Hi This is my Thornton line.too. I definitely have the Joseph Thornton and Peggy -Margaret- Gale line thru John m Sarah Walker, Joseph m Mary Cary, John m Julian Chapman, Mary Ellen m Charles henry Dayton, John C Dayton m Emma Barnes, Margaret Dayton m Leon Van Buskirk, John C me. What I hasver is largerly family Bible and memo between family members. I know the first Joseph and Peggy had about 12 chilren, and the direct line to me. I have very little on the brothers and sisters. I would love to know more. I also have the Chapman line that married a Twining, see my website. JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] JAMES DE NORMANDIE & ELIZABETH STRICKLAND,dau AMOS& MARGARET T... > In a message dated 1/24/2007 3:02:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > On Sunday, January 21, 2007, Jacqueline Sleeper Russell wrote: > Would anyone have anything on AMOS STRICKLAND, his first wife, children, > and second wife MARGARET THORNTON, and all ch. with her? > > Response: > In The American Genealogist, Whole No. 59, Vol. XV, No. 3 (Jan. 1939), in an > article entitled The Family of Joseph Thornton of Newport Pagnell, co. > Buckingham, England, and of Newtown, Bucks Co., Pennsylvania, authored by John Insley > Coddington, M.A., there is a brief discussion of the activities of Amos > Strickland; of his first wife's family; and of the three children by his second > wife, Margaret Thornton, including Elizabeth who married (first) Dr. James de > Normandie of Bristol. > > Serious researchers will know John Insley Coddington as a meticulous > genealogist along the lines of Jacobus. > My photocopied article was obtained (for a fee) in 2003 from the Newtown > Historic Association, by the kind auspices of one Heinz Heinemann. If you > wish it, I could send you--or anyone else, for that matter--as an attachment > the two pages of the article on which the information is given, if you contact > me off-list. > > -- DK McLaren > Researching THORNTON, TWINING, HAINES (with limited success on the > Haineses--help me out, folks!) > ================================= > Hello DK MCLAREN, > > I am VERY new to Pennsylvania research. Most of my family came from New > England, Massachusetts & New Hampshire. > > I would love to have the item you are offering. I just obtained 18 pages of > NGSQ from the NATIONAL GENEALOGY SOCIETY, Arlington, VA, which included AMOS > but only listed that he moved to Washington County, PA and that he was b. abt. > 1790. I have been doing census research on him over there and joined the > Washington County list which has been helpful. > > Here is what I have so far on AMOS. I am including his parent's listing. > Check the census research below listing. His wife is missing from the 1850 > census however by 1860 he appears to have found a much younger bride and has (if it > is his) a son AMOS. > ============================== > NATIONAL GENEALOGY SOCIETY QUARTERLY > Vol. 65. December 1977 Number 4. > > DE NORMANDIE FAMILY OF BRISTOL, BUCKS COUNTY, PA. Page 243. > > Page 250. & 251. > > 31. JAMES DE NORMANDIE, son of ANTHONY and MARY (HALL) DE NORMANDIE of > Bristol and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania was baptized 18 December 1754, according to > the register of ST. MARY's Church, Burlington, New Jersy. 11 He was listed > as an apprentice to (DR.) JOHN DE NORMANDIE, among the 124 men not members of > the Bristol Borough and Township Associated Company of Infantry in 1775. 45 > > His name appears among the single men in the tax lists of Middletown > Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania, 1781-1785, and as DOCTOR JAMES DE NORMANDIE in > 1786. By deed 12 February 1783 JAMES DE NORMANDIE of Attleborough, Middletown > Township, practitioner in physic, and wife ELIZABETH STRICKLAND, daughter of > AMOS STRICKLAND, late of Newtown in said county, Gentleman, conveyed real > esate. 46 Administration upon the estate of JAMES DE NORMANDIE of Middletown > Township, deceased intestate, was granted 19 December 1793 to his widow ELIZABETH > DE NORMANDIE and MARK HAPENY. 47 The County Orphans Court, 22 April 1805, > appointed JACOB KISLER, their step-father, guardian of JOHN A. and AMOS DE > NORMANDIE, age over 14, and ABRAHAM CHAPMAN, ESQ., guardian of ANTHONY and JAMES DE > NORMANDIE, age under 14, sons of ELIZABETH KISLER, late ELIZABETH DE NORMANDIE > and her late husband JAMES DE NORMANDIE, the said children being entitled to > some estate by the Will of their uncle AMOS STRICKLAND, JR., deceased. > > Marriage Certificate. I do herby Certify that JAMES DE NORMANDIE and > ELIZABETH STRICKLAND were joined in Holy Matrimony by me in the presence of the > Subscribing Witness my Hand this Sixth day of September in the year of our Lord one > Thousand seven hundred and eighty seven. (signed) SAML. BENEZET. Witnesses. > JOSEPH THORNTON, ELIZABETH THORNTON, CHRISTOPHER PETER, ISAIAH SHINN, JOSIAS > FERGUSON, MARK HAPENY, MARGARET THORNTON, senr., JAMES M. RAGUET, WILLIAM > JENKS, HENRY BLACHKY, RACHAEL HAPENY, HENRY WISINER, JOHN BALDWIN, IS. HICKS, WM. > EWING, AMOS STICKLAND, THOMAS BILES, SAMUEL YARDLEY THORNTON, JOHN THORNTON, > JAMES GRIER FERGUSON, SARAH PETER, MARY ROBERTS, CLARA DE NORMANDIE, MARY > FERGUSON, MARGARET THORNTON, junr., SARAH THORNTON, ELIZTH. WILLET, JR., FRANCES > STRICKLAND, MARGARET THRONTON, MARGARET KNOWLES. Recorded 7 Sept 1787. 