HI Patsy, Your description only says "he" and "a man." Does this mean that women could not be naturalized citizens? We know that for national elections and most state elections women could not vote. But what were their citizenship rights, if any? On the Tioga County alien records that Kelly typed up for the site, there are only males. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A>

<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Response</A> to question about bidding on Ebay historical documents. - Hi Jodi, You may well pay through the nose. Prices get very inflated. I buy the antique postcards of my three counties. I collect them, but primarily buy them to use on the site. I get very offended when people who are using them just for their own personal collections, which they do not share with the public as I do - or worse to resell them at inflated prices, outbid me. Yes, I consider my cause above theirs, I confess it. I can only hope that none of these people are guests at my site or list or that if they are, they will share those postcards (scanned images) with me. (I have received one scan of a card a guest purchased on Ebay, so the sharing thing is not common) I have bid on wills of people in the area of my Sullivan-Rutland Genealogy Project for historical preservation and have been outbid by people whose motives are very different from mine. I have stopped bidding for now. I think it is inflating the price of materials with valuable historical contributions. Joyce M. Tice <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-County Genealogy Site of Joyce M. Tice</A>

What about marriage and the service?R ----- Original Message ----- From: "patsy pifer" <patsy@penn.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 19 07 PM Subject: Fw: [PABRADFO] Citizenship Residency Requirements > Decided I should reply to the list in case anyone else wanted to know. Hope it helps > someone. > > Ken, > > In 1850 it would be as follows: > At least 2 years before before he could be admitted to citizenship a man must file > his "first papers" or declaration of intention. Then after being a resident for at > least 5 years he could then present himself to a court again for naturalization. > This didn't not have to be the same court as the filing of intent. These were his > "final papers" > Hope this helps. > Patsy patsy@penn.com > Researcher for Potter and Tioga Counties in PA > http://www.webspawner.com/users/genealogygame > > > >Is anyone familiar with the residency requirements for U. S. citizenship in > >the 1850's? ( i.e. the number of years which a person had to be a resident of > >the country, the state, the county)????? > > > >Ken Sullivan > >Canyon Lake, Ca > > > > > >

Decided I should reply to the list in case anyone else wanted to know. Hope it helps someone. Ken, In 1850 it would be as follows: At least 2 years before before he could be admitted to citizenship a man must file his "first papers" or declaration of intention. Then after being a resident for at least 5 years he could then present himself to a court again for naturalization. This didn't not have to be the same court as the filing of intent. These were his "final papers" Hope this helps. Patsy patsy@penn.com Researcher for Potter and Tioga Counties in PA http://www.webspawner.com/users/genealogygame >Is anyone familiar with the residency requirements for U. S. citizenship in >the 1850's? ( i.e. the number of years which a person had to be a resident of >the country, the state, the county)????? > >Ken Sullivan >Canyon Lake, Ca > >

