Archie Claar Obituary Collection, 1934, Vol 1, page 39 Mrs. Margaret Yost Dies Carrolltown, Jan. 31 Mrs. Margaret Yost, daughter of the late Andrew and Catherine (Zern) Strittmatter, died at her home in Carrolltown at 6 p.m. Monday, following a brief illness. She was aged 79. These children survive: Mrs. Harry Platt and Mrs. John Dare of Wellsburg, W. VA., Andrew Yost of Philadelphia, and Mrs. Pius McNulty of East Carroll township. Rev. Agatho Strittmatter, O.S.B. Of Boulder, Colo, Sister M. Joseph, O.S.B., member of Sacred Heart convent in Pittsburgh;Mrs. William Biller of Cresson and Mrs. Dora Bishop of Loretto are brother and sisters of the deceased. The ?? Will take place at St. Benedict's Catholic church, Carrolltown, with burial in the church cemetery on Thursday morning at 10 (?) o'clock. The funeral will be attended by members of the Altar (?) and Rosary societies, of which Mrs. Yost was a member for many years.

Archie Claar Obituary Collection, 1934, Vol 1, page 40 Pneumonia Fatal to St. Augustine Farmer St. Augustine, Oct. 31 Pneumonia, superinduced by injuries suffered five weeks ago when he was run down by an automobile, yesterday resulted in the death of Francis J. Nagel, aged 78, prominent Clearfield township farmer. Mr. Nagel was struck by a car while walking ?? (unreadable) the road near his farm. He suffered a fracture of the left arm and a severe injury to the head, which at first was believed to have been a fracture of the skull. He was a patient in Spangler hospital for three weeks and was removed to his home here two weeks ago. Pneumonia developed last week. Francis J. Nagel is survived by three children, Stella, wife of Harry Hoover of East Carroll township, Ralph Nagel,with whom he resided in Clearfield township, near here, and Gertrude, wife of Vincent R. Huber of Patton. He also leaves twenty grandchildren, four great-grandchildren, two brothers and a sister, Charles Nagel of Michigan, John Nagel of Patton and Mrs. Mary Ryan of St. Augustine. His wife, Mrs. Alice (Byrne) Nagel, passed away sixteen years ago, and a daughter, Cecelia, wife of G.J. Hoover, died eighteen years ago in St. Augustine. A number of relatives live in Altoona. The deceased was a member of St. Augustine's Catholic church, where funeral services will be conducted Friday morning at 10 o'clock by Ref. Father Pallard Farren, pastor. Interment will be in the church cemetery.

I forgot to include the entire membership. Please, if you have any examples of guardianship or wards of the court, let me know. I don't use anyone's names, but I like to have examples. I recently realized that there are only two members of my Kline family older than I am, so that limits my sources. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: marilyn <[email protected]> To: wanda713 [email protected]; Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:05 pm Subject: Guardianship and/or Wards of the Courth This is what I understand from my reading the Orphans Court records and from my own family and from correspondents. One: Only men could be financial guardians. A mother would retain physical custody of her children, but if her husband died, another MALE had to be appointed financial guardian. One other example I found, a doctor was appointed guardian because he said a 14 year old girl needed an appendicitis operation and her mother refused to permit it. It was dangerous then, but the girl lived. If anyone knows what year a woman could be the legal guardian of her children, I would appreciate if you shared the information. Two: there were two classes of minors who needed guardians: those under 14 and those over 14. I don't know many details, but those over 14 had more control over their lives, though not the money. The legal age of majority was 21 when any money was handed over to the child. Three: If there was a will, the guardian had to follow it. Regardless of the will, if a husband died the wife was entitled to $300 Dower or Widows' settlement. If she was taking it in household goods or farm products, she had first choice. Otherwise the guardian had the liberty to manage the money. Stepfathers had very bad reputations as guardians, often using up the money before the child was 21. There were usually local men of good character and [probably money] who tended to act as guardians, as most emigrants could read or write. Often the Squires had to translate. They were called "Squire"--in this area we had Squire Thomas Ott in St. Boniface and Squire Paul Yahner in Elder Township. Ott ran a store, hotel and bar. Yahner was a farmer and surveyor. Both men wrote wills for the locals and went to court when there was need. I could not really say that they were guardians of unrelated minors. Sometimes a guardian or person controlling someone else's money had to have a bond to guarantee the inheritance. Four: Mostly the guardian was a stepfather or other relative. Few women could support themselves and their family, so they generally remarried. My grandfather in 1916, became the guardian of his oldest brothers' [about] 10 children when his brother, Frank, was killed in the mines. Frank's wife had a newborn. She was the first miner's wife in PA to receive a miner's widow's pension, so she and the children could manage, the older children working. My grandfather sold the extra property and invested the money at the local bank. On each child's 21st birthday he would withdraw a draft for that child's share and deliver it. My mother said it was a ceremony. I understand some of the cousins did quite well with the interest. I don't know what they did with the money, but purchasing a house was probably a priority, especially if they were married or wished to marry. My mother's sister married into a family where the mother died in the 1918 flu epidemic, and the father died while some of the children were quite young. I think the the oldest brother was the guardian, and when the youngest child, a daughter, was 21, the estate was settled and she bought a house for $500. A lot then. Five: Minor children sometimes left the parents for some reason. Someone told me her ancestor left at age 14 and was appointed a guardian, and this guardian signed her marriage license. In her research she later found out the guardian was the Director of the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children. In this case, there was probably abuse of some kind. I said that minors 14 or over had different rules--maybe the 14 year old could leave the parents legally??? Six: Most parents, especially emigrants, needed the income from all of the children, so they wanted the children to stay home till they were 21. They did not believe the State had the right to make them send their children to school. It was extremely difficult for the schools to enforce attendance of the children at any age. In this area, a boy at age 12 could enter the mines with his parent or