Thank you. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson" <jjack@hughes.net> To: <PABUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [PABUCKS] From List Manager on Ancestry > Ok guys lets drop the Rootsweb moving to Ancestry thread. It has gone on > long enough. > > Thanks > Judy List Manager > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 > 10:34 AM > >

Thanks for your sane message. America today tends to be so "het up" and "black and white". Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette Hodgin" <jhodgin@swbell.net> To: <pabucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] RootsWeb to be Moved to Ancestry.com >I understand the concern about a cost for rootsweb (which I must admit I >haven't heard from any other site other than this one) especially since we >were all told would continue to be free to all when acquired by >ancestry.com many years ago. For that I feel we have the right to feel >misled if it is true. > > However, with regard to charges by ancestry.com, of course no one has to > subscribe. I work at a college that is currently researching the costs of > scanning documents. We are not talking campus-wide, but a small area of a > small to midsize college, and the costs are coming in a minimum of $70,000 > plus personnel. The cost of server space to house such an endeavor is > quite expensive, as are the programmers or software packages that allow it > to run. Most smaller college software packages cost over $2M - and that > is without all the implementation costs to get it working and the annual > licensing costs. I can't even imagine the costs for ancestry.com on the > scale that they have. I am so relieved that they have been able to access > many records that I can't reach, either because of the costs of gas > (whether by car or plane), with the hotel and food costs while I am there, > or just because I have no idea where to begin looking. They have also > provided a great > gathering place for those who may have information for me, like I have > information for them. Otherwise, we would continue to do what we did many > years ago--comb phone books (which fewer people are included in any more), > write lots of letters that go unanswered, try to run down family members > who somehow got custody of the family bible, or hope to find the last > living relative who remembers some very necessary piece of information. > > I'm sure many who subscribe are like me, willing to share particular bits > of information with others who can't afford access or who are not near a > library that can still afford the staff to house census records and other > information. I will be the first to admit that I cringe when I get the > bill. I also sit down and do a cost/benefit study to see if it is still > worth it to me. It still is. The time may come when I no longer benefit > proportionally or when I just plain can't afford it. I really hate to see > that time come. Meanwhile, I'm using it as much as I can. > > Bottom line is, please don't be too critical of ancestry.com for their > subscription services. Be critical as you want for their countering their > written statement to us many years ago that rootsweb will continue to be > free. However, I intend to write ancestry.com to make sure that what we > are hearing is true and ask them why, if so, they went back on the > original commitment. There might be a very good reason - or maybe not. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 > 10:34 AM > >

Good Afternoon all Ok I have noticed the list has calmed down some on the Rootsweb/Ancestry issue. But It needs to stop altogether. I am getting to many complains, and I would really really hate to have moderate the list but I will. I've never done it since I started the list way back when. So lets get back to genealogy. Judy List Manager

1. In a way Ancestry.com (to which I faithfully subscribe) will be taking credit for loads of possibly even more helpful data than what they currently offer (except for Census) and also adding a lot more unproved data, too. Will all changes not automatically boost Ancestry's already high subscription charges? 2. Why didn't ATT's Dish Network (which I have on trial basis) and all of those Cable deals which the multitudes fell for even before Gov. digital deadline of 2009 automatically remove commercials from all the channels we're now having to pay to see? Janet

Does anyone on the list know of Weaver Vansant ca. 1805-ca. 1850? He was in Bucks County from 1829 through the last tax record I have for him in 1850. He was probably born there or in nearby Moreland Twp., Montgomery Co. or around Lower Dublin/Byberry in Philadelphia County. Weaver was a very poor farm laborer with a large family. His first wife was Ann Mitchner/Michener who he had at least two children with: Allen b. 1824 and Thomas b. 1827. Because his second wife was also named Ann (Ivins), it is difficult from his children's marriage and death records to determine which mother they had. Weaver was in Middletown and Bensalem from 1829 through the 1830's; Moreland Twp. in Montgomery Co. in 1840-41; in Falls Twp. for the balance of the 1840's, and may have been mistakenly recorded as William in Mansfield, Burlington County, NJ in 1850. However, a tax record in Falls Twp. for 1850 also shows him there. I believe he followed the crops and moved from farm to farm. Through the 1840's, he was living on a different farm in Falls practically every other year. His second wife, Ann Ivins, is believed to be the daughter of Samuel Ivins (1773-1809) and Lavinia unknown, and the granddaughter of Aaron Ivins and Ann Cheshire. Ann I. Vansant died in Falls Twp. 9/16/1849. Weaver and Ann's children are spread across various family members' homes in the 1850 census in Falls Twp. After literally thousands of hours research, I have yet to identify siblings for either Weaver or Ann, which seems very odd given the size of families in that time period. Through yDNA testing of two of Weaver's descendants, we know that he is also a descendant of Gerret Stoffelse Vansant, the progenitor of the Bucks County branch. However, Weaver's parents remain a mystery to me. I know that he existed but have not been able to find a birth, death, or marriage record for him. I've considered that Weaver was a nickname but since I have at least 20 documents that list him as Weaver, Wever, or Wearer, I believe that it was his real name. Please let me know if any of the above sounds familiar. Thanks for planting these names in your consciousness. Laurie in NJ

