were brought to Johnstown and interred. 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In the Lilly Book, p. 99. I think this is a mistake since it is his father who emigrated and the children of his father listed. I also Have Mary Ann Bender rather than Mary E. James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, Cambria Co., PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855

The Lilly book gives different data for Ignatius Adams on p. 9 than I have. 1767-1853 vs. 1766-1866 Are ther two of same time frame? James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, Cambria Co., PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855

Potter's Fields were usually reserved for those who were destitute and could not afford a plot or burial expenses. Believe burials were paid for by the county or other municipality. That may be why so many babies are buried there; they were not buried there to separate families. The idea was to provide a decent burial even for people who had no means to pay for their burial expenses.

Marilyn Washington and I collaborated on St. Bernard cemetery; she provided me with a listing of actual death dates for the individuals listed in the anniversary book published in 1990 for deceased church members. Some of her notes included the notation "Potters Field." My reading draft also included names from obits and earlier visits. When I did my final "official" reading of the cemetery, I tried to note in what section of the cemetery headstones were located. While there wasn't a sign that says "Potters Field" there is a section at the top of the hill with little or no headstones. For all individuals buried with no headstones, whether adults or infants, my assumption was the family was Catholic but either didn't have the money to bury them (Potters) or pay for a headstone. (My mother gave birth at 6-1/2 months to a son who lived 3 hours. My dad was in the Navy and they had no money for a headstone. Fifteen years ago they visited the cemetery in Virginia where Paul was buried, and although they had a photo which showed a little wood cross and flowers, when they tried to arrange for a headstone the office informed them the records were too poorly kept for that time period and they couldn't allow a headstone since they weren't sure it would be on the correct plot.) There were 3 headstones on graves listed in Potters Field. One, George Yeager, 1912-1924, is listed in Potters Field, but my reading showed him in the bottom right section of the cemetery. Meanwhile, the next individual in the mass book is Walania, (Baby), premature birth. In retrospect, maybe this burial was the one in Potters Field. For the other two individuals (Bartus and Semelsberger), maybe the families came up with the money for the headstones later, or the Potters Field information was wrong. I live in Columbus, Ohio, and got tired of driving back to the same cemeteries to look for "new" individuals, so I read cemeteries and share the information on the Cambria county web site. However, keep in mind that while myself, and all of us who provide the information found on the web site try to do our best, errors occur. If you think something is wrong with a record, speak up so it can be corrected. Lisa Baker -----Original Message----- From: pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacambri-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Makara Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:50 AM To: pacambri@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics The area in the upper corner of St. Bernard's was considered the burial ground for non-Catholics. This would be babies who die before being baptized, non-Catholics, ex-communicated Catholics, etc. In the past, the entire cemetery was blessed, except for the upper corner, so "non-Catholics" couldn't be buried there in the blessed part according to Catholic church rules. This is no longer the case in that cemetery as they bless the grave individually at each burial rather than the entire cemetery. I lived next to St. Bernard's growing up, our property touching St. Bernard's Cemetery, including the non-blessed corner. My mother had a baby who was born dead, and since they couldn't be baptized, was buried in that upper corner. A small, flat tombstone marks the grave, Baby Buck, 1957. Our Buck family plot is elsewhere in the cemetery. Cathy (Buck) Makara > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:53:38 -0500 > From: "slbearer" <slbearer@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics > To: <pacambri@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <32CE85DA1A8B4DE6AB2438D9D5035AA5@yourd0f670b45a> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > I agree with Mike that unbaptized babies were rare. Also the people > buried > in St. Bernard's really don't appear to be separated from their families & > they most certainly did have decent burials. I never would have known the > part across the top was any different then the rest of the cemetery if > someone from that area would not have explained what it was. I have > different areas of the family all over that whole cemetery so if I were to > have found someone there, I never would have thought anything of it. > There > is nothing that says or stands out to make anyone think it isn't part of > the > cemetery. I however would have preferred finding a family member close > (in > what appears to be the same cemetery then having to go across or to a > completely different town to find them. Catholics also have the option of > being buried in a non catholic cemetery with their non catholic spouse. > If > my husband wasn't Catholic I think I would also prefer a place like that > so > we could be buried together & still in the same cemetery where the rest of > my family is. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bea and Stan Rutherford" <beair@verizon.net> > To: "slbearer" <slbearer@comcast.net> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics >> I was born raised and still am of Catholic Faith ....I have never heard >> of them burying a baby in a Potters Field because it was not baptised >> yet....nor for that I have never heard of them even having a " Potters >> Field " To seperate families.............So So So sad that somewhere that >> has happened ! >> Everyone has a right to have a decent burial - Baptised or whatever they >> may have done with their lives.....agree ? >> That I know of our church cemetery has no potters field ! I sure will >> check into that ! >> Kindly >> Bea >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "slbearer" <slbearer@comcast.net> >> To: <pacambri@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:17 AM >> Subject: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics >>> Marilyn wrote on here once that there is a "Potters Field" above the >>> cemetery in St. Bernard's Cemetery & that it was for the burial of >>> babies >>> who did not get baptised before they died, or for other ("Catholics" I >>> think) that had done criminal acts. Do they have a "Potters Fields" in >>> all Catholic Cemeteries? Does that person in that Potters Field have >>> had to have belonged to a Catholic family? The requirement to being >>> buried in a Catholic Cemetery is still to have been baptised correct? 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Good Morning! We have added a new page to the website -- an alphabetical listing of the victims of the 31 May 1889 Johnstown Flood: http://www.camgenpa.com/jo/1889-Victims01.html This listing was compiled from the Biographic Biographic & Portrait Cyclopedia of Cambria County, PA. (1896). As good as the listing is, there are errors and gaps. If you can correct any of the errors or fill in any of the gaps, please let us know. Lynne

