Here is a like to the Friends Library at Swarthmore College. http://www.swarthmore.edu/library/friends/ Joan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Frank Heger Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:07 AM To: [email protected]; andrea long Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 Thank you for this information. I would be interested in obtaining information from this source. How would one go about accomplishing this. Frank Heger [email protected] For your security and mine all messages are scanned for viruses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Fenner" <[email protected]> To: "andrea long" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 > Swarthmore College in PA is the repository for Quaker records. > Bob, Marlton, NJ > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for this information. I would be interested in obtaining information from this source. How would one go about accomplishing this. Frank Heger [email protected] For your security and mine all messages are scanned for viruses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Fenner" <[email protected]> To: "andrea long" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 > Swarthmore College in PA is the repository for Quaker records. > Bob, Marlton, NJ >

Hello All, I scanned and uploaded another 20 pages of the book "Pennsylvania Colony and Commonwealth". For those interested in reading the book it's at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Vansant and related families -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/2006 10:55 AM

Swarthmore College in PA is the repository for Quaker records. Bob, Marlton, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrea long" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 > Is that an active meeting now? If it is then you can contact them > directly, but otherwise the records would be in an archive with a > custodian. Let me do a little checking to see if I can get to a website > for a Yearly Meeting for the area. I know that most record archives of > Monthly Meetings and Yearly Meetings are kept in Quaker Colleges and that > would just probably depend on which one the respective Yearly Meeting is > associated with. There are several Quaker Colleges through out the United > States. I don't know how they would do in other countries/Yearly Meetings > though. > Andrea > > In memory of Tom Fox, a Quaker and Peace Keeper who was kidnapped a year > ago this coming week in Iraq, and killed by his captors. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ann Brown <[email protected]> > To: andrea long <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:06:31 PM > Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 > > > Andrea, > > You seem pretty knowlageable on this subject of Quaker Records I was > trying to find records for the Society of Friends in the Parsippany area > of NJ in the 1750-1800. could you direct me in the right direction for > that info.? Would there be something on the web about that ? > > Ann Brown > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Andrea, You seem pretty knowlageable on this subject of Quaker Records I was trying to find records for the Society of Friends in the Parsippany area of NJ in the 1750-1800. could you direct me in the right direction for that info.? Would there be something on the web about that ? Ann Brown On 11/24/06, andrea long <[email protected]> wrote: > > You might consider seeking the old documents that she might of been > disowned. If she was a birthright Quaker then she might of not of become a > member, when you are born into a Quaker meeting and your parents are members > then you are considered a junior member and currently that is up till about > 21, no one is an automatic member of the Society of Friends unless they make > an application to their Monthly Meeting, seeking membership. She would of > only been disowned by the meeting if she was a member. Also, keep in mind > there would of been a Women's Montly Meeting separate from them mens near > this time as well, so you might not find her disownment in the regular > meeting's minutes but the Women's. I am not sure which archives would house > this perticular meetings minutes but if you contact either the Philadelphia > Yearly Meeting or the one of the other local Yearly Meetings they can lead > you to where they are and then you can get copies made of any documents > listing her, There > is a custodian of records for each Yearly Meeting, who can go through > items for you finding minutes and making copies for you. Civil Marriages > were frowned upon at least here within the Indiana Yearly Meeting during > this time period, but couples also felt the outside pressures of having a > civiliy recognized marriage as well, so they would go and have a civil > marriage, and be disowned by their meeting, but could then ask for > reconcilion by asking for forgiveness basically for going outside of Friends > to do this, a person can do this for marring a person on of the Friends as > well. This would be documented as well if it happened. Andrea a Friend > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:17:31 PM > Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 > > > Thanks for the insight, Jerry. The situation is unusual. Not only was > Edward Bushrod Johnson raised in the Episcopal Church, but his bride, > Caroline Haddonfield had a daughter (Josephine Elizabeth) a year before this > marriage. By the family oral history, Josephine's father was either a > Hellings or Hellinger. That's why I asked about the entry of "Caroline > Haddonfield" (her maiden name) on the marriage registration. I think that > birth may have been out of wedlock. > > Thanks for your help, Jerry! > > Steve Balcom > Researching Johnson, Haddonfield, Glenn, Hellings, and Neil in Bucks > County > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