Thank you Marleen. If anyone is upset by Ancestry.com, this is a method to combat some of their tactics and help people who cannot afford the census subscription. I had not been aware of this project by Family search. I have volunteered and hope that a lot of the people on this list volunteer also. This is a good way to help our genealogy community. If we all put a little time on this, this project will be done quickly. Thanks again for the information. Jean Adams Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> wrote: I have tried to stay out of this thread, buttttttt. On one of the other lists someone posted a message from Brian Leverich, who with his wife, Karen Isaacson were the founders of RootsWeb. Brian said the contract of sale held no promise that RootsWeb would remain free. In 2005, at the NGS conference, the Ancestry / RootsWeb folks asked a RootsWeb lunch meeting what those of us there thought about a premium service that would have a fee. Those present basically told them they would be shooting themselves in a very tender place. I have never been happy with Ancestry's marketing methods, or the way they have harvested genealogical date from the people who post both at Ancestry or RootsWeb. In my opinion the only thing that justifies my special subscription is the census records, that is just about all I have access to. Additionally, much of the information found there is extremely unreliable, anything found there MUST be independently verified. For those of you with similar feelings to mine, I suggest you join the Family History Library's indexing project. The FHLIP is currently indexing the US census records among many other things. There are more than 115,000 volunteers working on the project. I have almost done 4,000 records myself since Christmas. It usually takes me 20 minutes to do one census page. Once all of the information the FHL has on microfilm, has been indexed and made available on line for FREE, Generations Network / Ancestry / My Family will be a moot point. Personally, I think they are trying to make a killing before their boat sinks. If you are interested, here is the URL: https://www.familysearchindexing.org/en/index.jsp Marleen Van Horne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amen. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackson To: PABUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: [PABUCKS] From List Manager on Ancestry Ok guys lets drop the Rootsweb moving to Ancestry thread. It has gone on long enough. Thanks Judy List Manager ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marianne, I think you deserve an entry into the Guinness Book of World Records. Al At 07:29 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >I am on approximately 70 genealogy mailing lists on Rootsweb. There >isn't much being said about the changes on any of them except for a >few GenWeb sites stating they are changing to a different servor. :) > > Marianne Dillow > > > > Zelda Capehart <zcapehart@wildblue.net> wrote: > This is getting ridiculous. I'm doing genealogy research on a shoestring, >too. It appears a lot of people want a free ride. I have a large website >for free with no limit to its size. I like that. Who doesn't like it when >they can get something like this for free. True, in return advertising >banners appear on every page. Maybe somewhere down the road there will be a >charge for it. I would hope in return they would remove their banners. >Only time will tell. I have a membership with > >Ancestry. When you calculate what I have access to and the charge, it is >really not that expensive. I don't mind them sharing my information that I >have posted. I freely share with others and lots of people have freely >shared with me. I would not be as far along on my genealogy research if >this wasn't the case. > > > >Life is full of changes. Some I don't like at all. I'm much more concerned >about the state of things in this world. This change appears pretty minor >to me in comparison. > > > >I am amazed at what this list allows on it. Most lists will not. Here >people are using a free list to complain about the move that has been made. >I think that if people want to make comments about this they should email >each other. This list is for the sharing of genealogy information, not for >what is taking place right now. > > > >Zelda > > > >   > >zcapehart@wildblue.net > > > > > >Our Genealogy Website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb >com/~mcapehart/index.html > > > >"Tough times never last, but tough people do!" -- Robert H. Schuller > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: >3/16/2008 10:34 AM