guardian. The School District was made responsible for certifying the age. [This is something I read in the newspaper.] The mine inspectors came and were checking the ages of the boys. They had the school principal with them. They all, inspectors, fathers and boys, walked from the mine on the south of Hastings [Mitchell Mines or Lanark] about 7 or 8 block to the Catholic Church. Few emigrants registered births, but most baptized the children. So the priest got out his baptismal registry and checked the age of each boy--his word was accepted. I don't know what they did if the boy was not born in the US. Also, from reading the papers and talking to a friend of my mother who was a teacher in the one-room schools, I think that the emigrant children who could not speak English were kept in Grade one until they could. This is based on the numbers of children in each grade, which was printed in the weekly newspaper, paper also with six-weekly attendance and the names of the children with perfect attendance. Many emigrant children had perfect attendance. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Barrett <[email protected]> To: marilyn <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:55 am Subject: Re: [Some Information about Marriage Certificates Marilyn, Thank you so much for the thorough explanation re marriage records in Pennsylvania. This brings me to ask you about GUARDIANSHIPS. Case in point: In 1902, when my grandmother was 17, her father died. He left her and her nephew (whose father had been fatally shot) inheritances. I found online (thanks to Patty Millich's transcribing the newspapers) that an unrelated guardian was appointed. When she turned 21, she got her inheritance and bought the farm she and my grandfather lived on for 50 years -- and she for almost 10 more years, before the farm was sold. Question: Was the court-appointed lawyer someone who the family named or was it someone chosen by the courts? Oddly enough, the nephew's widowed mother married someone by the same surname abuot 6 years later! Of course, there were people by this surname who lived near my grandmother at the time of guardianship. Was this to avoid the family cheating the heirs out of the inheritance? Then, too, her father had been guardian of three children nobody in the family knows anythting about. After his death, my grandmother's eldest brother (administrator of his dad's will) had to go to court to transfer these chidlren to someone else. (This makes me doubt they were relatives of ours.) Thank you kindly, Marilyn. You've helped me through your emails to the group and to those to me personally. Cordially, Wanda From: marilyn <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:05 PM Subject: [PACAMBRI] Some Information about Marriage Certificates I hope this information will help you with your research. If possible, you should actually look at the original certificate--this is called primary research. A photocopy is almost as good, but often you will not get one if you do not ask for it. If you send to the Courthouse for a marriage certificate, in some places the information is printed or copied onto a completely different form. You are entitled to go to any Courthouse or repository and ask to see the originals. That is why they are called Public Records. Not every place will make photocopies, but the machines are so common now that if you ask for a photocopy, the clerk will generally make you one. I think the legal age was 21 from the beginning in 1885. That has always been the legal majority in the US. I think it was a carryover from Europe. I think it reflected the fact that parents wanted economic control over their children for as long as possible. Twenty one is a fairly old age in a time period when the average age was somewhere in the forties or so. Some of you may not know that in Europe, until Napoleon after 1800, the only marriages that were legal had to be performed by some sort of religious person. Napoleon started Civil Marriage as he was very anticlerical and practically eliminated religion in France, and then in the other areas where he had control. In America, a frontier country, there were few churches or "ministers of the gospel." [Many Catholic priests were emigrants from France that the French Revolution or Napoleon exiled.] Many people were not married by anyone, they made "professions" in front of the "elders" or followed some folk custom, like "hand fasting." Father Gallitzin, our local frontier priest, married people of many different religions. You took what was available. When laws were finally passed, all religious marriages [that conformed to the law] were legal. Pennsylvania tried to record vital statistics in 1850. The Legislature mandated them, and the existing counties started them. However, the Legislature did not pay for the records, so they were gradually abandoned. Some of the eastern counties kept up Collection longer than here in the west. Indiana County has quite a few of them. Cambria County doesn't have many--someone collected them in a small red pamphlet that was for sale. The historical society in Ebensburg has these printed copies, but I have never see the County originals. If you want these 1850 Records, you usually have to ask for them. The Records then contained slightly different data than in 1885, and included birth and death records. Only Marriage Records were collected in 1885, the government being concerned mainly about bigamy and child support. Birth and Death Records started in the Counties in 1893 and lasted till 1906 when the State took them over. Marriage [and divorce] Records are still in the Counties. I don't know about other states, but age 21 was state wide in PA from 1885. The early records were two pages, not one, and had a section for parental consent. The actual form itself changed, but still asked for most of the same data. Later the consent form was kept separate, but you can ask for them at the Old Jail Repository and they are available. I am not sure of the exact date that the age for parental consent was lowered to 18, but it was about/after the 1960s. I think it was part of the Federal Government changing the voting age to 18, but I don't know the details. Twenty one had been the legal majority which meant that anyone under 21 could not legally sign any contract, including marriage. If you wanted a loan, for example, you had to have a cosigner. The dept was not legal if you were not 21. When I graduated from college, the week before graduation everyone who had a Federal Loan had to go to the treasurer's office and sign a new loan paper. By that time most of us were 21. [This was 1959 for your information.] At some point after 1885 it was legal to fill out the marriage forms at the local JP or Squire, saving a trip to Ebensburg. The JP was responsible for taking the forms to Ebensburg. I think the Clerk there filled out the official