this is a process I can never remember in the proper sequence. can someone explain to me the process of naturalization. Declaration of Intention and Petition for Naturalization which is first to file? what is the time frame to live here before you can file? what is the time frame of waiting between the different filed papers? any other information is greatly appreciated Thank you Sharon

I have a couple who married January 30, 1912. I have a copy of the marriage license. I do NOT have a copy of the consent to marry by the parent. It states on the marriage application that the mother of the bride gave consent for her daughter Victoria to marry at the age of 18. Does that mean that the mother giving consent must be in America and present to give her consent? thank you Sharon

Sharon, I have the same thing on my parents marriage appl. I don't know about being in America, But it was the fathers that gave the consent, not the mothers. Art On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a couple who married January 30, 1912. I have a copy of the marriage > license. I do NOT have a copy of the consent to marry by the parent. It > states on the marriage application that the mother of the bride gave > consent for her daughter Victoria to marry at the age of 18. > > Does that mean that the mother giving consent must be in America and > present to give her consent? > > thank you > Sharon > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The mother gave the consent if the father was deceased. That was the case with my great grandmother's marriage. ________________________________ From: Art Moore <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry Sharon, I have the same thing on my parents marriage appl. I don't know about being in America, But it was the fathers that gave the consent, not the mothers. Art On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a couple who married January 30, 1912. I have a copy of the marriage >  license.  I do NOT have a copy of the consent to marry by the parent.  It > states on the marriage application that the mother of the bride gave > consent  for her daughter Victoria to marry at the age of 18. > > Does that mean that the mother giving consent must be in America and > present to give her consent? > > thank you > Sharon > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy Caruthers Karns said: Hi, since this topic resurfaced I'll add my two cents. I'm from Harrisburg, Pa. and there was an article in the local Patriot News dated 8/1/2011 talking about a laser scanning project of the Mt. Calvary Cemtery belonging to the Hbg. Catholic Diocese in a joint venture by Historic American Landscape Surveys, the National Park Service, and a local firm Land Logistics Group. I'm sure that when the Diocese contracted with these groups for this joint project/venture the cemetery information became proprietary and no longer public information. Unfortunately, this probably means that down the road this cemetery info and probably others will appear somewhere on a paid/ subscription site. I would be curious if the woman that got in trouble for taking and posting the photograph was informed about the laser scanning thing. =========================== I'm just not sure they can legally claim the information on the tombstones as their property. They can own their presentation of the information, but I do not believe they own the info itself. Anyone else could repost, as long as they did the work themselves and didn't just copy the original work. There was a 1991 Supreme Court case where the court ruled that a phone company had no ownership of the info in it's own directory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural Brian Cartwright Johnstown

Thanks to all. I really appreciate Jim's , Diann's and Don's efforts on St John cemetery. Mike Mertle

Hi, since this topic resurfaced I'll add my two cents. I'm from Harrisburg, Pa. and there was an article in the local Patriot News dated 8/1/2011 talking about a laser scanning project of the Mt. Calvary Cemtery belonging to the Hbg. Catholic Diocese in a joint venture by Historic American Landscape Surveys, the National Park Service, and a local firm Land Logistics Group. Here are three paragraphs from the article: "Sally B. Holbert, Land Logistics landscape architect and principal, said that the goal of the cooperative project is to develop a digital inventory of the cemetery. The study, being done at no charge to the city or the Roman Catholic Diocese of Harrisburg, involves workers using a large laser scanner to map out a grid to produce a detailed layout of the cemetery and a global positioning unit on a stick to pinpoint satellite signals for a point of reference. Data, at first produced in dot form, will be translated into detailed renditions of each grave in the cemetery and the entire cemetery. Holbert said that when the study is complete, cemetery officials will have information to better manage the cemetery, help people doing genealogy research and encourage use of the cemetery for recreation. Finding better use for existing land is her passion, she said." I'm sure that when the Diocese contracted with these groups for this joint project/venture the cemetery information became proprietary and no longer public information. Unfortunately, this probably means that down the road this cemetery info and probably others will appear somewhere on a paid/ subscription site. I would be curious if the woman that got in trouble for taking and posting the photograph was informed about the laser scanning thing. Nancy Caruthers Karns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marilyn Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:27 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question This is why places like Staples will not copy a photograph taken by a professional photographer--unless is a very old one which is probably beyond copyright law. Marilyn Kline Washington ============================================================================== This communication, including attachments, is confidential, may be subject to legal privileges, and is intended for the sole use of the addressee. Any use, duplication, disclosure or dissemination of this communication, other than by the addressee, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete or destroy this communication and all copies.