Sorry Al, the Mercedes is out of the question and I just can't see upping your allowance enough for a new four-wheel drive :o) Reese ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Lenkner" <alenkner@stargate.net> To: <pabucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] RootsWeb to be Moved to Ancestry.com > > Reese, > > I can't afford one but I'd like to have a new Mercedes. Can you help > with the financing? And I really need a new truck....... 4 wheel > drive as it's tough to drive in Pgh during the winter without 4WD. > > Al > > > > > At 05:45 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >>Amen to that - what is reasonable to a lot of you who obviously have the >>money to spare - is very unreasonable to we who are doing this on a >>shoestring. >>What a lot of you don't seem to realize is - there are a lot of people who >>can not afford expensive sites like Ancestry. We have a serious need to >>and >>want to but when money is tight and the genealogy budget jar is empty, we >>have no alternative but to use the free sites only. If they go money >>hungry >>like Ancestry, that shuts us out. >>Does that seem fair and reasonable???? >> >>Reese Spicer >>Idaho > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, Do you know of a problem with Fayette county? //////Ray Harlow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson" <jjack@hughes.net> To: <PABUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: [PABUCKS] From List Manager on Ancestry > Ok guys lets drop the Rootsweb moving to Ancestry thread. It has gone on > long enough. > > Thanks > Judy List Manager > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ray I don;t know anything about Fayette county Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray&Lela Harlow" <lharlow1@woh.rr.com> To: <pabucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] From List Manager on Ancestry > Judy, > Do you know of a problem with Fayette county? //////Ray Harlow > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackson" <jjack@hughes.net> > To: <PABUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:06 PM > Subject: [PABUCKS] From List Manager on Ancestry > > >> Ok guys lets drop the Rootsweb moving to Ancestry thread. It has gone on >> long enough. >> >> Thanks >> Judy List Manager >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HAHA !! Hi Al, Well maybe. I am on 68 of them but I am not active on all. I joined as I was researchimg my lines in a certain state and county and some I post on and some I just read. My Bucks County bunch moved on to Somerset County, NJ to Virginia and that is where I am stuck. Marianne Al Lenkner <alenkner@stargate.net> wrote: Marianne Dillow I think you deserve an entry into the Guinness Book of World Records. Al At 07:29 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >I am on approximately 70 genealogy mailing lists on Rootsweb. Maranne Dillow > > >

Ok guys lets drop the Rootsweb moving to Ancestry thread. It has gone on long enough. Thanks Judy List Manager

Reese, I can't afford one but I'd like to have a new Mercedes. Can you help with the financing? And I really need a new truck....... 4 wheel drive as it's tough to drive in Pgh during the winter without 4WD. Al At 05:45 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >Amen to that - what is reasonable to a lot of you who obviously have the >money to spare - is very unreasonable to we who are doing this on a >shoestring. >What a lot of you don't seem to realize is - there are a lot of people who >can not afford expensive sites like Ancestry. We have a serious need to and >want to but when money is tight and the genealogy budget jar is empty, we >have no alternative but to use the free sites only. If they go money hungry >like Ancestry, that shuts us out. >Does that seem fair and reasonable???? > >Reese Spicer >Idaho

This is getting ridiculous. I'm doing genealogy research on a shoestring, too. It appears a lot of people want a free ride. I have a large website for free with no limit to its size. I like that. Who doesn't like it when they can get something like this for free. True, in return advertising banners appear on every page. Maybe somewhere down the road there will be a charge for it. I would hope in return they would remove their banners. Only time will tell. I have a membership with Ancestry. When you calculate what I have access to and the charge, it is really not that expensive. I don't mind them sharing my information that I have posted. I freely share with others and lots of people have freely shared with me. I would not be as far along on my genealogy research if this wasn't the case. Life is full of changes. Some I don't like at all. I'm much more concerned about the state of things in this world. This change appears pretty minor to me in comparison. I am amazed at what this list allows on it. Most lists will not. Here people are using a free list to complain about the move that has been made. I think that if people want to make comments about this they should email each other. This list is for the sharing of genealogy information, not for what is taking place right now. Zelda    zcapehart@wildblue.net Our Genealogy Website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb com/~mcapehart/index.html "Tough times never last, but tough people do!" -- Robert H. Schuller -------Original Message------- From: Al Lenkner Date: 3/17/2008 6:03:14 PM To: pabucks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] RootsWeb to be Moved to Ancestry.com Reese, I can't afford one but I'd like to have a new Mercedes. Can you help with the financing? And I really need a new truck....... 4 wheel drive as it's tough to drive in Pgh during the winter without 4WD. Al At 05:45 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >Amen to that - what is reasonable to a lot of you who obviously have the >money to spare - is very unreasonable to we who are doing this on a >shoestring. >What a lot of you don't seem to realize is - there are a lot of people who >can not afford expensive sites like Ancestry. We have a serious need to and >want to but when money is tight and the genealogy budget jar is empty, we >have no alternative but to use the free sites only. If they go money hungry >like Ancestry, that shuts us out. >Does that seem fair and reasonable???? > >Reese Spicer >Idaho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is one example of why I say use the computer information as "clues" and check actual records. Linda M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