forms, as many of them are not actually signed by the parties involved. The parties got a paper to take to the person who married them, and he had to return that form to the Courthouse himself. After 1885 no one could be legally married by anyone if they did not have that form. This is a way to find out if your ancestors were literate. If they signed their name, they were at least partially literate, but perhaps in another language. If they made "their mark," they were not literate in any language. If they used another language, the Clerk generally added "Signed in German" or whatever language. You must also remember that "reading" and "writing" were originally two separate skills, and most writing was done by professional clerks. More people could read than could write. Many emigrants' names were misspelled by the Clerks, but I noticed that the Priests from the Byzantine Rites [often referred to as the Greek Catholic Churches] would correct the spelling when they returned the signed marriage license. The County Clerks were mostly Welsh, and they did not know other languages, and spelled even English words as the Welsh did. Every "foreign" group had persons who were translators and would go to Court or other English speaking places with their countrymen. The marriage was NOT LEGAL if the form from the JP, Squire, Priest or "Minister of the Gospel," the wording on the forms, was not filled out and sent back to the Courthouse. You would not think this was a problem, but since marriages by religious priests or ministers were legal in Pennsylvania [and most of the US], anything could happen. I know for a fact that some of the local Northern Cambria Priests [especially St. Boniface and St. Lawrence] did not feel the government had any business "interfering" with a religious marriage, and simply did not fill out the license or send the form in to the County Courthouse. So many of our ancestors were not legally married. It really didn't matter so much, as they were validly [religiously] married and never knew about the missing information. If for some reason they needed a marriage certificate, they got one from the church. If they did find out or needed a legal marriage certificate from the Courthouse, all it took to make it legal was they had to get a certificate from the church and attach it to the license in the bound volumes in the Courthouse. I have gone through the marriage records, page by page, and there are a lot of missing forms from the person who "married" the couple and also many attached certificates. Also, some people often did "get a license," but did not actually get married for some reason. In my experience from reading the actual certificates, this often happened with emigrants. Most people then got married if they were going to co-habitat. Social and cultural pressure was too great to do anything else. If you have questions I can answer, I will. Most people who have not looked at the original records do not have much of an ideal of what they really look like or contain. A photo copy is good, but not perfect. A translation, especially when it is typed, is often misleading or lacks information available in the original. By its very nature, translation or copying, especially typing, will tend to make information "uniform" and while that is good, it also can be misleading and incomplete. [ I taught research methods in the age before computers, and It is different now.] Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: bobbyp2000 <[email protected]> To: PACAMBRI <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:30 am Subject: [PACAMBRI] Consent to marry This issue has also come up in our research of the Michael and Petronella opovich family.One of my uncle (Joseph) son of Michael and Petronella married n 1939. His wife was under 21 and needed parental permission. Several uestions. Was the law under 18 at one time and then changed to under 21? Was it lways under 21? At what jurisdiction level was this law set? State? County? omething else? When was this passed? Is it still in effect? Bob Poppy You anage things, you lead people. We went overboard on management and forgot about eadership. It might help if we ran the MBAs out of Washington. 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Augustine Fox was married to Kunegundes Brugger (Bucher is what most people have but that's not correct for her) and Augustine Jr was born in Philadelphia in December 1817. He disappeared from Cambria CO after about 1830. Augustine Sr died in 1828 and Kunegundes went on to marry John Fry. There is a fellow in some census reports in Venago named Augustine Fox born in Philadelphia in 1817 but I can't seem to tie him to the Cambria Co guy. Can anyone help? Rich

I am subscribed to this list in hopes of connecting to someone researching Silas Anderson once of Jefferson County. I am not in his family line but have inherited research that might benefit a researcher of his direct line. Anybody out there? Jo Ann Wissinger Lucas Everest, KS

I hope this information will help you with your research. If possible, you should actually look at the original certificate--this is called primary research. A photocopy is almost as good, but often you will not get one if you do not ask for it. If you send to the Courthouse for a marriage certificate, in some places the information is printed or copied onto a completely different form. You are entitled to go to any Courthouse or repository and ask to see the originals. That is why they are called Public Records. Not every place will make photocopies, but the machines are so common now that if you ask for a photocopy, the clerk will generally make you one. I think the legal age was 21 from the beginning in 1885. That has always been the legal majority in the US. I think it was a carryover from Europe. I think it reflected the fact that parents wanted economic control over their children for as long as possible. Twenty one is a fairly old age in a time period when the average age was somewhere in the forties or so. Some of you may not know that in Europe, until Napoleon after 1800, the only marriages that were legal had to be performed by some sort of religious person. Napoleon started Civil Marriage as he was very anticlerical and practically eliminated religion in France, and then in the other areas where he had control. In America, a frontier country, there were few churches or "ministers of the gospel." [Many Catholic priests were emigrants from France that the French Revolution or Napoleon exiled.] Many people were not married by anyone, they made "professions" in front of the "elders" or followed some folk custom, like "hand fasting." Father Gallitzin, our local frontier priest, married people of many different religions. You took what was available. When laws were finally passed, all religious marriages [that conformed to the law] were legal. Pennsylvania tried to