This is why places like Staples will not copy a photograph taken by a professional photographer--unless is a very old one which is probably beyond copyright law. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin <[email protected]> To: PACAMBRI-L <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 10:34 am Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question Oh my yes she IS the copyright holder. Registering the copyright gives extra rotection But there is no rule that one must apply for copyright. According to U.S. Copyright Law, the photographer owns the copyright, negatives, r digital files on all images shot. This is same copyright law that protects all artists and people who reate--whether they be composers, authors, watercolorists, photographers... Robert Jerin --- On Sat, 10/1/11, James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> wrote: > From: James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question To: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]>, "Janet L. Gray" [email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 9:48 AM I wonder if you are correct in say in the instance you mention below that she became the copyright holder. I think that applies to professional photographers if I am not mistaken. I doubt if my family album would be copyrighted. I think also one must apply for a copyright as well. I think also there are a number of years attached to a copyright. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]> To: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > Janet, I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries, both on private > property > and church grounds, and have never encountered anything like this. Most > states have provisions spelled out in the State Code covering the > responsibilities of the cemetery visitor/researcher and the cemetery > owner/land owner. > I have read that some business cemeteries with celeberity burials do > charge > professional photographers. > Here in the area where I live, East Tennessee/Southwest Virginia, I have > usually found extremely helpful land owners go out of their way, unlocking > gates, providing access through pastures, guiding my route to the cemetery > and being very apprecitative that someone is making an effort to preserve > these old cemeteries and present them for genealogical use. > I have photographed in White Township, Reade Township, Hart's Sleeping > Place > in Cambria County and Beccaria Township in Clearfield County. All these > photos are on-line on either the Cambria County web site or my own web > site. > In addition, I administer the Scott County, Virginia Historical Society > web > site where we presently have 470+ cemeteries photographed, the majority of > which I have photographed. > The lady that took the tombstone photos for you broke no law nor did she > in > any way show disrespect to the cemetery. By taking the photograph, she > became the copyright holder of that specific photograph. > Please tell her to keep up the good work. > > Kenny Stallard > Host, White Township Web Site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:00 AM > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > >> Is there any church rules about taking photographs of headstones in a >> Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? >> >> The reason I asked: >> On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a cousin's headstone in a >> Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania and a very kind lady >> took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was on site for a week when >> she was notified to take it off the site or the cemetery officials would >> sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other things. >> >> Just Curious, >> Janet (Maryland) >> >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