48 The > officiant SAMUEL BENEZET was a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas at Newtown, > the Bucks County seat since 1784. > > The bride ELIZABETH STRICKLAND was the daughter of AMOS STRICKLAND and his > second wife MARGARET THORNTON, whose marriage 27 January 1763 was reported to > Middleton Monthly Meeting of Friends 3 February 1763. The will of AMOS > STRICKLAND of Newtown, Bucks County, Gentlemen, dated 31 March 1799 and probated 24 > December 1779, named my wife MARGARET, son AMOS, daughters RACHEL, ELIZABETH > and FRANCES. The will of AMOS STRICKLAND, JR. of Fallsington, Bucks County, > dated 15 May 1797 and probated 24 may 1797, named my nephews JOHN, AMOS ANTHONY, > and JAMES DE NORMANDIE, sons of my sister ELIZABETH DE NORMANDIE. As widow of > DR. JAMES DE NORMANDIE, she married JACOB KESLER, innkeeper and first > Postmaster of Newtown, Bucks County, appointed in 1800. 49 JACOB KESLER was listed > in the Federal census of Newtown 1810, but his estate is not found in the > county probate records. > > CHILDREN OF JAMES and ELIZABETH (STRICKLAND) DE NORMANDIE. > > 38. i. JOHN ABRAHM 5 DE NORMANDIE, b. say 1788, m. 17 Mch. 1811 ELIZA P. > ATKINSON, dau. of THOMAS ATKINSON of Trenton, N.J., the REV. JAMES F. > ARMSTRONG, Pastor of the Presbyterian Ch. there, officating. > > 39. ii. AMOS DE NORMANDIE, b. say 1790, listed in Federal census of > Washington Twp., Washington Co., Pa., 1830. > > 40. iii. ANTHONY DE NORMANDIE, b. say 1790, listed in census of > Phoenixville, Chester Co., Pa., 1850. > > 41. iv. JAMES DE NORMANDIE, M.D., b. 14 Aug. 1793, PENNS Manor, Bucks Co., > Pa.; listed in census of Falls Twp., that Co., 1830; d. 19 May 1866, Yellow > Springs, Ohio. He m. 3 Oct. 1822 at JOSHUA WOOLSTON's house, Falls Twp., SARAH > YARDLEY, dau of THOMAS YARDLEY of Lower Makefield Twp., said Co., with ISAAC > HICKS, J. P., officiating. > ========================================================================== > 1830 United States Federal Census > Name: Amos Dnomondy > Township: Washington > County: Washington > State: Pennsylvania > HOUSEHOLD: > 2 males - 0-5 > 1 male - 5-10 > 1 male - 30-40 > 2 female - 5-10 > 2 female - 10-15 > 1 female - 40-40 > ====================================== > 1840 United States Federal Census > Name: Amos Denormadie > Township: South Strabane > County: Washington > State: Pennsylvania > HOUSEHOLD: > 1 male - 5-10 > 2 males 10-15 > 1 male - 20-30 > 1 male - 50-60 > 1 female - 0-5 > 1 female - 5-10 > 1 female - 15-20 > 1 female - 40-50 > ======================================= > 1850 United States Federal Census > Name: Henry Denormandie > Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 > Birth Place: Pennsylvania > Gender: Male > South Strabane, Washington, Pennsylvania > HOUSEHOLD: All b. PA > DENORMANDIE, ANTHONY age 27 occ: Livery v-$200 > DENORMANDIE, NANCY age 19 > DENORMANDIE, ELIZABETH age 1 > DENORMANDIE, AMOS age 60 occ: Carriage Maker v-$300 > DENORMANDIE, ELIZA age 28 > DENORMANDIE, WILLIAM age 22 occ: Carriage Maker > DENORMANDIE, JOHN age 21 occ: Harness Maker > DENORMANDIE, ONEY? (f) age 19 > DENORMANDIE, HENRY age 18 > DENORMANDIE, MARIA age 7 > ====================================== > 1860 United States Federal Census > Name: Amos Denormandy > Age: 70 Birth Year: abt 1790 > Birthplace: Pennsylvania > South Strabane, Washington, Pennsylvania > Gender: Male Post Office: Washington > HOUSEHOLD: > William Bollek age 60 occ: Gate Keeper b. PA v-$50 > Amos Denormandy age 70 occ: Coach Maker b. PA v-$50 > Elizabeth Denormandy age 30 b. VA > Amos Denormandy age 8 b. PA > ======================================== > AMOS12 DE NORMANDIE (JAMES11, ANTHONY10, JOHN ABRAHAM9, ANDRE8, MICHEL7, > JOSEPH6, JEAN5, LAURENT4, JEAN3, HILLAIRE2, GUILLAUME1) was born Abt. 1790 in > Pennsylvania. He married (1) UNKNOWN. He married (2) ELIZABETH. She was > born Abt. 1830 in Virginia. > > Children of AMOS DE NORMANDIE and UNKNOWN are: > i. ANTHONY13 DE NORMANDIE, b. Abt. 1823, Washington > County, Pennsylvania; m. NANCY. > ii. WILLIAM DE NORMANDIE, b. Abt. 1827, Washington > County, Pennsylvania; m. PHOEBE PLYMIRE; b. December 1829, Pennsylvania. > iii. JOHN DE NORMANDIE, b. Abt. 1829, Washington County, > Pennsylvania; m. MARGARET GRANT. > iv. HENRY DE NORMANDIE, b. May 1833, Washington County, > Pennsylvania; m. MAHALA PLYMIRE; b. March 1835, Pennsylvania. > > > Child of AMOS DE NORMANDIE and ELIZABETH is: > v. AMOS13 DE NORMANDIE, JR., b. Abt. 1852, Washington > County, Pennsylvania. > > > Thank you very much for offering this article to me. I really appreciate it! > > Best regards, > Jacki Russell > Jacqueline Sleeper Russell > website: > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 8:40 PM > >

