Hi Charles, Contact Genealogy@butler.library-online.org to see if they have an obituary in Butler Co. It's the Butler Area County Library. They are very helpful there. Bev in Calif. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Callari, Jr." <ccallari@rochester.rr.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] Trouble Finding Death Certificate > Last week I asked for help in trying to find a birth certificate which the PA Vital Records folks couldn't find. I received several great suggestions, and am pursuing them now. > > Now for another question: > > I have been unsuccessful, also with the PA Vital Records folks, in locating a death record for my uncle. I had them search on two different years, but to no avail. My question: Do the counties such as Butler keep death records? The year we would be interested in is 1909/1910, and the death ocurred in either Mercer or Butler Counties. > > Thanks for any help or suggestions you can offer > > Charles A. Callari, Jr. > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > Addresses to subscribe and unsubscribe: > regular list: PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > digest mode: PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the BODY include only one word: subscribe or unsubscribe >

Last week I asked for help in trying to find a birth certificate which the PA Vital Records folks couldn't find. I received several great suggestions, and am pursuing them now. Now for another question: I have been unsuccessful, also with the PA Vital Records folks, in locating a death record for my uncle. I had them search on two different years, but to no avail. My question: Do the counties such as Butler keep death records? The year we would be interested in is 1909/1910, and the death ocurred in either Mercer or Butler Counties. Thanks for any help or suggestions you can offer Charles A. Callari, Jr.

Walter C. - head, rent, Male, white, age 37, Married at 24, Sara C., wife, female, white, age 35, married at age 22 Paul W., son, age 11 Lois M., daughter, age 9 Ralph R., son, age 6 McCaslin, Clarence F., boarder, age 24 Pennsylvania Roll: T626_1989 Page: 6B State: Pennsylvania ED: 773 County: Allegheny Image: 0980 Richland Township ******************************* 1930 census, PA, Butler Cty., Connoquenessing Township, ED 10-29, sheet 2A GEORGE W. MEASEL, age 63, married at 42 Sophia T., age 44, married at age 23 Augustie H., son, age 21 Delmont C., son, age 19 Stella M., daughter, age 15 Lewis A., son, age 13 Laura B., Daughter, age 11 Mary E., daughter, age 10 Elanora G., daughter, age 7 Charles B., son, age 2 11/12 ********************** 1930 PA census,Armstrong County, West Franklin Twp., ED 3-53, sheet 3B Wohlgemuth, Carl, Rent, age 43, married at age 2, born Germany, came to Us in 1910-Alien, Blacksmith, Limestone mine Amanda, age 40, married at age 35 Charles W., a.d. son, age 11 Mildred E., daughter, age 3 7/12 Elmer C., son, age 1 6/12 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glorygirl" <GJWEISS@hargray.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] 1930 census look ups > If anyone has the 1930 census I have some families to look up for Butler Co. PA > > Heinrich Spithaler born 12/1888 & wife Josephine are living in Jackson Twp., Butler Co. in 1920 with son Fred age 10 > > Walter C. Spithaler born 11/1892 Forward Twp., Butler Co. PA. died in Evans City, PA. & wife Sarah Catherine Ramsey b. 1/1895. They had children, Paul, Ralph, Glenn & Lois. Later had son, Raymond born 10/1933 died 7/1974 > > Martin L Spithaler born 6/1892 Forward Twp., Butler Co. PA & wife Florence Viola Blum born 7/1899 had 3 children, Ruth, Irene & Laverne born 9/1922 died Zelienople 3/1988. They could of lived in Zelienople as Martin & Florence as well as son Laverne are buried in Zelienople Cemetery > > George W. Measel born 1866 Lancaster Twp., Butler Co. PA & wife Sophia Matilda Spithaler born 7/22/1885 in Connoquessing Twp., Butler Co. PA. where they also are buried-I am assuming that is where they were living. > > Russell Johnston 12/1898 died 12/1977 Mars, PA. & wife Matilda (Millie) Spithaler born 6/1898 Forward Twp., Butler Co. PA. They had son, Vernon R. > > Carl Wohlgemuth born 5/1885 married Amanda Spithaler born 10/1889 Forward Twp., Butler Co. They might have lived in Zelienople. > > Thanks for the help, > Gloria Weiss > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > Addresses to subscribe and unsubscribe: > regular list: PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > digest mode: PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the BODY include only one word: subscribe or unsubscribe >

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3218817375&category=14279 You are looking at this beautiful family photo taken at the beginning of the 1900s. Wagner of Butler Pennsylvania took the photo. Written on the back are Mr. & Mrs. J. S. Campbell, R. R. Campbell, and J. S. Campbell Jr. .The photo measures 5 ½ inches by 4 inches with a backing that measures 6 ¾ inches by 5 ½ The above photo is for sale on ebay.

