Gertrude C. Nagle was dau. of Henry S. Nagle and Matilda M. Stoltz (Tillie) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hoffherr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 > Can someone tell me the name of the parents of Gertrude Nagle who married > Michael J. Byrne? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 > > Archie Claar Obituary Collection, 1934, Vol 1, page 40 > Pneumonia Fatal to St. Augustine Farmer > St. Augustine, Oct. 31 > Pneumonia, superinduced by injuries suffered five weeks ago when he was > run down by an automobile, yesterday resulted in the death of Francis J. > Nagel, aged 78, prominent Clearfield township farmer. > Mr. Nagel was struck by a car while walking ?? (unreadable) the road > near > his farm. He suffered a fracture of the left arm and a severe injury to > the > head, which at first was believed to have been a fracture of the skull. > He > was a patient in Spangler hospital for three weeks and was removed to his > home here two weeks ago. Pneumonia developed last week. > Francis J. Nagel is survived by three children, Stella, wife of Harry > Hoover of East Carroll township, Ralph Nagel,with whom he resided in > Clearfield township, near here, and Gertrude, wife of Vincent R. Huber of > Patton. He also leaves twenty grandchildren, four great-grandchildren, > two > brothers and a sister, Charles Nagel of Michigan, John Nagel of Patton and > Mrs. Mary Ryan of St. Augustine. > His wife, Mrs. Alice (Byrne) Nagel, passed away sixteen years ago, and a > daughter, Cecelia, wife of G.J. Hoover, died eighteen years ago in St. > Augustine. A number of relatives live in Altoona. > The deceased was a member of St. Augustine's Catholic church, where > funeral services will be conducted Friday morning at 10 o'clock by Ref. > Father Pallard Farren, pastor. Interment will be in the church cemetery. > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dorothy Theresa Noel, dau. of Jos. Noel and Elizabeth Speicher. Dot m. Charles B. Huber son of Johan Jacob Huber and Barabara Mayer ----- Original Message ----- From: "marilyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 > > I looked up Francis Nagle and his daughter Gertrude Nagle married > Vincent A. Huber, son of Charles Huber and Rosella Boland, but it also > says in another part of the paper that his wife was Dorothy Noel. If this > is the Hastings-Elder Township Charles Nagle, he was married to a Noel, > but I can't remember her name. He could, of course, have married a second > time. > > This is the family of John Huber, the late genealogist, father of Dave > Huber. He published a book which should have the information. > > > Marilyn Kline Washington > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Hoffherr <[email protected]> > To: eflad <[email protected]>; pacambri <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 4:42 pm > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 > > > Can someone tell me the name of the parents of Gertrude Nagle who married > ichael J. Byrne? > > -----Original Message----- > rom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > n Behalf Of [email protected] > ent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:30 PM > o: [email protected] > ubject: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 > Archie Claar Obituary Collection, 1934, Vol 1, page 40 > neumonia Fatal to St. Augustine Farmer > t. Augustine, Oct. 31 > Pneumonia, superinduced by injuries suffered five weeks ago when he was > un down by an automobile, yesterday resulted in the death of Francis J. > agel, aged 78, prominent Clearfield township farmer. > Mr. Nagel was struck by a car while walking ?? (unreadable) the road near > is farm. He suffered a fracture of the left arm and a severe injury to > the > ead, which at first was believed to have been a fracture of the skull. He > as a patient in Spangler hospital for three weeks and was removed to his > ome here two weeks ago. Pneumonia developed last week. > Francis J. Nagel is survived by three children, Stella, wife of Harry > oover of East Carroll township, Ralph Nagel,with whom he resided in > learfield township, near here, and Gertrude, wife of Vincent R. Huber of > atton. He also leaves twenty grandchildren, four great-grandchildren, two > rothers and a sister, Charles Nagel of Michigan, John Nagel of Patton and > rs. Mary Ryan of St. Augustine. > His wife, Mrs. Alice (Byrne) Nagel, passed away sixteen years ago, and a > aughter, Cecelia, wife of G.J. Hoover, died eighteen years ago in St. > ugustine. A number of relatives live in Altoona. > The deceased was a member of St. Augustine's Catholic church, where > uneral services will be conducted Friday morning at 10 o'clock by Ref. > ather Pallard Farren, pastor. Interment will be in the church cemetery. > - - - - - - - - - > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > n the subject and the body of the message > - - - - - - - - - - > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Spelling, really, and here I thought it was you were an indifferent typist, or that your thoughts get ahead of your fingers. Guess I've spent so many years trying to decipher 100+ year old poorly written, faded, tattered, too dark or too light documents that most of the time I translate or fill in the words as I read and it's only when I go back and read something again that I really notice the mis-spellings or incomplete sentences. Someone definitely has the wrong hobby if spelling offends them. Now on the other hand I do cringe when I read poorly worded stories