Another tidbit, Yearly Meetings are made up of Quarterly Meetings, these Quarterly Meetings are made up of the Montly Meetings and local meeting (not all local meetings are their own indepentant MM, but a part of another MM, (another monkey wrench in your search) anyway, these Quarterly Meetings, which use to meet once every three months, would conduct a business meeting where there also might be minutes that list marriages, births and deaths. Back during this time period you are looking at, most Quarterly Meetings were well attended and many took responsbilites, so you might find your family mentioned in them as well. All these old minutes are fun to read through, to not only get genealogy info from them but to peek a little at what your ancestors were also concerned about or how they might be living their lives. These would be something that you would want to look through yourself, as a researcher would not really take the time to get for you, you will have to visit the archive to do that. So there is the United Meeting made up of Yearly Meetings, which are made up of Quaterly Meetings and Monthly Meetings (if not a part of a QM), and Monthly Meetings can be stand alone or of two or more local meetings. But remember not all local meetings are necessarily a part of any other organized Society of Friends for lots of reasons. Andrea

Is that an active meeting now? If it is then you can contact them directly, but otherwise the records would be in an archive with a custodian. Let me do a little checking to see if I can get to a website for a Yearly Meeting for the area. I know that most record archives of Monthly Meetings and Yearly Meetings are kept in Quaker Colleges and that would just probably depend on which one the respective Yearly Meeting is associated with. There are several Quaker Colleges through out the United States. I don't know how they would do in other countries/Yearly Meetings though. Andrea In memory of Tom Fox, a Quaker and Peace Keeper who was kidnapped a year ago this coming week in Iraq, and killed by his captors. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ann Brown <[email protected]> To: andrea long <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:06:31 PM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 Andrea, You seem pretty knowlageable on this subject of Quaker Records I was trying to find records for the Society of Friends in the Parsippany area of NJ in the 1750-1800. could you direct me in the right direction for that info.? Would there be something on the web about that ? Ann Brown

Looks like NJ is split between several Yearly Meetings, according to the yahoo searches I did. http://www.pym.org/index.php Philly and New York Yearly Meetings and New England Yearly Meeting. Now Montly Meetings are not a part of Yearly Meeting by location, but by their choice, some Monthly Meetings chose not to be a part of a Yearly Meeting at all. http://www.westburyquakers.org/qt/archive/files/GENE1.htm http://cpti.ws/court_docs/tax/second/brief.html these are some sites that I found that give a little bit of history on Quakers and such that you might be interested in. I am looking at my Quaker Life Magazine, Monthly Meeting pay to list their meetings in this and 6 are listed for New Jersey, but there may be more who just don't pay for the ad. And there is no Yearly Meeting Listed as NJYM so here are my thoughts for you, try to contact the closest MM to Parsippany and maybe someone there can answer where they think the Parsippany Records are Archived or try the Yearly Meetings, but I think the local MM will be better for you knowing local history and such. I would call either during the week and speak to the pastor/assistant or call on a Saturday and leave a message, so that someone can then talk to whom ever in the meeting who would be the history buff there and get back with you. Or write to them, I am sure you will get some help. Do a whitepages.com for a phone number reverse search and get addresses. Manasquan Meeting, Rte 35 at Manasauan Circle, phone is 732-701-0826. Medford Meeting, Union Street Meetinghouse, phone is 609-953-8914. Montclair Meeting, at Park St. and Gordonhurst Ave., phone is 937-744-8320. Moorestown Meeting, 118 E. Main St., phone is 856-235-1561. Plainfield Meeting, 225 Watchung Ave. & East Third Street, phone is 908-757-5736. Shrewsbury Meeting, Rte. 35 & Sycamore, phone is 732-741-4138. New England Yearly Meeting, 901 Pleasent St., Worcester, MA 01602, phone 508-754-6760, e-mail is [email protected] New York Yearly Meeting, 15 Rutherford Place, New York, NY 10003, phone is 212-673-5750, e-mail is [email protected] or [email protected] Philly is not listed in the magazine, but that could be because I think they are not a part of Friends United Meeting, fum.org, but the link above will get you in contact with them. Andrea ----- Original Message ---- From: Ann Brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 Andrea, You seem pretty knowlageable on this subject of Quaker Records I was trying to find records for the Society of Friends in the Parsippany area of NJ in the 1750-1800. could you direct me in the right direction for that info.? Would there be something on the web about that ? Ann Brown