I would assume that there is a baby section in cemeteries specifically for the children of parents who do not have a family plot. I say this because of my own personal experience, our son died in 1969, at the age of 15 months. He is buried in the Holy Innocence lot at St. Michael's in Springfield, MA Also, my daughter has identical twin girls buried in Babyland at Sunnyside cemetery in St. Petersburg, FL, she had no family plot at the time of their deaths. I remember when I was little, my grandmother told me that she had a son who died shortly after birth, he is buried in the baby section at Calvary cemetery in Altoona, PA. All the children above were baptized. Marilyn Boula Hernando, FL Searching: BOULA, CARL, GEER, GOSS, IRVIN, KUHN, MCGLINSEY, SCHMIDHAMMER, VANDEVANDER, WINGARD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McGonigle" <arizonasaguaro@hotmail.com> To: <slbearer@comcast.net>; "Cambria County Geneology" <pacambri@rootsweb.com>; <pablair@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Calvary Cemetery, Altoona > > Here in Columbus, Ohio at St. Joseph's Cemetery there is a section for > babies called The Guardian Angel section. I have a cousin who is baried > there (I think she was just a few weeks old). Their parents told me the > baby was buried there because they could not afford to buy graves for > themselves and burial in the Guardian Angel section was very inexpensive. > Whether this is the same for Calvary mentioned below I don't know but many > years ago I believe > non-baptized babies were probably not allowed to be buried in a Catholic > Cemetery. Marilynn would know...WHERE IS SHE BY THE WAY????? > > Robert McGonigle > Columbus, Ohio> From: slbearer@comcast.net> To: pacambri@rootsweb.com; > pablair@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:58:35 -0500> Subject: > [PACAMBRI] Calvary Cemetery, Altoona> > I went looking in the Calvary > Cemetery last summer & I was amazed at how huge a place this really was. I > had no idea. I did not see these babies mentioned in the note below but am > interested to find out also why they might have a section just for babies. > Can someone on the Blair list possibly answer why there is a section just > for babies in the Calvary cemetery as noted below? > ----- Original > Message ----- > From: M Jenner > To: slbearer ; pacambri@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:33 PM> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters > Field & Catholics> > > I remember as a child going to visit my > grandfather's grave in Calvary Cemetery in Altoona and wandering over to a > section of the cemetery that was all baby graves. I don't know if they > were separated because they weren't baptized or whether! > they were separated because their parents would have been young at the > time of the baby's death and didn't have a family plot. I was fascinated > with the markers as some had little cherubs and angels on them. I still > like to wander cemeteries and read the markers to this day. I guess that > is why I am into genealogy. > - - - - - - - - - -> > Search for more > Cambria County information on our webpage:> > http://www.camgenpa.com/> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe > from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I should have commented on the concept of potters field and also groupings or areas of baby graves These areas of the cemetery are different from areas of unconsecrated ground where the burials of non catholics or the fallen away or ex communicants occurred. A potters field is for the indigent, and baby groupings are as someone noted done when there may not be a family plot, or also in times of epidemics. These areas of the graveyard are consecrated and the persons buried there, in a catholic cemetery; are in good standing with the church. So I think we are mixing issues of wealth and faith. Indeed also the issue of transients, as many families up through the mid 19th century were forced to move frequently to remain employed. With infant and child mortality also being high areas of babies and children can reflect this issue as well

