Hello Genealogy friends, I am in the process of trying to decide whether to subscribe to Genealogy.com or Ancestry.com Could anyone tell me which is the best from their own perspective? Thanks so much! Carol Harris Granbury, Texas

Hello Listers Hoping some one can help me. I have had some very good assistance for my SURGANTY search. My last correspondent found a marriage registration for William Surganty in New Jersey - however she can only do lookups for this state. His mother's name was listed as Hortence T. LAYER - however, I feel LAYER is not a particularly German name - perhaps FAYER; SAYER; BAYER;MAYER? William's siblings are: 1) My great grandmother Sophie SURGANTY m Henry ANDERS in Elmira, Chemung County NY on 10th Oct 1870 at Grace Episcopal Church - she was born in 1855 in Elmira, NY 2) Frederick Charles SURGANTY m Jessie C (no surname) - possibly New York or Illinois - he was born in December 1860 in Elmira NY 3) George SURGANTY m Susana A SMITH c 1885 - Possibly New York - he was born October 1864 in Elmira NY Hoping you can help regards Chris Anders-Tritt Sydney Australia -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Chubenko [SMTP:famhist@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:19 AM To: anderstritt@ihug.com.au Subject: SURGANTY Marriage State of New Jersey Marriage Return William J. SURGANTY Main St, Rahway 23 yrs, first marriage Barber; born in US F: Joseph J. SURGANTY, born in Hungary M. Hortense T. LAYER, born in Germany Emily Augusta BOULTON, born in US Main St., Rahway 19 yrs, first marriage F: Alfred A. BOULTON, born in England M: Margaret E. MADDESS, born in US Married: 12 May 1879, Rahway Witnesses: Frederick SURGANTY, Elmira, NY & Alfred A. BOULTON, Rahway, NJ Minister: Wm. Rollinson SOURCE: Surganty-Boulton marriage [1879], Rahway, Union County, Certificate #S14, New Jersey State Archives, Trenton, New Jersey. -- Michelle Tucker Chubenko Professional Genealogist http://mywebpages.comcast.net/famhist/michprogen.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ukraine WorldGenWeb Country Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrwgw/index.html NJGenWeb: Genealogical Calendar of Events http://mywebpages.comcast.net/famhist/calendar.htm OKGenWeb County Coordinator: Adair Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okadair/adaircty.htm USGenWeb Archives - Oklahoma: Adair Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/adair/adair.html Michelle's Home Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mchub/shell.htm

Listers I apologise for sending my researcher's information - was unintended but may be it can be of help for someone Chris Sydney Australia

Hello Listers Hoping some one can help me. I have had some very good assistance for my SURGANTY search. My last correspondent found a marriage registration for William Surganty in New Jersey - however she can only do lookups for this state. His mother's name was listed as Hortence T. LAYER - however, I feel LAYER is not a particularly German name - perhaps FAYER; SAYER; BAYER;MAYER? William's siblings are: 1) My great grandmother Sophie SURGANTY m Henry ANDERS in Elmira, Chemung County NY on 10th Oct 1870 at Grace Episcopal Church - she was born in 1855 in Elmira, NY 2) Frederick Charles SURGANTY m Jessie C (no surname) - possibly New York or Illinois - he was born in December 1860 in Elmira NY 3) George SURGANTY m Susana A SMITH c 1885 - Possibly New York - he was born October 1864 in Elmira NY Hoping you can help regards Chris Anders-Tritt Sydney Australia -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Chubenko [SMTP:famhist@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:19 AM To: anderstritt@ihug.com.au Subject: SURGANTY Marriage State of New Jersey Marriage Return William J. SURGANTY Main St, Rahway 23 yrs, first marriage Barber; born in US F: Joseph J. SURGANTY, born in Hungary M. Hortense T. LAYER, born in Germany Emily Augusta BOULTON, born in US Main St., Rahway 19 yrs, first marriage F: Alfred A. BOULTON, born in England M: Margaret E. MADDESS, born in US Married: 12 May 1879, Rahway Witnesses: Frederick SURGANTY, Elmira, NY & Alfred A. BOULTON, Rahway, NJ Minister: Wm. Rollinson SOURCE: Surganty-Boulton marriage [1879], Rahway, Union County, Certificate #S14, New Jersey State Archives, Trenton, New Jersey. -- Michelle Tucker Chubenko Professional Genealogist http://mywebpages.comcast.net/famhist/michprogen.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ukraine WorldGenWeb Country Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrwgw/index.html NJGenWeb: Genealogical Calendar of Events http://mywebpages.comcast.net/famhist/calendar.htm OKGenWeb County Coordinator: Adair Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okadair/adaircty.htm USGenWeb Archives - Oklahoma: Adair Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/adair/adair.html Michelle's Home Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mchub/shell.htm