You might consider seeking the old documents that she might of been disowned. If she was a birthright Quaker then she might of not of become a member, when you are born into a Quaker meeting and your parents are members then you are considered a junior member and currently that is up till about 21, no one is an automatic member of the Society of Friends unless they make an application to their Monthly Meeting, seeking membership. She would of only been disowned by the meeting if she was a member. Also, keep in mind there would of been a Women's Montly Meeting separate from them mens near this time as well, so you might not find her disownment in the regular meeting's minutes but the Women's. I am not sure which archives would house this perticular meetings minutes but if you contact either the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting or the one of the other local Yearly Meetings they can lead you to where they are and then you can get copies made of any documents listing her, There is a custodian of records for each Yearly Meeting, who can go through items for you finding minutes and making copies for you. Civil Marriages were frowned upon at least here within the Indiana Yearly Meeting during this time period, but couples also felt the outside pressures of having a civiliy recognized marriage as well, so they would go and have a civil marriage, and be disowned by their meeting, but could then ask for reconcilion by asking for forgiveness basically for going outside of Friends to do this, a person can do this for marring a person on of the Friends as well. This would be documented as well if it happened. Andrea a Friend ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:17:31 PM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 Thanks for the insight, Jerry. The situation is unusual. Not only was Edward Bushrod Johnson raised in the Episcopal Church, but his bride, Caroline Haddonfield had a daughter (Josephine Elizabeth) a year before this marriage. By the family oral history, Josephine's father was either a Hellings or Hellinger. That's why I asked about the entry of "Caroline Haddonfield" (her maiden name) on the marriage registration. I think that birth may have been out of wedlock. Thanks for your help, Jerry! Steve Balcom Researching Johnson, Haddonfield, Glenn, Hellings, and Neil in Bucks County ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the insight, Jerry. The situation is unusual. Not only was Edward Bushrod Johnson raised in the Episcopal Church, but his bride, Caroline Haddonfield had a daughter (Josephine Elizabeth) a year before this marriage. By the family oral history, Josephine's father was either a Hellings or Hellinger. That's why I asked about the entry of "Caroline Haddonfield" (her maiden name) on the marriage registration. I think that birth may have been out of wedlock. Thanks for your help, Jerry! Steve Balcom Researching Johnson, Haddonfield, Glenn, Hellings, and Neil in Bucks County