Click here http://www.usgwarchives.net/pa/blair/1picts/cemeteries/ctombs.htm and look for Calvary Cemetery, then click on photos 1 and 2. Those are taken from my grandfather's grave at the back of Calvary Cemetery, in what the office clerk called the section of the cemetery where poorer folks were buried. One was taken facing the ravine, and the other facing the front/side part of the cemetery. I don't see any baby tombstones, though. Does this look like what you saw? My grandmother died young, leaving seven small children, and I'm sure my grandfather didn't have much money to spend on burying her. I'll check my Calvary photos to see if I took any more views from the Rogers' tombstone. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Ebaugh" <jke32039@yahoo.com> To: <pablair@rootsweb.com>; <pacambri@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [PABLAIR] Calvary Cemetery, Altoona I saw a section of Calvary way at the back, almost where the cemetery drops off into a ravine - could that be the section you saw? It has a lot of old baby burials, from the looks of some of the dates. However, there aren't just babies there, as my gg-gf is also there, in the very last, or bottom, row, before the ravine. I think the answer about the possibility of the families just not having a family plot is probably correct, but since my gg-gf is there also, perhaps it was just cheaper for anyone who didn't have a lot of money. He had been in the Civil War, and there is a marker for that on his grave also. Later I saw a list somewhere of moneys that the city or the county, I forget which, had paid for various miscellaneous items, and some of them appeared to be for burials of veterans. His name was on that list, or at least someone with the same name, so I'm wondering if that was just the cheaper area of the cemetery. It's certainly not in easy proximity to the road or the more desirable and more level plots elsewhere in the cemetery. In regards to non-Catholics being buried in Catholic cemeteries, when my grandmother, a Lutheran, died in 1978, she was allowed to be buried in a Catholic cemetery (already consecrated ground) in Pittsburgh with my grandfather and other Catholic members of the family. The rules must have changed somewhere along the line, as my g-gm could not be buried with her Catholic husband in that same plot in 1936. That cemetery also has a section for baby burials, but I don't know if they are for baptized or unbaptized or both. Janet --- On Sat, 1/10/09, slbearer <slbearer@comcast.net> wrote: From: slbearer <slbearer@comcast.net> Subject: [PABLAIR] Calvary Cemetery, Altoona To: pacambri@rootsweb.com, pablair@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:58 PM I went looking in the Calvary Cemetery last summer & I was amazed at how huge a place this really was. I had no idea. I did not see these babies mentioned in the note below but am interested to find out also why they might have a section just for babies. Can someone on the Blair list possibly answer why there is a section just for babies in the Calvary cemetery as noted below? ----- Original Message ----- From: M Jenner To: slbearer ; pacambri@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics I remember as a child going to visit my grandfather's grave in Calvary Cemetery in Altoona and wandering over to a section of the cemetery that was all baby graves. I don't know if they were separated because they weren't baptized or whether they were separated because their parents would have been young at the time of the baby's death and didn't have a family plot. I was fascinated with the markers as some had little cherubs and angels on them. I still like to wander cemeteries and read the markers to this day. I guess that is why I am into genealogy.