The listing of Bradford County cemeteries is now online at http://www.bradfordhistory.com/Research/Cemeteries.asp J. Kelsey Jones

I have conflicting reports of my husband's ancestor Andrew (Andres) Budd. He was born in Germany. This is what I found: Came to America in 1784; build the first house (log) at Tioga Point (now Athens, PA); left the country in 1795; was in the German Army. Another report: The family followed up Sullivan's expedition doing service for the army. They were taken sick and died at Tioga Point, and are said to be buried at the junction of the Chemung and Susquehanna. The ship "Favorite" with Captain Nicholaus Valaus saided from Hamburg, arrived Philadelphia 5 September 1785, family name BOTT, Andreas, Anna Maria, Mary, Barbara, Casper, Anna Catherine and John (born 4 July 1778 in Fulda, Hessen, Germany). John married Mary (Polly) Bosworth who was descended from the Pilgrim fathers. About 1810, they left Chemung and migrated to Ohio. Are there any Budds or Botts still left in the Tri-County area? Ruth Lothers

Thanks Judy. I'd found that piece. And Asa CRANDALL was actually the grandfather of F (for Fred) W. His father was Charles M. and his mother Susan KRESS, a cousin of mine. I'd really like to know when the toy factory closed, whether it was bought out or went bankrupt. Probably about 1910, because that is when the sons turned to other businesses. There may even be some pictures somewhere? Charles CRANDALL invented the mid-1880's equivalent of the Rubik Cube. A puzzle called Pigs in Clover. It apparently was a huge fad in 1889 and 1890. The firm was also well known for it's Crandall's Building Blocks, apparently a precursor of Lincoln Logs. Just sounds like an interesting addition to the family tree! And I'd like to know more. Karyl Hubbard karylh@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

Hello, Does anyone have a listing of the burials in Campbell Cemetery in Litchfield, Bradford Co.? I understand that my g.g.g.grandmother, Asenath Ives Davidson is buried there. I have a picture of her broken monument (vandalized), however, it isn't the best picture because the stone is in several pieces, plus it is nearly a 150 years old. I wonder if there are other family members buried in this same cemetery. I would appreciate any information. Thank you, Marilyn Powers Descendant of Towner and Gore

I found this on the Internet and I know Joyce has some listing for the place on her website in one of the township directories--I believe for 1908. I hope this helps: The Elkland Manufacturing Company, manufacturers of toys and novelties, was established in Elkland in January, 1887. F. W. Crandall, the superintendent, is the son of Asa Crandall, known as the maker of Crandall’s building blocks and who ran a furniture factory in Covington in 1840. Mr. Crandall was in the same business in Montrose, Pennsylvania, where his large factory burned August 27, 1886, involving a loss of ,000. His present plant is located in the old chair factory building. From sixty to seventy-five men are constantly employed, the annual output amounting to ,000. Toys and novelties are shipped to all parts of the world Please NOTE: the ,000 were part of the actual piece. The township Tax Assessor or town clerk should be able to tell you if the property went off the tax rolls and when that happened, or if the property (business) was bought out by another consortium. Judy Neu Springwater, NY

Can anyone tell me when the Elkland Manufacturing Company went out of business? It was a successor to Charles Crandall's toy manufacturing company in Montrose, PA, which was destroyed by fire about 1886. I believe it was opened in 1887 and was still in operation as late as 1910. I'd love to know more about the factory and the building. Thanks! Karyl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

Hi, Everybody, Several years ago I asked the Tioga Historical Society to do some research for me in several towns. At the time the Deerfield tax records were missing. I am wondering whether anyone now knows their whereabouts or knows where I might get access to them on microfilm. I am still researching my SEELYE (SEELEY) ancestors in the first half of the nineteenth century. In particular, I am looking for the name of wife of Isaiah SEELYE (b. 1777 Litchfield Cty, CT; d. aft. 1850 Tioga Cty, PA). Isaiah's children were: George Richmond SEELYE (b. 1804; d. 1879), Mary Ann SEELYE Shaw (1809; d. 1896), and Lent D. SEELYE (b. 1814; d. 1882). Thanks for any leads you might be able to provide. Sincerely, John Bauer in Mendham, NJ