This is why places like Staples will not copy a photograph taken by a professional photographer--unless is a very old one which is probably beyond copyright law. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jerin <[email protected]> To: PACAMBRI-L <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Oct 1, 2011 10:34 am Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question Oh my yes she IS the copyright holder. Registering the copyright gives extra rotection But there is no rule that one must apply for copyright. According to U.S. Copyright Law, the photographer owns the copyright, negatives, r digital files on all images shot. This is same copyright law that protects all artists and people who reate--whether they be composers, authors, watercolorists, photographers... Robert Jerin --- On Sat, 10/1/11, James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> wrote: > From: James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question To: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]>, "Janet L. Gray" [email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 9:48 AM I wonder if you are correct in say in the instance you mention below that she became the copyright holder. I think that applies to professional photographers if I am not mistaken. I doubt if my family album would be copyrighted. I think also one must apply for a copyright as well. I think also there are a number of years attached to a copyright. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]> To: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > Janet, I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries, both on private > property > and church grounds, and have never encountered anything like this. Most > states have provisions spelled out in the State Code covering the > responsibilities of the cemetery visitor/researcher and the cemetery > owner/land owner. > I have read that some business cemeteries with celeberity burials do > charge > professional photographers. > Here in the area where I live, East Tennessee/Southwest Virginia, I have > usually found extremely helpful land owners go out of their way, unlocking > gates, providing access through pastures, guiding my route to the cemetery > and being very apprecitative that someone is making an effort to preserve > these old cemeteries and present them for genealogical use. > I have photographed in White Township, Reade Township, Hart's Sleeping > Place > in Cambria County and Beccaria Township in Clearfield County. All these > photos are on-line on either the Cambria County web site or my own web > site. > In addition, I administer the Scott County, Virginia Historical Society > web > site where we presently have 470+ cemeteries photographed, the majority of > which I have photographed. > The lady that took the tombstone photos for you broke no law nor did she > in > any way show disrespect to the cemetery. By taking the photograph, she > became the copyright holder of that specific photograph. > Please tell her to keep up the good work. > > Kenny Stallard > Host, White Township Web Site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:00 AM > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > >> Is there any church rules about taking photographs of headstones in a >> Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? >> >> The reason I asked: >> On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a cousin's headstone in a >> Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania and a very kind lady >> took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was on site for a week when >> she was notified to take it off the site or the cemetery officials would >> sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other things. >> >> Just Curious, >> Janet (Maryland) >> >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Thanks to James T. Rosenbaum we've now got a complete listing of the St. John Gualbert Cemetery on the web site. Jim contributed full photo surveys of several of the Richland Twp cemeteries (as well as a few cemeteries in other townships) this summer. A total of somewhere around 18,000 photos in all. To see the "new" St. John's listing go to: http://www.camgenpa.com/db/cemetery/cemList.php?cem=85 We're trying to get these listings updated first, before getting photos online, but the photos will be added in the future. Lynne & Diann

