Glee, Helen, et al - Finally remembered where I'd seen Grossman & Black - do any of the following link to yours? Mary "Aunt Mollie" McCandless (dau of John McCandless Jr. & Mary Ann Smith) m. William Turner Jr. John McCandless was a brother of my 2g-grandfather, William McCandless - both sons of John McCandless & Jane Carothers. Their dau Mary Ann Turner 1820-1908 m. Adam Black 1814-1888 (son of Robert Black & Betsy Grossman). Their children: Robert P.; William P.; Ann Elizabeth m. Giles O'Vogan; John M.; Jane m. William Hilton Tinker; Martha Clementine m. Clarence Bard; Sarah Ella m. Smiley Smith; Joseph Alfred m. Mary "Polly" McCallen; John T. I have a number of Blacks starting with Alexander Black Sr. b. IRL d. 1875 Clay Twp m. Elizabeth McElhaney b. IRL d. 1873 Clay Twp - children were Elizabeth m. William McElhaney; Catherine m. John McKinney; Esther m. William McKinney; Alexander Jr m. Angelina Christy; Samuel, Rebecca, Martha. Angelina Christy was sister of my grandfather, Rev. Alvin J. Christy, and dau of Joseph Williamson Christy & Sarah Keister. And I have a Daisy Edna Dunn b 1879 Washington Co, IN, d. 1970 Kingman, KS, m. 1896 Kingman, KS, Alvin Lynn McCandless b. 1877 Butler Co, PA, d. 1922 Pine Bluff, AR. Daisy Edna was dau of William Thomas Dunn & Susan Alice Wilson; Alvin L. was son of Martin Luther McCandless (my greatuncle) & Nannie Lourimore Ramsey. I'd be grateful for any further info you may have - -Mary maryliz1@attbi.com Mary E Matthews Aurora, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Beveridge" <helen@mysticalcreations.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [PABUTLER-L] Brewster--again > Glee, > I have the Grossman on my line and I would like to thank you for the > information you posted, I had the names but not the information. If you > have any other I would appreciate it, I connect into the line on Sarah > Caroline Grossman who was married to James Dunn she was born 1848. > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Derby" <mactav@ids.net> > To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [PABUTLER-L] Brewster--again > > > > Thanks for all the information, Glee. > > I do not have Grossmans that I know of. However, my Robert Black of > > Parker Twp. was supposed to be a cousin of Robert Black of Cherry Twp. > > who was married to a Grossman. I know they were supposed to come from > > Huntingdon County, but wondered if you knew where your Grossmans > > originated--old counry wise. > > Again, thanks! > > Nancy > > > > GrannyGlee@aol.com wrote: > > > > >Nancy, > > >I don't know if this is related to your line or not: Leroy Jones, 94, son > of > > >Jesse and Laura (Wimer) Jones, formerly lived in New Castle, Lawrence > County, > > >Pa. and Slippery Rock, Butler Co., Pa., died in Sandusky, Ohio in 1985. > His > > >wife Irene (Grossman) died in 1977 at age 87. Her obit is listed as > Florence > > >I. Jones. Her name was Florence Irene or Irene Florence (Grossman) Jones. > > >Both are buried in Zion Baptist Cemetery in Slippery Rock, Pa. They had a > > >daughter, Ruth. Their son, George, 65 died in 1979 Bedford County and is > > >buried there. > > > > > >Sorry, I haven't researched Joneses, so have very little on them. > > > > > >I descend through Simon Grossman of Palantine, Germany, through his son > > >Benedict, and through Benedict's son Benjamin, and Benjamin's daughter, > > >Susanna. What is your Grossman line? > > > > > >Here are a few facts for you from a 1916 farm directory for Butler > County, > > >Pa. You will note that one could very easily be looking in the wrong > township > > >for a relative, for the mailing addresses could be deceiving. > > > > > >Brewster: > > > B. B. Brewster was a grain farmer living on 59 acres in Center > > >Township. He owned fifty acres, rented another 70 acres and was the > parent of > > >9 children. > > > Charles O. Brewster, grain farmer of Center Township, owned 115 > acres. > > > > > >Dunn: > > > Andrew Dunn, retired grain farmer, lived RD2 Prospect in Franklin > > >Township owned 28 acres, and had three children. > > > E. M. Dunn, grain farmer of RD8 Butler in Franklin Township, owned > 90 > > >acres and had four children. > > > J. M. Dunn of RD2 Valencia, Middlesex Township owned 70 acres and > had > > >four children. > > > Keeper D. Dunn, grain farmer of RD2 Prospect in Franklin Township, > > >owned 8 acres. > > > I. A. Dunn, farmer of RD8 Butler in Connoquenessing Township, > owned 65 > > >acres. > > > Anna Dunn, housekeeper, owner of five acres, lived at RD2 Renfrew > in > > >Forward Township. > > > A. W. Dunn, Dairy farmer, owned 33 acres at RD1 Evans City, in > Adams > > >Township. > > > Charles W. Dunn, clerk, rented 37 acres at RD2 Butler in Oakland > > >Township. > > > J. L. Dunn, farmer with four children, Jersey cattle farmer, owned > 100 > > >acres at West Sunbury in Clay Township. > > > S. J. Dunn, garden truck farmer, owned 60 acres at RD1 Slippery > Rock > > >in Slippery Rock Township. > > > W. J. Dunn, grain farmer with