In a message dated 1/24/2007 3:02:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: On Sunday, January 21, 2007, Jacqueline Sleeper Russell wrote: Would anyone have anything on AMOS STRICKLAND, his first wife, children, and second wife MARGARET THORNTON, and all ch. with her? Response: In The American Genealogist, Whole No. 59, Vol. XV, No. 3 (Jan. 1939), in an article entitled The Family of Joseph Thornton of Newport Pagnell, co. Buckingham, England, and of Newtown, Bucks Co., Pennsylvania, authored by John Insley Coddington, M.A., there is a brief discussion of the activities of Amos Strickland; of his first wife's family; and of the three children by his second wife, Margaret Thornton, including Elizabeth who married (first) Dr. James de Normandie of Bristol. Serious researchers will know John Insley Coddington as a meticulous genealogist along the lines of Jacobus. My photocopied article was obtained (for a fee) in 2003 from the Newtown Historic Association, by the kind auspices of one Heinz Heinemann. If you wish it, I could send you--or anyone else, for that matter--as an attachment the two pages of the article on which the information is given, if you contact me off-list. -- DK McLaren Researching THORNTON, TWINING, HAINES (with limited success on the Haineses--help me out, folks!) ================================= Hello DK MCLAREN, I am VERY new to Pennsylvania research. Most of my family came from New England, Massachusetts & New Hampshire. I would love to have the item you are offering. I just obtained 18 pages of NGSQ from the NATIONAL GENEALOGY SOCIETY, Arlington, VA, which included AMOS but only listed that he moved to Washington County, PA and that he was b. abt. 1790. I have been doing census research on him over there and joined the Washington County list which has been helpful. Here is what I have so far on AMOS. I am including his parent's listing. Check the census research below listing. His wife is missing from the 1850 census however by 1860 he appears to have found a much younger bride and has (if it is his) a son AMOS. ============================== NATIONAL GENEALOGY SOCIETY QUARTERLY Vol. 65. December 1977 Number 4. DE NORMANDIE FAMILY OF BRISTOL, BUCKS COUNTY, PA. Page 243. Page 250. & 251. 31. JAMES DE NORMANDIE, son of ANTHONY and MARY (HALL) DE NORMANDIE of Bristol and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania was baptized 18 December 1754, according to the register of ST. MARY's Church, Burlington, New Jersy. 11 He was listed as an apprentice to (DR.) JOHN DE NORMANDIE, among the 124 men not members of the Bristol Borough and Township Associated Company of Infantry in 1775. 45 His name appears among the single men in the tax lists of Middletown Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania, 1781-1785, and as DOCTOR JAMES DE NORMANDIE in 1786. By deed 12 February 1783 JAMES DE NORMANDIE of Attleborough, Middletown Township, practitioner in physic, and wife ELIZABETH STRICKLAND, daughter of AMOS STRICKLAND, late of Newtown in said county, Gentleman, conveyed real esate. 46 Administration upon the estate of JAMES DE NORMANDIE of Middletown Township, deceased intestate, was granted 19 December 1793 to his widow ELIZABETH DE NORMANDIE and MARK HAPENY. 47 The County Orphans Court, 22 April 1805, appointed JACOB KISLER, their step-father, guardian of JOHN A. and AMOS DE NORMANDIE, age over 14, and ABRAHAM CHAPMAN, ESQ., guardian of ANTHONY and JAMES DE NORMANDIE, age under 14, sons of ELIZABETH KISLER, late ELIZABETH DE NORMANDIE and her late husband JAMES DE NORMANDIE, the said children being entitled to some estate by the Will of their uncle AMOS STRICKLAND, JR., deceased. Marriage Certificate. I do herby Certify that JAMES DE NORMANDIE and ELIZABETH STRICKLAND were joined in Holy Matrimony by me in the presence of the Subscribing Witness my Hand this Sixth day of September in the year of our Lord one Thousand seven hundred and eighty seven. (signed) SAML. BENEZET. Witnesses. JOSEPH THORNTON, ELIZABETH THORNTON, CHRISTOPHER PETER, ISAIAH SHINN, JOSIAS FERGUSON, MARK HAPENY, MARGARET THORNTON, senr., JAMES M. RAGUET, WILLIAM JENKS, HENRY BLACHKY, RACHAEL HAPENY, HENRY WISINER, JOHN BALDWIN, IS. HICKS, WM. EWING, AMOS STICKLAND, THOMAS BILES, SAMUEL YARDLEY THORNTON, JOHN THORNTON, JAMES GRIER FERGUSON, SARAH PETER, MARY ROBERTS, CLARA DE NORMANDIE, MARY FERGUSON, MARGARET THORNTON, junr., SARAH THORNTON, ELIZTH. WILLET, JR., FRANCES STRICKLAND, MARGARET THRONTON, MARGARET KNOWLES. Recorded 7 Sept 1787. 