record vital statistics in 1850. The Legislature mandated them, and the existing counties started them. However, the Legislature did not pay for the records, so they were gradually abandoned. Some of the eastern counties kept up Collection longer than here in the west. Indiana County has quite a few of them. Cambria County doesn't have many--someone collected them in a small red pamphlet that was for sale. The historical society in Ebensburg has these printed copies, but I have never see the County originals. If you want these 1850 Records, you usually have to ask for them. The Records then contained slightly different data than in 1885, and included birth and death records. Only Marriage Records were collected in 1885, the government being concerned mainly about bigamy and child support. Birth and Death Records started in the Counties in 1893 and lasted till 1906 when the State took them over. Marriage [and divorce] Records are still in the Counties. I don't know about other states, but age 21 was state wide in PA from 1885. The early records were two pages, not one, and had a section for parental consent. The actual form itself changed, but still asked for most of the same data. Later the consent form was kept separate, but you can ask for them at the Old Jail Repository and they are available. I am not sure of the exact date that the age for parental consent was lowered to 18, but it was about/after the 1960s. I think it was part of the Federal Government changing the voting age to 18, but I don't know the details. Twenty one had been the legal majority which meant that anyone under 21 could not legally sign any contract, including marriage. If you wanted a loan, for example, you had to have a cosigner. The dept was not legal if you were not 21. When I graduated from college, the week before graduation everyone who had a Federal Loan had to go to the treasurer's office and sign a new loan paper. By that time most of us were 21. [This was 1959 for your information.] At some point after 1885 it was legal to fill out the marriage forms at the local JP or Squire, saving a trip to Ebensburg. The JP was responsible for taking the forms to Ebensburg. I think the Clerk there filled out the official forms, as many of them are not actually signed by the parties involved. The parties got a paper to take to the person who married them, and he had to return that form to the Courthouse himself. After 1885 no one could be legally married by anyone if they did not have that form. This is a way to find out if your ancestors were literate. If they signed their name, they were at least partially literate, but perhaps in another language. If they made "their mark," they were not literate in any language. If they used another language, the Clerk generally added "Signed in German" or whatever language. You must also remember that "reading" and "writing" were originally two separate skills, and most writing was done by professional clerks. More people could read than could write. Many emigrants' names were misspelled by the Clerks, but I noticed that the Priests from the Byzantine Rites [often referred to as the Greek Catholic Churches] would correct the spelling when they returned the signed marriage license. The County Clerks were mostly Welsh, and they did not know other languages, and spelled even English words as the Welsh did. Every "foreign" group had persons who were translators and would go to Court or other English speaking places with their countrymen. The marriage was NOT LEGAL if the form from the JP, Squire, Priest or "Minister of the Gospel," the wording on the forms, was not filled out and sent back to the Courthouse. You would not think this was a problem, but since marriages by religious priests or ministers were legal in Pennsylvania [and most of the US], anything could happen. I know for a fact that some of the local Northern Cambria Priests [especially St. Boniface and St. Lawrence] did not feel the government had any business "interfering" with a religious marriage, and simply did not fill out the license or send the form in to the County Courthouse. So many of our ancestors were not legally married. It really didn't matter so much, as they were validly [religiously] married and never knew about the missing information. If for some reason they needed a marriage certificate, they got one from the church. If they did find out or needed a legal marriage certificate from the Courthouse, all it took to make it legal was they had to get a certificate from the church and attach it to the license in the bound volumes in the Courthouse. I have gone through the marriage records, page by page, and there are a lot of missing forms from the person who "married" the couple and also many attached certificates. Also, some people often did "get a license," but did not actually get married for some reason. In my experience from reading the actual certificates, this often happened with emigrants. Most people then got married if they were going to co-habitat. Social and cultural pressure was too great to do anything else. If you have questions I can answer, I will. Most people who have not looked at the original records do not have much of an ideal of what they really look like or contain. A photo copy is good, but not perfect. A translation, especially when it is typed, is often misleading or lacks information available in the original. By its very nature, translation or copying, especially typing, will tend to make information "uniform" and while that is good, it also can be misleading and incomplete. [ I taught research methods in the age before computers, and It is different now.] Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: bobbyp2000 <[email protected]> To: PACAMBRI <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:30 am Subject: [PACAMBRI] Consent to marry This issue has also come up in our research of the Michael and Petronella opovich family.One of my uncle (Joseph) son of Michael and Petronella married n 1939. His wife was under 21 and needed parental permission. Several uestions. Was the law under 18 at one time and then changed to under 21? Was it lways under 21? At what jurisdiction level was this law set? State? County? omething else? When was this passed? Is it still in effect? Bob Poppy You anage things, you lead people. We went overboard on management and forgot about eadership. It might help if we ran the MBAs out of Washington. 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Thanks for the information. The last time I looked for one the records were still in the Courthouse. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Donna Hughes <[email protected]> To: pacambri <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry I visited the Cambria County Records office in person to get a arriage certificate. When I was given a copy of the document I ooked at it and saw that the parents had to give consent. I asked if here was more documentation. The woman went back and came out with opies of the consent forms that each set of parents had signed, hich had more information about the families on them. So, ask for ALL documents related to the marriage, not just the arriage certificate. Donna - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Thanks for the additional info. Both of my parents were attending the Indiana Teacher’s College, later IUP. My dad was older has he had worked out of high school and then enlisted in the Army during the Korean War. Once he had the GI Bill he was able to afford college. And yes, my mother was pregnant when they took the drive to Winchester. However, dad’s mom was very serious about her Catholicism, so they lied about the date of their civil marriage, to make it nine months before I was born, then had the church wedding at St. John Gualbert’s a few months later. I never knew their actual marriage date until Dad died and I found their marriage license in his papers. Brian Cartwright From: marilyn Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 19:34 To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Out of State Marriages My information came from some of The Blair County Genealogy Ladies about the special trains. I don't know when that passenger train would have ceased. After that they would have to drive. I used to work in Hagerstown, and my office was half a block from the Courthouse, and people were always asking questions about getting married. My mother's sister was a Catholic who went to Maryland, [in the 1930's] and they had to get a paper from their pastors [in their case, Patton and Carrolltown.] Same with my husband's aunt. That was what gave the pastor at St. Peter and Paul's [Cumberland, MD] permission to marry them in a valid Catholic marriage. Supposedly the pastor in MD could not marry them unless they were his parishioners or had permission from their pastor[s]. The local Cambria county priests seemed to me [from records and tales] to have "an arrangement" with that church. I gave the church because I thought some of you might be looking for where your ancestors were married Obits in the Altoona Mirror often give marriage dates and places, and many are from Maryland or Virginia, so it was fairly common. I think that during the Depression and WW II there were money problems and time problems. For those of you from other areas. PA required blood tests which you had to take to the courthouse and then three days minimum before the pair could marry. In MD there were not blood tests and not waiting period. Methodists seemed to go to the Methodist Church in Du Bois. The Catholic and Methodist were the only churches in my hometown and so they were the ones reported in the newspaper. I know people who have married in Maryland or Virginia. Not as common as before since the age is lower. Also, getting married is not as automatic as it used to be if the girl was pregnant. Couples who "ran away" or "eloped" would usually have showers when they returned. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Brian L. Cartwright <[email protected]> To: Diann Olsen <[email protected]>; Cambria List <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent Including my parents in 1958...they drove down, on the advice of my mother's aunt who had done the same thing a few years before. My father was 26, my mother 19. Brian Cartwright Johnstown -----Original Message----- From: Diann Olsen Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:41 To: Cambria List Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent There must have been a train to Winchester, Va., because I saw a LOT of Cambria marriages there a few years ago when I was at the courthouse there. Diann -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]?] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:30 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent Some went across the border to Virginia where laws were different. A pastor did take the time to have the kids to call home before he would marry the couple in 1960. Dave Rose - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, it doesn't make sense, but that was what they did. Her parents also were the legal guardian of her child, and could have had it adopted out. Up to the 1960s parents often did this if their unmarried daughter got pregnant. A mother--since she was a WOMAN-- could not be a legal guardian for her orphaned child; two classes: under 14 and 14 to 21. It had to be a MAN and he got to decide all the financial matters. It didn't mean he had physical custody of the children, just that he controlled their money. If the husband-father used a will, the guardian enforced it, otherwise he got to decide. Stepfathers often used the money as their own and the children got no inheritance. Doctors sometimes filed for custody of sick children who needed treatment that the parent would not allow, or that the parent was absent or could not give permission.. My grandfather was the youngest of 13 children, and his oldest brother died with ten children, appointing Grandfather guardian. He sold some property [houses they didn't live in] and invested the money in the bank. As each child reached 21, he had the bank make them a check and delivered the check. My uncle died in 1916 app in a mine accident, and my Aunt was the first miner's wife in PA to receive a Miner's pension. If you want to read some of these legal matters, they are in the Orphan's Court. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: eflad <[email protected]> To: Donna Hughes <[email protected]>; pacambri <[email protected]>; Brian L. Cartwright <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:35 am Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry My great grandmother was a mother and a widow at age 18 in 1865. Two years ater, when she wanted to remarry, her mother had to give consent. This was n Westmoreland County. I have the consent form. Beth ------Original Message------- rom: Brian L. Cartwright ate: 10/10/2011 6:23:04 PM o: Donna Hughes; [email protected] ubject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry have never asked for the consent forms, but consent only had to be given or a person under age 21. owever, that is an excellent suggestion for when you have a younger person n the marriage license. rian Cartwright ohnstown ----Original Message----- rom: Donna Hughes ent: Monday, October 10, 2011 20:17 o: [email protected] ubject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Marry visited the Cambria County Records office in person to get a arriage certificate. When I was given a copy of the document I ooked at it and saw that the parents had to give consent. I asked if here was more documentation. The woman went back and came out with opies of the consent forms that each set of parents had signed, hich had more information about the families on them. o, ask for ALL documents related to the marriage, not just the arriage certificate. onna - - - - - - - - - earch for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes n the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - earch for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Altoona had a train that went to Cumberland and it was called the Honeymoon Express as that is the train they took to elope.