My niece is in the "Babyland" section of a Mt Olivet Cemetery in Frederick MD. The area is for young parents who can't afford a plot or haven't decided where they want to be buried. If the parents eventually choose the same cemetery for themselves, they can have the baby relocated to their plot at no charge. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert McGonigle To: slbearer@comcast.net ; Cambria County Geneology ; pablair@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [PABLAIR] [PACAMBRI] Calvary Cemetery, Altoona Here in Columbus, Ohio at St. Joseph's Cemetery there is a section for babies called The Guardian Angel section. I have a cousin who is baried there (I think she was just a few weeks old). Their parents told me the baby was buried there because they could not afford to buy graves for themselves and burial in the Guardian Angel section was very inexpensive. Whether this is the same for Calvary mentioned below I don't know but many years ago I believe non-baptized babies were probably not allowed to be buried in a Catholic Cemetery. Marilynn would know...WHERE IS SHE BY THE WAY????? Robert McGonigle Columbus, Ohio> From: slbearer@comcast.net> To: pacambri@rootsweb.com; pablair@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:58:35 -0500> Subject: [PACAMBRI] Calvary Cemetery, Altoona> > I went looking in the Calvary Cemetery last summer & I was amazed at how huge a place this really was. I had no idea. I did not see these babies mentioned in the note below but am interested to find out also why they might have a section just for babies. Can someone on the Blair list possibly answer why there is a section just for babies in the Calvary cemetery as noted below? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Jenner > To: slbearer ; pacambri@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:33 PM> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics> > > I remember as a child going to visit my grandfather's grave in Calvary Cemetery in Altoona and wandering over to a section of the cemetery that was all baby graves. I don't know if they were separated because they weren't baptized or whether! they were separated because their parents would have been young at the time of the baby's death and didn't have a family plot. I was fascinated with the markers as some had little cherubs and angels on them. I still like to wander cemeteries and read the markers to this day. I guess that is why I am into genealogy. > - - - - - - - - - -> > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage:> http://www.camgenpa.com/> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To subscribe, unsubscribe or visit the PABLAIR mailing list archives, go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/PA/blair.html To sign up for the Daily Uploads mailing list of PA USGenWeb Archives, go to http://www.usgwarchives.net/mailman/listinfo/padailyuploads ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABLAIR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I saw a section of Calvary way at the back, almost where the cemetery drops off into a ravine - could that be the section you saw?  It has a lot of old baby burials, from the looks of some of the dates.  However, there aren't just babies there, as my gg-gf is also there, in the very last, or bottom, row, before the ravine.  I think the answer about the possibility of the families just not having a family plot is probably correct, but since my gg-gf is there also, perhaps it was just cheaper for anyone who didn't have a lot of money.  He had been in the Civil War, and there is a marker for that on his grave also.  Later I saw a list somewhere of moneys that the city or the county, I forget which, had paid for various miscellaneous items, and some of them appeared to be for burials of veterans.  His name was on that list, or at least someone with the same name, so I'm wondering if that was just the cheaper area of the cemetery.  It's certainly not in easy proximity to the road or the more desirable and more level plots elsewhere in the cemetery.   In regards to non-Catholics being buried in Catholic cemeteries, when my grandmother, a Lutheran, died in 1978, she was allowed to be buried in a Catholic cemetery (already consecrated ground) in Pittsburgh with my grandfather and other Catholic members of the family.  The rules must have changed somewhere along the line, as my g-gm could not be buried with her Catholic husband in that same plot in 1936.   That cemetery also has a section for baby burials, but I don't know if they are for baptized or unbaptized or both.   Janet  --- On Sat, 1/10/09, slbearer <slbearer@comcast.net> wrote: From: slbearer <slbearer@comcast.net> Subject: [PABLAIR] Calvary Cemetery, Altoona To: pacambri@rootsweb.com, pablair@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:58 PM I went looking in the Calvary Cemetery last summer & I was amazed at how huge a place this really was. I had no idea. I did not see these babies mentioned in the note below but am interested to find out also why they might have a section just for babies. Can someone on the Blair list possibly answer why there is a section just for babies in the Calvary cemetery as noted below? ----- Original Message ----- From: M Jenner To: slbearer ; pacambri@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics I remember as a child going to visit my grandfather's grave in Calvary Cemetery in Altoona and wandering over to a section of the cemetery that was all baby graves. I don't know if they were separated because they weren't baptized or whether they were separated because their parents would have been young at the time of the baby's death and didn't have a family plot. I was fascinated with the markers as some had little cherubs and angels on them. I still like to wander cemeteries and read the markers to this day. I guess that is why I am into genealogy. To subscribe, unsubscribe or visit the PABLAIR mailing list archives, go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/PA/blair.html To sign up for the Daily Uploads mailing list of PA USGenWeb Archives, go to http://www.usgwarchives.net/mailman/listinfo/padailyuploads ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABLAIR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The area in the upper corner of St. Bernard's was considered the burial ground for non-Catholics. This would be babies who die before being baptized, non-Catholics, ex-communicated Catholics, etc. In the past, the entire cemetery was blessed, except for the upper corner, so "non-Catholics" couldn't be buried there in the blessed part according to Catholic church rules. This is no longer the case in that cemetery as they bless the grave individually at each burial rather than the entire cemetery. I lived next to St. Bernard's growing up, our property touching St. Bernard's Cemetery, including the non-blessed corner. My mother had a baby who was born dead, and since they couldn't be baptized, was buried in that upper corner. A small, flat tombstone marks the grave, Baby Buck, 1957. Our Buck family plot is elsewhere in the cemetery. Cathy (Buck) Makara > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:53:38 -0500 > From: "slbearer" <slbearer@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics > To: <pacambri@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <32CE85DA1A8B4DE6AB2438D9D5035AA5@yourd0f670b45a> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > I agree with Mike that unbaptized babies were rare. Also the people > buried > in St. Bernard's really don't appear to be separated from their families & > they most certainly did have decent burials. I never would have known the > part across the top was any different then the rest of the cemetery if > someone from that area would not have explained what it was. I have > different areas of the family all over that whole cemetery so if I were to > have found someone there, I never would have thought anything of it. > There > is nothing that says or stands out to make anyone think it isn't part of > the > cemetery. I however would have preferred finding a family member close > (in > what appears to be the same cemetery then having to go across or to a > completely different town to find them. Catholics also have the option of > being buried in a non catholic cemetery with their non catholic spouse. > If > my husband wasn't Catholic I think I would also prefer a place like that > so > we could be buried together & still in the same cemetery where the rest of > my family is. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bea and Stan Rutherford" <beair@verizon.net> > To: "slbearer" <slbearer@comcast.net> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics > > >> Hu All, >> I was born raised and still am of Catholic Faith ....I have never heard >> of >> them burying a baby in a Potters Field because it was not baptised >> yet....nor for that I have never heard of them even having a " Potters >> Field " To seperate families.............So So So sad that somewhere that >> has happened ! >> Everyone has a right to have a decent burial - Baptised or whatever they >> may have done with their lives.....agree ? >> That I know of our church cemetery has no potters field ! I sure will >> check into that ! >> Kindly >> Bea >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "slbearer" <slbearer@comcast.net> >> To: <pacambri@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:17 AM >> Subject: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics >> >> >>> Marilyn wrote on here once that there is a "Potters Field" above the >>> cemetery in St. Bernard's Cemetery & that it was for the burial of >>> babies >>> who did not get baptised before they died, or for other ("Catholics" I >>> think) that had done criminal acts. Do they have a "Potters Fields" in >>> all Catholic Cemeteries? Does that person in that Potters Field have >>> had >>> to have belonged to a Catholic family? The requirement to being buried >>> in a Catholic Cemetery is still to have been baptised correct? >>> - - - - - - - - - - >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PACAMBRI list administrator, send an email to > PACAMBRI-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PACAMBRI mailing list, send an email to > PACAMBRI@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PACAMBRI Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 > *************************************** >