48 The officiant SAMUEL BENEZET was a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas at Newtown, the Bucks County seat since 1784. The bride ELIZABETH STRICKLAND was the daughter of AMOS STRICKLAND and his second wife MARGARET THORNTON, whose marriage 27 January 1763 was reported to Middleton Monthly Meeting of Friends 3 February 1763. The will of AMOS STRICKLAND of Newtown, Bucks County, Gentlemen, dated 31 March 1799 and probated 24 December 1779, named my wife MARGARET, son AMOS, daughters RACHEL, ELIZABETH and FRANCES. The will of AMOS STRICKLAND, JR. of Fallsington, Bucks County, dated 15 May 1797 and probated 24 may 1797, named my nephews JOHN, AMOS ANTHONY, and JAMES DE NORMANDIE, sons of my sister ELIZABETH DE NORMANDIE. As widow of DR. JAMES DE NORMANDIE, she married JACOB KESLER, innkeeper and first Postmaster of Newtown, Bucks County, appointed in 1800. 49 JACOB KESLER was listed in the Federal census of Newtown 1810, but his estate is not found in the county probate records. CHILDREN OF JAMES and ELIZABETH (STRICKLAND) DE NORMANDIE. 38. i. JOHN ABRAHM 5 DE NORMANDIE, b. say 1788, m. 17 Mch. 1811 ELIZA P. ATKINSON, dau. of THOMAS ATKINSON of Trenton, N.J., the REV. JAMES F. ARMSTRONG, Pastor of the Presbyterian Ch. there, officating. 39. ii. AMOS DE NORMANDIE, b. say 1790, listed in Federal census of Washington Twp., Washington Co., Pa., 1830. 40. iii. ANTHONY DE NORMANDIE, b. say 1790, listed in census of Phoenixville, Chester Co., Pa., 1850. 41. iv. JAMES DE NORMANDIE, M.D., b. 14 Aug. 1793, PENNS Manor, Bucks Co., Pa.; listed in census of Falls Twp., that Co., 1830; d. 19 May 1866, Yellow Springs, Ohio. He m. 3 Oct. 1822 at JOSHUA WOOLSTON's house, Falls Twp., SARAH YARDLEY, dau of THOMAS YARDLEY of Lower Makefield Twp., said Co., with ISAAC HICKS, J. P., officiating. ========================================================================== 1830 United States Federal Census Name: Amos Dnomondy Township: Washington County: Washington State: Pennsylvania HOUSEHOLD: 2 males - 0-5 1 male - 5-10 1 male - 30-40 2 female - 5-10 2 female - 10-15 1 female - 40-40 ====================================== 1840 United States Federal Census Name: Amos Denormadie Township: South Strabane County: Washington State: Pennsylvania HOUSEHOLD: 1 male - 5-10 2 males 10-15 1 male - 20-30 1 male - 50-60 1 female - 0-5 1 female - 5-10 1 female - 15-20 1 female - 40-50 ======================================= 1850 United States Federal Census Name: Henry Denormandie Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Birth Place: Pennsylvania Gender: Male South Strabane, Washington, Pennsylvania HOUSEHOLD: All b. PA DENORMANDIE, ANTHONY age 27 occ: Livery v-$200 DENORMANDIE, NANCY age 19 DENORMANDIE, ELIZABETH age 1 DENORMANDIE, AMOS age 60 occ: Carriage Maker v-$300 DENORMANDIE, ELIZA age 28 DENORMANDIE, WILLIAM age 22 occ: Carriage Maker DENORMANDIE, JOHN age 21 occ: Harness Maker DENORMANDIE, ONEY? (f) age 19 DENORMANDIE, HENRY age 18 DENORMANDIE, MARIA age 7 ====================================== 1860 United States Federal Census Name: Amos Denormandy Age: 70 Birth Year: abt 1790 Birthplace: Pennsylvania South Strabane, Washington, Pennsylvania Gender: Male Post Office: Washington HOUSEHOLD: William Bollek age 60 occ: Gate Keeper b. PA v-$50 Amos Denormandy age 70 occ: Coach Maker b. PA v-$50 Elizabeth Denormandy age 30 b. VA Amos Denormandy age 8 b. PA ======================================== AMOS12 DE NORMANDIE (JAMES11, ANTHONY10, JOHN ABRAHAM9, ANDRE8, MICHEL7, JOSEPH6, JEAN5, LAURENT4, JEAN3, HILLAIRE2, GUILLAUME1) was born Abt. 1790 in Pennsylvania. He married (1) UNKNOWN. He married (2) ELIZABETH. She was born Abt. 1830 in Virginia. Children of AMOS DE NORMANDIE and UNKNOWN are: i. ANTHONY13 DE NORMANDIE, b. Abt. 1823, Washington County, Pennsylvania; m. NANCY. ii. WILLIAM DE NORMANDIE, b. Abt. 1827, Washington County, Pennsylvania; m. PHOEBE PLYMIRE; b. December 1829, Pennsylvania. iii. JOHN DE NORMANDIE, b. Abt. 1829, Washington County, Pennsylvania; m. MARGARET GRANT. iv. HENRY DE NORMANDIE, b. May 1833, Washington County, Pennsylvania; m. MAHALA PLYMIRE; b. March 1835, Pennsylvania. Child of AMOS DE NORMANDIE and ELIZABETH is: v. AMOS13 DE NORMANDIE, JR., b. Abt. 1852, Washington County, Pennsylvania. Thank you very much for offering this article to me. I really appreciate it! Best regards, Jacki Russell Jacqueline Sleeper Russell website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=jacquelinesr

On Sunday, January 21, 2007, Jacqueline Sleeper Russell wrote: Would anyone have anything on AMOS STRICKLAND, his first wife, children, and second wife MARGARET THORNTON, and all ch. with her? Response: In The American Genealogist, Whole No. 59, Vol. XV, No. 3 (Jan. 1939), in an article entitled The Family of Joseph Thornton of Newport Pagnell, co. Buckingham, England, and of Newtown, Bucks Co., Pennsylvania, authored by John Insley Coddington, M.A., there is a brief discussion of the activities of Amos Strickland; of his first wife's family; and of the three children by his second wife, Margaret Thornton, including Elizabeth who married (first) Dr. James de Normandie of Bristol. Serious researchers will know John Insley Coddington as a meticulous genealogist along the lines of Jacobus. My photocopied article was obtained (for a fee) in 2003 from the Newtown Historic Association, by the kind auspices of one Heinz Heinemann. If you wish it, I could send you--or anyone else, for that matter--as an attachment the two pages of the article on which the information is given, if you contact me off-list. -- DK McLaren Researching THORNTON, TWINING, HAINES (with limited success on the Haineses--help me out, folks!) --------------------------------- Make free worldwide PC-to-PC calls. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger with Voice

If you couldn't then no one could quote sources and books at any time, such as is commonly done in literature everywhere; the source is credited and the entire book/article is not printed. Not quoting is plagarism, as Martin Luther King found out. dave

This information might help clear things up. The information on genealogy copyright can be found at: http://www.pddoc.com/copyright/genealogy_copyright_fundamentals.htm Tidbits regarding genealogy copyright from this site are: If an original work of authorship was created after 1977, it's copyrighted and it's going to be for a very long time. The earliest that any work created after that will lose its copyright will be about 2049 - that's assuming that the author died right after he authored the work. If it was created before 1923, there is no copyright on it any more, so long as it was published. If it wasn't published, it may still be protected by copyright. Works published before March 1, 1989 without proper copyright notice are almost always in the public domain because, under the law that existed before that, a proper copyright notice was required for copyright protection. Works published from 1923 to 1963 had to be renewed after an initial copyright term for protection to continue. The U.S. Copyright Office estimates that over 90% of works eligible for renewal were never renewed. Only original expression protected All that's protected under copyright is the author's original expression. The protected material must have been independently created by the author with at least some minimal amount of creativity. Anything in a work that isn't the author's original expression isn't protected by his copyright. Facts can't be original expression No one can claim originality in a fact. At best, a person may discover a fact. If he discovers it and documents it, he has not created it. He has only reported it. There is no originality In other words, if you list "Harry Whosit" as the name and October 21, 2008 as the date of his birth they are facts and aren't subject to copyright. If you state that "Harry Whosit" was or is an opinionated, insufferable, pompous horse beater, and this information isn't in print anywhere that is your original expression. And if "Whosit" is still alive you better be able to support the allegations! ;o) Judy

Hi Maggie, Thank you for the kind offer! Charles Weikel, b. October 18, 1803 in Bucks County. He had a sister Louisa. I am looking for parents of these two, or any Weikel's in Bucks County. Pamela Wetherill Wright Bucks County, PA. Researching Surnames: Ashcraft / Ashcroft, Ashfield/Aschwelt, Biles, Bullock, Canby, Goldstone, Hauf / Hanf, Hewlings/Huelings, Hiles, Hornby, Hunt, Kelty/Kielty, Levering, Macknet / Mackinet, Makela, Marshall, Morris, Nori, Ogborne, Robinson, Rose, Shoemaker, Stucke, Thorn(e), Wambold / Wampole, Weikel, Wetherill, Williamson, Wilson, Wisham, Wright.

Hank, Do you know what part of Germany your ancestors emigrated from? One of my 2g gms on my mother's side is Elizabeth Stuebing. I think but can't prove that she came from Essen or Hessia. Al Lenkner Pittsburgh At 11:28 AM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >I have both the book of Bucks County Births 1682-1800 and >the CD that covers southeastern PA. > >Hank Stuebing

Hi Pami, 1/24/07 Thought I had lost you. Responded to your letter some time ago, but never heard from you. As I sent you, I have a George Weikel b. circa 1815 in Bucks . Married Mary Caroline Kuntz, born circa 1816 somewhere in Penna. Will attempt to send you via attachment my Weikel page that is on Family Tree Maker located in my Docs. Am not familar with all the "tidbits" of a computer so don't know if this will work. My ggrandfather is Wm. Weikel and have lots of info down from him --all the way thru my ggrandchildren. Have a benjiman Weikel that I would like to find out about. My Mother had a picture of Mrs. "B" in her scrapbook, but wasn't into family history when she was a alive so know nothing about her. Also have pictures of Geo and Caroline, and others in the "up" family. Hope this is of some help and maybe we and others can help each other. Sincerely, Doug --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.

In the strict sense of copyright facts cannot be copyright protected. Entire works can however be copyrighted so that no one can, as someone suggested, make an exact copy of the Humphrey book and publish it elsewhere. It is risky for a lookup person to publish the answers to queries on a public, permanently archived list. Authors do search for mention of their works and even if a lawsuit wasn't able to support itself in court it wouldn't necessarily stop an author from filing a suit, claiming the overall of their copyright is damaged by publishing in a public forum so much of it as to make it no longer valid (for purchase). Any legal action, even if it is ruled in your favor, can be very expensive, time consuming and stressful. Copyright is meant to encourage authors to continue to publish, whether original or resource factual information. If we want people to continue to publish resource material (and they really do not make much money at all) then we need to be considerate of the work that goes into creating compilations of genealogical facts by not putting all their work online for anyone to view for years to come. People will stop writing and researching genealogy books if they get absolutely nothing back from it. Offline private answers to queries from this book are the best way to go so that Maggie is not put in an awkward position and so that the author and others like him continue to provide this resource material for us. Kathi Jones-Hudson MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/maryland/maryland.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

Linda, "It also tells a lot about other family lines." The jackass that was being stabled also explains a lot of the families I know. Al At 06:19 AM 1/24/2007, you wrote: >Have you checked with a lawyer to see if it is legal to pass on >genealogy information that you have read in a recently published book? > > My church published a book and in it it says Jesus was the son of > God. His mother was Mary and tells pretty much where he was born. > Dare I make this information public? or is it an infringement of > "copy write laws". I won't scan the line,but I sure would like to > pass the information on to anyone that was interested. It also > tells a lot about other family lines. > > > > the rosemom