My information came from some of The Blair County Genealogy Ladies about the special trains. I don't know when that passenger train would have ceased. After that they would have to drive. I used to work in Hagerstown, and my office was half a block from the Courthouse, and people were always asking questions about getting married. My mother's sister was a Catholic who went to Maryland, [in the 1930's] and they had to get a paper from their pastors [in their case, Patton and Carrolltown.] Same with my husband's aunt. That was what gave the pastor at St. Peter and Paul's [Cumberland, MD] permission to marry them in a valid Catholic marriage. Supposedly the pastor in MD could not marry them unless they were his parishioners or had permission from their pastor[s]. The local Cambria county priests seemed to me [from records and tales] to have "an arrangement" with that church. I gave the church because I thought some of you might be looking for where your ancestors were married Obits in the Altoona Mirror often give marriage dates and places, and many are from Maryland or Virginia, so it was fairly common. I think that during the Depression and WW II there were money problems and time problems. For those of you from other areas. PA required blood tests which you had to take to the courthouse and then three days minimum before the pair could marry. In MD there were not blood tests and not waiting period. Methodists seemed to go to the Methodist Church in Du Bois. The Catholic and Methodist were the only churches in my hometown and so they were the ones reported in the newspaper. I know people who have married in Maryland or Virginia. Not as common as before since the age is lower. Also, getting married is not as automatic as it used to be if the girl was pregnant. Couples who "ran away" or "eloped" would usually have showers when they returned. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Brian L. Cartwright <[email protected]> To: Diann Olsen <[email protected]>; Cambria List <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent Including my parents in 1958...they drove down, on the advice of my mother's unt who had done the same thing a few years before. My father was 26, my other 19. Brian Cartwright ohnstown -----Original Message----- rom: Diann Olsen ent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:41 o: Cambria List ubject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent There must have been a train to Winchester, Va., because I saw a LOT of ambria marriages there a few years ago when I was at the courthouse there. Diann -----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] n Behalf Of [email protected] ent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:30 AM o: [email protected]; [email protected] ubject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent ome went across the border to Virginia where laws were different. A pastor did take the time to have the kids to call home before he would arry the couple in 1960. Dave Rose - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes n the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Just an FYI - In case anyone has research that is in Pittsburgh/Allegheny Co. - Family Tree magazine usually spotlights two cities a month and this month they have Pittsburgh as one of them. Some helpful information there. Not sure if it will apply to outer counties as well but thought I'd pass it along. http://www.familytreemagazine.com/ (The link is currently showing the September issue, but the new one which I believe is Oct/Nov is the one w/Pittsburgh in it.) Thanks, Patrick

Is Georgetta on this message list, [email protected] ? She requested an obituary for Gordon R. Sauro. Your email address bounced. Did you type it wrong? Kelly

Jane Thank you very much for both the long and short anwer's. As that old Irish expression says, "Ask and ye shall receive" Jack > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Need some help Mary McGuire Trout (1846-1935) > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:50:53 -0500 > > Hi Jack, > I have parts of your answer in my Adams, Montgomery, Platt and Ryan lines. > True to form, the late Brenda Wallace has all the McGuire kids at her > Rootsweb posted family tree. Brenda's info in double brackets [[. I can't > thank Brenda's family enough for leaving her family tree at Rootsweb. > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wallace09 > > The short answer is Agnes Wilt Burns was the daughter of Cecelia Wharton > and her second husband Joseph Wilt. That would make her the half-sister to > Mary McGuire Trout, but listed as her sister in her obit. Agnes Wilt > married an Irishman named John Burns. They are found on the family farm in > the Michigan census records beginning 1880 Washtenaw County and on to 1920. > In 1930, the widow Agnes Burns is with three of her unmarried children in > Detroit. > > Brenda Wallace has an obit for Mary's brother Francis Xavier. Note his obit > does not mention half-siblings. - - - > Altoona Tribune, September 22, 1922, pg. 16 col. 5 and 6. > Francis A. McGuire, a retired farmer of St. Augustine, Cambria Co., died at > 12:30 yesterday afternoon at the home of his son, Richard P. McGuire, 411 > Thirteenth Ave. this city of complications of diseases: after a > shortillness. He was born at St. Augustine December 8, 1849 and had been a > farmer practically all of his life. He was a member of the Catholic Church > at St. Augustine. He is survived by his two sons and one daughter: Richard > at whose house he died; Paul of Nevada, and Mrs. Ellen Reherd of Kentucky > and by his two sisters: Mrs. Mollie Trout of this city and Mrs. Albert > Flick of Carrolltown, also by four grandchildren. The body may be viewed at > the Roher and Mauk Funeral Parlors in Juniata anytime prior to noon > Saturday when it will be taken to St. Augustine at noon for burial. > > > OK, The long answer with more than you ever cared to know - - - - > > Cecelia Wharton & Richard McGuire married 1842 at St. Joseph's Hart's. > Brenda Wallace has 6 children to them > [[ James, b 23 Sep 1842; married Isabel Carl 1872 > Jane Monica, b 6 Jun 1844; married Richard Adams 1863 > Mary, b 3 Apr 1846; married Mitchell Trout 1867 (see her obit) > Eleanor, b 23 Apr 1847; married Albert Flick 1874 (she was raised by Rachel > McGuire Adams (1870 census) after the death of her father around 1853) > Francis Xavier, b 8 Dec 1849 married