full of typos in today's newspapers or news websites. Just keep supplying the facts and stories. Hope you get your glasses and hand taken care of soon. > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:42:23 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Spelling. > > Someone just made a complaint about my spelling. I am sorry. I use the Spell Check, but I have for a month had a mysterious growth on my left hand and it is hard to type. I also lost my good glasses and my vision is impaired. > > > Marilyn Kline Washington > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I can help with your questions regarding Malica/Malissa Irvin/Irving/Ervin/Ressler. I am a descendant of Daniel Ressler and Charlotte Skiles, and in my research I came across a posting at the Indiana County PA mailing list that would seem to solve the problem. It references the following court case: Indiana County PA Court Case. June Quarter Session, 1857. Commonwealth vs Edward Erwin. Seduction/Fornication and bastardy. Charlotte Skiles, Prosecutrix. Settled out of court, on payment of costs. The researcher, Sonya Barclay, notes that the above is all the information that was available. Based on this and Malica/Malissa's age at the time of the 1870 census from BroadTop Twp, Bedford Co, PA which includes her in the Daniel & Charlotte Ressler family, it sounds like she's Edward Erwin's biological daughter, raised and/or adopted by Daniel Ressler (my great-great grandfather). Here's the link to the discussion from 11/00: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAINDIAN/2000-11/0973635748 Hope this helps solve a mystery. I'm on the hunt for Daniel Ressler's deeper ancestry. All I know is that his father was Jacob Ressler, born 1817 in VA (though a later census record state PA), and who married Sarah Helsel, They were living in Jackson Twp, Cambria Co, PA in 1850, but all subsequent censuses show them in East Wheatfield Twp, Indiana Co, PA, til Jacob's death there on 1/21/1890. If anyone has any information on them, I'd be thrilled! Thanks --Jill Horner

I looked up Francis Nagle and his daughter Gertrude Nagle married Vincent A. Huber, son of Charles Huber and Rosella Boland, but it also says in another part of the paper that his wife was Dorothy Noel. If this is the Hastings-Elder Township Charles Nagle, he was married to a Noel, but I can't remember her name. He could, of course, have married a second time. This is the family of John Huber, the late genealogist, father of Dave Huber. He published a book which should have the information. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Mary Hoffherr <[email protected]> To: eflad <[email protected]>; pacambri <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 Can someone tell me the name of the parents of Gertrude Nagle who married ichael J. Byrne? -----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] n Behalf Of [email protected] ent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:30 PM o: [email protected] ubject: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 Archie Claar Obituary Collection, 1934, Vol 1, page 40 neumonia Fatal to St. Augustine Farmer t. Augustine, Oct. 31 Pneumonia, superinduced by injuries suffered five weeks ago when he was un down by an automobile, yesterday resulted in the death of Francis J. agel, aged 78, prominent Clearfield township farmer. Mr. Nagel was struck by a car while walking ?? (unreadable) the road near is farm. He suffered a fracture of the left arm and a severe injury to the ead, which at first was believed to have been a fracture of the skull. He as a patient in Spangler hospital for three weeks and was removed to his ome here two weeks ago. Pneumonia developed last week. Francis J. Nagel is survived by three children, Stella, wife of Harry oover of East Carroll township, Ralph Nagel,with whom he resided in learfield township, near here, and Gertrude, wife of Vincent R. Huber of atton. He also leaves twenty grandchildren, four great-grandchildren, two rothers and a sister, Charles Nagel of Michigan, John Nagel of Patton and rs. Mary Ryan of St. Augustine. His wife, Mrs. Alice (Byrne) Nagel, passed away sixteen years ago, and a aughter, Cecelia, wife of G.J. Hoover, died eighteen years ago in St. ugustine. A number of relatives live in Altoona. The deceased was a member of St. Augustine's Catholic church, where uneral services will be conducted Friday morning at 10 o'clock by Ref. ather Pallard Farren, pastor. Interment will be in the church cemetery. - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes n the subject and the body of the message - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Can anyone give me an index address for the Tribune? Where would Portage newspapers be available? Thanks, Marilyn Kline Washington