I hope these connections are correct.  If not, PLEASE let me know.   Is anyone out there related to this family?  I am through Louisa Rowe.  She was my gg-grandfather's sister.  Descendants of Samuel Caddy and Louisa Rowe  1 Samuel Caddy b: Abt. 1831 in Trenewyack, Cornwall d: in Pennsylvania? .. +Louisa Rowe b: September 11, 1842 in Marazion, Cornwall, England m: August 19, 1861 in St. Hilary, Cornwall, England d: August 1880 in Schuylkill Co.?, Pennsylvania .... 2 James Caddy b: March 05, 1864 in Marazion, Cornwall, England ........ +Bertha Martin b: Abt. 1865 in Atlantic Ocean m: 1887 ........... 3 James Caddy b: Abt. 1889 in Pennsylvania d: November 1976 in Gilbertson, Schuykill Co., Pennsylvania ............... +Katheryn Hoffman b: 1890 in Pennsylvania m: 1909 ................. 4 Florence Caddy b: 1913 in Pennsylvania ..................... +Borden ................. 4 Thomas F. Caddy b: Abt. 1922 in Pennsylvania ..................... +Mary Jane Ryan b: August 27, 1925 in Mahanoy City, Pennsylvania d: February 26, 2003 ........................ 5 James Michael Caddy d: 1960 ........................ 5 Catherine Ann Caddy ............................ +Dietrich ........................ 5 Susan F. Caddy ............................ +Williams ........................ 5 Carol Lynn Caddy ................. 4 Mary Caddy b: 1911 in Pennsylvania ..................... +Rudnicki ................. 4 Kathryn Caddy b: 1915 in Pennsylvania ..................... +Soult ................. 4 Harold J. Caddy b: 1918 in Pennsylvania ..................... +Catherine ........................ 5 Joseph Caddy ........................ 5 Thomas Caddy ........................ 5 Dru Caddy ........................ 5 Mary Caddy ............................ +Jester ................. 4 James A. Caddy b: September 24, 1919 in Gilberton, Pennsylvania d: February 2000 in Fredericksburg, Virginia ..................... +Emma L. Harris b: 1923 in Frackville, Pennsylvania m: Abt. 1941 d: April 23, 1999 in Gilberton, Pennsylvania ........................ 5 Thomas H. Caddy ........................ 5 William F. Caddy b: Abt. 1963 in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania d: January 12, 2002 in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania ............................ +Rita ........... 3 Elizabeth M. Caddy b: July 1890 ........... 3 Thomas C. Caddy b: March 1892 ........... 3 Bertha W. Caddy b: 1895 ........... 3 Viola Caddy b: July 1895 ........... 3 Mabel Caddy b: September 1896 ........... 3 Sarah M. Caddy b: 1897 ........... 3 John G. Caddy b: 1898 .... 2 Francis John Caddy b: 1869 in New Jersey .... 2 Emma Jane Caddy b: 1873 in Pennsylvania d: Aft. 1930 in Scott, Columbia Co., Pennsylvania ........ +Charles W. Eckroth b: 1865 d: February 12, 1946 ........... 3 Daisy M. Eckroth b: November 18, 1890 d: July 20, 1962 ............... +Emerson Jones b: 1887 in Pennsylvania ................. 4 Irene L. Jones b: 1912 ................. 4 Howard M. Jones b: 1917 ................. 4 Dorothy A. Jones b: 1920 ........... 3 Raymond Charles Eckroth b: February 12, 1898 d: February 19, 1959 ............... +Grace Bell b: 1896 in Pennsylvania ................. 4 Faye Eckroth b: 1921 in Pennsylvania ................. 4 Elinor Eckroth b: 1926 in Pennsylvania ........... 3 John Wilbur Eckroth b: March 06, 1904 in Pennsylvania d: June 03, 1998 ............... +Elma M. Smith b: April 28, 1907 d: June 12, 1907 ................. 4 Alvin Eckroth b: 1929 .... 2 Sarah L. Caddy b: 1876 in Pennsylvania

Hello Cambria Researchers, Here are the latest updates to the Cambria Schools Pages (Which includes the nearby Somerset County schools of Conemaugh Township and Windber).   http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacambr2/       Please let me know of any mistakes you may find and I Will try to make the corrections as soon as possible You can contact me with your comment or suggestions at: [email protected]   HS YEARBOOKS & SENIOR PICTURES: * = Somerset Co. Schools Central Cambria HS Yearbook – 1983 Conemaugh Valley HS Yearbook – 1984 Gallitzin HS Class of 1928 Glendale HS (Reade Ctr) Class of 1968 Mt. Aloysius Academy HS Yearbook - 1960   Penn Cambria HS Yearbook -2003 Westmont Hilltop HS Yearbook – 1990 Wilmore HS Class of 1932 * Windber HS Yearbook – 1939 HIGH SCHOOL REUNION PICTURES: Ebensburg Cambria HS Class of 1955 – 2010 Reunion ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PICTURES:    Fifficktown 5th Grade - 1959 Fifficktown 6th Grade - 1960 HS REUNION ANNONCMENT: Johnstown Vo-Tech Classes of 1980 thru 1986 See the Main Page of the Cambria Schools Pages   When using the search engine to find someone, try with just the surname.  For additional search engine TIPS,  go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacambr2/searchtips.html

myths about copyrights http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > Thank You to all who responded to my query. > > The lady that took the photo did contact the Harrisburg Diocese and they > told her they would comprise with her, they would not sue and she would > not take any more photos in their cemetery. > > Strange People. > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank You to all who responded to my query. The lady that took the photo did contact the Harrisburg Diocese and they told her they would comprise with her, they would not sue and she would not take any more photos in their cemetery. Strange People.