Here in Columbus, Ohio at St. Joseph's Cemetery there is a section for babies called The Guardian Angel section. I have a cousin who is baried there (I think she was just a few weeks old). Their parents told me the baby was buried there because they could not afford to buy graves for themselves and burial in the Guardian Angel section was very inexpensive. Whether this is the same for Calvary mentioned below I don't know but many years ago I believe non-baptized babies were probably not allowed to be buried in a Catholic Cemetery. Marilynn would know...WHERE IS SHE BY THE WAY????? Robert McGonigle Columbus, Ohio> From: slbearer@comcast.net> To: pacambri@rootsweb.com; pablair@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:58:35 -0500> Subject: [PACAMBRI] Calvary Cemetery, Altoona> > I went looking in the Calvary Cemetery last summer & I was amazed at how huge a place this really was. I had no idea. I did not see these babies mentioned in the note below but am interested to find out also why they might have a section just for babies. Can someone on the Blair list possibly answer why there is a section just for babies in the Calvary cemetery as noted below? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Jenner > To: slbearer ; pacambri@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:33 PM> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics> > > I remember as a child going to visit my grandfather's grave in Calvary Cemetery in Altoona and wandering over to a section of the cemetery that was all baby graves. I don't know if they were separated because they weren't baptized or whether they were separated because their parents would have been young at the time of the baby's death and didn't have a family plot. I was fascinated with the markers as some had little cherubs and angels on them. I still like to wander cemeteries and read the markers to this day. I guess that is why I am into genealogy. > - - - - - - - - - -> > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage:> http://www.camgenpa.com/> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I went looking in the Calvary Cemetery last summer & I was amazed at how huge a place this really was. I had no idea. I did not see these babies mentioned in the note below but am interested to find out also why they might have a section just for babies. Can someone on the Blair list possibly answer why there is a section just for babies in the Calvary cemetery as noted below? ----- Original Message ----- From: M Jenner To: slbearer ; pacambri@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics I remember as a child going to visit my grandfather's grave in Calvary Cemetery in Altoona and wandering over to a section of the cemetery that was all baby graves. I don't know if they were separated because they weren't baptized or whether they were separated because their parents would have been young at the time of the baby's death and didn't have a family plot. I was fascinated with the markers as some had little cherubs and angels on them. I still like to wander cemeteries and read the markers to this day. I guess that is why I am into genealogy.