Mary unknown (1st child born cir 1875) > [The late Terry L Kruise has her name as Mary E. Taylor citing Leora > Rabuck's research] > Stanislaus Chrysostom, b 8 Apr 1852; no further information]] > > Cecelia Wharton married Joseph Wilt at St. Augustine in 1855. Joseph was a > widower, previously married to Elizabeth Ryan. > Brenda has 4 children to Joseph Wilt & Cecelia. > [[daughter Agnes, b 15 Dec 1855 - There's your gal - > daughter Mary Matilda, b 14 Mar 1858 > daughter Elizabeth, b 14 Apr 1860 > son Joseph, b 14 Oct 1862]] > > The 1850 census has Richard & Cecelia and their first 5 children listed > above in White Twp, Cambria Co. > > The 1850 census has John & Mary "Polly" (Adams) Wilt and 5 other extended > family members in Clearfield Twp, Cambria Co > 1) John Wilt, b cir 1796 > 2) Mary Wilt, b cir 1792 [Mary Magdalena "Polly" Adams] > 3) Joseph Wilt, b cir 1822 [their son Joseph, b 11 Sep 1820; married > Elizabeth Ryan 1842 & Cecelia Wharton 1855] > 4) Susan Wilt, b cir 1832 [their daughter Susan, b 23 Mar 1829; married Sam > Hoover cir late 1850 & John Montgomery 1858] > 5) Andrew Wilt, b cir 1836 [their son David Andrew b 5 May 1835; married > Mary C unknown] > 6) William A Wilt, b cir 1845 [their grandson William Augustine, son of > Joseph Wilt & Elizabeth Ryan b 13 Mar 1845 - Note no Elizabeth Ryan Wilt in > the household, she probably died before the census] > 7) Elizabeth Adams, b cir 1759 [Elizabeth Haines, b 7 Oct 1756, mother of > Mary Magdalena "Polly" Adams] > > The 1860 Clearfield Twp Cambria Co census has > 1) Joseph Wilt, b cir 1822 > 2) Cecelia Wilt, b cir 1827 [Cecelia Wharton McGuire Wilt] > 3) Jane Wilt, b cir 1844 [Jane Monica McGuire] > 4) Mary Wilt, b cir 1846 [Mary McGuire] > 5) Elen Wilt, b cir 1847 [Eleanor McGuire] > 6) Francis Wilt, b cir 1851 [Frances Xavier McGuire] > 7) Stanislaus Wilt, b cir 1855 [Stanislaus Chrysostom McGuire] > 8) Agnes Wilt, b cir 1856 [dau of Joseph Wilt & Cecelia Wharton] > 9) Martina Wilt, b cir 1848 [Mary Matilda dau of Joseph Wilt & Cecelia > Wharton] > 10) Elizabeth Wilt [dau of Joseph Wilt & Cecelia Wharton] > > The 1870 Altoona, Blair Co census gives us this interesting household > 1) Mitchel Trout, b cir 1846 > 2) Mary Trout, b cir 1847 > 3) Cecelia Trout, b cir 1868 > 4) Cecelia Wilt, b cir 1825 > 5) Agnes Wilt, b cir 1856 - There's your gal - > > The 1900 Augusta Twp, Washtenaw Co, Michigan census lists a married Agnes > Wilt, half-sister to Mary McGuire Trout > 1) John Burns; b Aug 1852, Ireland; immigrated 1854; married 1878 > 2) Agnes Burns; b Dec 1855, PA; wife > 3) Camillisa Burns; b June 1886, MI; son or from a later census, daughter > Celia M Burns > 4) Lizzie Burns, b Sept 1888, PA; dau > 5) Agnes Burns; b Jan 1893, MI; dau > > > I believe the only son of Joseph Wilt & 1st wife Elizabeth Ryan, William > Augustine, married Rosanna Donegan 13 May 1866 at St. Augustine. They had a > few daughters, but I think only one married. They lived in Cambria & > Clearfield counties. > > This was a fun puzzle. > Regards, Jane Tripp > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack O'Connor > To: PA List > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:14 PM > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Need some help > > > > In Mary McGuire Trout's 1935 obit there is a sister listed...." Mrs. Agnes > Burns of Detroit". > > Does anyone have any information on her?? > > Thanks > > Jack > > > > > Archie Claar Obituary Book #9, Blair County Genealogical Society, > Hollidaysburg, Blair, PA > > Mary McGuire Trout, 1935, daughter of Richard and Cecelia (Wharton) > McGuire, widow of Mitchell Trout. > > Mrs. Mary Trout, Widow of Mitchell Trout, died at 4 o'clock this morning at > her home 916 Seventh avenue. She was born in St. Augustine, the daughter of > Richard and Cecelia (Wharton) McGuire. The following children survive; Mrs. > Cecella McDonough Clare of this city, John L. Trout of Buffalo, N. Y. Anna > L. and Edouard J. Trout, both of this city; in addition to one sister, Mrs. > Agnes Burns of Detroit, nine grand-children and twenty-five > great-grandchildren. Mrs. Trout was a member of Mount Carmel Catholic > church, the St. Anthony society, Sodality. Third Order of St. Francis and > the Alter society. The re-mains may be viewed at the home after 6 o'clock > this evening. > > Funeral Notice The funeral of Mrs. Mary Trout of 916 Seventh avenue will be > held tomorrow morning at Mt. Carmel church with requiem mass at 9 o'clock. > Interment will be made in Calvary cemetery. > > >

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Hi Jack, I have parts of your answer in my Adams, Montgomery, Platt and Ryan lines. True to form, the late Brenda Wallace has all the McGuire kids at her Rootsweb posted family tree. Brenda's info in double brackets [[. I can't thank Brenda's family enough for leaving her family tree at Rootsweb. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wallace09 The short answer is Agnes Wilt Burns was the daughter of Cecelia Wharton and her second husband Joseph Wilt. That would make her the half-sister to Mary McGuire Trout, but listed as her sister in her obit. Agnes Wilt married an Irishman named John Burns. They are found on the family farm in the Michigan census records beginning 1880 Washtenaw County and on to 1920. In 1930, the widow Agnes Burns is with three of her unmarried children in Detroit. Brenda Wallace has an obit for Mary's brother Francis Xavier. Note his obit does not mention half-siblings. - - - Altoona Tribune, September 22, 1922, pg. 16 col. 5 and 6. Francis A. McGuire, a retired farmer of St. Augustine, Cambria Co., died at 12:30 yesterday afternoon at the home of his son, Richard P. McGuire, 411 Thirteenth Ave. this city of complications of diseases: after a shortillness. He was born at St. Augustine December 8, 1849 and had been a farmer practically all of his life. He was a member of the Catholic Church at St. Augustine. He is survived by his two sons and one daughter: Richard at whose house he died; Paul of Nevada, and Mrs. Ellen Reherd of Kentucky and by his two sisters: Mrs. Mollie Trout of this city and Mrs. Albert Flick of Carrolltown, also by four grandchildren. The body may be viewed at the Roher and Mauk Funeral Parlors in Juniata anytime prior to noon Saturday when it will be taken to St. Augustine at noon for burial. OK, The long answer with more than you ever cared to know - - - - Cecelia Wharton & Richard McGuire married 1842 at St. Joseph's Hart's. Brenda Wallace has 6 children to them [[ James, b 23 Sep 1842; married Isabel Carl 1872 Jane Monica, b 6 Jun 1844; married Richard Adams 1863 Mary, b 3 Apr 1846; married Mitchell Trout 1867 (see her obit) Eleanor, b 23 Apr 1847; married Albert Flick 1874 (she was raised by Rachel McGuire Adams (1870 census) after the death of her father around 1853) Francis Xavier, b 8 Dec 1849 married Mary unknown (1st child