You might consider seeking the old documents that she might of been disowned. If she was a birthright Quaker then she might of not of become a member, when you are born into a Quaker meeting and your parents are members then you are considered a junior member and currently that is up till about 21, no one is an automatic member of the Society of Friends unless they make an application to their Monthly Meeting, seeking membership. She would of only been disowned by the meeting if she was a member. Also, keep in mind there would of been a Women's Montly Meeting separate from them mens near this time as well, so you might not find her disownment in the regular meeting's minutes but the Women's. I am not sure which archives would house this perticular meetings minutes but if you contact either the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting or the one of the other local Yearly Meetings they can lead you to where they are and then you can get copies made of any documents listing her, There is a custodian of records for each Yearly Meeting, who can go through items for you finding minutes and making copies for you. Civil Marriages were frowned upon at least here within the Indiana Yearly Meeting during this time period, but couples also felt the outside pressures of having a civiliy recognized marriage as well, so they would go and have a civil marriage, and be disowned by their meeting, but could then ask for reconcilion by asking for forgiveness basically for going outside of Friends to do this, a person can do this for marring a person on of the Friends as well. This would be documented as well if it happened. Andrea a Friend ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:17:31 PM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 Thanks for the insight, Jerry. The situation is unusual. Not only was Edward Bushrod Johnson raised in the Episcopal Church, but his bride, Caroline Haddonfield had a daughter (Josephine Elizabeth) a year before this marriage. By the family oral history, Josephine's father was either a Hellings or Hellinger. That's why I asked about the entry of "Caroline Haddonfield" (her maiden name) on the marriage registration. I think that birth may have been out of wedlock. Thanks for your help, Jerry! Steve Balcom Researching Johnson, Haddonfield, Glenn, Hellings, and Neil in Bucks County ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andrea, You seem pretty knowlageable on this subject of Quaker Records I was trying to find records for the Society of Friends in the Parsippany area of NJ in the 1750-1800. could you direct me in the right direction for that info.? Would there be something on the web about that ? Ann Brown On 11/24/06, andrea long <[email protected]> wrote: > > You might consider seeking the old documents that she might of been > disowned. If she was a birthright Quaker then she might of not of become a > member, when you are born into a Quaker meeting and your parents are members > then you are considered a junior member and currently that is up till about > 21, no one is an automatic member of the Society of Friends unless they make > an application to their Monthly Meeting, seeking membership. She would of > only been disowned by the meeting if she was a member. Also, keep in mind > there would of been a Women's Montly Meeting separate from them mens near > this time as well, so you might not find her disownment in the regular > meeting's minutes but the Women's. I am not sure which archives would house > this perticular meetings minutes but if you contact either the Philadelphia > Yearly Meeting or the one of the other local Yearly Meetings they can lead > you to where they are and then you can get copies made of any documents > listing her, There > is a custodian of records for each Yearly Meeting, who can go through > items for you finding minutes and making copies for you. Civil Marriages > were frowned upon at least here within the Indiana Yearly Meeting during > this time period, but couples also felt the outside pressures of having a > civiliy recognized marriage as well, so they would go and have a civil > marriage, and be disowned by their meeting, but could then ask for > reconcilion by asking for forgiveness basically for going outside of Friends > to do this, a person can do this for marring a person on of the Friends as > well. This would be documented as well if it happened. Andrea a Friend > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:17:31 PM > Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 > > > Thanks for the insight, Jerry. The situation is unusual. Not only was > Edward Bushrod Johnson raised in the Episcopal Church, but his bride, > Caroline Haddonfield had a daughter (Josephine Elizabeth) a year before this > marriage. By the family oral history, Josephine's father was either a > Hellings or Hellinger. That's why I asked about the entry of "Caroline > Haddonfield" (her maiden name) on the marriage registration. I think that > birth may have been out of wedlock. > > Thanks for your help, Jerry! > > Steve Balcom > Researching Johnson, Haddonfield, Glenn, Hellings, and Neil in Bucks > County > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"