A little more about the National Archives. The main building where someone mentioned 19 floors in an 8 story building has two basic parts. The public part towards that Mall which has been and is being upgraded. The back part of the building which has antique record keeping is about to undergo major restoration. Keep in mind too that the backup or annex facility in the MD suburbs of Washington is a modern facilty.. Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cole Goodwin" <cole_goodwin@hotmail.com> To: <PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [PABRADFO] National Archives experience (Online NARA images and documents) > Dear Laura, > > You have eloquently described both the blessings and the trials of using the > National Archives. Some staff are very conscientious and appear to work > there for noble reasons, others less so. They do appear bound by procedures > and technologies which are somewhat dated. Yet, inspite of these > shortcomings, the National Archives holds many of the dearest treasures our > nation--and of our family associations. > > One thing researchers who are interested in using the National Archives > should do before going is to visit their excellent web site. This can be > reached from the following URL: > > The National Archives > http://www.nara.gov > > Perhaps one of the best initiatives of the National Archives is its posting > of indexes and digitized images onto its website and the developing of an > intelligent agent to search them. The online service is known as the > National Archives Information Locator, or NAIL. You can reach it from the > following URL: > > National Archives Information Locator > http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html > > From this point, you should click either the "Search for Archival Holdings" > button or the "Search for Microfilm HOldings" button. > > Here is an example how the online NARA service works: > > If you will use the "Search for Archival Holdings" link, then select, > "Standard Search," and then put the search term "Towanda" in the blank > field, NAIL will provide you with six hits. One of them is for a If you > will click on that, you will find a photograph entitled, "German War Crimes > Trials. Nuernberg & Dachau". If you will click on that, you will be brought > to a page with a photograph of PFC Joseph L. Pichierre, of Towanda, Penn., > with the 18th Regt., 1st Inf. Div. Germany. 11/24/45 guarding Nazi war > criminal Rudolph Hess. > > If you would like, you can even obtain a higher resolution copy of this > photograph of PFC Pichierre. > > All of this is provided to save researchers the time and expense of > travelling to Washington, D.C. to obtain the photographs and documents they > so dearly want. > > To date, about 125,000 photographs and documents have been put online and it > is the National Archives ultimate objective to eventually put all online, as > funding allows. > > I hope all of you will avail yourselves of this excellent online resource > after checking the Tri-Counties site for the surnames and information you > seek. > > Sincerely, > > Cole Goodwin > Washington, D.C. > > > > >From: LWA101@aol.com > >To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [PABRADFO] National Archives experience > >Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:35:17 EDT > > > >Since folks may be planning to visit National Archives in D.C. this > >summer,I > >thought I'd share my experience. First, the folks are nice and our > >Archives > >are truly a national treasure.There are at least 19 floors and zillions of > >records. You have to respect the staff's ability to ferret out one man's or > >woman's records from so many and show it to you. > > > >Secondly, the staff have in many cases inherited poor procedures and things > >are in a kind of gridlock. Plan to spend way longer than you thought > >looking > >for records. > > > >Third, even though Archives is open on Saturdays, ARCHIVES DOES NOT PULL > >ANY > >RECORDS ON SATURDAYS. On Saturdays, you can use the Research Room's > >microfilm > >readers for indexes, census, etc. But if what you're hunting isn't on > >microfilm--it can't be pulled on Saturdays. And if you cna't make out the > >microfilm, the original documents can't be pulled on Saturdays. You can put > >in request on Saturdays;they'll pull the records the next Monday. > > > >If you are looking for Civil War Pennsylvania Union Soldiers files, these > >are > >NOT on microfilm, and you can't see them on Saturdays. You have to turn in > >the request in person, so you have to go on a weekday, or have a friend go. > > > >I had called ahead and had been assured I could request and view these > >records on Saturday, so I drove 5 1/2-hours one way only to have shrugged > >shoulders and to be told "you should have called ahead." > > > >Just because a National Archives employee on the phone says you can see > >records doesn't mean it's true. Suggestion: if you plan to visit Archives, > >call the Research Room during the week, request to speak to a Research Room > >supervisor, tell her/him exactly what you're trying to learn, and ask on > >which days the information can be pulled and on which days you can view it. > > > >Bottom line: If you can't go to NARA on a weekday, you may not be able to > >see > >the files you want. > > > >Also, the Research Room will hold pulled files for three days. If they get > >sent back, it could be UP TO TWO MONTHS BEFORE THEY ARE REFILED. > > > >How about those mail-in Form 80s? The chief of that section called me > >today. > >She has a staff of 15 handling 12,000 requests a week. She has just worked > >everyone two weeks of intense overtime, and they're down to a six-week > >turnaround (they are currently working April requests). > > > >They can't check status on any Form 80s because their computer system is > >being migrated. This has been the situation for several weeks. > > > >By the way, if you're planning to go to Archives in person, don't send a > >mail-in Form 80 request. If the file gets pulled by the mail-in group, the > >Research Room group won't be able to find it. > > > >Hope this helps some of you avoid the disappointment I've found. > > > >Cole, I know you can add some advice to this for summer travelers. > > > >Happy hunting, y'all. Cheers, Laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >

Is anyone familiar with the residency requirements for U. S. citizenship in the 1850's? ( i.e. the number of years which a person had to be a resident of the country, the state, the county)????? Ken Sullivan Canyon Lake, Ca