If anyone has the 1930 census I have some families to look up for Butler Co. PA Heinrich Spithaler born 12/1888 & wife Josephine are living in Jackson Twp., Butler Co. in 1920 with son Fred age 10 Walter C. Spithaler born 11/1892 Forward Twp., Butler Co. PA. died in Evans City, PA. & wife Sarah Catherine Ramsey b. 1/1895. They had children, Paul, Ralph, Glenn & Lois. Later had son, Raymond born 10/1933 died 7/1974 Martin L Spithaler born 6/1892 Forward Twp., Butler Co. PA & wife Florence Viola Blum born 7/1899 had 3 children, Ruth, Irene & Laverne born 9/1922 died Zelienople 3/1988. They could of lived in Zelienople as Martin & Florence as well as son Laverne are buried in Zelienople Cemetery George W. Measel born 1866 Lancaster Twp., Butler Co. PA & wife Sophia Matilda Spithaler born 7/22/1885 in Connoquessing Twp., Butler Co. PA. where they also are buried-I am assuming that is where they were living. Russell Johnston 12/1898 died 12/1977 Mars, PA. & wife Matilda (Millie) Spithaler born 6/1898 Forward Twp., Butler Co. PA. They had son, Vernon R. Carl Wohlgemuth born 5/1885 married Amanda Spithaler born 10/1889 Forward Twp., Butler Co. They might have lived in Zelienople. Thanks for the help, Gloria Weiss