Quakers believe that no man or woman can join two people, but only God can. Friends have traditionally exchanged vows with each other in the presence of Friends and Family. Since there was no priest or minister to witness the wedding, U.S. law historically did not recognize the marriages, so Quakers created a certificate with their written vows. It is then signed by the couple and all in attendance. Therefore Quaker marriages were not performed by a Justice of the Peace and since Edward was an Episcopal this would not be an approved Quaker marriage. If Caroline was the Quaker she would have been dis-owned because of marring outside and to a non-Quaker. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [PABUCKS] Quaker Marriage Contract, 1853 > The following transcription of a marriage registration in Bucks County > (1853) raises some questions for a neophyte researcher like me. > > 1. The response to "By what ceremony contracted" is "Friends." I > understand that to mean Quaker, but were Quaker marriages usually > performed by a Justice of the Peace (I am assuming that William Blakey, J > P" indicates that he is a Justice of the Peace)? > > 2. Caroline Haddonfield had a child prior to this marriage. Haddonfield > was her maiden name. If she had been married previously, wouldn't her > married name have been used on this registration? > > 3.Edward Bushrod Johnson was raised in the Episcopal Curch (his father was > a reverend). Is this an approved Quaker marriage, or one done outside the > church? > > Thanks for your help! > > LDS Film #0927590 > > Registration of Marriages in the County of Bucks, folio 15 > > Marriage of Edward Johnson > And Caroline Haddonfield > > 1. Full name of husband Edward Johnson > 2. Name of the father of said husband William Johnson > 3. Name of the mother of said husband Analiza Johnson > 4. Occupation of husband Farmer > 5. Residence of husband Middletown Twp., Bucks Co. > 6. Birth place of husband [left blank] > 7. Full name of wife previously to marriage > Caroline Haddonfield > 8. Name of the father of said wife > Joseph Haddonfield > 9. Name of the mother of said wife > Hannah Haddonfield > 10. The time when the marriage was contracted October 27th 1853 > 11. The place, town or township and county where contracted Middletown > Twp, Bucks Co. > 12. The color White > 13. By what ceremony contracted > Friends > 14. Name of the person pronouncing marriage > Wm. Blakey, J.P. > 15. Date of certificate [left blank] > 16. Date of registration Dec. 5, 1853 > 17. Signature of the register or his deputy > Wm. Thompson [signed in the handwriting found in the > rest of the record] > > > Steve Balcom > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The following transcription of a marriage registration in Bucks County (1853) raises some questions for a neophyte researcher like me. 1. The response to "By what ceremony contracted" is "Friends." I understand that to mean Quaker, but were Quaker marriages usually performed by a Justice of the Peace (I am assuming that William Blakey, J P" indicates that he is a Justice of the Peace)? 2. Caroline Haddonfield had a child prior to this marriage. Haddonfield was her maiden name. If she had been married previously, wouldn't her married name have been used on this registration? 3.Edward Bushrod Johnson was raised in the Episcopal Curch (his father was a reverend). Is this an approved Quaker marriage, or one done outside the church? Thanks for your help! LDS Film #0927590 Registration of Marriages in the County of Bucks, folio 15 Marriage of Edward Johnson And Caroline Haddonfield 1. Full name of husband Edward Johnson 2. Name of the father of said husband William Johnson 3. Name of the mother of said husband Analiza Johnson 4. Occupation of husband Farmer 5. Residence of husband Middletown Twp., Bucks Co. 6. Birth place of husband [left blank] 7. Full name of wife previously to marriage Caroline Haddonfield 8. Name of the father of said wife Joseph Haddonfield 9. Name of the mother of said wife Hannah Haddonfield 10. The time when the marriage was contracted October 27th 1853 11. The place, town or township and county where contracted Middletown Twp, Bucks Co. 12. The color White 13. By what ceremony contracted Friends 14. Name of the person pronouncing marriage Wm. Blakey, J.P. 15. Date of certificate [left blank] 16. Date of registration Dec. 5, 1853 17. Signature of the register or his deputy Wm. Thompson [signed in the handwriting found in the rest of the record] Steve Balcom [email protected]

Does anyone know who the wife may be of Thomas Harvey of Falls, who died in 1779? There seems to be no will abstract, unfortunately He was Military Captain in 1775. From newspaper ads of settling the estate it appears the first name of his wife is Sarah. Although the family is Quaker, I find no record of a Quaker marriage in the local area, at least that I can access online. I would also appreciate suggestions of where to look for the information. I haven't been to a Family History Center yet. Thanks for any suggestions. --Susan

Hello All, I added another 10 pages to the Eastburn Reeder book "Early Settlers of Solebury". I am almost finished it now! You can read it at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell and related families -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - Release Date: 11/20/2006 9:20 PM

Claralu, Do you have the ancestors of this John BARCALOW?? I would be interested to see if or how he connects to earlier Van BURKELOW families of Maryland or of NJ. There was a connection to Germantown and a connection to Bohemia Manor, Cecil County, Maryland. Thanks very much, Liz J On 11/20/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > I am interested in any information about John WHITE and Mary MITCHELL. > I assume they were probably born around 1780 or after. Their daughter Martha > married John BARCALOW. I have no idea whether they are related to Daniel > Mitchell and Phebe White mentioned in messages last week. > > Claralu Blake > Florida >