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Dear Laura, You have eloquently described both the blessings and the trials of using the National Archives. Some staff are very conscientious and appear to work there for noble reasons, others less so. They do appear bound by procedures and technologies which are somewhat dated. Yet, inspite of these shortcomings, the National Archives holds many of the dearest treasures our nation--and of our family associations. One thing researchers who are interested in using the National Archives should do before going is to visit their excellent web site. This can be reached from the following URL: The National Archives http://www.nara.gov Perhaps one of the best initiatives of the National Archives is its posting of indexes and digitized images onto its website and the developing of an intelligent agent to search them. The online service is known as the National Archives Information Locator, or NAIL. You can reach it from the following URL: National Archives Information Locator http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html >From this point, you should click either the "Search for Archival Holdings" button or the "Search for Microfilm HOldings" button. Here is an example how the online NARA service works: If you will use the "Search for Archival Holdings" link, then select, "Standard Search," and then put the search term "Towanda" in the blank field, NAIL will provide you with six hits. One of them is for a If you will click on that, you will find a photograph entitled, "German War Crimes Trials. Nuernberg & Dachau". If you will click on that, you will be brought to a page with a photograph of PFC Joseph L. Pichierre, of Towanda, Penn., with the 18th Regt., 1st Inf. Div. Germany. 11/24/45 guarding Nazi war criminal Rudolph Hess. If you would like, you can even obtain a higher resolution copy of this photograph of PFC Pichierre. All of this is provided to save researchers the time and expense of travelling to Washington, D.C. to obtain the photographs and documents they so dearly want. To date, about 125,000 photographs and documents have been put online and it is the National Archives ultimate objective to eventually put all online, as funding allows. I hope all of you will avail yourselves of this excellent online resource after checking the Tri-Counties site for the surnames and information you seek. Sincerely, Cole Goodwin Washington, D.C. >From: LWA101@aol.com >To: PABRADFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PABRADFO] National Archives experience >Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:35:17 EDT > >Since folks may be planning to visit National Archives in D.C. this >summer,I >thought I'd share my experience. First, the folks are nice and our >Archives >are truly a national treasure.There are at least 19 floors and zillions of >records. You have to respect the staff's ability to ferret out one man's or >woman's records from so many and show it to you. > >Secondly, the staff have in many cases inherited poor procedures and things >are in a kind of gridlock. Plan to spend way longer than you thought >looking >for records. > >Third, even though Archives is open on Saturdays, ARCHIVES DOES NOT PULL >ANY >RECORDS ON SATURDAYS. On Saturdays, you can use the Research Room's >microfilm >readers for indexes, census, etc. But if what you're hunting isn't on >microfilm--it can't be pulled on Saturdays. And if you cna't make out the >microfilm, the original documents can't be pulled on Saturdays. You can put >in request on Saturdays;they'll pull the records the next Monday. > >If you are looking for Civil War Pennsylvania Union Soldiers files, these >are >NOT on microfilm, and you can't see them on Saturdays. You have to turn in >the request in person, so you have to go on a weekday, or have a friend go. > >I had called ahead and had been assured I could request and view these >records on Saturday, so I drove 5 1/2-hours one way only to have shrugged >shoulders and to be told "you should have called ahead." > >Just because a National Archives employee on the phone says you can see >records doesn't mean it's