Byrne, Mrs. Gertrude (Nagle), 60, Spangler, suddenly at 8 pm Mar 3, 1949. Born Aug 3, 1886 i n Nicktown, daughter of Henry and Matilda (Stoltz) Nagle. Survived by husband, Michael, and t hese children; Rev. Father Walter Byrne, Cresson; Rev. Father Robert Byrne, Marshall, MO; Sis ter Monica, St. Cecila's Convent, Pittston; Michael Jr., Swissvale; Paul, Hastings; and Louis , Spangler. Sister of Mary Wemm, Braddock. Member of Third Order Secular of St. Francis and A ltar and Rosary Societies of St. Patrick's Catholic Church, Spangler, where services will b e held at 10 am Monday. Solemn high mass by Rev. Fathers Walter Byrne, celebrant; Robert Byrn e, deacon, and John R. Reichet, subdeacon. Burial St. Benedict's Cemetery, Carrolltown. Friends will be received at late home. Funeral Home, Spanger. (obit from Johnstown Tribune paper) On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Mary Hoffherr wrote: > Can someone tell me the name of the parents of Gertrude Nagle who > married > Michael J. Byrne? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:pacambri- > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 > > Archie Claar Obituary Collection, 1934, Vol 1, page 40 > Pneumonia Fatal to St. Augustine Farmer > St. Augustine, Oct. 31 > Pneumonia, superinduced by injuries suffered five weeks ago when > he was > run down by an automobile, yesterday resulted in the death of > Francis J. > Nagel, aged 78, prominent Clearfield township farmer. > Mr. Nagel was struck by a car while walking ?? (unreadable) the > road near > his farm. He suffered a fracture of the left arm and a severe > injury to the > head, which at first was believed to have been a fracture of the > skull. He > was a patient in Spangler hospital for three weeks and was removed > to his > home here two weeks ago. Pneumonia developed last week. > Francis J. Nagel is survived by three children, Stella, wife of > Harry > Hoover of East Carroll township, Ralph Nagel,with whom he resided in > Clearfield township, near here, and Gertrude, wife of Vincent R. > Huber of > Patton. He also leaves twenty grandchildren, four great- > grandchildren, two > brothers and a sister, Charles Nagel of Michigan, John Nagel of > Patton and > Mrs. Mary Ryan of St. Augustine. > His wife, Mrs. Alice (Byrne) Nagel, passed away sixteen years > ago, and a > daughter, Cecelia, wife of G.J. Hoover, died eighteen years ago in St. > Augustine. A number of relatives live in Altoona. > The deceased was a member of St. Augustine's Catholic church, where > funeral services will be conducted Friday morning at 10 o'clock by > Ref. > Father Pallard Farren, pastor. Interment will be in the church > cemetery. > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone tell me the name of the parents of Gertrude Nagle who married Michael J. Byrne? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 Archie Claar Obituary Collection, 1934, Vol 1, page 40 Pneumonia Fatal to St. Augustine Farmer St. Augustine, Oct. 31 Pneumonia, superinduced by injuries suffered five weeks ago when he was run down by an automobile, yesterday resulted in the death of Francis J. Nagel, aged 78, prominent Clearfield township farmer. Mr. Nagel was struck by a car while walking ?? (unreadable) the road near his farm. He suffered a fracture of the left arm and a severe injury to the head, which at first was believed to have been a fracture of the skull. He was a patient in Spangler hospital for three weeks and was removed to his home here two weeks ago. Pneumonia developed last week. Francis J. Nagel is survived by three children, Stella, wife of Harry Hoover of East Carroll township, Ralph Nagel,with whom he resided in Clearfield township, near here, and Gertrude, wife of Vincent R. Huber of Patton. He also leaves twenty grandchildren, four great-grandchildren, two brothers and a sister, Charles Nagel of Michigan, John Nagel of Patton and Mrs. Mary Ryan of St. Augustine. His wife, Mrs. Alice (Byrne) Nagel, passed away sixteen years ago, and a daughter, Cecelia, wife of G.J. Hoover, died eighteen years ago in St. Augustine. A number of relatives live in Altoona. The deceased was a member of St. Augustine's Catholic church, where funeral services will be conducted Friday morning at 10 o'clock by Ref. Father Pallard Farren, pastor. Interment will be in the church cemetery. - - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: http://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can use all the fingers on my left hand but only one finger on my right had to type because I have had surgery for carpal tunnel.  My brain goes faster than that so I'm constantly having to go back and correct.  My close friends understand and don't care.  I'm more interested in what knowledge you have...I can work around typos.  Keep up the good work. Toni

I have Gertrude's parents as: Henry S. Nagle, b. August 1863 and Matilda M. Stoltz, b. June 7, 1865 and d. June 1, 1892. Henry then married Minnie Steen in 1903. Beth Rykhus -------Original Message------- From: elaine wilkinson Date: 10/19/2011 1:53:13 PM To: Mary Hoffherr Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 Byrne, Mrs. Gertrude (Nagle), 60, Spangler, suddenly at 8 pm Mar 3, 1949. Born Aug 3, 1886 i n Nicktown, daughter of Henry and Matilda (Stoltz) Nagle. Survived by husband, Michael, and t hese children; Rev. Father Walter Byrne, Cresson; Rev. Father Robert Byrne, Marshall, MO; Sis ter Monica, St. Cecila's Convent, Pittston; Michael Jr., Swissvale; Paul, Hastings; and Louis , Spangler. Sister of Mary Wemm, Braddock. Member of Third Order Secular of St. Francis and A ltar and Rosary Societies of St. Patrick's Catholic Church, Spangler, where services will b e held at 10 am Monday. Solemn high mass by Rev. Fathers Walter Byrne, celebrant; Robert Byrn e, deacon, and John R. Reichet, subdeacon. Burial St. Benedict's Cemetery, Carrolltown. Friends will be received at late home. Funeral Home, Spanger. (obit from Johnstown Tribune paper) On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Mary Hoffherr wrote: > Can someone tell me the name of the parents of Gertrude Nagle who > married > Michael J. Byrne? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:pacambri- > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Francis J. Nagle (Nagel) obit. 1856-1934 > > Archie Claar Obituary Collection, 1934, Vol 1, page 40 > Pneumonia Fatal to St. Augustine Farmer > St. Augustine, Oct. 31 > Pneumonia, superinduced by injuries suffered five weeks ago when > he was > run down by an automobile, yesterday resulted in the death of > Francis J. > Nagel, aged 78, prominent Clearfield township farmer. > Mr. Nagel was struck by a car while walking ?? (unreadable) the > road near > his farm. He suffered a fracture of the left arm and a severe > injury to the > head, which at first was believed to have been a fracture of the > skull. He > was a patient in Spangler hospital for three weeks and was removed > to his > home here two weeks ago. Pneumonia developed last week. > Francis J. Nagel is survived by three children, Stella, wife of > Harry > Hoover of East Carroll township, Ralph Nagel,with whom he resided in > Clearfield township, near here, and Gertrude, wife of Vincent R. > Huber of > Patton. He also leaves twenty grandchildren, four great- > grandchildren, two > brothers and a sister, Charles Nagel of Michigan, John Nagel of > Patton and > Mrs. Mary Ryan of St. Augustine. > His wife, Mrs. Alice (Byrne) Nagel, passed away sixteen years > ago, and a > daughter, Cecelia, wife of G.J. Hoover, died eighteen years ago in St. > Augustine. A number of relatives live in Altoona. > The deceased was a member of St. Augustine's Catholic church, where > funeral services will be conducted Friday morning at 10 o'clock by > Ref. > Father Pallard Farren, pastor. Interment will be in the church > cemetery. > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACAMBRI- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

marilyn, sorry to hear about your disabilities. you have been a positive influence and contributor on this site for a long time. if that yahoo is that nit-picky, maybe he should shut his piehole or find another site; maybe one that is monitored by an engilish professor. take care and get well soon. bill bowman -----Original Message----- From: marilyn <[email protected]> To: pacambri <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 8:44 pm Subject: [PACAMBRI] Spelling. Someone just made a complaint about my spelling. I am sorry. I use the pell Check, but I have for a month had a mysterious growth on my left hand and t is hard to type. I also lost my good glasses and my vision is impaired. arilyn Kline Washington - - - - - - - - - Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: ttp://www.camgenpa.com/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Marilyn. I echo Robert's sentiments exactly. I so appreciate your sharing of your knowledge. I sincerely hope that your health issues clear quickly. As Robert said: "You are a treasure trove of information." Keep it up -- please! Nancy Blackburn Shorewood, Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:00 AM Subject: PACAMBRI Digest, Vol 6, Issue 209 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Spelling. (Robert McGonigle) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:20:11 -0400 > From: Robert McGonigle <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Spelling. > To: <[email protected]>, Cambria County Geneology > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Wow Marilyn, For me, no explanation is needed ofr spelling misteaks...I do > it often myself lol ! Besides, you are a treaure trove of information and > I love reading all your posts! Keep at it lady and THANK YOU for your > contributions! > > Robert McGonigle > Columbus, Ohio > > > >> To: [email protected] >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:42:23 -0400 >> Subject: [PACAMBRI] Spelling. >> >> Someone just made a complaint about my spelling. I am sorry. I use the >> Spell Check, but I have for a month had a mysterious growth on my left >> hand and it is hard to type. I also lost my good glasses and my vision is >> impaired. >> >> >> Marilyn Kline Washington >> - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PACAMBRI list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the PACAMBRI mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PACAMBRI Digest, Vol 6, Issue 209 > **************************************** >

Marilyn. Thank you for all your information you have furnished over the years on this website. You are appreciated more than we can tell you. Herman Nagle Altoona

Wow Marilyn, For me, no explanation is needed ofr spelling misteaks...I do it often myself lol ! Besides, you are a treaure trove of information and I love reading all your posts! Keep at it lady and THANK YOU for your contributions! Robert McGonigle Columbus, Ohio > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:42:23 -0400 > Subject: [PACAMBRI] Spelling. > > Someone just made a complaint about my spelling. I am sorry. I use the Spell Check, but I have for a month had a mysterious growth on my left hand and it is hard to type. I also lost my good glasses and my vision is impaired. > > > Marilyn Kline Washington > - - - - - - - - - - > > Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: > http://www.camgenpa.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone just made a complaint about my spelling. I am sorry. I use the Spell Check, but I have for a month had a mysterious growth on my left hand and it is hard to type. I also lost my good glasses and my vision is impaired. Marilyn Kline Washington