I wonder if you are correct in say in the instance you mention below that she became the copyright holder. I think that applies to professional photographers if I am not mistaken. I doubt if my family album would be copyrighted. I think also one must apply for a copyright as well. I think also there are a number of years attached to a copyright. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]> To: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > Janet, I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries, both on private > property > and church grounds, and have never encountered anything like this. Most > states have provisions spelled out in the State Code covering the > responsibilities of the cemetery visitor/researcher and the cemetery > owner/land owner. > I have read that some business cemeteries with celeberity burials do > charge > professional photographers. > Here in the area where I live, East Tennessee/Southwest Virginia, I have > usually found extremely helpful land owners go out of their way, unlocking > gates, providing access through pastures, guiding my route to the cemetery > and being very apprecitative that someone is making an effort to preserve > these old cemeteries and present them for genealogical use. > I have photographed in White Township, Reade Township, Hart's Sleeping > Place > in Cambria County and Beccaria Township in Clearfield County. All these > photos are on-line on either the Cambria County web site or my own web > site. > In addition, I administer the Scott County, Virginia Historical Society > web > site where we presently have 470+ cemeteries photographed, the majority of > which I have photographed. > The lady that took the tombstone photos for you broke no law nor did she > in > any way show disrespect to the cemetery. By taking the photograph, she > became the copyright holder of that specific photograph. > Please tell her to keep up the good work. > > Kenny Stallard > Host, White Township Web Site > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:00 AM > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > >> Is there any church rules about taking photographs of headstones in a >> Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? >> >> The reason I asked: >> On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a cousin's headstone in a >> Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania and a very kind lady >> took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was on site for a week when >> she was notified to take it off the site or the cemetery officials would >> sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other things. >> >> Just Curious, >> Janet (Maryland) >> >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janet, I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries, both on private property and church grounds, and have never encountered anything like this. Most states have provisions spelled out in the State Code covering the responsibilities of the cemetery visitor/researcher and the cemetery owner/land owner. I have read that some business cemeteries with celeberity burials do charge professional photographers. Here in the area where I live, East Tennessee/Southwest Virginia, I have usually found extremely helpful land owners go out of their way, unlocking gates, providing access through pastures, guiding my route to the cemetery and being very apprecitative that someone is making an effort to preserve these old cemeteries and present them for genealogical use. I have photographed in White Township, Reade Township, Hart's Sleeping Place in Cambria County and Beccaria Township in Clearfield County. All these photos are on-line on either the Cambria County web site or my own web site. In addition, I administer the Scott County, Virginia Historical Society web site where we presently have 470+ cemeteries photographed, the majority of which I have photographed. The lady that took the tombstone photos for you broke no law nor did she in any way show disrespect to the cemetery. By taking the photograph, she became the copyright holder of that specific photograph. Please tell her to keep up the good work. Kenny Stallard Host, White Township Web Site ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:00 AM Subject: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > Is there any church rules about taking photographs of headstones in a > Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? > > The reason I asked: > On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a cousin's headstone in a > Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania and a very kind lady > took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was on site for a week when > she was notified to take it off the site or the cemetery officials would > sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other things. > > Just Curious, > Janet (Maryland) > > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have taken thousands of tombstone photographs, and posted them on the USGenWeb, and have never run into a situation where a church threatened me with legal action. I have done a little research into the matter, and with my limited understanding, the church can not "sue" the photographer. While the church could say that the cemetery is private grounds, they do allow public access to the site. As they open the site to the public during regular hours, and do not restrict the flow of the public to the site, then the cemetery is in the public view during those periods. Anything that is in the view of the public may legally be photographed without recourse. For instance, if you park your car on the public street, I can take as many pictures of your car I want. Whether you like it or not. I can not however, take photos of your car if you have it parked in your garage with the doors closed on your own land. Then I would be tresspassing. But when your placed your car in a public area, in the public view, it becomes fair to photograph it. If the cemetery is open to the public during certain hours, then the tombstones are in the public view. I would be interested to hear of any one else who has had experience in this. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Janet L. Gray <[email protected]>wrote: > Is there any church rules about taking photographs of headstones in a > Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? > > The reason I asked: > On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a cousin's headstone in a > Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania and a very kind lady took > a photo and posted it for me. The photo was on site for a week when she was > notified to take it off the site or the cemetery officials would sue her for > trespassing and a bunch of other things. > > Just Curious, > Janet (Maryland) > > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ellis Michaels Pennsylvania GenWeb [email protected] *"If you would not be forgotten,* *When you are dead and rotten...* *Either write things worth reading,* *Or do things worth writing about."* *Benjamin Franklin*