Hi, I was digging through my old e-mails and noticed this posting. Did anyone answer you? I can answer some of your questions. >>Does anyone have a full copy of "The Ziegler Family and Related Families >>in Pennsylvania" by Gertrude Mohlin Ziegler. I am very interested in a >>lookup on the family of Maria Bauer Boyer (1798-1880) and husband Benjamin >>Sechler Moyer (1797-1879), the part of the book that was sent to me >>states to "See Pages 300 & 301 for Moyer Line and Page 305 for 4th >>Generation of Boyer Family. Line is continued on Moyer Line." I am very >>interested in finding out the names of their children and their spouses. >>In particular, I am interested in daughter Elizabeth. Thank you. Kathie I have photocopies of pages 300 and 301 of the Ziegler book but not page 305. I can't tell you much about Benjamin but I can provide some information on Samuel and his father. I also have a bit of informaton on Benjamin since some of his information appears on a page that I've photocopied for my own Moyer ancestors. Here's what I have: From "Butler county Cemetery Inventory," Vol. 4, by the Bulter County Historical Society, 1997, page 4. Mary Moyer, born 2, 17, 1798, died 5, 11, 1880, 82 years, 2 months, 24 days, wife of Benjamin. Benjamin Moyer, died, 11, 5, 1873, 77 years, 5 months, 15 days. (By the way, this death year disagrees with the Ziegler book.) I'm sorry that I can't help more. Brian Here's my information on Samuel and his father, Benjamin. BENJAMIN and CATHERINE MEYER Benjamin Meyer lived in Montgomery County, Pa., in the late 1700s. Benjamin married Catherine Ziegler, who was born in 1736 to Christopher and Deborah Ziegler. (1) Children: (2) Abraham. John, born 1754. Maria, born 1764. Married Henry Eshbach. Eva. Married Ludwig Zerly. Hannah, born 1760. Married Johannes Latshaw. (Possibly) Deborah, born 1767. Samuel, born February 1773. Barbara, listed as youngest daughter in Benjamin’s will. Benjamin’s parents and place of birth are unknown. He may have been born in 1735. (3) His name is usually spelled “Meyer” or “Meier” in records. Benjamin was almost certainly a Mennonite. Catherine’s family was active in that church, his children married into Mennonite families and are buried in Mennonite cemeteries in western Pennsylvania. Because that church does not believe in infant baptism, no records of the children’s births are likely to be found. A Benjamin appears in records as a trustee of a Mennonite congregation in Upper Milford Township in what is now Lehigh County, Pa., in the late 1700s. “February 10, 1772, John Schantz and Benjamin Meyer, trustees of the Mennonite congregation, bought from Henry Schleifer for twenty-five shillings one-half acres of ground (the same on which many years previous a church had been erected, and which also had been used as a burying-ground).” (4) However, our Benjamin appears in records of a different area before and after this time so this reference may not be to him. He may have been affiliated with congregations closer to home. Catherine’s grandfather, Michael Ziegler, was a preacher at the congregation in Skippack Township. The second wife of Benjamin’s son Samuel, was the daughter of a bishop who served the congregation in Bally. Mennonites usually immigrated in groups during times of persecution instead of individually. Mennonites were harassed by both the Lutheran and Catholic churches and many congregations fled to Pennsylvania in the late 1600s and early 1700s because of the freedom of religion guaranteed there. On April 14, 1768, Benj. Meyer and Jacob Hahn had land surveyed by David Shultze, who was a surveyor and legal adviser to many Germans who lived in Upper Hanover Township in Philadelphia County, Pa. (5) The northern portion of Philadelphia County, which includes the areas that Benjamin lived in, became Montgomery County in 1784. Benjamin appears in Douglass Township, Philadelphia County, in 1779. During the Revolutionary War the Continental government asked residents to swear oaths of allegiance. However, Mennonites usually refused to takes oaths citing religious reasons. Benjamin Meyer is listed among such “non-associators” is Douglass Township, which is now part of Montgomery County. (6) The 1790 Census of Montgomery County lists Benjamin’s household as containing three males 16 or older and three females. (7) In January 1819, Benjamin was “very weak in Bodily strength” and decided to make out his will. Benjamin put his mark on his will, which indicates that he couldn’t write. In addition, a note on in the county will book indicates that the original will was written in German. Benjamin died before June 3, 1822. Catherine is said to have died in 1786. (8) (1) Catherine’s father is identified in his will in Montgomery County, Pa., Will Book 2, page 379. Catherine’s birth date and mother’s name comes from “The Ziegler Family and Related Families in Pennsylvania,” by Gertrude Mohlin Ziegler, pages 297 and 298, and are repeated by the card file at the Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society. (2) Children, except Deborah, are identified in the English translation of Benjamin’s will. Deborah is listed in the Ziegler book and the card file at the Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society. “Abstracts of Wills and Administrations of Montgomery County, Pa., Vol. 1, 1784-1822,” page 379, indicates that information also is in Register of Wills 4177 and Orphans Court 12146 but I have been unable to check these so far. Perhaps Deborah appears there. Samuel’s birth date comes from his tombstone, as cited in “Butler County Cemetery Inventory Vol. 4,” by the Butler County Historical Society, page 5. Other birth dates and the husbands’ names come from the card file. Some of the cards give differing birth dates and at least one of the cards in the file uses the Ziegler book as a source. (3) Mennonite card file. A possible candidate for Benjamin’s father is the Samuel Mayer who is mentioned in connection with the Mennonite congregation in Upper Milford in 1745 in the book “History of the Mennonites of the Franconia Conference,” page 221. A second candidate is Christian Mayer, whose son Samuel was born in 1734 and married the first cousin of Benjamin’s wife, both granddaughters of Michael Ziegler. Another early Moyer/Meyers in the general area were Hans and Vincent. The Mennonite community probably wasn’t very large and it was common to have such double links between families in other German communities. Christian also is listed as having a son named Samuel who was born in 1734, so his wife was bearing children at the time of Benjamin’s birth. The information on Christian Mayer comes from a card file at the Zelienople Historical Society in Butler County, Pa. (4) “History of the Mennonites of the Franconia Conference,” page 221. (5) “The Perkiomen Region Past and Present,” by Henry S. Dotterer, page 419. (6) “Oath of Allegiance, Associates and Nonassociates, Montgomery County, Pa., (Part of Philadelphia County) 1778-1779,” compiled by Janet Brittingham and Mildred C. Williams, page 33. (7) “Heads of Families at the First Census of the United States Taken in the Year 1790, Pennsylvania,” Government Printing Office, reprinted in 1978 by Accelerated Indexing Systems Inc., page 160. (8) Benjamin will was proved on this date. Catherine’s death date is listed in Ziegler book. SAMUEL and PHYRON MOYER Samuel Moyer was born in February 1773 in eastern Pennsylvania to Benjamin and Catherine (Ziegler) Meyer. (1) Married Sophrony Sechler and Susanna Boyer. (See below.) Children: (2) Deborah, born January 1795. Married Daniel Shanor. Benjamin, born May 20, 1796. Sarah. Married George Boyer. Samuel, born April 3, 1803. Catherine, possibly May 30, 1809. Possibly Abraham Tinstman, probably Samuel Ziegler. Jacob. Abraham, born April 4, 1808. Maria, born May 25, 1810. Married Samuel Boyer. Elizabeth, born Feb. 25, 1814. Married William Lutz. Daniel. Joseph. Susanna. Married Henry Bixler. Nancy. Married David Buchwalter. Samuel was married to Phyron (possibly short for Sophronia) Sechler, who may have been born in 1773. She died sometime after the birth of Elizabeth in 1814, possibly in 1816. (3) After his first wife’s death, Samuel married Susanna Boyer, who was the daughter of John Boyer, a Mennonite bishop. Susanna was born in May 1791. (4) The Moyer family moved to Lancaster Township, Butler County, Pa. shortly after Sophrony’s death. “The History of Butler County, Pa.,” published in 1895, says: “In 1817 Henry Rice and George Kneiss moved up from Harmony, and Samuel Moyer from Northumberland County.” It was after the move that the name came to be spelled “Moyer” rather than “Meyer.” (5) The Moyers appear to have moved west with other Mennonite families to establish a community there. Susanna’s father John Boyer was a minister for the group. John was born Jan. 10, 1762, and ordained at Hereford in Berkes County in 1795. John succeeded Bishop John Bechtel at the congregation at Hereford. John married Susanna Z. Bauer and they had 10 children. In 1814 or 1816, they moved to Harmony, Butler County. (6) The children of those who moved west don’t appear to have shared their forefathers’ strong Mennonite convictions. On April 1, 1836, about 20 years after the move, a number of Samuel Moyer and John Boyer’s children were baptized into either the Lutheran church. Elizabeth, Maria and Maria’s husband Samuel – who was the son of John Boyer – were baptized. The 1850 Census lists Samuel as living alone near his son Joseph in West Connoquenessing Township, Butler County. Susanna died in April 1850 of a fever. Samuel died Dec. 25, 1857. They are buried at the Mennonite Meeting House near Harmony. (7) (1) Samuel is named in his father’s estate papers. Samuel’s tombstone at the Mennonite Meeting House near Harmony, Butler County, Pa., says he died Dec. 25, 1857, at 84 years, 10 months of age. Information on the family also is available in “The Ziegler Family and Related Families in Pennsylvania,” by Gertrude Mohlin Ziegler, pages 297, 300 and 301 and the genealogical card file at the Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society. (2) Children are listed in Samuel’s estate records in Butler County Estate File M132. Samuel’s birth date comes from this listing for the Mennonite and Grace Reformed cemetery in “Butler County Cemetery Inventory Vol. 4,” by the Butler County Historical Society, page 18; Deborah’s approximate date and husband are on page 10; Benjamin, page 4; and Abraham, page 15. A Catherine Ziegler also is listed on Page 6 but I have not confirmed that she is the correct one. A Joseph, who was born in 1822, is listed on page 9 but that reference is likely to be to the younger Samuel’s son, who was born in that year. Maria and Elizabeth’s birth dates and husbands’ names are listed in their confirmation records in “St. Paul’s German Lutheran and Reformed Church, Zelienople, Butler County, Pennsylvania,” transcribed by Gertrude Mohlin Ziegler, Page 8. Although the married names of Samuel’s daughters are listed in his estate papers, the husband’s first names are not. The first names of the husbands of Sarah, Catherine, Susan and Nancy come from the Ziegler book and additional research in Butler County will probably confirm them. In addition to the children cited above, a Rebecca -– wife of Jacob Shaffer – is mentioned as a child in the Ziegler book. However, this appears to be a misidentification of Rebecca Reiss, who married Jacob Schaffer, according to the records of St. Paul’s. Or it may be a mistaken reference to the younger Samuel’s daughter Rebecca, who married a Shaffer. (3) Phyron is listed as the mother of two of Samuel’s children who were baptized as adults at St. Paul’s Lutheran Church in Zelienople as recorded in the St. Paul’s records cited above. The Ziegler book and the Mennonite card file list her year of birth and death. (4) Susanna’s father is identified in Butler County Deed Book V, page 643, which lists John Boyer’s children. Her approximate date of birth comes from “Butler County Cemetery Inventory, Vol. 4,” by the Butler County Historical Society, page 5 (which says she died “04-02?1850,” making the exact birth date difficult to calculate.) (5) “The History of Butler County, Pa.,” page 596. “20th Century History of Butler and Butler County, Pa., and Representative Citizens,” by James A. McKee, page 503, only mentions that the family settled there before the 1830s and it came from Northumberland County, which is incorrect. (6) “History of the Mennonites of the Franconia Conference,” pages 118 and 254. The book appears to disagree with itself on when Boyer left for Butler County. (7) Susanna’s death recorded in “Pennsylvania 1850 Mortality,” page 225. This lists her as 50 years old, not 59, at the time of her death and says died of fever in April 1850. Both are graves are recorded in “Butler County Cemetery Inventory, Vol. 4,” by the Butler County Historical Society, page 5. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