I agree with Mike that unbaptized babies were rare. Also the people buried in St. Bernard's really don't appear to be separated from their families & they most certainly did have decent burials. I never would have known the part across the top was any different then the rest of the cemetery if someone from that area would not have explained what it was. I have different areas of the family all over that whole cemetery so if I were to have found someone there, I never would have thought anything of it. There is nothing that says or stands out to make anyone think it isn't part of the cemetery. I however would have preferred finding a family member close (in what appears to be the same cemetery then having to go across or to a completely different town to find them. Catholics also have the option of being buried in a non catholic cemetery with their non catholic spouse. If my husband wasn't Catholic I think I would also prefer a place like that so we could be buried together & still in the same cemetery where the rest of my family is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bea and Stan Rutherford" <beair@verizon.net> To: "slbearer" <slbearer@comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics > Hu All, > I was born raised and still am of Catholic Faith ....I have never heard of > them burying a baby in a Potters Field because it was not baptised > yet....nor for that I have never heard of them even having a " Potters > Field " To seperate families.............So So So sad that somewhere that > has happened ! > Everyone has a right to have a decent burial - Baptised or whatever they > may have done with their lives.....agree ? > That I know of our church cemetery has no potters field ! I sure will > check into that ! > Kindly > Bea > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "slbearer" <slbearer@comcast.net> > To: <pacambri@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:17 AM > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics > > >> Marilyn wrote on here once that there is a "Potters Field" above the >> cemetery in St. Bernard's Cemetery & that it was for the burial of babies >> who did not get baptised before they died, or for other ("Catholics" I >> think) that had done criminal acts. Do they have a "Potters Fields" in >> all Catholic Cemeteries? Does that person in that Potters Field have had >> to have belonged to a Catholic family? The requirement to being buried >> in a Catholic Cemetery is still to have been baptised correct? >> - - - - - - - - - - >>

I remember as a child going to visit my grandfather's grave in Calvary Cemetery in Altoona and wandering over to a section of the cemetery that was all baby graves. I don't know if they were separated because they weren't baptized or whether they were separated because their parents would have been young at the time of the baby's death and didn't have a family plot. I was fascinated with the markers as some had little cherubs and angels on them. I still like to wander cemeteries and read the markers to this day. I guess that is why I am into genealogy. ________________________________ From: slbearer <slbearer@comcast.net> To: pacambri@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:53:38 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Potters Field & Catholics I agree with Mike that unbaptized babies were rare. Also the people buried in St. Bernard's really don't appear to be separated from their families & they most certainly did have decent burials. I never would have known the part across the top was any different then the rest of the cemetery if someone from that area would not have explained what it was. I have different areas of the family all over that whole cemetery so if I were to have found someone there, I never would have thought anything of it. There is nothing that says or stands out to make anyone think it isn't part of the cemetery. I however would have preferred finding a family member close (in what appears to be the same cemetery then having to go across or to a completely different town to find them. Catholics also have the option of being buried in a non catholic cemetery with their non catholic spouse. If my husband wasn't Catholic I think I would also prefer a place like that so we could be buried together & still in the same cemetery where the rest of my family is.

Thank you for the web site for the Log Cabin Community Arts Center.? That is the correct one. Sharon

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I have property in New Ashtola and I pay my taxes to Ogle Township. The western exteme of Ogle Twp. goes that far. As a matter of fact if you pay attention on route 160 south you goe from Paint to Ogle then Shade Twps. Ed Surkosky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian L Cartwright" <brian.cartwright2@verizon.net> To: "Batha Karr" <batha.k@comcast.net> Cc: <PACAMBRI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Ashtola >>> Some of my family came from Ashtola and this is a town I have not >>> heard of. Can anyone tell me what it is like there today? It must be >>> near Windber. > >> It is now called New Astola and it is just south east of Johnstown > > On Rte 56, east of Windber, west of Ogletown, in Paint Twp, Somerset Co > > Brian > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACAMBRI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message