This could happen, still happens today. In my family, James Kline, an emigrant, moved to St. Boniface. He ran a bar/hotel, married an Anstead girl, and had two daughters. I am not sure how he died, but his wife married again Joseph. All were German speaking emigrants from Leimen Rhineland, and None of them could speak English. I think Joseph was guardian, but Squire Paul Yahner was involved somehow. Joseph sued Squire Yahner because there was no more money, He has some idea that the Squire has spent the money, and they all went to court, with a translator. Seems Joseph had no idea how far the money would go, spent it, and thought it would last forever. Squire Yahner proved to the court that Joseph spent it. Joseph and family moved to Latrobe where he worked in a brewery and they had two sons. Joseph drank, got drunk, chased his wife with a hatchet in front of a passing street car, killed her and then shot himself. The girls were married and the two boys were teenagers. I don't know what happened to them. It took me 5 years to get those details. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: jcrissman101 <[email protected]> To: marilyn <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 10:15 am Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Fwd: Guardianship and/or Wards of the Courth When Sebastian Hog (hogue) died, his brother-in-law was appointed guardian for 3 f the children. Theyy continued living with their Mother. The brother-in-la was aken to court and charged with misuse of his duties. Another guardian was ppointed. Then brother-in-law moved to Texas. ois Crissman --- marilyn <[email protected]> wrote: I forgot to include the entire membership. Please, if you have any examples f guardianship or wards of the court, let me know. I don't use anyone's names, ut I likewto have examples. I recently realized that there are only two embers of my Kline family older than I am, so that limits my sources. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: marilyn <[email protected]> To: wanda713 [email protected]; Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:05 pm Subject: Guardianship and/or Wards of the Courth This is what I understand from my reading the Orphans Court records and rom my own family and from correspondents. One: Only men could be financial guardians. A mother would retain physical ustody of her children, but if her husband died, another MALE had to be ppointed financial guardian. One other example I found, a doctor was appointed guardian because he aid a 14 year old girl needed an appendicitis operation and her mother refused o permit it. It was dangerous then, but the girl lived. If anyone knows what year a woman could be the legal guardian of her hildren, I would appreciate if you shared the information. Two: there were two classes of minors who needed guardians: those under 14 and hose over 14. I don't know many details, but those over 14 had more control ver their lives, though not the money. The legal age of majority was 21 when ny money was handed over to the child. Three: If there was a will, the guardian had to follow it. Regardless of the ill, if a husband died the wife was entitled to $300 Dower or Widows' ettlement. If she was taking it in household goods or farm products, she had irst choice. Otherwise the guardian had the liberty to manage the money. Stepfathers had very bad reputations as guardians, often using up the money efore the child was 21. There were usually local men of good character and [probably money] who tended o act as guardians, as most emigrants could read or write. Often the Squires ad to translate. They were called "Squire"--in this area we had Squire Thomas tt in St. Boniface and Squire Paul Yahner in Elder Township. Ott ran a store, otel and bar. Yahner was a farmer and surveyor. Both men wrote wills for the ocals and went to court when there was need. I could not really say that they ere guardians of unrelated minors. Sometimes a guardian or person controlling someone else's money had to have a ond to guarantee the inheritance. Four: Mostly the guardian was a stepfather or other relative. Few women could upport themselves and their family, so they generally remarried. My grandfather in 1916, became the guardian of his oldest brothers' [about] 0 children when his brother, Frank, was killed in the mines. Frank's wife had newborn. She was the first miner's wife in PA to receive a miner's widow's ension, so she and the children could manage, the older children working. My randfather sold the extra property and invested the money at the local bank. n each child's 21st birthday he would withdraw a draft for that child's share nd deliver it. My mother said it was a ceremony. I understand some of the ousins did quite well with the interest. I don't know what they did with the oney, but purchasing a house was probably a priority, especially if they were arried or wished to marry. My mother's sister married into a family where the mother died in the 918 flu epidemic, and the father died while some of the children were quite oung. I think the the oldest brother was the guardian, and when the youngest hild, a daughter, was 21, the estate was settled and she bought a house for 500. A lot then. Five: Minor children sometimes left the parents for some reason. Someone old me her ancestor left at age 14 and was appointed a guardian, and this uardian signed her marriage license. In her research she later found out the uardian was the Director of the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children. n this case, there was probably abuse of some kind. I said that minors 14 or ver had different rules--maybe the 14 year old could leave the parents egally??? Six: Most parents, especially emigrants, needed the income