Can someone help me decipher something on a certificate. As I was doing research on my in-law's side, whey were from Illinois and went to Kentucky to marry, being they were 3rd cousins, where that was permissable. The top of their license stated "Marriage Bond" and further read..., "Walter, as principal, and Alvina, as surety, are jointly and severally bound to the Commonwealth of Kentucky, in the sum of ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS. THIS BOND IS CONDITIONED AS FOLLOWS: That, whereas marriage is intended to be solemnized between Walter and Alvina. Now, if there is no lawful cause to obstruct said Marriage, this bond shall be void, otherwise it shall be and remain in full force and effect. " ...., so does that say that the bond was voided and given back, if they married or if they didn't marry? In 1940s, a hundred dollars was a lot for those days, especially being a farmer and truck driver. Thanks a bunch, Jackie (Bastian) Engelman "Looking for roots under the Cambria Tree"

I know some of my Westmoreland ancestors went to West Virginia. So that is another resource. They have online records and include consent if applicable. Although some of mine lied on theirs. On 10/11/2011 10:30 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Some went across the border to Virginia where laws were different. > > A pastor did take the time to have the kids to call home before he would marry the couple in 1960. > > Dave Rose > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Myrna Greene<[email protected]> > To: PACAMBRI<[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:25 am > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent > > > When I was married, in 1959, I had to have a parent sign for me as I was 19. I > elieve the age was 21 w/o consent at that time. > > oni Greene > - - - - - - - - - > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.914 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11 02:34:00 >

There must have been a train to Winchester, Va., because I saw a LOT of Cambria marriages there a few years ago when I was at the courthouse there. Diann -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:30 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent Some went across the border to Virginia where laws were different. A pastor did take the time to have the kids to call home before he would marry the couple in 1960. Dave Rose

Some went across the border to Virginia where laws were different. A pastor did take the time to have the kids to call home before he would marry the couple in 1960. Dave Rose -----Original Message----- From: Myrna Greene <[email protected]> To: PACAMBRI <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:25 am Subject: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent When I was married, in 1959, I had to have a parent sign for me as I was 19. I elieve the age was 21 w/o consent at that time. oni Greene - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

To Robert Jerin, Please send us the link to a primer on Naturalization that you mentioned. Thanks in advance. Carolyn McFarlane *********** Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Jerin<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Naturalization Process To:[email protected], PA Cambria County<[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 First one must DECLARE their INTENT to become a US Citizen, then they PETITION the court to obtain US Citizensnhip... an easy way to remember the FIRST step is that one must DECLARE.... Here is a link to a primer on Naturalization over the years as it relates to genealogy Robert Jerin -

When I was married, in 1959, I had to have a parent sign for me as I was 19.  I believe the age was 21 w/o consent at that time. Toni Greene

http://www.infoukes.com/genealogy/primer/naturalization.html Robert Jerin --- On Tue, 10/11/11, Carolyn McFarlane <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Carolyn McFarlane <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Naturalization Process > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2011, 3:38 AM > > To Robert Jerin, > > Please send us the link to a primer on Naturalization that > you > mentioned.  Thanks in advance. > > Carolyn McFarlane > > *********** > > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:39:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Jerin<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Naturalization Process > To:[email protected], > PA Cambria County<[email protected]> > Message-ID: >     <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > First one must DECLARE their INTENT to become a US Citizen, > then they PETITION the court to obtain US > Citizensnhip...  an easy way to remember the FIRST step > is that one must DECLARE.... > > Here is a link to a primer on Naturalization over the years > as it relates to genealogy > > > Robert Jerin > > > - > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

My great grandmother was a mother and a widow at age 18 in 1865. Two years later, when she wanted to remarry, her mother had to give consent. This was in Westmoreland County. I have the consent form. Beth -------Original Message------- From: Brian L. Cartwright Date: 10/10/2011 6:23:04 PM To: Donna Hughes; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry I have never asked for the consent forms, but consent only had to be given for a person under age 21. However, that is an excellent suggestion for when you have a younger person on the marriage license. Brian Cartwright Johnstown -----Original Message----- From: Donna Hughes Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 20:17 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry I visited the Cambria County Records office in person to get a marriage certificate. When I was given a copy of the document I looked at it and saw that the parents had to give consent. I asked if there was more documentation. The woman went back and came out with copies of the consent forms that each set of parents had signed, which had more information about the families on them. So, ask for ALL documents related to the marriage, not just the marriage certificate. Donna - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Today the marriage law is as follows: under 18 need a parents consent. under 14 to 16 need consent of parent and a court judge. we do marriage licenses in our office at work. Sharon