You did not give dates of birth for these folks so we could link them easier. This is what I have on the PIPER family in Butler Co. perhaps you link them. Please share any additional information you have. Samuel PIPER 1792 m Sarah PILLOW Mary Jane 13 Dec 1818-12 Jan 1840 Sarah Ann 31 May 1820- 1875 Harriet Belinda 27 Apr 1822 - after 1912 Elizabeth 11 Mar 1824 - 1909 William H. H 1826-1912 James 28 Dec 1828 - Susannha (Susan) 28 Dec 1831 - Eleanor 1 Feb 1833 - Martha Louise 11 Jan 1838 - May 1878 > Hello everyone, > > I am looking for additional information on FRANCIS (Frank) PIPER. He > apparently married Sarah in Mercer, Pa. They had Eli, Mary and John W. > Sarah died. Frank moved to Butler, Pa. on the 1870 & 1880 census, Lucinda > Stewart (mother-in-law) lived with him. On the 1880 my Thomas MILES Stewart > also lived with him. Thomas WAS NOT a son of Lucinda. However, she might be > his Aunt and could give me some clues as to another generation of the > Stewarts. > > Frank's son, John W. Piper married Annie Wolford. It seems much work has > been done on the Wolford lines. I need help on the Pipers & Stewarts. Frank > lived with his son, John & dau. in-law, Annie on the 1910 census. > > PLEASE HELP !!!! ANY INFORMATION additional information on Frank & Sarah > (and her mother, Lucinda).....THANKS IN ADVANCE !!!--Paula > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > Addresses to subscribe and unsubscribe: > regular list: PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > digest mode: PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the BODY include only one word: subscribe or unsubscribe >