from all of the hildren, so they wanted the children to stay home till they were 21. They did ot believe the State had the right to make them send their children to school. t was extremely difficult for the schools to enforce attendance of the children t any age. In this area, a boy at age 12 could enter the mines with his parent or uardian. The School District was made responsible for certifying the age. [This is something I read in the newspaper.] The mine inspectors came and were checking the ages of the boys. They had he school principal with them. They all, inspectors, fathers and boys, walked rom the mine on the south of Hastings [Mitchell Mines or Lanark] about 7 or 8 lock to the Catholic Church. Few emigrants registered births, but most aptized the children. So the priest got out his baptismal registry and checked he age of each boy--his word was accepted. I don't know what they did if the oy was not born in the US. Also, from reading the papers and talking to a friend of my mother who was a eacher in the one-room schools, I think that the emigrant children who could ot speak English were kept in Grade one until they could. This is based on the umbers of children in each grade, which was printed in the weekly newspaper, aper also with six-weekly attendance and the names of the children with perfect ttendance. Many emigrant children had perfect attendance. Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Barrett <[email protected]> To: marilyn <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:55 am Subject: Re: [Some Information about Marriage Certificates Marilyn, Thank you so much for the thorough explanation re marriage records in ennsylvania. This brings me to ask you about GUARDIANSHIPS. Case in point: In 1902, when my randmother was 17, her father died. He left her and her nephew (whose father had been fatally hot) inheritances. I found online (thanks to Patty Millich's transcribing the newspapers) that an unrelated uardian was appointed. When she turned 21, she got her inheritance and bought the farm she and my grandfather ived on for 50 years -- and she for almost 10 more years, before the farm was sold. Question: Was the court-appointed lawyer someone who the family named or was t someone chosen by the courts? Oddly enough, the nephew's widowed mother married someone by the same urname abuot 6 years later! Of course, there were people by this surname who lived near my randmother at the time of guardianship. Was this to avoid the family cheating the heirs out of the inheritance? Then, too, her father had been guardian of three children nobody in the family nows anythting about. After his death, my grandmother's eldest brother (administrator of his dad's ill) had to go to court to transfer these chidlren to someone else. (This makes me doubt they were elatives of ours.) Thank you kindly, Marilyn. You've helped me through your emails to the group nd to those to me personally. Cordially, Wanda From: marilyn <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:05 PM Subject: [PACAMBRI] Some Information about Marriage Certificates I hope this information will help you with your research. If possible, ou should actually look at the original certificate--this is called primary esearch. A photocopy is almost as good, but often you will not get one if you o not ask for it. If you send to the Courthouse for a marriage certificate, in ome places the information is printed or copied onto a completely different orm. You are entitled to go to any Courthouse or repository and ask to see the riginals. That is why they are called Public Records. Not every place will ake photocopies, but the machines are so common now that if you ask for a hotocopy, the clerk will generally make you one. I think the legal age was 21 from the beginning in 1885. That has always een the legal majority in the US. I think it was a carryover from Europe. I hink it reflected the fact that parents wanted economic control over their hildren for as long as possible. Twenty one is a fairly old age in a time eriod when the average age was somewhere in the forties or so. Some of you may not know that in Europe, until Napoleon after 1800, the nly marriages that were legal had to be performed by some sort of religious erson. Napoleon started Civil Marriage as he was very anticlerical and ractically eliminated religion in France, and then in the other areas where he ad control. In America, a frontier country, there were few churches or ministers of the gospel." [Many Catholic priests were emigrants from France hat the French Revolution or Napoleon exiled.] Many people were not married by nyone, they made "professions" in front of the "elders" or followed some folk ustom, like "hand fasting." Father Gallitzin, our local frontier priest, arried people of many different religions. You took what was available. When aws were finally passed, all religious marriages [that conformed to the law] ere legal. Pennsylvania tried to record vital statistics in 1850. The Legislature andated them, and the existing counties started them. However, the Legislature id not pay for the records, so they were gradually abandoned. Some of the astern counties kept up Collection longer than here in the west. Indiana ounty has quite a few of them. Cambria County doesn't have many--someone ollected them in a small red pamphlet that was for sale. The historical ociety in Ebensburg has these printed copies, but I have never see the County riginals. If you want these 1850 Records, you usually have to ask for them. The ecords then