Please put any responses on the site. I too would be interested in what anyone knows. Not certain how I might tie in, but might. I do have Mitchells and Whites in Bucks County. I have a Rachel White, daughter of James White, married a Richard Mitchell and moved to Ohio about 1830. So, the time frame is correct. Mike Daley Carlisle, PA

I am interested in any information about John WHITE and Mary MITCHELL. I assume they were probably born around 1780 or after. Their daughter Martha married John BARCALOW. I have no idea whether they are related to Daniel Mitchell and Phebe White mentioned in messages last week. Claralu Blake Florida

I will be forward enough to jump in without having the entire trail of this informative note. I was wondering if the concerned parties here knew of the connection to South Carolina. Some of the Welsh Baptists from the Gwynedd area migrated to the area on the PeeDee in South Carolina and I visited the present church of the Welsh Baptist congregation several years ago. I must confess to a certain fogginess, since I was not looking for Williams, but I thought that was one of names of the early families. I was trying to trace the movements of Johannes Kolb who left Montgomery County, PA about 1735 and appears with the Welsh Baptists in SC before 1750. Glenn Landis, Lititz ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Williams/Wilhelms > The Welsh Baptists of Pencader,Del,spent a few years 1st at Gwynedd,or > North Wales,the 1698 colony who immigrated mostly non-Quaker,unlike the > main Welsh Tract just west of downtown Philaelphia,or 20 miles south. > Gwynedd > was,1698,in Philadelphia Co,now Montgomery,with Bucks Co forming the > colonies > northern boundry. Southampton and Pennypack were the Baptist churches > nearby. > Neshaminy Presbyterian,on that creek,in Bucks. Maybe Abington Quaker > meeting. > I had Edward Foulke,Episcopalian,of the 1698.And my Swiss MaDori-MaDARA, > Medary,Medairy lived on Neshaminy Creek,at the Bucks-Montgomery line. The > farm > south of mine in Clermont Co,SW Ohio was settled in 1818 by John > Simpson,Jr > grandfather of Pres-Gen US Grant. Simpson lived within the Gwynedd > tract,but > crossed to Bucks Co to Neshaminy Presbyterian to worship,1815+ under Rev > Belville,of NCC,Del.Dad's [1898-2000] uncle was Robert Belville Simpson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anna, My Eastburn's settled around Solebury and Buckingham in Buck's Co and my direct ancestor moved to New Castle Co., DE. I don't have any Cressman's in my database, but the there are so many branches of the family that I can't research them all. I will keep an eye for this though. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Alan ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:04:05 EST From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Bucks Book & Mechanicsville Church Photo To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello Alan, I have been reading your up dates and enjoying them very much. The name Eastburn means a lot to me, for it is my husbands first name. He was named for Ispen Cressman. He was his Great grandfather. Ispen changed his name to Eastburn and so it remains in our family. My grandson says it will end with him. How ever I am interested in the Eastburn family as well. I am just starting to research it. I would appreciate any help or suggestions you can give me. The Cressman family lived in Bucks Co. Eastburn Cressman lived in Pleasant Valley, but finally in his older years moved to Bethlehem, Pa and lived with his daughter and family. Keep up the good work. Thanks Anna in AZ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 11/18/2006 4:48 PM

------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:04:05 EST From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Bucks Book & Mechanicsville Church Photo To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello Alan, I have been reading your up dates and enjoying them very much. The name Eastburn means a lot to me, for it is my husbands first name. He was named for Ispen Cressman. He was his Great grandfather. Ispen changed his name to Eastburn and so it remains in our family. My grandson says it will end with him. How ever I am interested in the Eastburn family as well. I am just starting to research it. I would appreciate any help or suggestions you can give me. The Cressman family lived in Bucks Co. Eastburn Cressman lived in Pleasant Valley, but finally in his older years moved to Bethlehem, Pa and lived with his daughter and family. Keep up the good work. Thanks Anna in AZ ------------------------------ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 11/18/2006 4:48 PM