true. Suggestion: if you plan to visit Archives, >call the Research Room during the week, request to speak to a Research Room >supervisor, tell her/him exactly what you're trying to learn, and ask on >which days the information can be pulled and on which days you can view it. > >Bottom line: If you can't go to NARA on a weekday, you may not be able to >see >the files you want. > >Also, the Research Room will hold pulled files for three days. If they get >sent back, it could be UP TO TWO MONTHS BEFORE THEY ARE REFILED. > >How about those mail-in Form 80s? The chief of that section called me >today. >She has a staff of 15 handling 12,000 requests a week. She has just worked >everyone two weeks of intense overtime, and they're down to a six-week >turnaround (they are currently working April requests). > >They can't check status on any Form 80s because their computer system is >being migrated. This has been the situation for several weeks. > >By the way, if you're planning to go to Archives in person, don't send a >mail-in Form 80 request. If the file gets pulled by the mail-in group, the >Research Room group won't be able to find it. > >Hope this helps some of you avoid the disappointment I've found. > >Cole, I know you can add some advice to this for summer travelers. > >Happy hunting, y'all. Cheers, Laura > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Since folks may be planning to visit National Archives in D.C. this summer,I thought I'd share my experience. First, the folks are nice and our Archives are truly a national treasure.There are at least 19 floors and zillions of records. You have to respect the staff's ability to ferret out one man's or woman's records from so many and show it to you. Secondly, the staff have in many cases inherited poor procedures and things are in a kind of gridlock. Plan to spend way longer than you thought looking for records. Third, even though Archives is open on Saturdays, ARCHIVES DOES NOT PULL ANY RECORDS ON SATURDAYS. On Saturdays, you can use the Research Room's microfilm readers for indexes, census, etc. But if what you're hunting isn't on microfilm--it can't be pulled on Saturdays. And if you cna't make out the microfilm, the original documents can't be pulled on Saturdays. You can put in request on Saturdays;they'll pull the records the next Monday. If you are looking for Civil War Pennsylvania Union Soldiers files, these are NOT on microfilm, and you can't see them on Saturdays. You have to turn in the request in person, so you have to go on a weekday, or have a friend go. I had called ahead and had been assured I could request and view these records on Saturday, so I drove 5 1/2-hours one way only to have shrugged shoulders and to be told "you should have called ahead." Just because a National Archives employee on the phone says you can see records doesn't mean it's true. Suggestion: if you plan to visit Archives, call the Research Room during the week, request to speak to a Research Room supervisor, tell her/him exactly what you're trying to learn, and ask on which days the information can be pulled and on which days you can view it. Bottom line: If you can't go to NARA on a weekday, you may not be able to see the files you want. Also, the Research Room will hold pulled files for three days. If they get sent back, it could be UP TO TWO MONTHS BEFORE THEY ARE REFILED. How about those mail-in Form 80s? The chief of that section called me today. She has a staff of 15 handling 12,000 requests a week. She has just worked everyone two weeks of intense overtime, and they're down to a six-week turnaround (they are currently working April requests). They can't check status on any Form 80s because their computer system is being migrated. This has been the situation for several weeks. By the way, if you're planning to go to Archives in person, don't send a mail-in Form 80 request. If the file gets pulled by the mail-in group, the Research Room group won't be able to find it. Hope this helps some of you avoid the disappointment I've found. Cole, I know you can add some advice to this for summer travelers. Happy hunting, y'all. Cheers, Laura