"Claytonia" is located in Clay Twp., Butler Co., so maybe you should use 'Clay Township' as the place of birth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Callari, Jr." <ccallari@rochester.rr.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] Trouble Finding Birth Certificate > In a previous communication, I had the following questions: > > "A couple of weeks ago, I sent a request to the PA office of Vital > Statistics > for the birth certificate of my father. I know he was born on 2/26/1917 and > I thought it was in Butler, Butler County. > > My question: if on the form I listed him as being born in Butler, do they > (The PA Vital Statistics folks) look just at that county when searching, or > do they do a global search for anyone with that name/date born in the whole > state of PA? > > Additional question: Do birth records for the 1917 time period exist at the > county level? > > Thanks for any help/advice you can give me with this minor problem. > > Charles Callari" > > ______________________________ > Several people responded with some helpful suggestions, and a couple of > additional questions which I will attempt to answer: > > 1. The PA Dept of Health did respond to my request with a form letter > indicating "No-Record Certification" which means they have no original > record of this birth as being registered. > > Comment: It's entirely possible his surname was misspelled, which means I > should re-submit the request with an alternate spelling. > > 2. As far as what church they attended: I'm assuming it was St. Michael > the Archangel Roman Catholic Church in Butler. Several years ago I made a > field trip to Butler and visited the church, where I was able to obtain his > baptismal record. He was baptized approximately 2 months after birth. They > were extremely helpful there, and led me to several other of his siblings' > records. > > The only other hint I might have is on my grandfather's "Declaration of > Intention" to become a US Citizen, which he filed in the late 1930's. > There, he said that three of his children (including my father) were born in > "Claytonia", which of course, is in the state of PA, and should have been > picked up by the PA Vital records folks (I think). > > Again, thanks for your suggestions and help - I really do appreciate it. > > Charles Callari > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > pabutler@earthlink.net > > >