born cir 1875) [The late Terry L Kruise has her name as Mary E. Taylor citing Leora Rabuck's research] Stanislaus Chrysostom, b 8 Apr 1852; no further information]] Cecelia Wharton married Joseph Wilt at St. Augustine in 1855. Joseph was a widower, previously married to Elizabeth Ryan. Brenda has 4 children to Joseph Wilt & Cecelia. [[daughter Agnes, b 15 Dec 1855 - There's your gal - daughter Mary Matilda, b 14 Mar 1858 daughter Elizabeth, b 14 Apr 1860 son Joseph, b 14 Oct 1862]] The 1850 census has Richard & Cecelia and their first 5 children listed above in White Twp, Cambria Co. The 1850 census has John & Mary "Polly" (Adams) Wilt and 5 other extended family members in Clearfield Twp, Cambria Co 1) John Wilt, b cir 1796 2) Mary Wilt, b cir 1792 [Mary Magdalena "Polly" Adams] 3) Joseph Wilt, b cir 1822 [their son Joseph, b 11 Sep 1820; married Elizabeth Ryan 1842 & Cecelia Wharton 1855] 4) Susan Wilt, b cir 1832 [their daughter Susan, b 23 Mar 1829; married Sam Hoover cir late 1850 & John Montgomery 1858] 5) Andrew Wilt, b cir 1836 [their son David Andrew b 5 May 1835; married Mary C unknown] 6) William A Wilt, b cir 1845 [their grandson William Augustine, son of Joseph Wilt & Elizabeth Ryan b 13 Mar 1845 - Note no Elizabeth Ryan Wilt in the household, she probably died before the census] 7) Elizabeth Adams, b cir 1759 [Elizabeth Haines, b 7 Oct 1756, mother of Mary Magdalena "Polly" Adams] The 1860 Clearfield Twp Cambria Co census has 1) Joseph Wilt, b cir 1822 2) Cecelia Wilt, b cir 1827 [Cecelia Wharton McGuire Wilt] 3) Jane Wilt, b cir 1844 [Jane Monica McGuire] 4) Mary Wilt, b cir 1846 [Mary McGuire] 5) Elen Wilt, b cir 1847 [Eleanor McGuire] 6) Francis Wilt, b cir 1851 [Frances Xavier McGuire] 7) Stanislaus Wilt, b cir 1855 [Stanislaus Chrysostom McGuire] 8) Agnes Wilt, b cir 1856 [dau of Joseph Wilt & Cecelia Wharton] 9) Martina Wilt, b cir 1848 [Mary Matilda dau of Joseph Wilt & Cecelia Wharton] 10) Elizabeth Wilt [dau of Joseph Wilt & Cecelia Wharton] The 1870 Altoona, Blair Co census gives us this interesting household 1) Mitchel Trout, b cir 1846 2) Mary Trout, b cir 1847 3) Cecelia Trout, b cir 1868 4) Cecelia Wilt, b cir 1825 5) Agnes Wilt, b cir 1856 - There's your gal - The 1900 Augusta Twp, Washtenaw Co, Michigan census lists a married Agnes Wilt, half-sister to Mary McGuire Trout 1) John Burns; b Aug 1852, Ireland; immigrated 1854; married 1878 2) Agnes Burns; b Dec 1855, PA; wife 3) Camillisa Burns; b June 1886, MI; son or from a later census, daughter Celia M Burns 4) Lizzie Burns, b Sept 1888, PA; dau 5) Agnes Burns; b Jan 1893, MI; dau I believe the only son of Joseph Wilt & 1st wife Elizabeth Ryan, William Augustine, married Rosanna Donegan 13 May 1866 at St. Augustine. They had a few daughters, but I think only one married. They lived in Cambria & Clearfield counties. This was a fun puzzle. Regards, Jane Tripp ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack O'Connor To: PA List Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: [PACAMBRI] Need some help In Mary McGuire Trout's 1935 obit there is a sister listed...." Mrs. Agnes Burns of Detroit". Does anyone have any information on her?? Thanks Jack Archie Claar Obituary Book #9, Blair County Genealogical Society, Hollidaysburg, Blair, PA Mary McGuire Trout, 1935, daughter of Richard and Cecelia (Wharton) McGuire, widow of Mitchell Trout. Mrs. Mary Trout, Widow of Mitchell Trout, died at 4 o'clock this morning at her home 916 Seventh avenue. She was born in St. Augustine, the daughter of Richard and Cecelia (Wharton) McGuire. The following children survive; Mrs. Cecella McDonough Clare of this city, John L. Trout of Buffalo, N. Y. Anna L. and Edouard J. Trout, both of this city; in addition to one sister, Mrs. Agnes Burns of Detroit, nine grand-children and twenty-five great-grandchildren. Mrs. Trout was a member of Mount Carmel Catholic church, the St. Anthony society, Sodality. Third Order of St. Francis and the Alter society. The re-mains may be viewed at the home after 6 o'clock this evening. Funeral Notice The funeral of Mrs. Mary Trout of 916 Seventh avenue will be held tomorrow morning at Mt. Carmel church with requiem mass at 9 o'clock. Interment will be made in Calvary cemetery.

Both my mom and her sister went to Winchester to get married, This would have been 1940 and 1942. My grandfather was heartbroken that he never got to see his 2 daughters get married. He was born in Wales, so I dont think eloping was an option in Wales.

Donna Could you tell me what additional information is included in the consent documents. If the wife was underage would there be any information included on the husbands family? If I remember correctly the marriage license applications are in bound volumes that were at the old jail in Ebensburg. Do you know where they keep the consent forms. Jim

Including my parents in 1958...they drove down, on the advice of my mother's aunt who had done the same thing a few years before. My father was 26, my mother 19. Brian Cartwright Johnstown -----Original Message----- From: Diann Olsen Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:41 To: Cambria List Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent There must have been a train to Winchester, Va., because I saw a LOT of Cambria marriages there a few years ago when I was at the courthouse there. Diann -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:30 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Marry consent Some went across the border to Virginia where laws were different. A pastor did take the time to have the kids to call home before he would marry the couple in 1960. Dave Rose - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Mary McGuire Trout's 1935 obit there is a sister listed...." Mrs. Agnes Burns of Detroit". Does anyone have any information on her?? Thanks Jack Archie Claar Obituary Book #9, Blair County Genealogical Society, Hollidaysburg, Blair, PA Mary McGuire Trout, 1935, daughter of Richard and Cecelia (Wharton) McGuire, widow of Mitchell Trout. Mrs. Mary Trout, Widow of Mitchell Trout, died at 4 o'clock this morning at her home 916 Seventh avenue. She was born in St. Augustine, the daughter of Richard and Cecelia (Wharton) McGuire. The following children survive; Mrs. Cecella McDonough Clare of this city, John L. Trout of Buffalo, N. Y. Anna L. and Edouard J. Trout, both of this city; in addition to one sister, Mrs. Agnes Burns of Detroit, nine grand-children and twenty-five great-grandchildren. Mrs. Trout was a member of Mount Carmel Catholic church, the St. Anthony society, Sodality. Third Order of St. Francis and the Alter society. The re-mains may be viewed at the home after 6 o'clock this evening. Funeral Notice The funeral of Mrs. Mary Trout of 916 Seventh avenue will be held tomorrow morning at Mt. Carmel church with requiem mass at 9 o'clock. Interment will be made in Calvary cemetery.