Oh my yes she IS the copyright holder. Registering the copyright gives extra protection But there is no rule that one must apply for copyright. According to U.S. Copyright Law, the photographer owns the copyright, negatives, or digital files on all images shot. This is same copyright law that protects all artists and people who create--whether they be composers, authors, watercolorists, photographers... Robert Jerin --- On Sat, 10/1/11, James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> wrote: > From: James Thomas Rosenbaum <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > To: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]>, "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 9:48 AM > I wonder if you are correct in say in > the instance you mention below that > she became the copyright holder. I think that applies to > professional > photographers if I am not mistaken. > I doubt if my family album would be copyrighted. I think > also one must apply > for a copyright as well. I think also there are a number of > years attached > to a copyright. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rosalie Stallard" <[email protected]> > To: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > > > Janet, I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries, > both on private > > property > > and church grounds, and have never encountered > anything like this.  Most > > states have provisions spelled out in the State Code > covering the > > responsibilities of the cemetery visitor/researcher > and the cemetery > > owner/land owner. > > I have read that some business cemeteries with > celeberity burials do > > charge > > professional photographers. > > Here in the area where I live, East > Tennessee/Southwest Virginia, I have > > usually found extremely helpful land owners go out of > their way, unlocking > > gates, providing access through pastures, guiding my > route to the cemetery > > and being very apprecitative that someone is making an > effort to preserve > > these old cemeteries and present them for genealogical > use. > > I have photographed in White Township, Reade Township, > Hart's Sleeping > > Place > > in Cambria  County and Beccaria Township in > Clearfield County.  All these > > photos are on-line on either the Cambria County web > site or my own web > > site. > > In addition, I administer the Scott County, Virginia > Historical Society > > web > > site where we presently have 470+ cemeteries > photographed, the majority of > > which I have photographed. > > The lady that took the tombstone photos for you broke > no law nor did she > > in > > any way show disrespect to the cemetery.  By > taking the photograph, she > > became the copyright holder of that specific > photograph. > > Please tell her to keep up the good work. > > > > Kenny Stallard > > Host, White Township Web Site > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janet L. Gray" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:00 AM > > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Catholic Cemetery Question > > > > > >> Is there any church rules about taking photographs > of headstones in a > >> Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? > >> > >> The reason I asked: > >> On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a > cousin's headstone in a > >> Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania > and a very kind lady > >> took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was > on site for a week when > >> she was notified to take it off the site or the > cemetery officials would > >> sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other > things. > >> > >> Just Curious, > >> Janet (Maryland) > >> > >> > >> > >> - - - - - - - - - - > >> > >> Search for more Cambria County information on our > webpage: > >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Search for more Cambria County information on our > webpage: > > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know who the parents of Margaret Jane Arnold are? She was married to Joseph Francis Fleming. They had 3 children Tom, Debbie and Dan. James Thomas Rosenbaum 310 Melvin Street Johnstown, PA 15904-1219 814-266-6855

Is there any church rules about taking photographs of headstones in a Catholic cemetery in Pennsylvania? The reason I asked: On "Find A Grave.com" I requested a photo of a cousin's headstone in a Catholic Cemetery in another part of Pennsylvania and a very kind lady took a photo and posted it for me. The photo was on site for a week when she was notified to take it off the site or the cemetery officials would sue her for trespassing and a bunch of other things. Just Curious, Janet (Maryland)