For many of you that may be wondering about the recent "roll call" and Joyce Tice's request that it stop for now - - be aware that this unauthorized roll call was started by Roland Elliott, a mail list subscriber, who has been banished - - more than once, and perhaps finally from the list, - - for his inappropriate behavior and postings over the years. I don't know Roland, have never met him, and in fact, when asked a year or so ago if he should be allowed back on the list, I voted for putting him BACK on the list. At that time, I felt that most of his inappropriate postings were (1) either amusing, or (2) that I wasn't thin-skinned enough to let them bother me and it was easy to use my delete key. However, I now realize how much havoc this causes for Joyce in terms of (1) confusion for the rest of the subscribers, and (2) having to deal with emails from other folks who object to his postings. So, Roland has once again been removed from the list and I would not vote for his ! return in the future - - solely because he adds to Joyce's workload - - and that is not acceptable. Sorry, Roland - - you've been given more chances than my mother ever gave me to straighten up and fly right - - and she was pretty generous. It also bears repeating at this time - - Joyce's site is a gift to all of us - - a huge, huge gift - - and absolutely free! Have you yet to find another site that offers the depth and quantity of information she has managed to pull together over the years? In that sense, we are all welcome to make tactful suggestions, constructive comments, and reasonable requests to and of Joyce - - but we do not have the right to criticize her decisions or the way she manages the site or the mail list. You do have the right to unsubscribe from the list - - or not to use the site. I know that Joyce agonizes over trying to please everyone - - and tries to make the site and the list what the majority of the folks want it to be. You'd have to " walk a mile in her shoes" for at least a month or two to even begin to know what's involved in the work that she does. But we all know we can't please all of the people all of the time - - it's not gonna happen. Joyce, and Joyce only, calls for and announces the surname blitzes on a quarterly basis - - there are reasons for this - - which you can read about if you search the archives. (And Roland, I'm sure, was FULLY aware of this.) I know, I know - -- it's not like that on every list - - but every list owner has the right to make the rules and manage their list as they see fit. We can't possibly know all the why's and wherefore's that go into making these decisions - - and I don't personally need to know all of them. All I need to do is look at Joyce's site and know that there must be a very generous, committed, and knowledgeable individual behind it - - and that person must certainly be making decisions in the best interest of the site and list. I'll get off my soapbox now. I wish all of you much success and pleasure in your family research ! Sue Perry Ann Arbor, MI