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Thank you Detta. Yes, I just learned from someone else that there had been a PBS Special on it. I didn't see the special. but had run across the books. ----- Original Message ----- From: detta301<mailto:detta301@starpower.net> To: Patricia Otis<mailto:otis_p@msn.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Tri-Counties] Orphan Train Pat, There was even a PBS special on the Orphan train Detta Harding Detta301@starpower.net<mailto:Detta301@starpower.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Otis" <otis_p@msn.com<mailto:otis_p@msn.com>> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: Fw: [Tri-Counties] Orphan Train > This seems to be true. There are books out there on this subject. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: patstone<mailto:cstone01@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cstone01@rochester.rr.com>> > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:33 AM > Subject: [Tri-Counties] Orphan Train > > > Good morning, List, > > There is an interesting article in our newspaper this morning about an > Orphan Train. I had never heard of it before, so maybe some of you haven't > either. But could be the break in someone's brick wall! This particular > newspaper article was about a brother & 3 sisters who were from Friendship, > Allegany Co., NY. Their father was killed in a car accident and their > mother became ill. Neighbors tried to take care of them and eventually they > went to a Baptist minister. Eventually they were taken to an orphanage in > NYC and then, in 1929, to the Orphan Train. The family's last name was > Henderson. > > It says that between 1853 and 1929, passenger trains carried up to 300,000 > children away from big-city orphanages to rural areas all across the > country. Small groups of children would get off the train at various > locations to be inspected by local Christian families willing to take a > child home. "Children would often stage impromptu performances to make > themselves more attractive." It is estimated that nearly 33,000 orphan > trains may have run through upstate New York. Minister, Charles Loring > Brace, founded the Children's Aid Society, with the goal to rescue poor, > homeless children who were wandering the streets of NYC and to place them > with Christian families living in the country. It seems that children went > to CT, Delaware, D.C., Maryland, Mass., NJ, NH, RI, VT, Canada, & Indian > Territory. Of course, Indian Territory became states eventually. > Genealogists & historians are working on this story. A website is given for > more information: http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/index.htm<http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/index<http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/index.htm<http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/index>. htm> or > www.orphantrainriders.com<http://www.orphantrainriders.com/<http://www.orphantrainriders.com<http://www.orphantrainriders.com/>> or www.orleanscountygenealogicalsociety.org/<http://www.orleanscountygenealogic<http://www.orleanscountygenealogicalsociety.org/<http://www.orleanscountygenealogic> alsociety.org/> . > > Pat Rowe Stone, Rochester, NY > > > > ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== > Please post all surname listings and surname or family queries on the Query section of Tri-Counties site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmt<http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmt> index.htm> > > > > ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== > Please post all surname listings and surname or family queries on the Query section of Tri-Counties site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm> >

This seems to be true. There are books out there on this subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: patstone<mailto:cstone01@rochester.rr.com> To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: [Tri-Counties] Orphan Train Good morning, List, There is an interesting article in our newspaper this morning about an Orphan Train. I had never heard of it before, so maybe some of you haven't either. But could be the break in someone's brick wall! This particular newspaper article was about a brother & 3 sisters who were from Friendship, Allegany Co., NY. Their father was killed in a car accident and their mother became ill. Neighbors tried to take care of them and eventually they went to a Baptist minister. Eventually they were taken to an orphanage in NYC and then, in 1929, to the Orphan Train. The family's last name was Henderson. It says that between 1853 and 1929, passenger trains carried up to 300,000 children away from big-city orphanages to rural areas all across the country. Small groups of children would get off the train at various locations to be inspected by local Christian families willing to take a child home. "Children would often stage impromptu performances to make themselves more attractive." It is estimated that nearly 33,000 orphan trains may have run through upstate New York. Minister, Charles Loring Brace, founded the Children's Aid Society, with the goal to rescue poor, homeless children who were wandering the streets of NYC and to place them with Christian families living in the country. It seems that children went to CT, Delaware, D.C., Maryland, Mass., NJ, NH, RI, VT, Canada, & Indian Territory. Of course, Indian Territory became states eventually. Genealogists & historians are working on this story. A website is given for more information: http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/index.htm<http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/index.htm> or www.orphantrainriders.com<http://www.orphantrainriders.com/> or www.orleanscountygenealogicalsociety.org/<http://www.orleanscountygenealogicalsociety.org/> . Pat Rowe Stone, Rochester, NY ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== Please post all surname listings and surname or family queries on the Query section of Tri-Counties site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm>

