Please do not destroy this valued site by few people expressing opinions of their "personal Feelings". Bob Prevette 9822 Firestone Lane Macedonia, Oh. 44056 Residence Phone 330-468-4518 Work 330-908-1250 Fax 330-908-1251 Cell 330-608-4665

Hi John, Your suggestion is not a new one and it is not even a matter that is very important to me one way or the other. The restriction on queries for the mail list is for the purpose of preventing redundancy in resources. Both the Tri-Counties site and other entities as well have query systems. To use a mail list for the same purpose as a redundant resource seems inefficient to me. When the issue was discussed some years ago, the majority agreed with that position. If the mail list is used for that purpose, its effectiveness as a communications resource will be reduced because of the overload that will be created. I no longer use the mail list myself as a communication resource, preferring instead my What's New page where I post all information I need to pass on to those who use my site. That way those who are interested can look and those who are not don't have that overload in their mail boxes. That is the same principal behind the site's query section as an alternative to a mailbox overload. You are correct that the mail list is handled differently than other Rootsweb mail lists. The site also is considerably in advance of most other county/regional level sites, or so I am told regularly. That is because I do things a little differently than others and it is considered successful by many. To meet the needs of both types of users, those who do and those who do not want the mail list used for queries, I developed the quarterly surname blitz which worked well for a long time. The last time I used that I was met with hostility from those who wanted to spell cemetery any old way. I know it sounds silly, but that is the way it was. For the continuance of the site, my ability to continue to motivate myself is a required element. Hostility undermines my ability to remain committed to this public gift, and I chose not to expose myself to that hostility again. That remains the same now. I do not expend the personal resources I do to be met with annoyances. It is entirely up to all of you how you use the mail list. Do as you will but I do not want my time taken resolving the issue among those who have different wishes or expectations for it. I will not comment on it again and leave it to all of you to take it back to the way other mail lists are used or continue with the pattern I have developed of using the query system. It is not a matter of will or control, but of what the majority of you want, and that may have changed since we resolved the issue at an earlier time. I have no position on the subject. There are 900 of you and one of me and I do not have the resources to resolve your differences on how the mail list should be used. you may work it out among yourselves. Joyce M. Tice > Subj: [Tri-Counties] Query suggestion???? > Date: 10/23/2004 12:46:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: pastor@jblair77.fsnet.co.uk (John Blair) > To: one way or the other > > > > > Joyce, > > I'd like to make a suggestion, not sure if it would be agreeable with > you, but here's my thoughts. Over the years, I've watched the > conversations and frustrations about using the list for queries. One of the > big problems here, is ALL the other lists, that's what they're primarily > used for! for QUERIES! If I were to start a Rootsweb list, that models > all the other Rootsweb lists, then that would hopefully put a stop to > misuse of your list. I for one, and I believe others, would probably > belong to both lists. Of course, Rootsweb would have to give permission > first. It's not that people don't appreciate your work, it's just that > they're not at all used to a Rootsweb list being used in the way that you > have set up, and you have to admit, it does not model the other lists. I > would love to post queries about different families, and I've spent much > time on the Tri-Counties website, and many times, there is just too much > to wade through, everytime I research my MAY surname, I might as well give > up, since one of the months of the year is exactly the same. To think that > others outside of yourself and those that run your website are not helpful > is a mistake, as I and many other paid Ancestry subscribers, help people > all the time! I responded and gave the SHAW query info on the WW Draft > for the person she was researching. What about me starting a query list? > or is that taking power and control from yourself.? I would probably only > do a Bradford query list.

This list and the Tri-Counties website are both for sharing. Sharing by definition is giving. If it is truly a gift, it is unconditional. I think it is a tragic mistake to publicly rebuke people for "misusing" the list because they do not check the website out first. The vast majority of list members having only a passing interest in genealogy. However, they are often the very ones with new, unpublished information. Those lost links we have been researching for an eternity frequently arrive being carried by one of these unknowledgeable but well-meaning creatures we call novices. Please let's not discourage these people bearing gifts from the outside just because they are unfamiliar with the lists and websites. Rather, let's encourage them by telling them where they might find answers without so much fanfare. If we do this they may decide to stay and become givers as well. I have been on this list more than five years and have never felt the need to unsubscribe because there are too many queries that don't interest me. Ray Justus Chandler, Arizona