In a previous communication, I had the following questions: "A couple of weeks ago, I sent a request to the PA office of Vital Statistics for the birth certificate of my father. I know he was born on 2/26/1917 and I thought it was in Butler, Butler County. My question: if on the form I listed him as being born in Butler, do they (The PA Vital Statistics folks) look just at that county when searching, or do they do a global search for anyone with that name/date born in the whole state of PA? Additional question: Do birth records for the 1917 time period exist at the county level? Thanks for any help/advice you can give me with this minor problem. Charles Callari" ______________________________ Several people responded with some helpful suggestions, and a couple of additional questions which I will attempt to answer: 1. The PA Dept of Health did respond to my request with a form letter indicating "No-Record Certification" which means they have no original record of this birth as being registered. Comment: It's entirely possible his surname was misspelled, which means I should re-submit the request with an alternate spelling. 2. As far as what church they attended: I'm assuming it was St. Michael the Archangel Roman Catholic Church in Butler. Several years ago I made a field trip to Butler and visited the church, where I was able to obtain his baptismal record. He was baptized approximately 2 months after birth. They were extremely helpful there, and led me to several other of his siblings' records. The only other hint I might have is on my grandfather's "Declaration of Intention" to become a US Citizen, which he filed in the late 1930's. There, he said that three of his children (including my father) were born in "Claytonia", which of course, is in the state of PA, and should have been picked up by the PA Vital records folks (I think). Again, thanks for your suggestions and help - I really do appreciate it. Charles Callari

Hi Charles, I'm certain Butler County does not have births in 1917; only through 1905. I would resubmit my request to Butler County and use "Claytonia" as a place of birth or just say "Butler County". It's only about $4 and worth a try. I'll be anxious to hear what others say. Interesting, I never heard of Claytonia before. My father's given name is Clayton and he was born in Butler, Butler Co., PA, in 1910. The mid wife named him. He probably wasn't named for the place though. Bev in Calif. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Callari, Jr." <ccallari@rochester.rr.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] Trouble Finding Birth Certificate > In a previous communication, I had the following questions: > > "A couple of weeks ago, I sent a request to the PA office of Vital > Statistics > for the birth certificate of my father. I know he was born on 2/26/1917 and > I thought it was in Butler, Butler County. > > My question: if on the form I listed him as being born in Butler, do they > (The PA Vital Statistics folks) look just at that county when searching, or > do they do a global search for anyone with that name/date born in the whole > state of PA? > > Additional question: Do birth records for the 1917 time period exist at the > county level? > > Thanks for any help/advice you can give me with this minor problem. > > Charles Callari" > > ______________________________ > Several people responded with some helpful suggestions, and a couple of > additional questions which I will attempt to answer: > > 1. The PA Dept of Health did respond to my request with a form letter > indicating "No-Record Certification" which means they have no original > record of this birth as being registered. > > Comment: It's entirely possible his surname was misspelled, which means I > should re-submit the request with an alternate spelling. > > 2. As far as what church they attended: I'm assuming it was St. Michael > the Archangel Roman Catholic Church in Butler. Several years ago I made a > field trip to Butler and visited the church, where I was able to obtain his > baptismal record. He was baptized approximately 2 months after birth. They > were extremely helpful there, and led me to several other of his siblings' > records. > > The only other hint I might have is on my grandfather's "Declaration of > Intention" to become a US Citizen, which he filed in the late 1930's. > There, he said that three of his children (including my father) were born in > "Claytonia", which of course, is in the state of PA, and should have been > picked up by the PA Vital records folks (I think). > > Again, thanks for your suggestions and help - I really do appreciate it. > > Charles Callari > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > pabutler@earthlink.net >