contained slightly different data than in 1885, and included birth nd death records. Only Marriage Records were collected in 1885, the government eing concerned mainly about bigamy and child support. Birth and Death Records tarted in the Counties in 1893 and lasted till 1906 when the State took them ver. Marriage [and divorce] Records are still in the Counties. I don't know about other states, but age 21 was state wide in PA from 885. The early records were two pages, not one, and had a section for parental onsent. The actual form itself changed, but still asked for most of the same ata. Later the consent form was kept separate, but you can ask for them at the ld Jail Repository and they are available. I am not sure of the exact date that the age for parental consent was owered to 18, but it was about/after the 1960s. I think it was part of the ederal Government changing the voting age to 18, but I don't know the details. wenty one had been the legal majority which meant that anyone under 21 could ot legally sign any contract, including marriage. If you wanted a loan, for xample, you had to have a cosigner. The dept was not legal if you were not 21. hen I graduated from college, the week before graduation everyone who had a ederal Loan had to go to the treasurer's office and sign a new loan paper. By hat time most of us were 21. [This was 1959 for your information.] At some point after 1885 it was legal to fill out the marriage forms at he local JP or Squire, saving a trip to Ebensburg. The JP was responsible for aking the forms to Ebensburg. I think the Clerk there filled out the official orms, as many of them are not actually signed by the parties involved. The arties got a paper to take to the person who married them, and he had to return hat form to the Courthouse himself. After 1885 no one could be legally married y anyone if they did not have that form. This is a way to find out if your ancestors were literate. If they igned their name, they were at least partially literate, but perhaps in another anguage. If they made "their mark," they were not literate in any language. f they used another language, the Clerk generally added "Signed in German" or hatever language. You must also remember that "reading" and "writing" were riginally two separate skills, and most writing was done by professional lerks. More people could read than could write. Many emigrants' names were misspelled by the Clerks, but I noticed that he Priests from the Byzantine Rites [often referred to as the Greek Catholic hurches] would correct the spelling when they returned the signed marriage icense. The County Clerks were mostly Welsh, and they did not know other anguages, and spelled even English words as the Welsh did. Every "foreign" roup had persons who were translators and would go to Court or other English peaking places with their countrymen. The marriage was NOT LEGAL if the form from the JP, Squire, Priest or Minister of the Gospel," the wording on the forms, was not filled out and sent ack to the Courthouse. You would not think this was a problem, but since arriages by religious priests or ministers were legal in Pennsylvania [and most f the US], anything could happen. I know for a fact that some of the local orthern Cambria Priests [especially St. Boniface and St. Lawrence] did not feel he government had any business "interfering" with a religious marriage, and imply did not fill out the license or send the form in to the County ourthouse. So many of our ancestors were not legally married. It really didn't matter so much, as they were validly [religiously] arried and never knew about the missing information. If for some reason they eeded a marriage certificate, they got one from the church. If they did find ut or needed a legal marriage certificate from the Courthouse, all it took to ake it legal was they had to get a certificate from the church and attach it to he license in the bound volumes in the Courthouse. I have gone through the arriage records, page by page, and there are a lot of missing forms from the erson who "married" the couple and also many attached certificates. Also, some eople often did "get a license," but did not actually get married for some eason. In my experience from reading the actual certificates, this often appened with emigrants. Most people then got married if they were going to co-habitat. Social nd cultural pressure was too great to do anything else. If you have questions I can answer, I will. Most people who have not ooked at the original records do not have much of an ideal of what they really ook like or contain. A photo copy is good, but not perfect. A translation, specially when it is typed, is often misleading or lacks information available n the original. By its very nature, translation or copying, especially typing, ill tend to make information "uniform" and while that is good, it also can be isleading and incomplete. [ I taught research methods in the age before omputers, and It is different now.] Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: bobbyp2000 <[email protected]> To: PACAMBRI <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:30 am Subject: [PACAMBRI] Consent to marry This issue has also come up in our research of the Michael and Petronella opovich family.One of my uncle (Joseph) son of Michael and Petronella married n 1939. His wife was under 21 and needed parental permission. Several uestions. Was the law under 18 at one time and then changed to under 21? Was t lways under 21? At what jurisdiction level was this law set? State? County? omething else? When was this passed? Is it still in effect? Bob Poppy You anage things, you lead people. We went overboard on management and forgot bout eadership. It might help if we ran the MBAs out of Washington. 