"Aaron Shaw, who lived near Flemingville, and who attempted to murder his wife, and afterward shot himself in the head, died early Tuesday morning. It is thought his wife will recover. This last act of his in the terrible drama, has saved Tioga county a large bill on costs. January 9, 1886 " page 80 tri county clippings Everyone should definitely read these "clippings". I must confess that this is one of the few resources I have neglected. These put so much meat on the bones of genealogy. Thanks Joyce for steering us to these again. Charmaine Riley Holley arkivemom@aol.com rootsweb sponsor "May you ask the right question of the right person at the right time."

PLEASE REMOVE my name from the Email list at this time. I will be in contact at another time and Email address. Your work is very helpful. Many thanks Margaret B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PABRADFO-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PABRADFO-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:13 PM Subject: PABRADFO-D Digest V00 #192

Hello, I just started reading the Powell cemeterey and am having a wonderful time. I was wondering if anyone had any tips for the hard to read stones. This is my first try at this an of course I picked the older side of the cemetery to start at.... I would also like to take this time to commend whoever is in charge of taking care of this cemetery it looked beautiful and no stones were laying on the ground someone had already tried to put some back together or keep them close by to each other.

Has anyone ever gotten genealogy merchandise from Ebay? I am interested in hearing from anyone who has tips for a first timer. You can reply to me privately. Thank you. Jodi Roper Researching: Cummings, Barber, Garrison, Lefler, Fellows, Kehler/Keller, Freeman, Stull ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi, Sorry to post this to the whole list, but I have lost Lynn's e-mail address, and need to contact her. Pat Raymond

Hi All, I have uploaded two cemeteries, both of which have been on the site for some time, but for which there are significant additions. Tom Dewey of the Catlin Hollow Cemetery Association sent in up to the minute updates of that cemetery in Charleston Township. I really wish the other Cemetery Associations of our area would take a similar approach. It is good for them and good for us. Kelsey Jones sent in additions to the Rosstown or Christian Hollow Cemetery of Southport that I have added to the bottom of that page for which we have a Boyd listing. I feel so fortunate to have such a committed group of helpers who share my objectives and motivation in developing this site. Some of them are working as hard at this at times as I do. I can't say what it is that keeps us going but it must be our intense interest in the history of our area and the wish to preserve as much of it as we can. In any case, I am very grateful for all who help me and can't thank them enough. You can check out the "expanded" listings from the appropriate township pages of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A>

Regarding, customs of the times, etc. of obituaries that Joyce mentioned... The thing that I have noticed is that when the female survivors are listed they are listed as Mrs. Somebody .... "survived by children, Mrs. Robert Gleckner of Canton; Sisters, Mrs. Henry Watrous and Mrs. John Kiljard of Gaines." ...Leaving us to wonder and guess as to who the women really are!!??? (I still haven't figured out exactly who Mrs. Henry Watrous and Mrs. John Kiljard are from this obit.) But you are right, obituary notices are wonderful and are a very important piece of our grand research puzzle. JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR :-) -------------------------- >I so enjoy obits. They really are a wonderful window to a time and place and >community. They reveal the customs, beliefs, biases, inter-relationships and >institutions of the area. It is like going to a place and visiting it when >you go through a scrapbook. Scrapbooks are the BEST. > >Have fun, Joyce M. Tice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujarvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Williams NY/PA Proud to be a Contributing Sponsor of RootsWeb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Joyce- Thank you for the correction and update on the Old Frenchtown Cemetery. Hopefully we will be able to see a Before, After and after After photo online soon. I was heartbroken when I saw the photos, but am even more determined to finish my photos of some small and lost cemeteries (here in Baker County, OR) this next one to 2 years. I have finished one neglected cemetery in a farmyard and have gotten information from local loggers where to find some of the more obscure ones. Logging and mining in this state have been extremely destructive, but time and Mother Nature have covered some most of the worst of it. ( It's amazing what a forest fire can due for an area after about 10 years! ) You have opened my eyes to the desparate need to: 1) Record the stones and their locations 2) Make that material available to the public 3) Not jump to conclusions THANKS TO YOU, JOYCE (AND DICK) Peggie in Baker City, OR

For Cole Goodwin: I just tried the URL you gave for vital records and got a "404" error message. A search for "Vital Records for the United States" turned up this URL: http://www.vitalrec.com/ Darned literal minded computers!! Carlton Wheeler

Three more pages of Scrapbook Clippings are now on the site. Pages 112, 113, 114 are from a Troy Area scrapbook which covers a very large area around Troy. Be sure to read the story of the little fox in the tale about mid-nineteenth century mischief in Troy. This has always been my favorite Troy story. You can get to the Obits and Clippings from Box 8A of the Online Research Library of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">Tri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> Joyce M. Tice

Hi All, I have uploaded two more pages of obits, Pages 110 and 111 to the Obit/Clipping pages of <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/jmtindex.htm">T ri-Counties Genealogy & History Sites of Joyce M. Tice</A> You can get to them from Box 8A of the Online Research Library. As mentioned before, for those of you who will not give yourself the pleasure of wading through them, they will be available from the Search Engine of the Front Page of the site when that is indexed again, and I have no idea when that will be. You will have to use the patioga section of the search engine as all the obit files are loaded into that one of my four accounts. I so enjoy obits. They really are a wonderful window to a time and place and community. They reveal the customs, beliefs, biases, inter-relationships and institutions of the area. It is like going to a place and visiting it when you go through a scrapbook. Scrapbooks are the BEST. Have fun, Joyce M. Tice