Fellow Listers: Our ancestors survived very tough times. In history, and on the highways we must often deal with what happens ahead of us. In Texas, New Mexico & Colorado there are huge Agri-business feeding lots. Some feed up to 100,000 cattle at a time. These are connected to the beef factories by large cattle trucks. These two popular bumper stickers are often displayed on the rear gates for those who must follow them on the highways: "if you can read this YOU ARE TOO CLOSE!" and... " _ _ IT HAPPENS ! " My family research has revealed that two generations of ancestors were dedicated teachers, healers, and missionaries who endured great hardship & risk trying to merge the Indians into the inevitable westward Pennsylvania expansion. Events beyond their control forced the third generation to fight in several of the Indian Wars. Can I condemn them for killing Indians and surviving?? What will our great grand children say about us, and some of the waste & ruins we leave them? The best they can do is back off and be careful. It has already happened. We weren't smart enough to make it different. DeGinder - Texas ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "Ray W. Justus" <rwjustus@uswest.net> Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] american indians Date: 07/18/2000 09:28pm So what can we do about changing what happened now? I seriously doubt that what happened over the last three or four hundred years was planned in advance.