Hi Ellen, Don't take it as a scolding. There are, believe it or not, people on the mail lists who don't even know the site exists and I use these opportunities to educate people on what is available. How they find the mail list and not the site is a mystery to me, but it is not uncommon. There are 900 people on the mail list and the site's What's New page gets about 150 hits a day - I can't break it down to unique hits on a weekly basis, so I can't say how many check it regularly. There are people on the mail list who pay no attention to the extensive resources on the site. If you feel scolded, I apologize. But it is disturbing when we see people referred to for pay sites for materials we have or are trying to get to the site. My own focus is on library building and on encouraging guests to help build the site to be ever better and more complete (as if such a thing as complete were possible.) Again I apologize publicly for making you feel scolded. Actually there are articles from the Troy papers in the site's WW1 section explaining what groups of men were subject to the draft at various times. It is more than just names, it is the representation of a time, place and culture and Ancestry will never develop that kind of connection to our people. That's what sets the local sites apart. Humbly, Joyce M. Tice

Hi Pauline, If you enter the site at its main page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm and go straight to the What's New page for the month you can see what is new for the month as well as navigate to all 80 township pages on the right bar and all subject areas on the left bar. I can't make it easier than that. It is well indexed already and the search engine fills in any gaps. If you attempt to use the site in a way that differs from its design, you will indeed encounter difficulty because of its mass. I believe the How to Use the Site page, which links from all others, explains that. When people who are new to the site experience navigational difficulties, I can well understand it. It is necessary to take time to familiarize oneself with the site's structure and content. It is however, painful, when long time guests go to a for pay site first and refer others there for materials we have made available. I don't want my volunteers to ask if they are wasting their time, nor do I want to ask that of myself. Joyce M. Tice > Subj: Re: [Tri-Counties] WWI draft > Date: 10/23/2004 11:14:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: wilcoxgeneal@comcast.net > To: County3@aol.com > > I have just read your responses to Judy, Ellen and Gwen. Sometimes I find it > difficult to find what I'm looking for in Tri-Counties. I found your > responses on the sarcastic side. How about and index as to what is available. That > might make it easier for people to help themselves instead of bothering > others. I think we all appreciate the time, work and expense that goes into your > site and we thank you for it. > > Pauline Wilcox > >

Joyce, I don't understand why you are scolding me for this. I did search the site extensively before posting to the list. And my man was not there. Moreover, back in Nov. 2003, I never expected that a 37 year old man would have been drafted for WWI. I am assuming that others would have the same belief. I was attempting to inform others because we do not all have time to find and read the 1 particular page in over 12,000 at your site every time we have a question. When I do a search for "Wolfe" or "Wolf," I get nearly 2500 hits, which I cannot narrow too much more with "David." Yes, there were other ways to search, but they were proving futile as well. I have been at this for five years and I learn something new all the time. As a teacher, I encourage students that no questions are "bad questions." Please don't be so hard on people for asking them. I visit your site several times a day and I appreciate all the information that is there and the time that you and the volunteers have given. I also support the site with a financial donation each year and submit new information as well. I view the list as a forum that should be encouraged rather than discouraged in use. I'm sorry that you do not agree. ElllenBugs ----- Original Message ----- From: <County3@aol.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [Tri-Counties] WW I draft and Wolfe brothers > Hi Ellen et al. Tri-Counties site has EXTENSIVE information on World War 1 > Draft regulations as well as lists of draft registrants. By all means check the > site before posting questions. November 2003 was devoted exclusively to > developing a World War One library and materials have been added since as well. It > is an entire section of the site. Don't overlook this massive library in your > research. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm > Joyce M. Tice > > > Subj: [Tri-Counties] WW I draft and Wolfe brothers > > Date: 10/18/2004 7:35:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time > > From: ellen.bugs@cox.net (E. Bugs) > > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > I've heard that all males in the U.S. - citizens and aliens - who were born > > between 13 Sep 1872 and 12 Sep 1900 (only exception: those already in active > > duty service) were REQUIRED to fill in draft registration cards. If this is > > the case, I could possibly find out more about my great grandfather, David > > B. Wolfe, b. August 4, 1880 in Lebanon Co., PA, d. December 06, 1942 in Elmira > > or his brother, William B. Wolfe, b. April 22, 1882 Lebanon Co., PA d. > > December 12,1962 Elmira. > > > > Does anyone know where these draft registrations might be located?? I > > CANNOT find the parents of these Wolfe brothers! > > > > Thanks, > > EllenBugs > > > > > > > ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== > Tri-Counties Site includes nearly 700 Cemetery Listings available from the township pages and from the Cemetery Index at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm >

Hi Gwen. The ENTIRE Book you are after is on the site. Please check the site before posting to the mail list. We have given you in excess 12,000 pages at no charge to you. We work VERY HARD to give you this incredible resource. It also costs us a lot of our own money. It is hurtful to see our work and our gift and expense ignored. I genuinely hope that none of the typists who spent so much time getting that ready for me to put on the site see your note. Joyce M. Tice http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm > Subj: [TiogaPA] Tioga County History > Date: 10/16/2004 6:09:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: aliferis@cox.net (Aliferis) > To: PATIOGA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Does anyone have the book of the "History of Tioga County PA." Volume II, by > R.C. Brown & Co. 1897? > I am looking for the information on pages 780-788. If anyone has the book, I > would appreciate a copy of these pages. Let me know if you have access to > the information. Send me an e-mail and I will contact you and we can figure out > how to send the pages and how much it will cost. > I have not seen the book, I am assuming it is a book or periodical. > Thanks in advance. > Gwen > >

Hi Judy et. al., Tri-Counties site is a FREE resource (That means I pay for it - not you) giving you massive resources. You do not need to pay for Ancestry.com to use the resources my helpers and I give you. Too many of the free resources we have made available to you are overlooked on Tri-Counties Genealogy & History by Joyce M. Tice. All Bradford County registrants are on the site and Chemung is in process. Take advantage of us - we make it easy. Ignore us and we'll go away and let you pay someone else to do what we give you. http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm > Subj: [Tri-Counties] WWI draft > Date: 10/19/2004 10:55:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: ebrhouston@pdq.net (Judy stromsted) > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:ebrhouston@pdq.net">ebrhouston@pdq.net</A> (Judy stromsted) > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > I do not have a subscription to Ancestry.com. > > Could some kind person look up the SHAW surname in Elmira, Chemung Co., NY. > I believe my great-uncle, Alan, was in WWI, but I have no clarification. > > Thank you, > Judy Stromsted > ebrhouston@pdq.net >

Hi Ellen et al. Tri-Counties site has EXTENSIVE information on World War 1 Draft regulations as well as lists of draft registrants. By all means check the site before posting questions. November 2003 was devoted exclusively to developing a World War One library and materials have been added since as well. It is an entire section of the site. Don't overlook this massive library in your research. http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm Joyce M. Tice > Subj: [Tri-Counties] WW I draft and Wolfe brothers > Date: 10/18/2004 7:35:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: ellen.bugs@cox.net (E. Bugs) > To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > I've heard that all males in the U.S. - citizens and aliens - who were born > between 13 Sep 1872 and 12 Sep 1900 (only exception: those already in active > duty service) were REQUIRED to fill in draft registration cards. If this is > the case, I could possibly find out more about my great grandfather, David > B. Wolfe, b. August 4, 1880 in Lebanon Co., PA, d. December 06, 1942 in Elmira > or his brother, William B. Wolfe, b. April 22, 1882 Lebanon Co., PA d. > December 12,1962 Elmira. > > Does anyone know where these draft registrations might be located?? I > CANNOT find the parents of these Wolfe brothers! > > Thanks, > EllenBugs >

I've got Charles Campbell on my tree/in my database. Actually, I have 3 Charles Campbells: 1. Charles Campbell, b. abt. 1850, location unknown; d. Watkins, NY; m. Sarah M. Baldwin; 3 children - Mildred, Charles, and Katherine. 2. Charles Campbell, son of #1 above, b. abt. 1875 [have not done additional research on this line] 3. Charles E. Campbell, Jr., d. 1945, buried Maple Grove Cemetery in Horseheads, relationship to my line unclear but is buried in Maple Grove Cemetery along with my Campbells [specifically, Henrietta Campbell Barlow, wife of William Barlow, b. 1819, d. 1905. Any of this sound familiar to you or anyone else out there?