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I don't think my email went through yesterday. Here it is again. Rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Gralnek <[email protected]> Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM Subject: Looking for Augustine Fox "jr" who have have gone to Venago Co PA To: Cambria <[email protected]> Augustine Fox was married to Kunegundes Brugger (Bucher is what most people have but that's not correct for her) and Augustine Jr was born in Philadelphia in December 1817. He disappeared from Cambria CO after about 1830. Augustine Sr died in 1828 and Kunegundes went on to marry John Fry. There is a fellow in some census reports in Venago named Augustine Fox born in Philadelphia in 1817 but I can't seem to tie him to the Cambria Co guy. Can anyone help? Rich

Can you please spell "marry" correctly???!!! -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Oct 11, 2011 3:00 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: PACAMBRI Digest, Vol 6, Issue 200 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Consent to Mary ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Consent to Mary (Robert Jerin) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:54:06 -0400 (EDT) >From: [email protected] >Subject: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Mary >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >Today the marriage law is as follows: under 18 need a parents consent. >under 14 to 16 need consent of parent and a court judge. we do marriage >licenses in our office at work. > >Sharon > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:23:01 -0700 (PDT) >From: Robert Jerin <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Mary >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: > <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Did Mary recieve consent :) > >Robert Jerin > > >--- On Mon, 10/10/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: [PACAMBRI] Consent to Mary >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 9:54 PM >> >> Today the marriage law is as follows: under 18 need a >> parents? consent. >> under 14 to 16 need consent of parent and a court judge. we >> do marriage? >> licenses in our office at work. >> >> Sharon >> - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Search for more Cambria County information on our webpage: >> http://www.camgenpa.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the PACAMBRI list administrator, send an email to >[email protected] > >To post a message to the PACAMBRI mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of PACAMBRI Digest, Vol 6, Issue 200 >****************************************

Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:05:40 -0400 From: "Jack O'Connor"<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACAMBRI] Need some help Mary McGuire Trout (1846-1935) To:<[email protected]>, PA List<[email protected]> Message-ID:<[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jane Thank you very much for both the long and short anwer's. As that old Irish expression says, "Ask and ye shall receive" Jack **************** Hi Jack, That expression is actually a quote from the Bible, which would be where the Irish got it: "Ask and ye shall receive, seek and you shall find; knock and the door shall be opened to you." Glad you got the answers you needed. Carolyn

Marilyn Kline Washington -----Original Message----- From: marilyn <[email protected]> To: cambri <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:55 pm Subject: Book: The Descendants of Michael Wagoner ca 1774 -- 1826 I just found this book with some of my things. It came originally from Charles Lantzy and he gave it to my cousin Joan Weakland Yeckley because we had a Wagner great grandmother, but this was another family. The book is by Margaret M. Wagner, from Iowa, and was published in 1976. The book contains information about families who resided between Ashville [called Ashland Furnace then] and Chest Springs. It included a copy of the 1867 map from the Historical Society which is hanging on the wall there. Copies were later made of individual sections, which can be purchased. It lists all the land owners and show all the roads in existence in 1867. I really didn't read it when Joan gave it to me, and I still have not, but I looked at it. Some of the people in the book still live here in the Ashville to Chest Springs area along Rt 36, but the best thing about the book is that Margaret M Wagner was from Iowa and she records the families who moved there. I have already found several families, including the Waltz family, who vanished from this area. Many of the people from Cambria County and Clearfield County went to Iowa. I have researched some of them for people residing now in Iowa. Some of them went previous to the Civil War and other after the Civil War, as Civil War Bounties given to the veterans were situated in Iowa. Many veterans sold the land, but other moved to Iowa. Some returned, but many stayed. So if your ancestors lived in the Ashville- Chest Springs area in the early 1800s and "disappeared," they may be in this book. If you want to post me, I will look in the excellent index for you. Margaret Wagner visited this area and it also includes families who stayed in Cambria County. Marilyn Kline Washington