I am going to be in soooo much trouble. I'm supposed to be doing chores... However, here is what I have for Shira - Glenn (I don't have dates or any particulars): (3)Ruth E. Steintorf m: Samuel Shira (4)Ida Shira m: Horace Glenn (5) Howard Glenn m: Bernice Hockenberry (6) Jane Glenn m: (unk) Churchill (5) Helen Glenn m: Lloyd Whitehouse (6) Mary Ann Whitehouse (6) Richard G. Whitehouse (5)Francis Glenn m: Mellon Small (5) Burette Glenn m: Margaret (mnu) NOTE: Ruth[3] E. Steintorf d/o Mary[2] Humphrey and Michael Steintorf. Mary bap'd c. 1810. I have I have Ida's other siblings, and their offspring if you are interested. If you want all of the descendants of Mary Humphrey & Michael Steintorf, which includes abt three generations, consisting of approx nine pages total, I'll be glad to furnish that too. Just let me know. PS I might have more info that is boxed and put away for the holidays. I'll have to check later and let you know what I find. Mickie D. domuff@mindspring.com ~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAULA" <VERNE@pghmail.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] HORACE GLENN/IDA M SHIRA Can anyone connect to this HORACE GLENN married to IDA M. SHIRA d/o SAMUEL SHIRA b. Jan 7, 1836 Washington Township, Butler Co, PA and his wife RUTH E. STEINTORF b. Jul 6, 1840? Paula