The thing I hate most about RootsWeb having been bought out by ancestry.com is that ancestry.com took my database I had posted on RootsWeb and put it on One World Tree. That wouldn't have upset me except that they changed my data, creating errors, and those errors have been picked up by others and posted on RootsWeb. I've written to two people so far who had definitely gotten their material from my database--one had a bad e-mail address so the bad information remains posted on RootsWeb, the other responded that he would correct errors I pointed out. Examples of my data changed by ancestry.com: every individual in my database with an event in York Co, PA is shown on OWT as being born/married/died/etc in York, England; every individual in my database with an event in Cumberland Co, PA is shown on OWT as having been born/married/died/etc. in Cumberland, England; for every individual in my database with an estimated date range for an event (born between 1840 and 1860, born before 1860, etc.) the range or qualifier is dropped and the event is recorded on OWT as having occurred in the first year of the range or the year without a qualifier (in the case of the above examples the OWT shows born 1840, born 1860--making the date of birth off by as much as 20 years!) There are more, but you get the idea. Ancestry.com is supposed to be all about genealogy, but they CREATE erroneous data then perpetuate the errors by posting them on-line. I'm incensed and have done everything I can think of to get these things corrected, but to no avail. They haven't updated OWT since 2004!! How many of you haven't made changes/corrections to your databases in FOUR YEARS?! I don't have a problem with ancestry.com charging subscription rates. I can't afford them, so I simply don't subscribe. For those who primarily use the site for census records, I recommend you get a library card. With that you can access your library's website from home, click on their link to Heritage Quest, type in the 14-digit number from your library card, and have access to census records for FREE. There are a couple of drawbacks to Heritage Quest--they don't index the census records, and are missing 1850 and 1930 records (don't know why 1850, but 1930 will be available one of these days.) Thera

Hi Kathi, Yes, that is the way I understand it too. Best Wishes, Marianne Dillow Kathi Jones-Hudson <mdcat.geo@yahoo.com> wrote: There are no changes being made to RW lists ... changes in the system used to run the lists was done close to 2 years ago and I believe there will be nothing else done to them. The change of the url's to rootsweb-ancestry has no effect on the RW lists. USGenWeb was generously hosted, for free, by RW for many years however it is not part of RW or Ancestry but an independent group. Some state/county and special projects are moving to other servers - others are not. Kathi Jones-Hudson, National Coordinator Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/index.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

There are no changes being made to RW lists ... changes in the system used to run the lists was done close to 2 years ago and I believe there will be nothing else done to them. The change of the url's to rootsweb-ancestry has no effect on the RW lists. USGenWeb was generously hosted, for free, by RW for many years however it is not part of RW or Ancestry but an independent group. Some state/county and special projects are moving to other servers - others are not. Kathi Jones-Hudson, National Coordinator Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/index.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Bob, I subscribe to 17 genealogical sites and there is an enormous difference in each of them. I use them for the free lookups that I do and for clients. I have over 11,000 genealogical books at home but I still need access to what these sites offer. Dee Thompson, Atlanta All lookup requests will be permanently archived on the Bladen County Genweb site. For a detailed bibliography on the reference sources used for lookups refer to this Link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncbladen/lookups.htm -----Original Message----- From: pabucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pabucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BOB Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:27 PM To: pabucks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] On the other hand... Have this happen over the last few years in other areas.? Is LDS site the only other gen. site than Ancestry?? Many of my state, county sites are shutting down until more research allows them to pick and choose.....Pretty damn presumptuous to use us all then charge.....bob long -----Original Message----- From: Linda <linda@maine.rr.com> To: pabucks@rootsweb.com <pabucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 3:03 pm Subject: [PABUCKS] On the other hand... I was upset at first about Ancestry charging the fee for info I had provided but look at it this way- some of us wouldn't be as far along in our genealogy if Ancestry didn't provide this service. If you are unwilling to share your info with them the rest of us will never see it!! I recently paid my annual fee and their costs have come down this year. I did a lot of research the old way, libraries, historical societies etc., but its nice to hear from people who have seen my tree online at Ancestry and help others or have them help me. I hope this controversy stops. It seems to be dominating the site. There is certainly nothing we can do about the situation. Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PABUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message