Wow, Thanks for this web site. I had never looked there before. I was especially interested in the Butler County Birth Records 1893 - 1905. There are over 1200 entries (including duplicates [e.g. Court Orders]). I copied it all to an Excel spreadsheet by first copying the header lines and then filling in the data below by highlighting portions and doing "Copy and Paste". I got all of the data in about 6 steps; it seemed to be too much for my computer to handle in one copy. The next step was to sort the data. I am interested in COOPER. So I selected all of the data and sorted it by CHILD'S SURNAME, and RESIDENCE. That way I could go straight to my Winfield and my Jefferson COOPERs. All of them interested me. I used Excel's highlighter to put a yellow highlight line on my relatives. The way it is set up for me now I can easily go back and find COOPERs that moved out of those too townships or associated family names that start with 'C'. As a result of this, I have some new names to add to the tree. I would be willing to make a similar Excel file for anyone interested. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat" <sweeze@zoominternet.net> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] Trouble finding Birth Certificate. > Charles, > > You don't mention if they have responded to your request and what that > response was. You would have to ask them exactly how they search. > > In 1917 birth records were kept by the state and are not in County > courthouses. THere were some births that were not recorded and you may > find someone like that in the Delayed Birth Records section > at www.rootsweb.com/~pabutle2 > > Also, do you have any idea what church they attended? > > Pat > > ______________________________

Hello everyone, I am looking for additional information on FRANCIS (Frank) PIPER. He apparently married Sarah in Mercer, Pa. They had Eli, Mary and John W. Sarah died. Frank moved to Butler, Pa. on the 1870 & 1880 census, Lucinda Stewart (mother-in-law) lived with him. On the 1880 my Thomas MILES Stewart also lived with him. Thomas WAS NOT a son of Lucinda. However, she might be his Aunt and could give me some clues as to another generation of the Stewarts. Frank's son, John W. Piper married Annie Wolford. It seems much work has been done on the Wolford lines. I need help on the Pipers & Stewarts. Frank lived with his son, John & dau. in-law, Annie on the 1910 census. PLEASE HELP !!!! ANY INFORMATION additional information on Frank & Sarah (and her mother, Lucinda).....THANKS IN ADVANCE !!!--Paula

Hi Dorisanne, My Gibson's are from Butler Co also. Look in Fairview Township. There is a William Gibson in the history of Butler Co. 1895 which you can view online. My computer crashed a few days ago and I am just getting back online. As soon as I can I will email you the links. My Gibson's were Thomas Gibson. William Gibson was present at the reading of Thomas' will. Nice to meet you cousin! Sheryl Gibson sgibson_1@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorisanne Gibson" <105641.3704@compuserve.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] Will do 1870 PA census lookups > I'd like a lookup for Clinton Township. William Gibson, wife Sara > (Montgomery), child Joseph B. I know Joseph was born in April 1854. > > Thankx > Dorisanne Gibson > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > pabutler@earthlink.net > >

1904 is when the state started to take care of the Birth and Death Records. Prior to, it was the county court house, but not always. Some court houses kept records others did not. I send in between 3 and 10 request a month to the state as part of my research and a big family. The year is searched, I know this as it came in the form of a letter from the state regarding one of my request. Delayed birth Certs were for people who were born before Birth Certificates were issued. For example applying for a Soc. Security Card. Hope this helps Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: <JTJTJ5@aol.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [PABUTLER-L] Trouble finding Birth Certificate. > In a message dated 4/7/03 5:31:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ccallari@rochester.rr.com writes: > > > My question: if on the form I listed him as being born in Butler, do they > > (The PA Vital Statistics folks) look just at that county when searching, > > or > > do they do a global search for anyone with that name/date born in the whole > > state of PA? > > > > I think they might look for that date throughout the whole state, but I > can't say that for sure. > > > Additional question: Do birth records for the 1917 time period exist at the > > county level? > > > > There might be a birth record at the county level if your ancestor had to > apply for a delayed birth certificate. This was done when a birth was not > recorded at the time it occurred, but then the person later needed some proof > of his/her age...usually for Social Security purposes. These delayed birth > records can be a goldmine of genealogical information, because they include > affidavits from family members who were alive at the time of the birth and > testify as to the validity of the date. Hope this helps. > > Irene Crawford > JTJTJ5@aol.com > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > pabutler@earthlink.net >

Charles, You don't mention if they have responded to your request and what that response was. You would have to ask them exactly how they search. In 1917 birth records were kept by the state and are not in County courthouses. THere were some births that were not recorded and you may find someone like that in the Delayed Birth Records section at www.rootsweb.com/~pabutle2 Also, do you have any idea what church they attended? Pat

In a message dated 4/7/03 5:31:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ccallari@rochester.rr.com writes: > My question: if on the form I listed him as being born in Butler, do they > (The PA Vital Statistics folks) look just at that county when searching, > or > do they do a global search for anyone with that name/date born in the whole > state of PA? > I think they might look for that date throughout the whole state, but I can't say that for sure. > Additional question: Do birth records for the 1917 time period exist at the > county level? > There might be a birth record at the county level if your ancestor had to apply for a delayed birth certificate. This was done when a birth was not recorded at the time it occurred, but then the person later needed some proof of his/her age...usually for Social Security purposes. These delayed birth records can be a goldmine of genealogical information, because they include affidavits from family members who were alive at the time of the birth and testify as to the validity of the date. Hope this helps. Irene Crawford JTJTJ5@aol.com

A couple of weeks ago, I sent a request to the PA office of Vital Statistics for the birth certificate of my father. I know he was born on 2/26/1917 and I thought it was in Butler, Butler County. My question: if on the form I listed him as being born in Butler, do they (The PA Vital Statistics folks) look just at that county when searching, or do they do a global search for anyone with that name/date born in the whole state of PA? Additional question: Do birth records for the 1917 time period exist at the county level? Thanks for any help/advice you can give me with this minor problem. Charles Callari

You should be able to get your father's birth certificate from the state since they started recording in 1906. I'm not sure how they search for it. You should be hearing from them in 4 to 6 weeks from the time you sent your request. My dad was born 1910 in Butler, Butler Co., PA. However, I re-sent for his birth certificate because they didn't give me all the information I wanted from it. I wish they would copy the original instead of taking info they want from it. Hope this info helps a little bit. Bev in Calif. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles A. Callari, Jr." <ccallari@rochester.rr.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] Trouble finding Birth Certificate. > A couple of weeks ago, I sent a request to the PA office of Vital Statistics > for the birth certificate of my father. I know he was born on 2/26/1917 and > I thought it was in Butler, Butler County. > > My question: if on the form I listed him as being born in Butler, do they > (The PA Vital Statistics folks) look just at that county when searching, or > do they do a global search for anyone with that name/date born in the whole > state of PA? > > Additional question: Do birth records for the 1917 time period exist at the > county level? > > Thanks for any help/advice you can give me with this minor problem. > > Charles Callari > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > pabutler@earthlink.net > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > pabutler@earthlink.net >

I only found two Gibsons in Clinton twp. George and James, neither had this family living with them - I then checked the Montgomerys in Clinton, no luck... I wish I could have been of more help - keep trying! Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorisanne Gibson" <105641.3704@compuserve.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: [PABUTLER-L] Will do 1870 PA census lookups > I'd like a lookup for Clinton Township. William Gibson, wife Sara > (Montgomery), child Joseph B. I know Joseph was born in April 1854. > > Thankx > Dorisanne Gibson >

Paula, thank you so much for your information. I checked it out and this Jessie is a female. James Wilson and Margaret Morton had 8 children. Thank you anyway. I'll just have to keep trying to find some kind of lead. Sincerely, Mickey McCall ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAULA" <VERNE@pghmail.com> To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [PABUTLER-L] Rev. Jesse B. Wilson > Mickey, > > This information was given to me, but I don't know if it is accurate: > > JAMES WILSON b. 1807 d. 1886 married 1837 to > MARGARET MORTON b. 1815 d. 1873 (d/o William Morton II b. 1784 d. 1851 > married 1814 to Hannah Slemmons/Slemmonds b. 1796 d. 1865) > > They had children: > NANCY JANE WILSON b. 1838 d. 1880 married 1858 to Thompson Warnock > JESSIE B. WILSON > > Paula > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "margaret mccall" <mccall@snowcrest.net> > To: <PABUTLER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:28 PM > Subject: [PABUTLER-L] Rev. Jesse B. Wilson > > > > I am looking for information regarding my Great Great Grandfather Jesse B. > Wilson, b. Pennsylvania 15 Aug 1842, died in presumably Zelienople, 2June > 1873. I know that he was a Reverend and was married to Francis Wallace in > 1870, they went to Oregon where my great-grandfather was born. > > Because of Jesse's health they returned to Pennsylvania. They then had a > daughter Ida Wilson. I have the name James Wilson as his father, but this > may be incorrect. > > > I would like to know where he is buried, and his parents names. > > > Thank you > > > Mickey McCall > > > California > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > > To contact Ed Book, List Maintainer, e-mail to: > > pabutler@earthlink.net > > > > > ==== PABUTLER Mailing List ==== > Addresses to subscribe and unsubscribe: > regular list: PABUTLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > digest mode: PABUTLER-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the BODY include only one word: subscribe or unsubscribe >