Good morning, List, There is an interesting article in our newspaper this morning about an Orphan Train. I had never heard of it before, so maybe some of you haven't either. But could be the break in someone's brick wall! This particular newspaper article was about a brother & 3 sisters who were from Friendship, Allegany Co., NY. Their father was killed in a car accident and their mother became ill. Neighbors tried to take care of them and eventually they went to a Baptist minister. Eventually they were taken to an orphanage in NYC and then, in 1929, to the Orphan Train. The family's last name was Henderson. It says that between 1853 and 1929, passenger trains carried up to 300,000 children away from big-city orphanages to rural areas all across the country. Small groups of children would get off the train at various locations to be inspected by local Christian families willing to take a child home. "Children would often stage impromptu performances to make themselves more attractive." It is estimated that nearly 33,000 orphan trains may have run through upstate New York. Minister, Charles Loring Brace, founded the Children's Aid Society, with the goal to rescue poor, homeless children who were wandering the streets of NYC and to place them with Christian families living in the country. It seems that children went to CT, Delaware, D.C., Maryland, Mass., NJ, NH, RI, VT, Canada, & Indian Territory. Of course, Indian Territory became states eventually. Genealogists & historians are working on this story. A website is given for more information: http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/index.htm or www.orphantrainriders.com or www.orleanscountygenealogicalsociety.org/ . Pat Rowe Stone, Rochester, NY

Searching for Harold Valentine Class Born 2/14/1904 M Eunice D Thayer. Died 1965 PA I believe that he is buried in Tioga CO She was my Natural Mother. He adopted my brother and I. There is a Harold Class Listed as the stepson of Hohn & Oel louijoye in the 1910 census for Tioga Co.I am not sure if this is the right one. I am Disabled and live on a fixed income so there is none leftover for expensive genealogy programs. I really appreciate rootsweb and the many many volunteers that keep it going. Thank You for any help Chuck email classddl@frontiernet.net

Hi, My neighbor is a widow and doesn't leave the house much but mentioned to me that she is curious about her ancestors and since I have been researching mine I thought I would reach out and get some info for her. Her father was D. Preston PHILLIPS and D. Preston's father was Berdell Phillips of Bradford. Her mother was Hazel B. WARBURTON and Hazel's father was H. Calvin Warburton of Bradford. I have researched the census but was looking for more local information. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Wendy

If your friend need proof of a marriage, she should no where she got married and where she applied for the license. The key to finding a copy of the marriage license in PA if not where the marriage took place but where the couple applied for the license. In PA you can apply any county for an license and use it any where in the state. For instance, I had a daughter married in Tioga County, PA but could not find her license application. I ask her about it and they got it in Pike county because they were living in Orange county, NY and he was working in that County. So if I wanted a copy of the application, I have to go there. If she know the exact date, you might want to check the local papers for it. that for sure would give you the place of the ceremony but not where they applied for their license. Marilyn Bess ----- Original Message ----- From: <MrDodger@aol.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: [Tri-Counties] 1961 marriage proof > I am looking for proof of a 1961 marriage. My friend was living in Elmira > and they went over the state line to get married. Their original certificate of > marriage is lost and she needs proof for Social Security benefits. > > I figure it was either Bradford or Tioga County where the wedding took place. > > The family has checked at both counties but come up with nothing. Is there > something we are missing? Does sks have any tips for getting records of a > marriage of two New Yorkers in an unknown Pennsylvania town by a justice of the > peace in 1961? > > Please help! > > Lisa Fox > upstate NY > > > ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Tri-Counties site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004

I am looking for proof of a 1961 marriage. My friend was living in Elmira and they went over the state line to get married. Their original certificate of marriage is lost and she needs proof for Social Security benefits. I figure it was either Bradford or Tioga County where the wedding took place. The family has checked at both counties but come up with nothing. Is there something we are missing? Does sks have any tips for getting records of a marriage of two New Yorkers in an unknown Pennsylvania town by a justice of the peace in 1961? Please help! Lisa Fox upstate NY

Wonderful article! Kudos, as always, to Joyce and all of her gang ! Sue Perry Ann Arbor, Michigan