one child, lived at RD1 Portersville > in > > >Muddycreek Township. > > > > > >Jones: > > > Clifford and David Jones, grain farmers, rented 160 acres at RD2 > > >Prospect in Center Township. > > > E. L. Jones, grain farmer with three children, owned 100 acres at > RD2 > > >Prospect in Franklin Township. > > > Edward S. Jones, farmer with three children, owned 85 acres at > RD8, > > >Butler in Connoquenessing Township. > > > Grant Jones, grain farmer with seven children, owned 100 acres at > RD1 > > >Portersville in Muddy Creek Township. > > > Howard J. Jones was manager of the W. J. Jones grain farm at > > >RD2 Portersville in Muddy Creek Township. > > > H.M. Jones Holstein cattle farmer with one child, owned eight > acres > > >at RD1 Evans City in Cranberry Township. > > > Isaac Jones, grain farmer, owned 50 acres at RD1 Portersville in > Muddy > > >Creek Township. > > > Jesse Jones, grain farmer, owned 53 acres at RD2 Slippery Rock in > > >Worth Township. > > > Joseph Jones, farmer with one child, owned 29 acres at RD2 > Saxonburg > > >in Clinton Township. > > > Mrs. M. E. Jones owned three acres at Parkers Landing in Parker > > >Township. > > > R. O. Jones, farmer and dairyman with three children, owned 67 > acres > > >at RD1 Evans City in Cranberry Township. > > > W. J. Jones, grain farmer with one child, owned 100 acres at RD2 > > >Portersville in Muddy Creek Township. > > > > > >That's it for now. > > >Glee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > > >You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > > > mailto:PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >Click below for the digest list: > > > mailto:PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > >In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > > >(Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > > mailto:PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Click below for the digest list: > > mailto:PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > edbook@alpha.clarion-net.com > > >

I am also a descendant of Robert Black and Elizabeth Grossman through their son James Black. Do you need any information on James' line? Thank you for posting information on Adam. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <maryliz1@attbi.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [PABUTLER-L] Brewster--again > Glee, Helen, et al - > > Finally remembered where I'd seen Grossman & Black - do any of the following > link to yours? > > Mary "Aunt Mollie" McCandless (dau of John McCandless Jr. & Mary Ann Smith) > m. William Turner Jr. John McCandless was a brother of my 2g-grandfather, > William McCandless - both sons of John McCandless & Jane Carothers. > > Their dau Mary Ann Turner 1820-1908 m. Adam Black 1814-1888 (son of Robert > Black & Betsy Grossman). Their children: Robert P.; William P.; Ann > Elizabeth m. Giles O'Vogan; John M.; Jane m. William Hilton Tinker; Martha > Clementine m. Clarence Bard; Sarah Ella m. Smiley Smith; Joseph Alfred m. > Mary "Polly" McCallen; John T. > > I have a number of Blacks starting with Alexander Black Sr. b. IRL d. 1875 > Clay Twp m. Elizabeth McElhaney b. IRL d. 1873 Clay Twp - children were > Elizabeth m. William McElhaney; Catherine m. John McKinney; Esther m. > William McKinney; Alexander Jr m. Angelina Christy; Samuel, Rebecca, Martha. > > Angelina Christy was sister of my grandfather, Rev. Alvin J. Christy, and > dau of Joseph Williamson Christy & Sarah Keister. > > And I have a Daisy Edna Dunn b 1879 Washington Co, IN, d. 1970 Kingman, KS, > m. 1896 Kingman, KS, Alvin Lynn McCandless b. 1877 Butler Co, PA, d. 1922 > Pine Bluff, AR. > Daisy Edna was dau of William Thomas Dunn & Susan Alice Wilson; Alvin L. was > son of Martin Luther McCandless (my greatuncle) & Nannie Lourimore Ramsey. > > I'd be grateful for any further info you may have - > > -Mary > maryliz1@attbi.com > > Mary E Matthews > Aurora, CO > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Beveridge" <helen@mysticalcreations.com> > To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:22 AM > Subject: Re: [PABUTLER-L] Brewster--again > > > > Glee, > > I have the Grossman on my line and I would like to thank you for the > > information you posted, I had the names but not the information. If you > > have any other I would appreciate it, I connect into the line on Sarah > > Caroline Grossman who was married to James Dunn she was born 1848. > > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nancy Derby" <mactav@ids.net> > > To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [PABUTLER-L] Brewster--again > > > > > > > Thanks for all the information, Glee. > > > I do not have Grossmans that I know of. However, my Robert Black of > > > Parker Twp. was supposed to be a cousin of Robert Black of Cherry Twp. > > > who was married to a Grossman. I know they were supposed to come from > > > Huntingdon County, but wondered if you knew where your Grossmans > > > originated--old counry wise. > > > Again, thanks! > > > Nancy > > > > > > GrannyGlee@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > >Nancy, > > > >I don't know if this is related to your line or not: Leroy Jones, 94, > son > > of > > > >Jesse and Laura (Wimer) Jones, formerly lived in New Castle, Lawrence > > County, > > > >Pa. and Slippery Rock, Butler Co., Pa., died in Sandusky, Ohio in 1985. > > His > > > >wife Irene (Grossman) died in 1977 at age 87. Her obit is listed as > > Florence > > > >I. Jones. Her name was Florence Irene or Irene Florence (Grossman) > Jones. > > > >Both are buried in Zion Baptist Cemetery in Slippery Rock, Pa. They had > a > > > >daughter, Ruth. Their son, George, 65 died in 1979 Bedford County and > is > > > >buried there. > > > > > > > >Sorry, I haven't researched Joneses, so have very little on them. > > > > > > > >I descend through Simon Grossman of Palantine, Germany, through his son > > > >Benedict, and through Benedict's son Benjamin, and Benjamin's daughter, > > > >Susanna. What is your Grossman line? > > > > > > > >Here are a few facts for you from a 1916 farm directory for Butler > > County, > > > >Pa. You will note that one could very easily be looking in the wrong > > township > > > >for a relative, for the mailing addresses could be deceiving. > > > > > > > >Brewster: > > > > B. B. Brewster was a grain farmer living on 59 acres in Center > > > >Township. He owned fifty acres, rented another 70 acres and was the > > parent of > > > >9 children. > > > > Charles O. Brewster, grain farmer of Center Township, owned 115 > > acres. > > > > > > > >Dunn: > > > > Andrew Dunn, retired grain farmer, lived RD2 Prospect in > Franklin > > > >Township owned 28 acres, and had three children. > > > > E. M. Dunn, grain farmer of RD8 Butler in Franklin Township, > owned > > 90 > > > >acres and had four children. > > > > J. M. Dunn of RD2 Valencia, Middlesex Township owned 70 acres > and > > had > > > >four children. > > > > Keeper D. Dunn, grain farmer of RD2 Prospect in Franklin > Township, > > > >owned 8 acres. > > > > I. A. Dunn, farmer of RD8 Butler in Connoquenessing Township, > > owned 65 > > > >acres. > > > > Anna Dunn, housekeeper, owner of five acres, lived at RD2 > Renfrew > > in > > > >Forward Township. > > > > A. W. Dunn, Dairy farmer, owned 33 acres at RD1 Evans City, in > > Adams > > > >Township. > > > > Charles W. Dunn, clerk, rented 37 acres at RD2 Butler in Oakland > > > >Township. > > > > J. L. Dunn, farmer with four children, Jersey cattle farmer, > owned > > 100 > > > >acres at West Sunbury in Clay Township. > > > > S. J. Dunn, garden truck farmer, owned 60 acres at RD1 Slippery > > Rock > > > >in Slippery Rock Township. > > > > W. J. Dunn, grain farmer with one child, lived at RD1 > Portersville > > in > > > >Muddycreek Township. > > > > > > > >Jones: > > > > Clifford and David Jones, grain farmers, rented 160 acres at RD2 > > > >Prospect in Center Township. > > > > E. L. Jones, grain farmer with three children, owned 100 acres > at > > RD2 > > > >Prospect in Franklin Township. > > > > Edward S. Jones, farmer with three children, owned 85 acres at > > RD8, > > > >Butler in Connoquenessing Township. > > > > Grant Jones, grain farmer with seven children, owned 100 acres > at > > RD1 > > > >Portersville in Muddy Creek Township. > > > > Howard J. Jones was manager of the W. J. Jones grain farm at > > > >RD2 Portersville in Muddy Creek Township. > > > > H.M. Jones Holstein cattle farmer with one child, owned eight > > acres > > > >at RD1 Evans City in Cranberry Township. > > > > Isaac Jones, grain farmer, owned 50 acres at RD1 Portersville in > > Muddy > > > >Creek Township. > > > > Jesse Jones, grain farmer, owned 53 acres at RD2 Slippery Rock > in > > > >Worth Township. > > > > Joseph Jones, farmer with one child, owned 29 acres at RD2 > > Saxonburg > > > >in Clinton Township. > > > > Mrs. M. E. Jones owned three acres at Parkers Landing in Parker > > > >Township. > > > > R. O. Jones, farmer and dairyman with three children, owned 67 > > acres > > > >at RD1 Evans City in Cranberry Township. > > > > W. J. Jones, grain farmer with one child, owned 100 acres at > RD2 > > > >Portersville in Muddy Creek Township. > > > > > > > >That's it for now. > > > >Glee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > > > >You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > > > > mailto:PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >Click below for the digest list: > > > > mailto:PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > >In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > > > >(Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > > > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > > > mailto:PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > Click below for the digest list: > > > mailto:PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > > > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > > edbook@alpha.clarion-net.com > > > > > > > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > > > > > > > > > > >