When I posted the url to the new PA site, now under so much scrutiny, I had not even looked at the site and certainly I would never compare anywhere else to Joyce's site. I have been doing genealogy on the internet for more than ten years and I have never found a place-specific site to compare. In her attitude, talents and sacrifice of time and money she is in a league of her own. I agree about Cyndi's list as being the best of its type as well. I was just trying to share something that had been sent to me via a newsletter. I know that Joyce does not like praise etc. via "the list" but I wanted to straighten out the mess I started. :) Charmaine Riley Holley arkivemom@aol.com http://rileyholley.rootsweb.com rootsweb donor "May you ask the right question of the right person at the right time. "