Does anyone have any information on this man? Thanks Linda Huff Muessig

Ken; I will get it in the mail this afternoon. Hope it is of help to you. Marion

ha ha ha ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Musgrave" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Bucks Co. PA, Birth Book,great resource for Bucks Co. website! > Have you checked with a lawyer to see if it is legal to pass on genealogy > information that you have read in a recently published book? > > My church published a book and in it it says Jesus was the son of God. > His mother was Mary and tells pretty much where he was born. Dare I make > this information public? or is it an infringement of "copy write laws". I > won't scan the line,but I sure would like to pass the information on to > anyone that was interested. It also tells a lot about other family lines. > > > > the rosemom > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have both the book of Bucks County Births 1682-1800 and the CD that covers southeastern PA. A note of CAUTION; when I compared the book entries to the original records, I found 17% were in error for a relatively small sample. Most errors were in the dates and only a few with the first names. I found that the family names always appeared in the records that the book referenced; thus, the book and CD serve as a good index to the original records but the specific details always have to checked in the original records. Interestingly, the exact same errors appeared in the book by Watring & Wright (Vol 2, Bucks Church Records of the 17th & 18th Centuries), an amazing coincidence. I personally told John Humphrey about my observations but he didn't seem interested. Hank Stuebing

Hank, when I checked records in the court house and family bible against Davis, I also found a few errors. I guess that is why they have erasers on pencils. No matter what you hear or see, I guess it pays to double check. Linda --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Maggie Kistner- Is the surname "Suber" and/or "Hause" mentioned? M. Paul Hawes North Carolina I receive more than enough e-mail. Please do not send jokes, virus warnings, or chain letters. At 05:02 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:50:47 -0800 (PST) >From: Maggie <[email protected]> >Subject: [PABUCKS] Book: Pennsylvania Births Bucks County 1682-1800 >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hello all, >I just bought this terrific book that was published in 1993 by John >T Humphrey. It has 100's of surnames. It lists the infant, their >date of birth or baptism date, and their parents names. Some of the >Mother's have the maiden name as well. This book was compiled from >22 different church records. If there are any names you would like >me to look up in the book, be it a few individuals, or all for >specific surnames, just let me know....either through the pabucks >list, or you can email me direct at [email protected] > >Maggie Kistner

I am interested in any information about the parents and siblings of John B. BARCALOW (1809-1883). His parents were possibly Garrett BARCALOW (abt 1781 - ?) and Eleanor HOGELAND (abt 1782 - ?) Also the parents and siblings of Martha Ann WHITE (1804-1891). Her parents were John WHITE (abt 1780 - ?) and Martha MITCHELL (abt 1780 - ?). I have verified a Bucks County relationship. Thank you. Claralu - FL

http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.genealogy.com%2Fgenealogy%2F14_cpyrt.html Everyone should read the article at the above link. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Musgrave" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [PABUCKS] Bucks Co. PA, Birth Book,great resource for Bucks Co. website! > Have you checked with a lawyer to see if it is legal to pass on genealogy > information that you have read in a recently published book? > > My church published a book and in it it says Jesus was the son of God. > His mother was Mary and tells pretty much where he was born. Dare I make > this information public? or is it an infringement of "copy write laws". I > won't scan the line,but I sure would like to pass the information on to > anyone that was interested. It also tells a lot about other family lines. > > > > the rosemom > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you checked with a lawyer to see if it is legal to pass on genealogy information that you have read in a recently published book? My church published a book and in it it says Jesus was the son of God. His mother was Mary and tells pretty much where he was born. Dare I make this information public? or is it an infringement of "copy write laws". I won't scan the line,but I sure would like to pass the information on to anyone that was interested. It also tells a lot about other family lines. the rosemom --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.

In a message dated 1/23/2007 12:52:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello all, I just bought this terrific book that was published in 1993 by John T. Humphrey. It has 100's of surnames. It lists the infant, their date of birth or baptism date, and their parent's names. Some of the Mother's have the maiden name as well. This book was compiled from 22 different church records. If there are any names you would like me to look up in the book, be it a few individuals, or all for specific surnames, just let me know....either through the pabucks list, or you can email me direct at [email protected] Maggie Kistner I am looking for the parents and siblings of George Wagner, spelled several ways, born 17 Oct 1769, most likely somewhere in Bucks County as he spent his lifetime in Tinicum Township. Thanks in advance for any information that you can share. Scott Wagner