I am looking for a Charles Campbell... according to obits he was alive in May 1972 when his great-grandson, Lloyd Collin Campbell died of a car accident, but he had died by May 1982 when his son Collin Otis Campbell died. I was wondering is there anyone in the area that would be willing to look up these 3 Charles Campbell's for me...I will compensate for time and cost of copying and sending... CHARLES R CAMPBELL 22 Apr 1928 12 Apr 1998 (V) 14901 (Elmira, Chemung, NY) (none specified) 061-20-4621 New York CHARLES CAMPBELL 27 Sep 1896 Feb 1969 14845 (Horseheads, Chemung, NY) (none specified) 125-14-9092 New York CHARLES R CAMPBELL 01 Oct 1923 12 Feb 2003 (V) 14902 (Elmira, Chemung, NY) (none specified) 129-16-4086 New York The older one could be the man I am looking for and either one of the younger ones could be his son cuz he did have a son Charles, along with sons, Ward, Vincent, LeClair and Collin Otis. Thanks for any help Becky Hakes

I really appreciate all the people who responded to my request for finding my great-uncle, Alan Shaw, in the WWI draft registration cards. I received some very helpful information. Judy Stromsted

I do not have a subscription to Ancestry.com. Could some kind person look up the SHAW surname in Elmira, Chemung Co., NY. I believe my great-uncle, Alan, was in WWI, but I have no clarification. Thank you, Judy Stromsted ebrhouston@pdq.net

All this found on Ancestry.com: David B. Wolfe. 1930 Census PA (Year: 1930; Census Place: Elmira, Chemung, New York; Roll: 1415; Page: ; Enumeration District: 30; Image: 193.0.) has a Wolfe, David B and wife Sabrina, with two stepsons, Hough and Wilbur Hough 1900 PA (Year: 1900; Census Place: Swatara, Lebanon, Pennsylvania; Roll: T623 1428; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 144.) has a Wolf David B. servant 19 yr old. WWI Draft Card. front Registration Card. (hand written is 2066 in upper right corner) David Wolfe, #17 Leh......, Lebanon, LebCo PA, age 31, Birth dates 4 Aug 1880, race white, can't read a couple answers with Yes. I think it is Wife Fannie Mary Wolf With same address. Rear. gives vital info weight height hair color, also date of registration was Sept 12. 1918 David was listed as living with his brother William in the (1920 Census NY Chemung, Elmira ED #37.) William B. Wolfe: Wife: Kathryn, Niece: F..b.y, 16 year David Brother 1900 Census (Year: 1900; Census Place: Wawarsing, Ulster, New York; Roll: T623 1171; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 145.) Not sure if related as parents born in Germany HH John B Wolfe, wife William B Wolf age 17 years, relation to head of house, son, 1910 Census. 1910 Census NY Chemung 8-wd Elmira District 29 William B Wolfe, wife Catherine. Hope this helps. Bobbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Bugs" <ellen.bugs@cox.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: [Tri-Counties] WW I draft and Wolfe brothers > I've heard that all males in the U.S. - citizens and aliens - who were > born between 13 Sep 1872 and 12 Sep 1900 (only exception: those already in > active duty service) were REQUIRED to fill in draft registration cards. > If this is the case, I could possibly find out more about my great > grandfather, David B. Wolfe, b. August 4, 1880 in Lebanon Co., PA, d. > December 06, 1942 in Elmira or his brother, William B. Wolfe, b. April 22, > 1882 Lebanon Co., PA d. December 12,1962 Elmira. > > Does anyone know where these draft registrations might be located?? I > CANNOT find the parents of these Wolfe brothers! > > Thanks, > EllenBugs > > > ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== > Your family and historical materials are needed to make the Tri-Counties > site grow at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm > >

In the 1900 census, both David and William were outside of their parent's household David B. Wolf b. Aug 1880, 19, born PA, parents born PA, farm laborer in Swatara, Lebanon County William B. Wolfe, b. Apr 1882, 18, born PA, parents born PA, farm laborer in Fredericksburg, Lebanon County David just missed being enumerated in the 1800 census by a few months. There are many Wolf/Wolfe households in Lebanon County in 1880. J. Kelsey Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Bugs" <ellen.bugs@cox.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: [Tri-Counties] WW I draft and Wolfe brothers > I've heard that all males in the U.S. - citizens and aliens - who were born between 13 Sep 1872 and 12 Sep 1900 (only exception: those already in active duty service) were REQUIRED to fill in draft registration cards. If this is the case, I could possibly find out more about my great grandfather, David B. Wolfe, b. August 4, 1880 in Lebanon Co., PA, d. December 06, 1942 in Elmira or his brother, William B. Wolfe, b. April 22, 1882 Lebanon Co., PA d. December 12,1962 Elmira. > > Does anyone know where these draft registrations might be located?? I CANNOT find the parents of these Wolfe brothers! > > Thanks, > EllenBugs > > > ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== > Your family and historical materials are needed to make the Tri-Counties site grow at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm > > >

Hi Ellen His draft record is on Ancestry.com. His address is #17 Lehman St. Lebonan PA. It is a faded document. Says he was a cleck at Smith and Priefer in Lebonan PA. Frances Mary is also named I cannot tell if it is his wife or not. I believe is says he is short and has brown eyes and dark hair. I did not find William. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: E. Bugs [mailto:ellen.bugs@cox.net] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:35 PM To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Tri-Counties] WW I draft and Wolfe brothers I've heard that all males in the U.S. - citizens and aliens - who were born between 13 Sep 1872 and 12 Sep 1900 (only exception: those already in active duty service) were REQUIRED to fill in draft registration cards. If this is the case, I could possibly find out more about my great grandfather, David B. Wolfe, b. August 4, 1880 in Lebanon Co., PA, d. December 06, 1942 in Elmira or his brother, William B. Wolfe, b. April 22, 1882 Lebanon Co., PA d. December 12,1962 Elmira. Does anyone know where these draft registrations might be located?? I CANNOT find the parents of these Wolfe brothers! Thanks, EllenBugs ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== Your family and historical materials are needed to make the Tri-Counties site grow at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm

I've heard that all males in the U.S. - citizens and aliens - who were born between 13 Sep 1872 and 12 Sep 1900 (only exception: those already in active duty service) were REQUIRED to fill in draft registration cards. If this is the case, I could possibly find out more about my great grandfather, David B. Wolfe, b. August 4, 1880 in Lebanon Co., PA, d. December 06, 1942 in Elmira or his brother, William B. Wolfe, b. April 22, 1882 Lebanon Co., PA d. December 12,1962 Elmira. Does anyone know where these draft registrations might be located?? I CANNOT find the parents of these Wolfe brothers! Thanks, EllenBugs

Ancestry.com has the following new category: World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 I was able to find my grandfather Richard Floyd MANNING'S draft registration card on there - he was born in 1888 and he lived in Alpine NY at the time - his registration was from Schuyler Co. NY - It did not name his parents but did say he had one dependent child. If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com I could do a lookup for you - Regards, Gwen MECUM Hunt Searching every nook and cranny for the following surnames: Baker, Brink, Cody, Hayden, Jones, Knowles, Lloyd, Manning, Mecum, Skinner, Swartout, Smith, Wilson My personal websites: http://www.americanserviceco.com/genealogy.html http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mecum1 My Rootsweb site: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=mecum1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Bugs" <ellen.bugs@cox.net> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: [Tri-Counties] WW I draft and Wolfe brothers > I've heard that all males in the U.S. - citizens and aliens - who were > born between 13 Sep 1872 and 12 Sep 1900 (only exception: those already in > active duty service) were REQUIRED to fill in draft registration cards. > If this is the case, I could possibly find out more about my great > grandfather, David B. Wolfe, b. August 4, 1880 in Lebanon Co., PA, d. > December 06, 1942 in Elmira or his brother, William B. Wolfe, b. April 22, > 1882 Lebanon Co., PA d. December 12,1962 Elmira. > > Does anyone know where these draft registrations might be located?? I > CANNOT find the parents of these Wolfe brothers! > > Thanks, > EllenBugs > > > ==== PABRADFO Mailing List ==== > Your family and historical materials are needed to make the Tri-Counties > site grow at http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm > >

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Hello I'm new to the list. I was reading some Information for the war of 1812 on the Tri-County site::: for a Samuel Sample (Below) Where can I find this documentation ??????? Patriotism: War of 1812.- Samuel Sample; Civil war.- Furnished one hundred two soldiers, of whom three were killed in battle, three died in rebel prisons and eight of disease; World War.- Judge H. B. Smith of the New York Supreme Court and J. Sloat Fassett, state senator, congressman, etc., from New York spent their boyhood days in South Creek. Mrs.L.Reilly OH