Starting in 1885 Pennsylvania required marriage licenses which were issued by the counties, but the state set the age of consent at 21. It may have been later lowered to 18, but I don't know when. The state recognized marriage in other states, and Maryland did not have an age of consent (or it must have been very low), as many couples took a train to Cumberland to get married without consent, some in my records as young as 14. Brian Cartwright Johnstown -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 09:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [PACAMBRI] Consent to marry This issue has also come up in our research of the Michael and Petronella Popovich family.One of my uncle (Joseph) son of Michael and Petronella married in 1939. His wife was under 21 and needed parental permission. Several questions. Was the law under 18 at one time and then changed to under 21? Was it always under 21? At what jurisdiction level was this law set? State? County? Something else? When was this passed? Is it still in effect? Bob Poppy You manage things, you lead people. We went overboard on management and forgot about leadership. It might help if we ran the MBAs out of Washington. Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper (Mother COBOL) ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e92f1de327acc49f7st01duc - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have never asked for the consent forms, but consent only had to be given for a person under age 21. However, that is an excellent suggestion for when you have a younger person on the marriage license. Brian Cartwright Johnstown -----Original Message----- From: Donna Hughes Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 20:17 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry I visited the Cambria County Records office in person to get a marriage certificate. When I was given a copy of the document I looked at it and saw that the parents had to give consent. I asked if there was more documentation. The woman went back and came out with copies of the consent forms that each set of parents had signed, which had more information about the families on them. So, ask for ALL documents related to the marriage, not just the marriage certificate. Donna - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I visited the Cambria County Records office in person to get a marriage certificate. When I was given a copy of the document I looked at it and saw that the parents had to give consent. I asked if there was more documentation. The woman went back and came out with copies of the consent forms that each set of parents had signed, which had more information about the families on them. So, ask for ALL documents related to the marriage, not just the marriage certificate. Donna

So I can assume the father was deceased either here or in Europe and the mother consented. I can also assume that the mother could have been here in America or in Europe. To the best of my knowledge the parents of this bride, my great grandmother, were never in America. Should I look for a consent form that was signed or it should have been all together with the application. On the application it says "with mother's consent filed" ( signature of mother) in different handwriting than the person who filled out the application. Thank you Sharon

Did Mary recieve consent :) Robert Jerin --- On Mon, 10/10/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Mary > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 9:54 PM > > Today the marriage law is as follows: under 18 need a > parents  consent. > under 14 to 16 need consent of parent and a court judge. we > do marriage  > licenses in our office at work. > > Sharon > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

My grandfather's first wife who was 17 and working in Pittsburgh was considered a ward of the court when they married in 1894.  She petitioned for and was assigned a guardian the same day, even though her parents were living in Johnstown.  Do you think this would mean she was estranged from her parents?   Sandy Laurie

This issue has also come up in our research of the Michael and Petronella Popovich family.One of my uncle (Joseph) son of Michael and Petronella married in 1939. His wife was under 21 and needed parental permission. Several questions. Was the law under 18 at one time and then changed to under 21? Was it always under 21? At what jurisdiction level was this law set? State? County? Something else? When was this passed? Is it still in effect? Bob Poppy You manage things, you lead people. We went overboard on management and forgot about leadership. It might help if we ran the MBAs out of Washington. Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper (Mother COBOL) ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e92f1de327acc49f7st01duc

Am I missing the link you mention or was it not included? Thank you Sharon Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:39 AM, Robert Jerin <[email protected]> wrote: > First one must DECLARE their INTENT to become a US Citizen, then > they PETITION the court to obtain US Citizensnhip... an easy way to > remember the FIRST step is that one must DECLARE.... > > Here is a link to a primer on Naturalization over the years as it > relates to genealogy > > > Robert Jerin > > > --- On Sun, 10/9/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: [PACAMBRI] Naturalization Process >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, October 9, 2011, 9:54 PM >> this is a process I can never >> remember in the proper sequence. can someone >> explain to me the process of naturalization. >> >> Declaration of Intention >> and >> Petition for Naturalization >> >> which is first to file? >> what is the time frame to live here before you can file? >> what is the time frame of waiting between the different >> filed papers? >> any other information is greatly appreciated >> >> Thank you >> Sharon >> - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >>

> That is unless the father was > deceased. > > And... no the parent did NOT need to live in America.  > I have seen cases where many young women were sent to > America, without parents, to marry. > > Robert Jerin > > > --- On Sun, 10/9/11, Art Moore <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: Art Moore <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Date: Sunday, October 9, 2011, 10:22 PM > > Sharon, > > I have the same thing on my parents marriage appl. > > I don't know about being in America, But it > > was the fathers that gave the consent, not the > mothers. > > > > Art > > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:50 PM, <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > I have a couple who married January 30, 1912. I > have a > > copy of the marriage > > >  license.  I do NOT have a copy of the > > consent to marry by the parent.   It > > > states on the marriage application that the > mother of > > the bride gave > > > consent  for her daughter Victoria to marry at > > the age of 18. > > > > > > Does that mean that the mother giving consent > must be > > in America and > > > present to give her consent? > > > > > > thank you > > > Sharon > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > Search for more Cambria County information on > our > > webpage: > > > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Search for more Cambria County information on our > webpage: > > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > >

First one must DECLARE their INTENT to become a US Citizen, then they PETITION the court to obtain US Citizensnhip... an easy way to remember the FIRST step is that one must DECLARE.... Here is a link to a primer on Naturalization over the years as it relates to genealogy Robert Jerin --- On Sun, 10/9/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Naturalization Process > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, October 9, 2011, 9:54 PM > this is a process I can never > remember in the proper sequence. can someone  > explain to me the process of naturalization. > > Declaration of Intention > and > Petition for Naturalization > > which is first to file? > what is the time frame to live here before you can file? > what is the time frame of waiting between the different > filed papers? > any other information is greatly appreciated > > Thank you > Sharon > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

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